I avoid watching our Manchester based (or should that read biased) regional TV station. If its in Manchester then its a story.

Do you agree?

BBC's Look North West is the same, based in Manchester.
It even has an ex-Granada man (Gordon Burns) presenting it.

Both are diabolical, but I've always found the BBC far more extreme in their manchester bias.

I avoid watching our Manchester based (or should that read biased) regional TV station. If its in Manchester then its a story.

Do you agree?

The sooner Greater Liverpool gets its own TV station and the BBC split up and sold off the better. Granada is a joke. For 20 years they never had any presenters from Liverpool.

I agree with all the posts here.

I hadn't thought about it before but it's true that there has never been a presenter from Liverpool.

I only watch it as I think Caroline Hacking is lush :celb (23):

They never even mentioned Liverpool getting next years Royal Variety Show the other week can you believe that?:disgust:

They other year when Man U lost the FA cup final to Arsenal they never even showed any of the game the following Monday,instead they talked to a girl who was the mascot about her big day out.Can you imagine our local news not showing the game if Liverpool had lost on pens after dominating the game.:rolleyes:

How can we shout it from the rooftops eh? Everyone knows the situation with the Liverpool stories, what can we do to sort something out?

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@Paul - did u watch the RVS last week? :shock:

Mind you, they have done a feature tonight on Woolton Cinema so they're not all bad :gossip: :)

Mind you, they have done a feature tonight on Woolton Cinema so they're not all bad :gossip: :)

Oh, I missed that.
Is there any news about the Woolton?

Fred was there telling us about the history of the place. Usual run of the mill stuff really. They did give out the save woolton cinema website address so that was very decent of them!

(And the delectable Miss Hacking appeared on the prog again! :celb (23): )

Paul - did u watch the RVS last week?

No I never was it any good?

I agree with all the posts here.

I hadn't thought about it before but it's true that there has never been a presenter from Liverpool.

Around the world Liverpool is famous for music. Liverpool has a hell of a brand name world-wide. The city predominates for its size in the entertainment business as a whole, yet look at the Granada you would think this place 30 miles away didn't exist. It is treated the same as Oldham.

The Greater Liverpool area needs its own TV station. The radio station called Radio Liverpool too. The city needs to market itself abroad and trade aboard too. Turing its back on the land and looking out to sea is when Liverpool does well -a city barely on the land. In the past 50 years Liverpool has tried to turn and look inland - it never worked. The over-centralised South East England centric system we have did nothing for Liverpool whatsoever, except rape it.

I only watch it as I think Caroline Hacking is lush :celb (23):

Bloody awful presenter though

No I never was it any good?

erm? no

They never even mentioned Liverpool getting next years Royal Variety Show the other week can you believe that?:disgust:

They other year when Man U lost the FA cup final to Arsenal they never even showed any of the game the following Monday, instead they talked to a girl who was the mascot about her big day out. Can you imagine our local news not showing the game if Liverpool had lost on pens after dominating the game.:rolleyes:

Granada TV in the late 70s was so anti Liverpool it was disgrace. Presenter Tony Wilson wore a Bruges rosette on TV on the day of the 1978 European Cup final.

In 1985 Everton won the League title, the European Cup Winners cup and were beaten FA Cup finalists to Manchester United - great achievement. Everton won the European trophy on the Wednesday and were beaten by Man U on the Saturday. They had no celebration of being League winners as the season was still rolling. On the Sunday after the FA cup defeat, Everton had a welcome home parade in the city showing two trophies. Man U had one showing the FA Cup that narrowly snatched off Everton. Man U were given 55 minutes TV coverage and Everton 5 minutes, with presenter Tony Wilson sneering Merseyside.

Enough is enough time to get rid of Granada.

In 1985 Everton won the League title, the European Cup Winners cup and were beaten FA Cup finalists to Manchester United - great achievement. Everton won the European trophy on the Wednesday and were beaten by Man U on the Saturday. They had no celebration of being League winners as the season was still rolling. On the Sunday after the FA cup defeat, Everton had a welcome home parade in the city showing two trophies. Man U had one showing the FA Cup that narrowly snatched off Everton. Man U were given 55 minutes TV coverage and Everton 5 minutes, with presenter Tony Wilson sneering Merseyside.

I remember that incident well John.:disgust:

Yawn.

I'm not getting in to an argument over this, but I'll refer to my earlier comments: http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14765&postcount=11. Once again, these are my personal views and not those of the company.

Furthermore, here's tonight's running order:
Dog Latest (St Helens, Mers)
Iraq Repatriation (Liverpool, Mers/Runcorn, Chesh)
SADS Death (Crewe, Cheshire)
War Veteran (Accrington, Lancs)
Canoe Death (Kendal, Cumbria)
Michael Shields (Liverpool, Mers)
Cheese (Garstang, Lancs)
Bluebird (Coniston, Cumbria)
Macclesfield FC (Cheshire)
Wigan Rugby (Gtr Manchester)
Sale Sharks (Gtr Manchester)
Ricky Hatton (Gtr Manchester)
Beatrix Potter (Bowness, Cumbria)

There will be days when there is more from Manchester, and there will be those when there's a Merseyside bias. Likewise with Lancashire, Cheshire, south Cumbria and north Wales. It all depends on what's happening, where. Whether you want to believe it or not, it's as simple as that.

Andy

Andy, many thanks for your post. With regards to the screen that is behind you when the Granada News is on - Are there any plans to feature Liverpool's World Heritage Site buildings, the Sky Line etc. 2007 is a special year for us. Would be nice to see something and it would be warmly welcomed by hundreds of thousands of people. :PDT_Piratz_26:

Kev

The BBC's North West Tonight has just finished.
No mention of Liverpool's fireworks. (Surprise, Surprise). :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

But we were treated to Lawrence Llewellyn-Bowen's plans to beautify Blackpool Illuminations.

I never watch Granada, so I don't know if the fireworks were mentioned there.

Yawn.

I'm not getting in to an argument over this, but I'll refer to my earlier comments: http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14765&postcount=11. Once again, these are my personal views and not those of the company.

Furthermore, here's tonight's running order:
Dog Latest (St Helens, Mers)
Iraq Repatriation (Liverpool, Mers/Runcorn, Chesh)
SADS Death (Crewe, Cheshire)
War Veteran (Accrington, Lancs)
Canoe Death (Kendal, Cumbria)
Michael Shields (Liverpool, Mers)
Cheese (Garstang, Lancs)
Bluebird (Coniston, Cumbria)
Macclesfield FC (Cheshire)
Wigan Rugby (Gtr Manchester)
Sale Sharks (Gtr Manchester)
Ricky Hatton (Gtr Manchester)
Beatrix Potter (Bowness, Cumbria)

There will be days when there is more from Manchester, and there will be those when there's a Merseyside bias. Likewise with Lancashire, Cheshire, south Cumbria and north Wales. It all depends on what's happening, where. Whether you want to believe it or not, it's as simple as that.

Andy

You are missing the point, Andy. The important matter is not how many stories are reported from Liverpool compared to those from Manchester and other places in the so-called region, it is which stories are reported.

Note that even in the selection of stories shown above two or, perhaps, three of the three Merseyside stories are negative, all four (I'm including Macc as Greater Manchester) are positive. This type of pattern is what people in Liverpool have come to get used to from Granada and BBC North West for decades with a corresponding impact on the new programmes viewing figures in the city region I would think.

Basing the local tv news of Liverpool, one of the largest, more famous and artistically creative cities in the UK in another city has never made sense. Doing so almost inevitably introduces a bias against the city in how it is reported. This bias is obviously so deep-seated that those working in the Manchester-based newsrooms like yourself may not even be aware of it.

All of the journalists will live in Manchester, probably socialise in Manchester, may actually be from Manchester. All of the positive aspects of their life experience, restaurants, shopping, families will be focussed on Manchester. That's where their loyalties will lie.

Whenever something bad happens in Liverpool (crime, disaster, devil dogs, whatever) it will be reported for sure, just as they would be if they occurred in Manchester. The total number of stories is not the issue here.

However, whenever a fluffy and positive piece is wanted about posh shops or restaurants, there is little chance that the journalist and cameraman are going to be dispatched to Liverpool when they can walk up the Triangle or somewhere else in Manchester city centre and do it there. Hence, over weeks and months a dripping impression builds up about good things being associated with Manchester and bad things being associated with Liverpool.

Getting away from news, Manchester also benefits from the way the city is represented in drama. Sometimes, gritty, crime-based dramas are given a Manchester setting, as they are indeed in London. However, Manchester also nowadays, like London, is the location for trendy aspirational stuff like Cold Feet, giving the city a glamorous image. I can't think of a single drama based in Liverpool for over twenty years that hasn't been about either poverty or crime. In essence, every time Liverpool appears on tv it is made to look a sh1thole. When London or Manchester are on tv they are shown as grim sometimes but also as exciting, smart and glamorous. Again, a slow dripping negative impression of Liverpool is created.

Basically, it is a disgrace that any local media that serves Liverpool is based Manchester. No one in Liverpool wants it. There has never been a single media venture that has not be imposed from above by London bureaucrats and their imaginary "North West region" that has aimed to serve the "region" and survived. Think about the fate of the North West Times, the North West Enquirer, the 70s edition of Time Out that covered Liverpool and Manchester. If both Manchester-based "North West region" news operations were subscription based rather than imposed on everyone in Liverpool whether they liked it or not, no one in Liverpool would subscribe to them and they'd suffer the same fate as the Enquirer (yet another Manchester-based "North West region" media venture that will filled with a pro-Manchester/anti-Liverpool bias, no matter how they tried otherwise).

Also, remember that people in Liverpool haven't forgotten how Granada opened a news room in Liverpool as part of their efforts to win their franchise renewal, only to swiftly close it down again and shift everything back to Manchester soon after.

Granada, like BBC North West is a Manchester tv station that serves Manchester, and does this rather well. One of the reasons why Manchester (a good place in many ways) is nevertheless massively overrated as a city and Liverpool's image problem, although easing to some extent, remains significant is because of the concentration of London media operations outlets in Manchester. What's worse is that none of this is home grown. It's not a case of innovative Manchester entrepreneurs starting up in the city and being successful. London bureaucrats invented the BBC and ITV "North West" regions and then gifted Manchester with the "regional" media. Manchester then benefits from the jobs, money and investment and the subsequent sympathetic news coverage.

In truth, there is a real region focussed on Manchester, that extends into most of milltown Lancashire and includes Manchester's commuter belt in Cheshire. It does not include Liverpool, however. The real media success stories in the "region" are the Manchester Evening News, which covers this genuine region, and the Liverpool Post and Echo that cover Liverpool's natural hinterland, extending into north east Wales.

I agree completely with much of the above observation re Granda's 'Manchester: centre of the universe' mentality.

But if you think they underdo Liverpool, just try living in Chester, as does this ex-pat! As with Liverpool, they've got studios located in a very nice part of town (Lower Bridge Street- opposite the Bear & Billet) but it remains a mystery to most locals just what goes on in there. Trying to get in touch to alert them to a story, comment upon our crap politicians or whatever is virtually impossible... Don't know why they bother maintaining a presence here frankly.

Was watching Granada Reports tonight - saw the most lush Caroline Hacking interview (twice in one week :rolleyes:) Mrs WAG Rooney.

The funniest comment on the clip was from someone who I paid no interest in.....'Coleen really is an ambassador for the city of Liverpool'!! :eek: :eek:

WTF has she done? Pulled us through the war years? Stood up on 6 hours on stage like Ken Dodd? I mean FFS.

I feel better now :)

Was watching Granada Reports tonight - saw the most lush Caroline Hacking interview (twice in one week :rolleyes:) Mrs WAG Rooney.

The funniest comment on the clip was from someone who I paid no interest in.....'Coleen really is an ambassador for the city of Liverpool'!! :eek: :eek:

WTF has she done? Pulled us through the war years? Stood up on 6 hours on stage like Ken Dodd? I mean FFS.

I feel better now :)

lol, I saw that too in the gym, Kev Seed loves his celeb lifestyle and all he went on about was his invite last nnight.....did u see BBC New Northwest as well? The did a feature on public transport and managed to get a reporter to travel on a Liverpool bus with this girl, describing her terrible journey, then cutting to Manchester reporting how successful their tram has been! Well, that's how I saw it anyway :PDT_Xtremez_42::PDT10

Not a mention of the New Museum starting soon etc....

lol, I saw that too in the gym, Kev Seed loves his celeb lifestyle and all he went on about was his invite last nnight.....did u see BBC New Northwest as well? The did a feature on public transport and managed to get a reporter to travel on a Liverpool bus with this girl, describing her terrible journey, then cutting to Manchester reporting how successful their tram has been! Well, that's how I saw it anyway :PDT_Xtremez_42::PDT10

Not a mention of the New Museum starting soon etc....

It angered me that much that I started my punchbag work out earlier. I mean what HAS she (or any other WAG) done for this city? You've got people freezing to death at winter as they can't pay their bills, people sleeping on the streets and you've got WAGS poncing around like they're the first people that have done any good for Liverpool. She may be a really nice person and good luck to her but I give up with Granada TV (if it wasn't for Caroline wearing black dresses LOL). Gave em my Edge Lane website address just when the news went live about the CPO and did they want to know?

As Jim Royle would say 'did they my a*se' :rolleyes: :)

She is very forgiving though, forgave him for shagging that granny so she could still be a WAG. :)

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