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great pic philip
is that behind asda on smithdown road? or am i completely wrong? :neutral:

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I was born there.

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brilliant pics philip

Here's a nice panorama shot (that I wish I had taken!) from a 1983 postcard. (photograph by Peter Hagerty, copyright Light Impressions, Liverpool)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/144/345839954_ccfdc12e7d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nancyo23/345839954/)

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Great photo Phillip, I have one similar. It mightn't mean much to many, but having grown up just around in Gerard Gardens, the fountain area was my playground. Tick on the giant steps (of the Wellington Column), going up Mill Lane at the side of the Walker Art Gallery to look down at the 'giants grave' - another old folklore. Traipsing around the Museum and Walker many weekends...

There were 3 pubs there. The County (Peppers), The Court House and The Hare & Hounds. The Burtons building on the corner of London road became the John Lennon bar in the early 90s. The rest of the block was delapidated by then which had been a jewellers, pipe shop, book shop etc in their time.

Keep em coming Phillip. Love your tram ride to Dingle book by the way.

July 1984.

All these buildings have been demolished and replaced with Commutation Plaza (2002).
What a fantastic pic. Thanks. When I lived in Hughes St, we used to walk down there to play.

Childwall C of E Primary School (my Primary School) on Woolton Road.

Demolished before my eyes in 1989 - an utter crime.

More info can be found at my website:

http://www.childwall.moonfruit.com/childwalltour3

The Transport boxing club used to be just around the Islington corner aswell. Was the bookshop the last thing to close??
The Giants grave! Used to love going to see that. Is it an air raid shelter?
That pic of the Albert dock with the demolished buildings in the foreground and the transit sheds behind is boss.

The Transport boxing club used to be just around the Islington corner aswell. Was the bookshop the last thing to close??
The Giants grave! Used to love going to see that. Is it an air raid shelter?
That pic of the Albert dock with the demolished buildings in the foreground and the transit sheds behind is boss.

The bookshop was about the last shop, but didn't Pepper's continue more-or-less to the end?
The Transport Boxing Club is on another photo I've got.
I'll post it later.

Nice one mate, trained there in the late 80s for a bit.
Think you are right about peppers because I remember people coming out of stay behinds when I was walking out of town for a cab on a Saturday.

July 1984.

All these buildings have been demolished and replaced with Commutation Plaza (2002).

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/346483050_fee486ed5e_o.jpg


Oh good, another mystery solved - I just found a photo of this street and was wondering where it was. This photo is from the early 90s, I think.

I bought my wife's wedding ring from Maurice Abelsons & Sons the jewellers. On the first picture you can see the round white turret of Hymans on the corner of Camden Street.

Oh good, another mystery solved - I just found a photo of this street and was wondering where it was. This photo is from the early 90s, I think.

Lovely photo.
Thanks Nancy.
Have you any more mysteries?
Pretty please!

ha ha you love a good mystery Philip!:)

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Does anyone have any pictures of the facade of the old Fruit n Veg warehouse on the corner of Wavertree Road/Tunnel Road that disappeared one weekend without any say so from the Council?

PhillipG - You're a star. Did you photograph the whole of Liverpool by any chance? Those Islington pics are great, as I said earlier, so nonentity to many, but brill to us who lived around the corner and walked past them nearly every day. You'll notice that Hymans seems to be a different business on every pic, glad I didn't work for any of them.

The little sweet shop next to Transport House boxing club was known as 'Barney's', owned in the 70s by Joan and Peter someone or other. I can picture them now. He owned a brown Cortina MKIII with black vinyl roof and alloys and he used to let me and my cousin wash it and we'd help them stock the tiny little stockroom around the back. Back Commutation Row still exists.

I remember diving in the chest freezer for choc ices, Zooms and Twicers in that summer of 76 and Top Deck shandy was all the go too after a game of footy by the fountain.

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Can see the character within these old buildings which sadly lack in the new 'improved' buildings of today. That usually get left emptied after a while.

Progress :rolleyes:

Lovely photo.
Thanks Nancy.
Have you any more mysteries?
Pretty please!

Alright. There's no mystery that this was the Kemlyn Road entrance at Anfield, but I need a date. Any idea when tickets to this stand were 8 pounds? The car parked in the front should also give a clue. My friend John took this photo but nothing is written on the back, and it got separated from it's original envelope years ago.

Love the broken glass long the top of the wall, it really says welcome!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/349119294_308b60ee63.jpg
(www.flickr.com/photos/nancyo23/349119294/)

^^1989?^^

Alright. There's no mystery that this was the Kemlyn Road entrance at Anfield, but I need a date. Any idea when tickets to this stand were 8 pounds? The car parked in the front should also give a clue. My friend John took this photo but nothing is written on the back, and it got separated from it's original envelope years ago.

Love the broken glass long the top of the wall, it really says welcome!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/349119294_308b60ee63.jpg
(www.flickr.com/photos/nancyo23/349119294/)

The centenary stand was completed in 1992 and the Kop demolished in 1994, so it was some time between the two. A quick check of some old programmes has shopwn that admission to the Kop was £8 in both the 1992-3 and 1993-4 seasons.

Actually, it's the Kop, right? I'm looking at the other picture I posted, and that would make sense. Does it still look anything like this?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/349119296_82d2999e12.jpg (www.flickr.com/photos/nancyo23/349119296/)

Actually, it's the Kop, right? I'm looking at the other picture I posted, and that would make sense. Does it still look anything like this?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/349119296_82d2999e12.jpg (www.flickr.com/photos/nancyo23/349119296/)


Yes it's the Kop but the whole thing has been demolished now and rebuilt. The stands to either side are still in existence.

The centenary stand was completed in 1992 and the Kop demolished in 1994, so it was some time between the two. A quick check of some old programmes has shopwn that admission to the Kop was £8 in both the 1992-3 and 1993-4 seasons.


Thanks SteH for the detective work, I think '93 sounds about right. So ticket prices have only gone up about 400% since then, right? :rolleyes:

Right, but despite that there's no chance of walking up and paying on the day unlike then.

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Right, but despite that there's no chance of walking up and paying on the day unlike then.

This is a problem, as I'm planning a trip for later in the year, and wanted to take my husband to a match, but from looking at the LFC website it seems pretty much impossible for outsiders to get tickets(unless I want to pay a ticket tout). Might have to just settle for the Anfield tour. :sad:

But not to get completely off-topic - Philip, in that picture of Seacombe, what's the building to the right? I've got a similar photo in my collection of that same structure.

Interesting pic Phil. Thanks. I took one from almost the same spot years later. I think it's the exit from the East Float. Amazing how the Liverpool waterfront has changed.

Nancy, I'm not sure what the building is. It may have been part of a hydraulic tower originally, but it's just a guess.
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/quays.jpg

[QUOTE=nancy o.;32460 Philip, in that picture of Seacombe, what's the building to the right? I've got a similar photo in my collection of that same structure.[/QUOTE]

The 1909 OS map describes it as an "Accumulator Tower".
Perhaps someone else knows what such a building was.

Here's another photo from the same day, with slightly less activity than your photo, Dave. :)

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Cracking pics Phil. I think the car park to the right of the tunnel is for Magistrates only. My oul fella was a JP for about 15 years and used to park there.
Thanks:PDT_Piratz_26:

@Phil, cheers for the pic. Bring back some memories......

Sefton General Hospital.
April 1986.
Since demolished.

Why not start a new thread with the place where so many Scousers started?

For the history, here's a link to toxteth.net
http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/institutions/hospitals/sefton%20general%20hospital.htm

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/345370233_8fbfa4bcb6_o.jpg

Hey thanks for posting this picture. This is where I was born in 1970 and I often wondered what it looked like. Thanks v much.

Does anyone know where I can find pictures of the old St Patricks boys school on Hyslop street, behind Park Place?

I can't find any anywhere.

Thanks in Advance.

Hey thanks for posting this picture. This is where I was born in 1970 and I often wondered what it looked like. Thanks v much.

Does anyone know where I can find pictures of the old St Patricks boys school on Hyslop street, behind Park Place?

I can't find any anywhere.

Thanks in Advance.

St Patrick's School is on Park Place, with the rear of it in Hyslop Street.
Is that the one you mean?
It's still there.

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brilliant pic philip

no idea what the film was though...be interesting to find out

Adelaide Place as the back of Gt Homer street facing Dryden Street. The next one is of Dryden street which is now flattened as part of project Jennifer. Tysons were residents here for many years. Moss street at the corner of Islington with Aspinalls floor coverings who seem to have been there forever and a waterfront devoid of all the skyscrapers going up now.

7 September 1986.
Garston Baths and Public Laundry opened 22 August 1907.
The Assembly Hall was showing films by 1909, and was probably the first place in Garston to show films.
In 1979 the former wash-house was converted into a recreation hall.
I don't know when the baths finally closed or when the complex was finally demolished.
Some remnants of the walls still survive.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/362032238_cb32af27af_o.jpgwasted a good few hours of my life sitting on that wall, and spent most of my summers in the baths, great days. Weren't the baths known as the "bloodbaths" in the 50's?

St Patrick's School is on Park Place, with the rear of it in Hyslop Street.
Is that the one you mean?
It's still there.

Thanks for the reply but no it isn't. There was two boys schools. One had its entrance on Hyslop street. I know the building you mean, the one with St Patricks Social club is still there but the old boys schools was knocked down a few years ago and has been replaced by housing. It was a 3 story brick building that looked like a warehouse ha ha.

Thanks for the reply but no it isn't. There was two boys schools. One had its entrance on Hyslop street. I know the building you mean, the one with St Patricks Social club is still there but the old boys schools was knocked down a few years ago and has been replaced by housing. It was a 3 story brick building that looked like a warehouse ha ha.

In answer to your original question:
It's always worth while going to the Record Office at Central Library, and asking them if they have any photos of Hyslop Street.
Take ID as you'll need to get a ticket to go into the Search Room.

Adelaide Place as the back of Gt Homer street facing Dryden Street. The next one is of Dryden street which is now flattened as part of project Jennifer. Tysons were residents here for many years. Moss street at the corner of Islington with Aspinalls floor coverings who seem to have been there forever and a waterfront devoid of all the skyscrapers going up now.

on your 4th pic, the place looks so empty

Some demolition taking place in Liverpool 3.

The old D.Evans/Tapley premises which later incorporated the Dart public house as student accommodation is biting the dust on Fontennoy st for another high rise. There's one going up on the opposite corner too where the Australian pub used to be and they're turning the old St. Johns church sunday school hal into apartments too and calling them St. Patricks apartments.

The other shots are of the 1950s three high units being demolished on Juvenal Street. There's many more of these blocks to come down on Grosvenor street for new housing, most of which though will be private, so again, the local residents who have no hope of buying are moved on.

Some demolition taking place in Liverpool 3.

The old D.Evans/Tapley premises which later incorporated the Dart public house as student accommodation is biting the dust on Fontennoy st for another high rise. There's one going up on the opposite corner too where the Australian pub used to be and they're turning the old St. Johns church sunday school hal into apartments too and calling them St. Patricks apartments.

The other shots are of the 1950s three high units being demolished on Juvenal Street. There's many more of these blocks to come down on Grosvenor street for new housing, most of which though will be private, so again, the local residents who have no hope of buying are moved on.


Great photos, Ged.
Already historical.

It's mind-boggling to think that L3 goes all the way to the Herculaneum!
To what was once Dingle Bank.

I didn't know that Phil. I thought L1 or 2 would have muscled in somewhere between L3 and L8 - I didn't imagine Parliament st or the South dock road being L3 still.

I didn't know that Phil. I thought L1 or 2 would have muscled in somewhere between L3 and L8 - I didn't imagine Parliament st or the South dock road being L3 still.

It's all the South Docks, Ged.
I'm pretty certain I'm right, but I'm going to take a walk down there now, and see if I can snap an L3 street sign with the casements (or are they casemates?).

Yes, it is L3.
I've put 2 photos in the "Dingle Steps" thread.

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Superb photos mate. Thanks for sharing.

Great photies Phil. They really should have tried to do something with those old Dingle Hill houses - it's a travesty.

Great photies Phil. They really should have tried to do something with those old Dingle Hill houses - it's a travesty.

I did try, Ged.
I was in touch with English Heritage and told them that 2 of the 4 semi-detached villas were Listed, which accounted for 4 different addresses.
I tried to reason that all 4 of the blocks should be Listed, being before the 1840s and being the oldest houses between Town & St Michaels.
They sent somebody out to photo them, but in the end they said they were too far gone.
The usual excuse!

Look on the bright side. At least they are starting work on the Florry:034:

March 1994.

Sayers continued trading when everything around was being demolished.
It too, has now gone.
A Lidl supermarket is now on this block, which included an old cinema, part of which is visible at the left.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/425054912_f77f5f3a80_o.jpg

The cinema would have been the Eros adult cinema

Look on the bright side. At least they are starting work on the Florry:034:

True, but are they just clearing the rubbish from the interior?
It's been possible to see the bright side (the sky) from the inside for too long.
I'm only going to start rejoicing after the new roof is up, but I don't know if this is part of the current work.

I used to go to that Sayers with my mum when I was a kid-memories! I don't suppose you have a shot of the bed showroom on the other side of the road when it was a Fine Fare supermarket by any chance? :)

Those old houses on Park Road-was one of them the offices of Lacy Roofing? They were based around there before moving out.

Dave.

I used to go to that Sayers with my mum when I was a kid-memories! I don't suppose you have a shot of the bed showroom on the other side of the road when it was a Fine Fare supermarket by any chance? :)

Those old houses on Park Road-was one of them the offices of Lacy Roofing? They were based around there before moving out.

Dave.


I've no photos of Fine Fare.
Not sure, though, which building you mean.

Lacy Roofing was the last occupant of those houses in Park Road, apart from Porter's, who's building wasn't as old, and the house next to Porter's which seemed to have just one flat occupied near the end.

Probably the 1930s Co-op building. I think there's a pic of that on the art deco thread.

Liverpool in the 80's was suffering the effects of socialism. Look at the pictures for evidence of a great Capitalist city brought to its knees by socialism.

Looks like a cake shop to me,Did nice Tomato soup as well in there.

Thank God the old Liverpool is going and with it old fashioned attitudes.

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Charles Wooton Centre:
This PDF file would indicate Luxury Apartments...4* refurbishments and 32* new build.
£134,000 to £185,000 each.
http://www.henryford.co.uk/download/Upper%20Parliament%20Square.pdf

Liverpool in the 80's was suffering the effects of socialism. Look at the pictures for evidence of a great Capitalist city brought to its knees by socialism.

What?
Liverpool in the 80s was suffering the effects of the Conservative Government and the lack of investment into the city, over 3 million people where unemployed.
Suburban "if you know your history then you will know where you are coming from".

The old photee is smashing Phil :PDT_Piratz_26:

The old photee is smashing Phil :PDT_Piratz_26:

Thanks, Kev.

In the 1980s Upper Parly always made me think of the after effects of WW3.
I'll dig out more photos.

Thanks, Kev.

In the 1980s Upper Parly always made me think of the after effects of WW3.
I'll dig out more photos.

WW3?

WW3?

Yes, WW3.
You know, like the photos of Hiroshima, where everything in sight has been obliterated.

My mate Mike Murphy (that's easy for me to say) has just furnished me with 124 images, many for my tenements website which has just been updated.

However, three really crackin' ones here.

My mate Mike Murphy (that's easy for me to say) has just furnished me with 124 images, many for my tenements website which has just been updated.

However, three really crackin' ones here.

Great to see. Thanks, Ged.

Chris

Thanks Ged, they are excellent :)

I've no photos of Fine Fare.
Not sure, though, which building you mean.

Lacy Roofing was the last occupant of those houses in Park Road, apart from Porter's, who's building wasn't as old, and the house next to Porter's which seemed to have just one flat occupied near the end.

It's the fancy one next door to the chemists,north side of London Rd between Audley and Gildart Streets,with a recent new block of flats just gone up on the other side of it.

Dave.

It's the fancy one next door to the chemists,north side of London Rd between Audley and Gildart Streets,with a recent new block of flats just gone up on the other side of it.

Dave.

That's the Co-op building.
I didn't know Fine Fare had been there.

There's photos in the "Art Deco" thread.

My mate Mike Murphy (that's easy for me to say) has just furnished me with 124 images, many for my tenements website which has just been updated.

However, three really crackin' ones here.

Only just noticed these Ged..Excellent...Well done Mike Murphy :handclap:

This is Shaw Street in 1990 just South of the Collegiate where Staples office store is now.

This is Shaw Street in 1990 just South of the Collegiate where Staples office store is now.

I like that, Ged.
I took one from the other end of the block.
That property over the road is still standing (just about!).

Similar to these Phil?

And here's Moss st, the bombdies at the continuation of the first of the 3 photies. Aspinalls florring has been there for yonks too, my dad got some stuff off him when we lived in Thurlow House in the 70s. The stairs are a bit rickety in there (not Thurlow House, they've gone)

Similar to these Phil?

No.
I meant the same block as the other photo, but taken from London Road.
I've got a box of photos I'll have a look through.

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Great pic and info once again Phil. :handclap:

Great pic and info once again Phil. :handclap:

Thanks, Ged.
There's still more to come.

Early 1980s.

John Irwin, Sons & Co. Ltd. had a chain of grocery shops in the North West.
A lot of their shops were architecturally quite interesting.
They were taken over by Tesco in 1961.
This building has been demolished.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/347602738_c37bcfa787.jpg


Nice pic Philip my dad worked for Irwins & Tescos for many years, we lived over the shop in Hawthorne Rd Bootle until 1966

I always remember the white tiled floors and bacon slicers, even the advent of Green Shield Stamps in 1964!

Regards

Rob

Nice pic Philip my dad worked for Irwins & Tescos for many years, we lived over the shop in Hawthorne Rd Bootle until 1966

I always remember the white tiled floors and bacon slicers, even the advent of Green Shield Stamps in 1964!

Regards

Rob

Hello Rob.

I was the 'order boy' for Irwins in Bromborough when I was at school, and then started full-time work at their shop in Southport, just when Tesco took them over.
Tesco introduced Green Shield Stamps.
Apparently Irwins wouldn't dream of such a thing.
In another thread somebody wondered if John Irwin was from Ireland.
You wouldn't happen to know, would you?

Hello Rob.

I was the 'order boy' for Irwins in Bromborough when I was at school, and then started full-time work at their shop in Southport, just when Tesco took them over.
Tesco introduced Green Shield Stamps.
Apparently Irwins wouldn't dream of such a thing.
In another thread somebody wondered if John Irwin was from Ireland.
You wouldn't happen to know, would you?

Hi Philip, I'll ask my Mums 96 year old friend who used to be an Irwins /Tesco manager.

Got some pics somewhere of Irwins Head office just off Melrose Rd.

Btw love the Telegraph House shots, that building caused me all sorts of trouble whislt at BT with the gargoyle things on the roof cracking after frost damage and falling off onto the road below.!

I've got an old publication of all the telephone exchanges in liverpool some gr8 pics of the buildings, if you would like me to scan some I'l try and find it!

Kind regards

Rob

Hi Philip, I'll ask my Mums 96 year old friend who used to be an Irwins /Tesco manager.

Got some pics somewhere of Irwins Head office just off Melrose Rd.

Btw love the Telegraph House shots, that building caused me all sorts of trouble whislt at BT with the gargoyle things on the roof cracking after frost damage and falling off onto the road below.!

I've got an old publication of all the telephone exchanges in liverpool some gr8 pics of the buildings, if you would like me to scan some I'l try and find it!

Kind regards

Rob


Is that the one by Stan Roberts?
Do you know him?
He wrote to me after my "A Tram Ride to Dingle" came out, saying that the telephone number on the Coleman's Depository building in Park Road is a mystery.
It still says 699 PARK, but there never was an exchange named Park.
There was Sefton Park, which used SEF, now 733.

I take it you boys will have seen this then?

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?search_word=irwins&change=SearchResults

I take it you boys will have seen this then?

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?search_word=irwins&change=SearchResults

Thanks for that, Ged.
I hadn't seen it before.

I take it you boys will have seen this then?

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?search_word=irwins&change=SearchResults

No not seen it b4 Ged many thanks.

regards

Rob

Is that the one by Stan Roberts?
Do you know him?
He wrote to me after my "A Tram Ride to Dingle" came out, saying that the telephone number on the Coleman's Depository building in Park Road is a mystery.
It still says 699 PARK, but there never was an exchange named Park.
There was Sefton Park, which used SEF, now 733.

Hi Philip,
Yeah he was one of the Area Engineers of the Liverpool Telephone Area, I used to meet a lot of people as i was in the Estates Dept and looked after buildings on the vatious patches duting my 24 years at BT. I made sure most of the Liverpool Area archives were saved to the main BT archives.

If you have any questions on Telephone exchages I'll do my best to help


Kind regards

Rob


What a great website this is !

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Great last couple of pics Phil, just how I remember them, thanks for sharing.

Opened 1898 (Liverpool's first electric tram route).
The extension was opened in 1938.
Later also used by buses.
The last tram left here in 1952 and the depot was closed in 1965 and sold to the Corporation Housing Department.
It was demolished in 1993 and housing has been built on the site.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1295/688605786_5a1bcce27f_o.jpg

Nice pictures Phil. :handclap:
I hope you dont mind me doing a quick 2 minute restoration on this one Lad.
If yer dont like it just say the word and I'll remove it.


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[QUOTE=PhilipG;66585]Opened 1898 (Liverpool's first electric tram route).
The extension was opened in 1938.
Later also used by buses.
The last tram left here in 1952 and the depot was closed in 1965 and sold to the Corporation Housing Department.
It was demolished in 1993 and housing has been built on the site.

Thanks for the photo Philip , I've got one somewhere with the buses showing in the depot. Apparently they used to park the expermental AEC Bridgemaster fleet no E3 outside and as most drivers hated it they would not call in for a bus exchange but carry on with a defective bus giving the depot staff an easy life!:)

regards

Rob

Thanks Gerard for getting rid of the join.
My old Zenith wasn't capable of taking wide shots, hence the two photos joined together.
I liked my Olympus, and I love my Sony, and get much wider shots, but I'm not keen on the 'converging verticals' (I think that's what it's called - the upright features that always lean inwards.)

Where about iz that?

It's demolished now.
It was in Ullet Road, opposite the end of Aigburth Road.

4 June 1983.
The day it closed.
Note C&A and Binns.

Photo courtesy of "Old Liverpool" group.
Lots more old photos.
See link below.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1006/798022438_52fac81891_o.jpg

That's a good one! Right now if you peek through the hoardings you can see that they're opening up the basement of Woolie's,hidden for 20 years,as part of the new arcade they're knocking through it. Like Lewis's closed floors,somewhere else I'd love to get into. ;)

Dave.

4 June 1983.
The day it closed.
Note C&A and Binns.

Photo courtesy of "Old Liverpool" group.
Lots more old photos.
See link below.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1006/798022438_52fac81891_o.jpg

great photo philip
Thank you for having the foresight to take such a pic!

Taken in 1990.

Lovely, Ged.
Would you post them to 'Old Liverpool', please?

Yes of course, or you can yourself, I'd post to Old Liverpool only I tried it once and it just uploaded to my flickr site that I didn't even know I had or asked for, so now I have the grand total of 1 pic on my flickr thingyo whatsit?

Yes of course, or you can yourself, I'd post to Old Liverpool only I tried it once and it just uploaded to my flickr site that I didn't even know I had or asked for, so now I have the grand total of 1 pic on my flickr thingyo whatsit?

Thanks, Ged.
I'll do it, then.

Still looking for my album of Church St & Lord St postcards (where those 2 photos of the 1970 Christmas lights are).
It's in my little house................ somewhere.............
I really must start tidying up!

BTW. National Museums, Liverpool, have just asked me if they can use the photo of Woolworths which appears just before these latest posts. :)

Yep, that's a beaut that one with Woolies and C&A on it, in colour too :thumbsup:

Looking across the Queensway tunnel entrance towards St. John's lane.23.4.87

great photo philip
Thank you for having the foresight to take such a pic!

You only have to look at this pic to see how Church street has improved and is improving further from then.

New Islington, Scotland Road and Hunter Street in particular. The car became more important than the people. Densely populated inner city areas and communities were decimated. The lessons of the 1960s were not learnt as people were moved out of town wholesale to the suburbs and newtowns.

Wind on to 2007. City centre high rise living is back in vogue when you look at Leeds St, Marybone, Gt Crosshall St, Hatton Garden, Tithebarn St, Duke Street etc etc.

Here is Hunter Street being quadrupled in width to add 6 lanes (8 at its widest) to the already existing 4 of the flyovers. All in all, a mini motorway, certainly a concrete carbuncle.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5265/roadimphunterdeep41186bg0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Back Commutation Row. Surprisingly, this little back crack is still there and can be approached from London Road. These delapidated properties fronted onto Commutation Row itself. Premises such as Ableson's, The Hare & Hounds and the Court House pubs. The new(ish) apartment block built sympathetically to its more salubrious surroundings of William Brown Street and Lime Street now stands here. Pic by Joe Devine)

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4930/backcommrowpy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



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Here is Hunter Street being quadrupled in width to add 6 lanes (8 at its widest) to the already existing 4 of the flyovers. All in all, a mini motorway, certainly a concrete carbuncle.

Very spooky Ged seeing as I took one at near exactly the same place!

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Out of your windscreen or playing chicken? :)

Out of your windscreen or playing chicken? :)

I was on my magic carpet at the time :)

Sacred Heart Club which was adjacent to the church of the same name. Situated on the corner of Hall Lane and Prescot Street, it was built in 1887 and is seen here undergoing demolition in 1992.


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Prescot Street property in 1991. The building on the right is now renovated and painted white.

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Prescot Street property in 1991. The building on the right is now renovated and painted white.

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Great pic Ged.
I love this thread!

Thanks Daisy, I'll add a now pic of the same location this week.

Thanks Daisy, I'll add a now pic of the same location this week.

brilliant Ged. Hurry hurry!! hehe:)

Prescot Street property in 1991. The building on the right is now renovated and painted white.

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I'm sure I heard years ago that Emlyn Hughes used to get his hair cut in that barbers David's.

A now shot.

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I'm sure I heard years ago that Emlyn Hughes used to get his hair cut in that barbers David's.

You could fill your autograph book if you stood outside Davids, with Everton & Liverpool players years ago.

yeah, and I was told that a lot of the the footballers also went to a barbers called Keith Cleary's in Hardman st - does anyone remember it ? It was by the florists Elsie Bruce.

talking 1960s & 70s.

What would you do if the end was nigh and did he mean the world or his own?

Williamson Square in the 1980s - pic with thanks to Joe Devine.


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Here's a similar picture. I took this photo probably early 80s.

A few more 1980s Liverpool: (they are not very clear as the quality of the colour hasn't transfered over after resizing)

John lennon statue at the garden festival. 1984.
The Playhouse showing 'Breezeblock Park'
Cases st.

Of course, 20 years on, could it be right to consider him a liar or misinformed or perhaps after 20 years + in the grand scheme of things, he could still be in with a shout. Nice pics.

Of course, 20 years on, could it be right to consider him a liar or misinformed or perhaps after 20 years + in the grand scheme of things, he could still be in with a shout. Nice pics.

He was a well known face around town wasn't he. :) He would be in Church st quite a lot too. see the guy sitting on the bench with a guitar. Must be a busker taking a rest.

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June 1992.
The Royal, St James St/Bridgewater St.
This is now a shop.

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Brilliant pic Philip.
I know exactly where this is

Great pic Philip. The clock pub was almost opposite this, next to the two tenement blocks.

What would you do if the end was nigh and did he mean the world or his own?

Williamson Square in the 1980s - pic with thanks to Joe Devine.


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He was a pain in the arse (bum) in case ARSE gets wiped out by ****** Thingy's.

As I passed him, I used to say, "What right do you have to push your views down people's throats ?"


His stock answer was,,,,,,,,,,,,, "Only sinners mock - Get on the Lord's side."

He was a pain in the arse (bum) in case ARSE gets wiped out by ****** Thingy's.

As I passed him, I used to say, "What right do you have to push your views down people's throats ?"


His stock answer was,,,,,,,,,,,,, "Only sinners mock - Get on the Lord's side."

That's your personal view Steven, but if there were more 'bible bashers' in the world, then maybe it really would be a better place.

It takes something (or madness) to stand up in town to preach the bible, but I'd rather see that than someone robbing an old lady.

Great pic Philip. The clock pub was almost opposite this, next to the two tenement blocks.

I remember the Clock, and I took a photo the same Sunday evening I took this.
There was also what looked like a pub on the corner of Kitchen Street.
I've got the photos out & will scan them later.

That's your personal view Steven, but if there were more 'bible bashers' in the world, then maybe it really would be a better place.

It takes something (or madness) to stand up in town to preach the bible, but I'd rather see that than someone robbing an old lady.

My neighbour who is very religious keeps telling me that the reason why things are so bad now is because people have turned their back on God. There is, perhaps, some truth in this.


I can agree that, as Cadfael says, if there were people preaching rather than robbing it would be better.

However, Bible bashers CAN be a pain. I call them God botherers - 'cos they literally do 'bother'!
My neighbour bothers me constantly to go to church and it has gotten to the point where I now avoid that person - 'cos they do not take no for an answer. I have religious leaflets pushed through my letter box and have even received phonecalls asking me to go to church !!:034:

My neighbour who is very religious keeps telling me that the reason why things are so bad now is because people have turned their back on God. There is perhaps some truth in this.


I can agree that, as Cadfael says, if there were people preaching rather than robbing it would be better.

However, Bible bashers can be a pain. I call them God botherers - 'cos they literally do 'bother'! My neighbour bothers me constantly to go to church and it has gotten to the point where I now avoid that person - 'cos they do not take no for an answer. I have religious leaflets pushed through my letter box and have even received phonecalls asking me to go to church !!:034:


It's true that we've turned our backs on God.
We used to think if we did bad we'd go to Hell, so we all had a conscience (actually it was fear).
Now that it's difficult to believe in Heaven or Hell, or even God for that matter, the fear of Eternal Punishment has gone along with a lot of consciences.

That's true Philip as as we've seen on another thread, sometimes nuns and brothers used that fear to suit their own ends, however, the principal still stands that if we take the 10 commandments as the guidebook then it could only be utopia couldn't it?

Still don't know how god got Lindy's phone number though?

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Philip, that's amazing. I had no idea this was originally an arcade, and that it looked like that inside !

It should have been renovated to it's former glory. It could be a lovely little shopping area couldn't it.

Philip, that's amazing. I had no idea this was originally an arcade, and that it looked like that inside !

It should have been renovated to it's former glory. It could be a lovely little shopping area couldn't it.

I agree Lindy.

This photo is brilliant Philip. It's what I love about this board, little corners of Liverpool that I didn't know existed!

I wonder how we would find out if it was still there?

Was the photo taken when it had closed Philip?

Still don't know how god got Lindy's phone number though?

118118 !!

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I agree Lindy.

This photo is brilliant Philip. It's what I love about this board, little corners of Liverpool that I didn't know existed!

I wonder how we would find out if it was still there?

Was the photo taken when it had closed Philip?

I always like to think that I know most places - but this one has surprised me. I have often looked up at that building but I had no idea it had been an arcade.

Philip, that's amazing. I had no idea this was originally an arcade, and that it looked like that inside !

It should have been renovated to it's former glory. It could be a lovely little shopping area couldn't it.

What a bolt from the blue,I had no idea about this one either! I thought it was just offices originally,with a fancy front-but a shopping arcade! Thanks for posting,Philip. Is it bad that I thought it was Lord St in Southport until I scrolled down?

Ironic that one minute's walk away they are building a modern version of exactly that in the old HMV building,and yet "here's one that we made earlier" lol. Incidentally,there is a similar,if less impressive,little arcade in Bold St. that many probably walk past daily without noticing. It's a few blocks down from the top end,on the south side.

Dave.

British Home Stores moved into the building, but I don't know (apart from the ground floor) how much of the building they occupied, but it was no longer an arcade.
The 1968 Kelly's directory lists the building as 'Arcade Chambers', and there were various offices in the building.
Until recently BHS used the rear of the ground floor as their restaurant.
I took the photo in 1984 and entered the landing where the photo was taken from The Strawberry Dance Studios.
I'll try and find out what survives.
The glass roof could (& hopefully can still) be seen from Cavern Walks.

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Dinner time from school would see my mates and I pitting our wits against each other at 'Crossfire'. That was in secondary school though, in the juniors we'd all pile down to Bibby's and try catch 'micks' with corn and one of the lads was a dab hand at sticking a matchstick into these parking meters, the whirring sound preceded the sound we were all waiting for - falling tanners.

Pic by Joe Devine.

Williamson Square in the mid 1980s.

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Look at the compo claim there next to the bench.(Next to compo):PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Great pics Ged:PDT11

I saw a gent today sitting on the floor by the old Stoniers building in Williamson Square.
He had a (cardboard?) guitar, quite well painted.
I got my camera out and focused it on something on the other side of the square, but he must have read my mind, because when I turned round, he'd gone!

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And this is how it is today.
Didn't somebody once say "Never go back"?

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nice pics , looks so much better without the lada,

This shows that the arcade had three levels.
The upper two are shown in my 1984 photo at #144 in this thread.
The sketch shown here is almost a carbon copy of an Edwardian postcard that I've seen.
When the sports shop opened it had an escalator up to the shop, so it'll be surprising if much of the 1901 arcade survives.
Anybody go to that sports shop?

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It's amazing. I never knew about this arcade. I was telling my mum about it, and when we went to town yesterday we were standing gawping up at the front of it :) :)

I had been in that sports shop a few times.

I saw a gent today sitting on the floor by the old Stoniers building in Williamson Square.
He had a (cardboard?) guitar, quite well painted.
I got my camera out and focused it on something on the other side of the square, but he must have read my mind, because when I turned round, he'd gone!

I think he's Irish. I remember him with a cardboard cut-out guitar (with string for the strings!), then a tennis racket - now he's got a really cool one like you say:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Is it 'Plink Plink' ?? (I thought he had died) ?? we have a thread somehwere about him - - or we did do on the old forum. He might be in 'Liverpool characters' somehwere.

I think he's Irish. I remember him with a cardboard cut-out guitar (with string for the strings!), then a tennis racket - now he's got a really cool one like you say:PDT_Aliboronz_24: theres no such thing as a cut out guitar, it's called a splingtwanger, well it is in our house anyway

Is that his name? I saw him in town last week - he is still around! I remember him being interviewed (back in '98/99) on the now defunct Liverpool TV station Channel 1. In it he said he loved the people of Liverpool!

I wonder if it is the original 'Plink Plink' then ? he must still be around.

Billy Butler got him into the radio Merseyside studio once to interview him.

I will try and look around and find him here on this forum - - we did talk about him on here a long time back. I'm sure there will a picture of him somewhere.


edited for Shoney lol ! :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I wonder if it is the original 'Plink Plink' then ? he must still be around.

Billy Butler got him into the radio Merseyside studio once to interview him.

I will try and root around and find him here on this forum - - we did talk about him on here a long time back. I'm sure there will a picture of him somewhere.

root around means something completely different in NZ and Aus, be careful how you go. lol

:eek: I'm gonna' edit it then !! ....... 'ang on ............ :snf (41):

:eek: I'm gonna' edit it then !! ....... 'ang on ............ :snf (41):

lol, good on yer

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Plink plink, only i'm confused now because I thought his name was Mary Christmas because it's what all the people were saying to him.

Pics by Joe Devine and reproduced with permission.

judging by the nicotine on his tash i bet he never seen much action under the mistletoe

That's him!! Great Ged! :handclap:

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he's still alive then !! :shock:

fantastic Ged- thanks for finding those pictures - it saves me the job of searching for them. :PDT11

This shows that the arcade had three levels.
The upper two are shown in my 1984 photo at #144 in this thread.
The sketch shown here is almost a carbon copy of an Edwardian postcard that I've seen.
When the sports shop opened it had an escalator up to the shop, so it'll be surprising if much of the 1901 arcade survives.
Anybody go to that sports shop?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2129/2229606370_217c0a38d4_o.jpg

The sports shop (all:sports) had a small amount of ground floor space and then a large space on the 1st floor. It had quite a low ceiling though and all of the walls were boxed in so you couldn't see any windows or original features.

I've got about 60 or 70 Liverpool characters saved to a folder all of their own but it's possibly not correct to post them on the web unless they're well known and street stars like plink plink.

Yes, he's still there. Still playing. Here's a photo of him from last year that I've put on the forum before.

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In the past, his guitars (I think he changes them quite often) have always been plain, but last week I noticed the new coloured one with strings painted on.

Have you all heard John Dolan's song about him on the My Liverpool CD?
If you haven't, then you need to get to Paul's CD shop in St Johns Market. There are 3 My Liverpool CD's and I think Plinkety Plink is on CD1.

Does anybody remember the black man who used to sell the echo outside what would now be HMV on Bold Street? I'm sure his name was Chris. He was a really great bloke. I remember when we finally saw the back of Thatcher in 1990 he was singing "Maggie Maggie Maggie - out out out!!" Then I think he passed away sometime in the mid 90's (but I could be wrong about the date). Apparently he used to save his money up so he could give kids presents at Christmas - he used to wear a Santa outfit as well when he was selling the echoes. I thought they should have put a plaque up to honour him - but I suppose that is too much to ask with this council...

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That's him!! Great Ged! :handclap:

He's still around. Myself and another member 'boxed him off' with a few bob only a week ago.

Hi everyone

New to all this used to live in 57 Enid st Lpool 8

and was wondering if you wanted to go and take a typical 1980s Liverpool
building picture were would you guys go

Thanks for your help

Sir Keith,

Does anybody remember the black man who used to sell the echo outside what would now be HMV on Bold Street? I'm sure his name was Chris. He was a really great bloke. I remember when we finally saw the back of Thatcher in 1990 he was singing "Maggie Maggie Maggie - out out out!!" Then I think he passed away sometime in the mid 90's (but I could be wrong about the date). Apparently he used to save his money up so he could give kids presents at Christmas - he used to wear a Santa outfit as well when he was selling the echoes. I thought they should have put a plaque up to honour him - but I suppose that is too much to ask with this council...


I remember him,I used to bye my echo off him when I was in town & he'd always give my son a sweet
one year at christmas he gave my son a little teddy
I agree there should be a plaque or something to remember him by maybe the Echo should honour him in some way

Great story that Robbo. Nice to hear that :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

British Home Stores moved into the building, but I don't know (apart from the ground floor) how much of the building they occupied, but it was no longer an arcade. The 1968 Kelly's directory lists the building as 'Arcade Chambers', and there were various offices in the building.
Until recently BHS used the rear of the ground floor as their restaurant.
I took the photo in 1984 and entered the landing where the photo was taken from The Strawberry Dance Studios. I'll try and find out what survives.
The glass roof could (& hopefully can still) be seen from Cavern Walks.

I can't see anything looking like a glass roof on Flash Earth and the aerial shots are fairly recent so it's probably been roofed over. I remember BHS's old restaurant,didn't realise they'd used the adjacent building too. I think it was only the ground floor,on the first there was just a wall as a divider between the two so they hadn't knocked through.

That's a great newspaper article too you've posted,Philip. The last sentence is definitely still true today! The way the ground floor has been sub-divided into shop units [as in your current pic] not in line with the building's layout above suggests that there won't be much remaining of the original there,sadly.

Dave.

he's still alive then !! :shock:

fantastic Ged- thanks for finding those pictures - it saves me the job of searching for them. :PDT11


Jacko is one of Liverpool's characters. Many Scousers will know him or know of him. Jacko is one of the Street people who amuses and brightens up a dull day. Jacko uses a cardboard cut-out of a banjo to busk with in Liverpool City centre - you may have seen him dressed in a Father Christmas hat which compliments his beard. Jacko is always polite and NEVER asks for money. If you give money, that is your choice and gift. Born in Armagh on the 26th of June 1938, his proper name is Jackson Nesbitt. Jacko takes a size 9 shoes; the need for new shoes is vital. A warm waterproof coat would be also be appreciated - water proof trousers would be a help now the Winters here. Do what you can - lets look after people like Jacko - he's one of Liverpool's sons and a true Liverpool character!

check him out on you tube

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WBWNrgXPo&feature=user

A great character. I love the way he makes the plink, plonk noises while he plucks his cardboard banjo. John (the baked spud man) outside TJ's gives Jacko his lunch a couple of times a week and a lot of people on the market there look out for him.

you may have seen him dressed in a Father Christmas hat which compliments his beard.

Mary Christmas

I found this picture of Lord Street arcade
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http://www.20thcenturyimages.co.uk/trolleyed/3/18/2123/index.htm

I found this picture of Lord Street arcade
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/1315.jpg

http://www.20thcenturyimages.co.uk/trolleyed/3/18/2123/index.htm

That's actually after it was Lord Street Arcade, when it was BHS (before they moved next door).

That's actually after it was Lord Street Arcade, when it was BHS (before they moved next door).

I meant the building, sorry :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

I found this picture of Lord Street arcade
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/1315.jpg

http://www.20thcenturyimages.co.uk/trolleyed/3/18/2123/index.htm

Great pic :)

Boss pic there Robbo.Well in:PDT11

The 1909 OS map describes it as an "Accumulator Tower".
Perhaps someone else knows what such a building was.

Here's another photo from the same day, with slightly less activity than your photo, Dave. :)

I'm just skimming through some of the older threads, and found this one, and couldn't see that anyone had answered the question.

I read up quite a lot about hydraulic power when we were looking to use some of the ducts of the London Hydraulic Company to run fibre optics cables along.

Many buildings used hydraulic power for hoists, lifts and loading ramps. In the docks it was used for lock gates, sluices and pumps. Water was pumped around the system at around 100 p.s.i, and if a pipe ruptured you got a very impressive fountain, and a big hole in the road!

The accumulators were basically water towers, the water was pumped up to the top by steam pumps, and the height gave it the pressure. If the pumps stopped for any reason, there was enough water in the accumulator to keep things running for a while until another pump was brought online.

John

When I was working in Button Street back in the 60s our hoist was powered by water. There was the system in the roof that burst twice while I was there rendering it useless when there where three waggons underneath waiting to be unloaded, and it flooded all the floors in the process, making walking quite hazardous.

When I was working in Button Street back in the 60s our hoist was powered by water. There was the system in the roof that burst twice while I was there rendering it useless when there where three waggons underneath waiting to be unloaded, and it flooded all the floors in the process, making walking quite hazardous.

Thought you could walk on water, Chippie. :shock:

I can Philip but my trousers get wet.:ninja:

I can Philip but my trousers get wet.:ninja:

I prefer your multicoloured kilt. :eek:

Just found a small gem on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/architect_traveller/918449972/in/set-72157601040630536/) . These include a few shots of the Garden Festival, Chester, Runcorn, Skelmersdale and Port Sunlight.

I'm just skimming through some of the older threads, and found this one, and couldn't see that anyone had answered the question.

I read up quite a lot about hydraulic power when we were looking to use some of the ducts of the London Hydraulic Company to run fibre optics cables along.

Many buildings used hydraulic power for hoists, lifts and loading ramps. In the docks it was used for lock gates, sluices and pumps. Water was pumped around the system at around 100 p.s.i, and if a pipe ruptured you got a very impressive fountain, and a big hole in the road!

The accumulators were basically water towers, the water was pumped up to the top by steam pumps, and the height gave it the pressure. If the pumps stopped for any reason, there was enough water in the accumulator to keep things running for a while until another pump was brought online.

John

An accumulator was water under pressure by a very large piston. The piston top was usually filled with gravel. It increased the pressure.

Basics: Water ~30 foot high gives you 1 bar, 1 atmosphere (the weight of the atmosphere at sea level), which is 14.7 lb/squ inch at the bottom of the 30 foot. To get 100 ib/sq inch you would need a tower well over 200 foot high.

Put in a piston with weights on, the pressure is raised and the tower need only be about 30 foot high. The piston also stabilises the pressure distribution. It also takes out peaks and dips when assisting a pump. A bit like the pressure expansion vessel on your heating boiler - that assists the pump delivery to the radiators and avoids cavitation when fitted just before the pump.

July 1984.

All these buildings have been demolished and replaced with Commutation Plaza (2002).

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Here's some more i've found of Commutation Row featuring Buses of course!

http://www.transportimages.com/gallery/v/buses/ukprevious/Liverpool-Corporation/Liverpool+L36+in+Liverpool+1972.jpg.html

http://www.transportimages.com/gallery/v/buses/ukprevious/Liverpool-Corporation/Liverpool+L328+in+Liverpool+1972.jpg.html

Rob

Here's some more i've found of Commutation Row featuring Buses of course!

http://www.transportimages.com/gallery/v/buses/ukprevious/Liverpool-Corporation/Liverpool+L36+in+Liverpool+1972.jpg.html

http://www.transportimages.com/gallery/v/buses/ukprevious/Liverpool-Corporation/Liverpool+L328+in+Liverpool+1972.jpg.html

Rob

and all the better for having them too in my opinion. :PDT11

ding ding
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The cinema would have been the Eros adult cinema
I remember my late grandad promising to take me to a cinema for the first time, think it was about 1980/1981. We were looking through the Liverpool Echo and he said I could pick what cinema I wanted to see the film, so I saw an advert with clouds around it and picked that one- The Eros 'adult' cinema!

My poor Grandad didn't know what to say, he said finally:
"Er...no, that shows blue films"
As a five year old who had no idea of 'blue films' I replied:
"Why, can't they get the other colours?"

My mum still reminds me of this one, my Grandad never ended up taking me to the cinema because he probably dreaded me mentioning 'blue films'.....