Who can devise a "Liverpool Tart"?

[Gerry Jones]

In G.H.Lee's coffee shop, they sell "MANCHESTER Tarts" -in Liverpool!
and very nice they are,too. Pastry shallow cup with banana slices in red jam first, filled up with a kind of custard, and sprinkled with chopped nuts.

But, come on, scousers! Especially with Liverpool '08 coming it, there must be somebody clever in the pastry-cook department who can come up with a "Liverpool Tart" . What would it be like, full of flavour, quite sweet, no messing about, maybe a bit sharp!

Come on, folks, we can't leave Manchester out in front in the tart department!

Gerry (Lyver Bird) Jones.

[lindylou]

A great idea. I'll have to get my thinking cap on ! :unibrow:

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi all

A Liverpool tart would have to have raspberries or strawberries on one side for LFC and bilberries (blueberries) on the other side for EFC! :celb (23):

Chris

[shytalk]

Would need a black armband around it after the last two games. :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

[bobbymac]

I always thought that we had lots of 'Tarts':celb (23):

[ChrisGeorge]

I always thought that we had lots of 'Tarts':celb (23):

Here's an old dirty joke that I remember from my school days in Liverpool:

What is long and thin, covered in skin, and used in tarts?
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Rhubarb! :celb (23):

[bobbymac]

Hey C.G. I think that one was required reading.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

[Emmanuel Goldstein]

Great Joke Chris:handclap:

Liverpool Tart eh! will get my thinking cap on also - I should be able to come up with something worth a taste - seeing that im a Chef - *Gets thinking cap out of draw, pats dust of it and dons cap*

[Gnomie]

we could call it Maggie May

[lindylou]

Hi all

A Liverpool tart would have to have raspberries or strawberries on one side for LFC and bilberries (blueberries) on the other side for EFC! :celb (23):

Chris

brilliant idea Chris. :celb (23):

Perhaps the idea of a Liverpool tart should be suggested to Sayers. :)

[Gerry Jones]

brilliant idea Chris. :celb (23):

Perhaps the idea of a Liverpool tart should be suggested to Sayers. :)

Sorry, Gang; I should have checked with Google first.
"Liverpool Tart" recipe gives just one result; the rest refer to the Liverpool Tarts that most of you seem to be thinking about.
The two-colour idea is good - maybe with s strip of black liquorice across the middle,
and Yes, SAYERS would be just the people who Should be involved.
I will approach them.

Gerry.
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From a family cookbook dating back to the 1790s

Liverpool Tart
½lb moist sugar
2oz butter
1 egg
1 lemon
pastry

Put the butter and sugar into a moderate oven to melt. When melted, let it cool. Boil your lemon whole very slowly (or it will break) until quite soft. Mince it whole as it is, saving the juice as much as possible and taking out the pips. Mince very fine. Beat the egg well. Mix all well together. Line a flat open tart dish with good paste [ie pastry] and pour in the mixture to one uniform thickness (about ½ an inch), cross bar over and bake. Serve hot or cold.

[john]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9al8avuY1Y

You do mean this kind? :)

[victorialush]

Who can devise a "Liverpool Tart"?

1 Bottle blonde seriously ironed hairdo
17 sessions on sunbed, colour until resembles a Bootle sunset
1 Primani mini skirt
1 New Look vest top
1 pair of boots from Solitaire
3 Elizabeth Duke gold chains (Various lengths)
2 Sovereigns (One on each hand)
1 pack of Wrigleys spearmint gum
10 bottles of watermelon Bacardi Breezer
10 Berkely menthols (Superkings would suffice)




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[Max]

:unibrow: Indeed.

I dunno why but I seem to fancy blondes most of the time.:shock: :eek: :neutral:

[Gerry Jones]

we could call it Maggie May

A friend suggested the other day that the "Liverpool Tart" should be called a "Liverpool Judy", and I am rather taken with this idea, as this use of the name "Judy" is unique to Liverpool, and it would also avoid this confusion that seems to infest so many minds over the word "tart". :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

For locals, it has echoes of the term Liverpool Judies mentioned in some Liverpool shanties, and it would make the item sound like one of those regional specialities with odd by memorable names, like "a Selkirk Bannock", a "Yorkshire Parkin" or a "Wet Nelly."

No word from Sayers yet, but the Echo printed my letter.
Gerry.

[victorialush]

A friend suggested the other day that the "Liverpool Tart" should be called a "Liverpool Judy", and I am rather taken with this idea, as this use of the name "Judy" is unique to Liverpool, and it would also avoid this confusion that seems to infest so many minds over the word "tart". :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

For locals, it has echoes of the term Liverpool Judies mentioned in some Liverpool shanties, and it would make the item sound like one of those regional specialities with odd by memorable names, like "a Selkirk Bannock", a "Yorkshire Parkin" or a "Wet Nelly."

No word from Sayers yet, but the Echo printed my letter.
Gerry.

Aaawww I like that too, that is a term my Dad used... A Judy would refer to a girlfriend.

"Are you taking your Judy to the cinema this evening?" :)

[ChrisGeorge]

Aaawww I like that too, that is a term my Dad used... A Judy would refer to a girlfriend.

"Are you taking your Judy to the cinema this evening?" :)

I could live with Liverpool Judy. :celb (23):

Chris

[Gerry Jones]

Aaawww I like that too, that is a term my Dad used... A Judy would refer to a girlfriend.

"Are you taking your Judy to the cinema this evening?" :)

More thoughts from focus groups (a.k.a. groups of mates);
Large preference for "Liverpool Judy" rather than Liverpool Tart, (gets rid of all the "jokes"), and may become established officially as "Liverpool Judies" but referred to locally as "Judy cakes" which is rather nice too.

Sources for possible devisers to include Sayers and the cookery college in Colquitt Street.
Others took the "reds vs blues" theme and mentioned the principle of the Battenberg cake, with its clear lines. My reaction was mostly against this, as I feel a Tart should be round (curvaceous?) and should not be a Cake, but the idea of clearly marked sections is appealing.
I wonder if it would be possible to stamp a "Liver Bird" shape into the top?
... or have a round "saucer" sized individual tart with four sections made by a cross through the middle. Maybe a Liver Bird would be easier to incorporate into a "family"-size version. Must ask Sayers.

While you're all thinking ...
... can you come up with any other "local delicacies" which do NOT mention -cake, -bun etc, like Bakewell or Chelsea, but something like "Sally Lunn" which does not tell you it is a kind of bun/bread in its name, or maybe "Yorkshire Parkin." Is there a edible thing called a "Brown Betty"?

Any ideas out there?
Gerry.
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[lindylou]

You mean like a 'Wet Nellie? ' lol !!

re food with a L'pool theme; I remember well in the 1960s when Ken Dodd's Diddy men were at the height of their popularity, our local chip shop used to sell small size fish called 'Diddy Fish' - we used to ask for ''Diddy Fish & chips please and plenty of salt & vinegar '' :celb (23):

[theninesisters]

IN John Lewis' coffee shop, they sell Manchester tarts.

Very nice they are, too - a pastry shallow cup with banana slices in red jam first, filled up with a kind of custard, and sprinkled with chopped nuts.

But, especially with Liverpool '08 coming, there must be somebody clever who can come up with a Liverpool tart. What would it be like? Full of flavour, quite sweet, maybe a bit sharp!

Come on, folks, we can't leave Manchester out in front in the tart department!

Gerry Jones, Broad Green

(www.icliverpool.co.uk)

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[Gerry Jones]

Aaawww I like that too, that is a term my Dad used... A Judy would refer to a girlfriend.

"Are you taking your Judy to the cinema this evening?" :)


A couple more thoughts while we wait for Emmanuel to get his chef's thinking hat on;

1. I have tried the 1970's recipe roughly as written, and it is a pleasant lemon jammy tart, but nothing which is going to catch the imagination and become a renowned local delicacy. More ideas needed! Please !
2. Liverpool Judy is getting a mixed reaction ; love it - can't stand it - don't know what you mean. Tate & Lyle Sugar.
3. I am also trying to think of some items which are truly local and typical, but "Everton" mints will not please the other half.
4... but is does suggest another name for a certain awkward but very scouse young lady - "Tilly Mint" ! :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16: I think this, though, would have to be the name for a sweet rather than a confection. Good name, though.
5. any thoughts about something involving minte & chocolate? But would a green top be very off-putting, even with chocolate all over it?

Comments, please.

Gerry.

[victorialush]

Tilly Mint is cute... my Mum & Dad used to call me this...

The mint theme reminds me of a school pudding we used to have... chocolate cake with mint custard... flippin lovely it was :D

[Gerry Jones]

Tilly Mint is cute... my Mum & Dad used to call me this...

The mint theme reminds me of a school pudding we used to have... chocolate cake with mint custard... flippin lovely it was :D

Thanks to Victoria for getting into the spirit of the thing.
WHat colour was the "mint" custard? Not Green, I hope? I would imagine a green colour would be off-putting for most foods.
At present I am going ahead with the Original Recipe and seeing where it leads.
Please visit www.gerryjones.me.uk and click on "Liverpool Tart/Judy" to see pictures of how things are looking so far.

[victorialush]

Thanks to Victoria for getting into the spirit of the thing.
WHat colour was the "mint" custard? Not Green, I hope? I would imagine a green colour would be off-putting for most foods.
At present I am going ahead with the Original Recipe and seeing where it leads.
Please visit www.gerryjones.me.uk and click on "Liverpool Tart/Judy" to see pictures of how things are looking so far.

The custard was white :D

I will defo check out your site though, thanks Gerry :D

[Gerry Jones]

I could live with Liverpool Judy. :celb (23):

Chris
More progress on the Liverpool Tart or Liverpool Judy. I'm up to Batch Five now in trying to make most sense of the "original" recipe, and it is shaping up nicely.
It really now needs some more people to try the recipe, and come back with reports and comments. Please visit www.gerryjones.me.uk and click on Liverpool Judy/Tart for the recipe etc. Gas mark 5 for 20 mins in middle oven, no hotter and no longer. Then a white icing Liver Bird on top.

The dark muscovado sugar gives is a slightly "toffee" taste, while the lemon taste comes through as a surprise, the lemon bits give the filling a bit of texture, and the icing Bird makes it look a treat. Do try enlarging the "solo" image.

[victorialush]

Oh Gerry, they look great... I could just eat that now with a cuppa... will have a go at baking them soon :)

[Gerry Jones]

Oh Gerry, they look great... I could just eat that now with a cuppa... will have a go at baking them soon :)
I hope that Victoria - and many others - will have a go at baking them. The only ones I've tasted are the ones I've made.
... and please do give me some feed-back and comments, either way. If what I have written doesn't make sense then I need to know before I "go public."

[Gerry Jones]

please do give me some feed-back ....before I "go public."

News from the cake counters !
(Nothing from Sayers yet. Pity.)

Waterfields of Leigh , Woolton shop, will be having a tasting session on Friday 9th March (tomorrow as I write), with the full permission of head office.

John Lewis CoffeeShop Liverpool were already thinking about a Liverpool Tart, having seen my original letter in the Echo in January! So I'll be taking another batch down to them the following Friday, 16th March.

Just as interesting in another direction...
I have had emails from a gent in Evershot village in Dorset, from a gent who owns the hand-written rfecipe book from one of his ancestors, the book which contains the "original " recipe for our Liverpool Tart - the very recipe I am working from.

Fingers crossed, everyone.
Gerry.

[Gerry Jones]

[QUOTE=Gerry Jones;44000]News from the cake counters !
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Waterfields of Leigh , Woolton shop, will be having a tasting session on Friday 9th March (tomorrow as I write), with the full permission of head office.

John Lewis CoffeeShop Liverpool were already thinking about a Liverpool Tart, having seen my original letter in the Echo in January! So I'll be taking another batch down to them the following Friday, 16th March.

[QUOTE]

These two companies have been very helpful and co-operative, agreeing to meet me and to have a tasting session, and the results have gone right to the top in each case. The main comment, however, was that they did not see the Liverpool Tart as I have it so far, being an item that would Sell. It needs more "eye-appeal", maybe more height or something. SO I have tried a few ideas using icing; see pictures below.
For more details of where things stand now, please visit my JudyTart page; http://www.gerryjones.talktalk.net/judytart.html
Anyone else tried making it yet?

[Gerry Jones]

Good news, everyone,
David Charters in the Daily Post of Sat 21st April 07 gave A full-page spread about the Liverpool Tart idea and my recipe, along with a large photo. So if that does not kick-start things, then nothing will.
It should be available soon on the icliverpool site, or you can contact me for the text etc.

More news; I have found a very clever man who has made me a couple of Liver Bird icing-cutters so that I can now make tarts with very professional-looking Liver Birds on them. His name is Dyck Willis, of Bristol, trading as KIT BOX items for cake decorators. www.kitbox4sugarcraft.co.uk/ -
See below for thumnbnails of the cutters, and the first batch of tarts made using them.

Best news; one major supermarket is poised to make Liverpool Tarts as a "special item" for 2008 in some Liverpool branches! so WATCH THIS SPACE!

[Lady]

Wow Gerry,

They look dead yummy :handclap: :handclap:

That was very kind of Dyck willis,was'nt it, :PDT11

The quicker i can have a taste,the better........Lol

Jacky :)

[MissDemenour]

I came up with a recipie.

For Pastry

4oz of plain flour
6oz of butter
2tsp of water to bind

rub the flour and butter together between your fingers until it resembles crumbs. Add 1tsp of water and mix well until breadcrumbs begin to bind, add second tsp of water if needed. Nead the pastry and roll into a large ball. Place on floured work surface and roll out into a large circle.

Place rolled out crust into a large pastry tin. Cut out a large circle of greaseproof paper (larger than the pastry base) and fill with baking beans/plain flour/rice/dried chickpeas.

Blind bake for 10 minutes at gas mark 4, until cooked all over but not browned.

For Filling

One tin of cherry pie filling
One tin of blackcurrent or Blackberry pie filling
3oz Brown/Demerara sugar

Mix together pie fillings in a bowl and strain off half the juice. The filling should look purple. Sprinkle sugar over the top of the pie. Re-roll remaining pastry and cut into strips.

Arrange strips over top of pie. Bake in gas mark 4 over for 10-20 minutes. When cooked pastry on top will be golden brown and the filling should be thickened.

I made this pie purple like the liverpool wheelie bins, which we all know are purple because they mixed the two teams colours together so as to not show favouritism.


Will get a picture of the pie to you as soon as I have my digi cam back.

[lindylou]

That sounds good. :) I'd love to see the end results :)

[Gerry Jones]

I came up with a recipie.
Will get a picture of the pie to you as soon as I have my digi cam back.
At last, another recipe. Thank you so much, Miss D. I like the idea of purple, with it being the City colour and does not alienate half the population.
So it is a fruit pie, really. Excellent thinking. And not full of sugar as is the original. That really will appeal to a good number of people.

Also, the Liver Bird cutters from Dyck Willis are sparking interest. One cake-makers supplier has ordered one or two, and one five-inches tall cutter! Maybe she thinks some football team is going to win a match!
And a well-repected cake-making shop in Smithdown is showing genuine interest, especially in the cutters.

Gerry.

[MariaC]

Recipe for Scouse:-

Half a pan, half a pan, half a pan onwards.

Into the pan of Scouse rolled the six onions.

Stormed at with carrots n' spuds,

Onward they went, 'twas good.

Into the pan of Scouse rolled the six onions.

Meat to the right of them, gravy to the left of them.

Salt 'n pepper in front of them, onward they blundered.

,,,,,,,, into the pan of Scouse rolled the six onions.


Roger McGough will shudder if her reads this and the mis -quotes. he he he.

[Gerry Jones]

And a well-respected cake-making shop in Smithdown is showing genuine interest, especially in the cutters.

Gerry.

Make your way to DAFNA'S CHEESCAKE FACTORY in Smithdown Road, by Greenbank and Ullet roads, opposite the Brook House pub, and you can actually BUY some Liverpool Tarts, small size and plain, to the basic recipe I gave them. Just 35p, and you will be in at the start of something Big.

Stand by for news of a small family chain of bakers in Crosby who may well be next up.
Followed in 2008 by a major supermarket who will be selling in two Liverpool stores from March 2008.

[munchkim]

Well done Gerry
I am glad to hear that some local bakeries will be selling your Liverpool Tart.
I am sure they can produce a better product than the Supermarkets. Will call into Dafnas soon.

Munchkim

[chippie]

congrats Gerry I hope it all goes big time for you. I,ll be coming up especially to buy some tarts and maybe get a photo taken eating one. Now that would be a smashing meet up all eating your tarts.:rolleyes:

[lindylou]

I hope it does take off Gerry. I have been telling everyone about them.

[Gerry Jones]

Thanks to Lindylou, Munchkim and Chippie.
Dafna's are planning to do Yorkshire Pud size as well now, with the larger bird cutter.
Do have a look at the page - last updated Mon 21st May 07
http://www.gerryjones.talktalk.net/judytart.html
where I have added some more pictures, and put some more detail into the recipe.
Time for a couple more pictures here (the thumbnails will enlarge quite well),
of my latest efforts and what might work or not in terms of colour and decor.
I'm not a football fan, so I don't really think red birds look that Saleable, although they might fly off the shelves on Wednesday Night.
What do you think of the "Mersey Waves" idea? Did you recognise it as such?
Thanks for all the encouragement.

[Gerry Jones]

I am glad to hear that some local bakeries will be selling your Liverpool Tart.
I am sure they can produce a better product than the Supermarkets. Will call into Dafnas soon. Munchkim

Some more good news, if you live Crosby way; SATTERTHWAITES are now trialling the Liverpool Tart in all their branches, to get some customer feedback.
The word is getting round. Please support these two bakeries.
Has anyone made the tart for themselves yet?

[Gerry Jones]

The Liverpool Tart is slowly becoming known.

DAFNA's CHEESECAKE FACTORY in Smithdown Rd./ Greenbank is selling larger ones steadily at ?1 each - until they have to make mince pies, so get in quick.
SATTERTHWAITES of Crosby havae also been selling their smaller size "Tart with a heart" Liverpool Tarts (again exepct during the mince pie season)

LIVERPOOL.COM online magazine has a page about me & my tart on page 51 (on line) and page 49 on the printed version (try Echo office reception)

Nice to meet you, Munchkim!
Keep spreading the word, folks!
Gerry Jones.

[naked lilac]

Congradulations.. You've taken that first long step.. Now, you're Liverpool Judies are on there way , just in time for the Holidays..

Keep up the good work..Don't let someone else snag it.. Keep working at it in your kitchen.. :handclap:

You remind me of how Famous Amos, the chocolate cookie maker, started out.. He would go around the parks here in Hawaii.. and give out free cookies to try.. and eventually came world known.. A large company bought his cookies, and helped launch Famous Amos.. Met the man in Maui, Hawaii.. very inspirational.. Go with YOUR idea.. keep going...

[Klaatu]

Wow!...Gerry congratulations mate. looks like all of the hard work you're putting into this great idea is paying off....I'll be buying some of those.:handclap:

[LondonBeatlesFan]

I shall certainly look out for these Liverpool Tarts next time I visit. I always like to try local things when I visit different places. I wish you the best of luck with it, Gerry!

[Gerry Jones]

I shall certainly look out for these Liverpool Tarts next time I visit. I always like to try local things when I visit different places. I wish you the best of luck with it, Gerry!

There is some very important good news for all Liverpool Tart lovers.
DAFNA'S in Smithdown Rd are selling it very steadily, for ?1. , and apart from a Christmas break to make mince pies, they are business in 2009
SATTERTHWAITES are still selling their Liverpool Tart with a Heart in all five branches in Crosby, a smaller size at about 45p.
BARBARA of NESTON is now selling the small size for 40p at some Farmers Markets ( Neston, New Ferry and Aigburth/Lark Lane.) using a White Star emblem, thinking of the Cunard Line & Titanic, and the Sailor's Star; ..."all I ask is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by..."
MISS CHOCOLATY O'CLAIRE'S tea-room - upstairs at 80 Bold St - is seriously thinking of selling them, - with a Lambanana design.
So with a bit of luck there will be FOUR outlets for LondonBeatlesFan (and others?) to sample the full range.
Also, I am hearing tales of people baking it themselves when they are holidng "Scouse Nights", for which it provides the ideal dessert/pud. (NB: I must try it with CREAM some time.) If you want to have your own "silhouette" template for making your own batch, then you can order them from ALAN ROBERTS (Englravers) 39a Knight St Lpool 1, off Berry St. The setup costs (Liver Bird and Lambanana) are paid for, so he will be asking ?10 per item.

[Paddy]

Well I will deffo be buying one on my next visit.

[Samp]

In G.H.Lee's coffee shop, they sell "MANCHESTER Tarts" -in Liverpool!
and very nice they are,too. Pastry shallow cup with banana slices in red jam first, filled up with a kind of custard, and sprinkled with chopped nuts.

But, come on, scousers! Especially with Liverpool '08 coming it, there must be somebody clever in the pastry-cook department who can come up with a "Liverpool Tart" . What would it be like, full of flavour, quite sweet, no messing about, maybe a bit sharp!

Come on, folks, we can't leave Manchester out in front in the tart department!

Gerry (Lyver Bird) Jones.

LIverpool tart?

[brian daley]

Am I missing something here? I went out with one or two Liverpool Tarts but I would'nt want to write about it.
BrianD

[Gerry Jones]

Am I missing something here? I went out with one or two Liverpool Tarts but I would'nt want to write about it.
BrianD

Scroll up a few posts, Brian, and see my latest news. Then try some EDIBLE Liverpool Tarts and give your taste buds a treat. Try liverpool tart recipe in Google and get the facts.

In general it is a bit annoying that when you say "Manchester Tart" everyone says, "Oh, yes very tasty, delicious"; but when you say "Liverpool Tart" everyone says "Hur! Hur! Hur!"

[brian daley]

Those Liverpool tarts do sound delicious and when I am next up home I shall certainly look out for them. There are some cakes from my childhood that I wish I could taste again,Blackledges blackcurrant tarts, Sayers cream horns and Hales of Garstons wet nellies. Oh but for a moment back in time and to relive those childhood tastes!

[Gerry Jones]

Those Liverpool tarts do sound delicious and when I am next up home I shall certainly look out for them.

Anyone who would like to taste a Liverpool Tart, please put this in your Diary; Thursday 23rd April 11.00 - 3.00 (or earlier if I run out) in the FACT art-centre/cinema in Wood Street. Ropewalks. In GALLERY ONE. Or even if you just happen to be in their cafe, I just might get in there with a few samples. Some pictures below to give you an idea what it looked like.
You don't get to taste one until you take a recipe/information sheet with you. Come on, gang; taste the taste and spread the word.

[Klaatu]

I'll try and get there Gerry, I only live around the corner...Please post a reminder nearer the time mate.:PDT11

[teepee]

I always thought that we had lots of 'Tarts':celb (23):
no matter what thay would be the best lookin tarts in the world:hug:

[wsteve55]

no matter what thay would be the best lookin tarts in the world:hug:

That's an old post! BobbyMac is sadly no longer with us:sad: