Boundary Markers

[MissInformed]

I found this on the bbc website.
A pic of a blue stone/plaque dated 1820. Apparently in Martindales car park in St Anne St.

Any ideas what it is??

[PhilipG]

I've checked the 1908 OS map, and Rose Place was the "Divn. of Parly. Boro. & Ward Bdy." (sic).
Division (?) of Parliamentary Borough and Ward Boundary.

[marky]

I assume this is the Grade II listed boundary stone? I can just make out a 'W' and a 'G' either side of the dividing line.

[MissInformed]

I know there are a few different little threads going on about boundary stones, but I think we should collect them all in one!

Post your pics of boundary stones here!
And any info/facts about them....most welcome..

[ChrisGeorge]

Thanks for starting this thread, MissInformed. As you can see, I have copied Marky's post of the boundary stone on Rose Lane by Mossley Hill Church to here. Marky said, "It's just a bit down the hill from the church (and on the same side). I just hope the letters don't stand for Water and Gas. I don't know its' age, but guess it's old." And I expressed the view that the "W" probably stands for "Wavertree" and the "G" for "Garston."

I will also put the St. Anne's boundary marker here as well. -- The pic of which you helpfully posted earlier.

Chris

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi MissInformed

Toxteth.net (http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/history/boundary.htm) has a discussion of the boundaries of Toxteth Park including pictures of two boundary stones (http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/history/boundary%20stones.htm), for Wavertree and Toxteth Park, respectively, shown with a "W" and a "TP" -- which might confirm what I said above that the Rose Lane marker shows the boundary between Wavertree ("W") and Garston ("W"). Also shown on Toxteth.net are a recent railway marker (http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/history/boundary%20stones%203.htm) close to those two stones, as well as another possible Toxteth boundary marker. (http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/history/boundary%20stones%202.htm)

On Mike Royden's history site in his discussion of the Oglet saltworks in Dungeon Lane (http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/mrlhp/local/salt/dungeon.htm), he mentions that "A ditch running alongside Dungeon Lane, which leads down to the shore from Hale Road, once formed part of the ancient boundary line between the townships of Speke and Hale" and that "A boundary stone bearing the Speke Hall Watt family's initials was situated on this line part way along the incline."

In his discussion of Roby, Mike says, "The oldest standing structure is most likely what appear to be the remnants of either a village cross - or perhaps a boundary stone." A picture of the stone (http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/mrlhp/students/medievalroby/medievalroby.htm) appears on his site.

Chris

[GingerTheCat]

According to City Council the following Boundary Stones exist.

Church Road: Grade II Stone. Divided into 2 parts. Left part "Much Woolton" right part "Little Woolton"

Mill Lane Wavertree: Salisbury Stone Boundary Stone. Made of Sandstone. Inscribed with a crown and the letter S. 1861.

Rose Lane: Township boundary stone, set against stone wall to north of Church of St. Matthew and St. James. Grade II. Made of Sandstone. Vertical line in centre. "W" (for Wavertree) on the left and "G" (for Garston) on the right.

Priory Rd Anfield and Townsend Lane: Boundary Post 1884. Made of Sandstone.Township of Walton On The Hill and Township of West Derby.

Walton Lane& Tetlow Street: Boundary Post 1865. Grade II. Cast metal.

Mike

[ChrisGeorge]

Great, thank you, Mike. I had forgotten that there was a "Much Woolton" and a "Little Woolton" although I have to admit I would not know which is which -- does anyone know? Also about the Salisbury stone in Mill Lane, Wavertree, I believe Lord Salisbury owned land in the Wavertree area so I should say that accounts for that designation.

Ah, I now see that the Victoria County History has a site on Much Woolton (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=41306) and Little Woolton (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=41307), the latter of which confirms the local link to the Marquis of Salisbury.

Chris

[lindylou]

I'm sure I've posted these pictures somewhere on the forum before.
Anyway, this is the boundary marker on Priory rd. Don't know what happened to the top of it (there used to be a pointy sort of cap ) - it suddenly disappeared after all these years. Might have been knocked off by vandals or something.
Not very clear but one side says Township of Walton on the Hill.
The other side, Township of West derby.

[ChrisGeorge]

I'm sure I've posted these pictures somewhere on the forum before.
Anyway, this is the boundary marker on Priory rd. Don't know what happened to the top of it (there used to be a pointy sort of cap ) - it suddenly disappeared after all these years. Might have been knocked off by vandals or something.
Not very clear but one side says Township of Walton on the Hill.
The other side, Township of West derby.

Thanks, Lindy!

Chris

[PhilipG]

According to City Council the following Boundary Stones exist.

Church Road: Grade II Stone. Divided into 2 parts. Left part "Much Woolton" right part "Little Woolton"

Mill Lane Wavertree: Salisbury Stone Boundary Stone. Made of Sandstone. Inscribed with a crown and the letter S. 1861.

Rose Lane: Township boundary stone, set against stone wall to north of Church of St. Matthew and St. James. Grade II. Made of Sandstone. Vertical line in centre. "W" (for Wavertree) on the left and "G" (for Garston) on the right.

Priory Rd Anfield and Townsend Lane: Boundary Post 1884. Made of Sandstone.Township of Walton On The Hill and Township of West Derby.

Walton Lane& Tetlow Street: Boundary Post 1865. Grade II. Cast metal.

Mike

This list is interesting, but it's not complete.
I don't know much about Boundary Stones, but funnily enough, the 2 that I do know are not here.
There's one in Aigburth Vale, near Aigburth Road, and one in Smithdown Road, by the Cemetery wall.

[ChrisGeorge]

This list is interesting, but it's not complete.
I don't know much about Boundary Stones, but funnily enough, the 2 that I do know are not here.
There's one in Aigburth Vale, near Aigburth Road, and one in Smithdown Road, by the Cemetery wall.

Hi Philip

Thanks, Philip. Here's the one on Smithdown Road as pictured on Toxteth.net

http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/history/boundary%20marker.htm

I don't know the one in Aigburth Vale. I know there is a mile marker there which is described in the following PDF file from the Liverpool Corporation on local monuments and markers as a circa 1900 cast iron marker which states "Toxteth Park 3 1/2 miles to Liverpool Exchange"

http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Images/tcm21-37069.pdf

Chris

[GingerTheCat]

For Aigburth they show a Cast Iron Mile Post, Grade II, Circa 1900 saying Toxteth Park 3½ miles to Liverpool Exchange

and nothing for Smithdown Road.


Mike

[MissInformed]

great info guys!

[PhilipG]

For Aigburth they show a Cast Iron Mile Post, Grade II, Circa 1900 saying Toxteth Park 3½ miles to Liverpool Exchange

Mike

That's gone missing
It was in the corner by Aigburth Road (near the underpass).

The Boundary Stone is just the other side of the "Old Bank" building.

[theninesisters]

Wavertree has one - of sorts:


Walk along Mill Lane - so called because it was the road leading from Old Swan to the ancient Wavertree Mill off Woolton Road - past the children's playground. A few yards inside the railed enclosure can be seen a sandstone block, protruding from the grassy surface, inscribed with a crown and the letter 'S'.

This 'Salisbury stone' is a reminder of the old Wavertree Lake which existed on this site until 1929, and of a dispute between the Local Board and the Lord of the Manor as long ago as 1861. The Lake was a valued local asset; the existence of a water supply - springing from the original well - was probably the reason why a village developed here, the name 'Wavertree' having been translated by one scholar as "the place by the common pond". During the nineteenth century, however, it became very dirty and weed-infested, and the Local Board of Health decided to clean it up and plant trees round the edge. This provoked a reaction from the Marquess of Salisbury - Lord of the Manor of Wavertree - who ordered 'mere stones' (boundary markers) to be placed round the edge to show that it was his property rather than common land. Eventually the dispute was resolved - the Marquess agreeing to allow the Board to continue with its scheme - but one of the stones remains to this day.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi Jona76

Thanks for that great information about the Wavertree boundary stone, Jona76. Most interesting!

Chris

[MissInformed]

That's gone missing
It was in the corner by Aigburth Road (near the underpass).

The Boundary Stone is just the other side of the "Old Bank" building.

I think there is a pic of the one that says something about the Exchange in Our City, Our Heritage by O connor...i have lent out my book, so may need your help here Philip!:)

[PhilipG]

I think there is a pic of the one that says something about the Exchange in Our City, Our Heritage by O connor...i have lent out my book, so may need your help here Philip!:)

Here's the relevant pic.
Checked today, and this milestone's still missing.

However, the Boundary Stone is still a few yards away on the other side of the door of the Old Bank in Aigburth Vale.
T T P = Township of Toxteth Park.
T G = Township of Garston.

[marky]

Here's a location pic for the Rose Lane stone...the church is on the left near the top of the hill.
I've seen a few metal plates around, some with numbers some without. Are these mile posts? There's a numbered one at Aigburth rd. and The Serpentine.

[ChrisGeorge]

Here's the relevant pic.
Checked today, and this milestone's still missing.

However, the Boundary Stone is still a few yards away on the other side of the door of the Old Bank.
T T P = Township of Toxteth Park.
T G = Township of Garston.

Hello Philip

Many thanks for this. I worked for a while at what was then, in 1968, Martin's Bank in Aigburth Vale, on the eastern corner of Ashfield Road and Aigburth Road, which later became Barclay's Bank. This is pictured at Toxteth.net at http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/general/aigburth%20vale.htm

I am assuming that the "Old Bank" is what was when I worked there, Westminster Bank, on the other side of Ashfield Road, pictured on Toxteth.net at http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/general/aigburth%20vale%202.htm

I am sorry to hear that the old mile marker is missing. I assume somebody might have it as a souvenir. :disgust:

Chris

[ChrisGeorge]

Here's a location pic for the Rose Lane stone...the church is on the left near the top of the hill.
I've seen a few metal plates around, some with numbers some without. Are these mile posts? There's a numbered one at Aigburth rd. and The Serpentine.

Liverpool area boundary stone complete with dolly bird swinging her handbag. Perfect!

I have no opinion about the Aigburth Road and Serpentine marker that you saw. As we noted earlier, we might be drifting into corporation markers for gas and electric lines etc in contrast to the older boundary markers.

Chris

[PhilipG]

The bank on the Garston side is now a wine-bar.
The Boundary Stone is outside the former bank on the Liverpool side.
That building is now a sort of private Labour Exchange. "Work today. Get Paid today".

For years there were a few single storey shops before you got to Aigburth Vale.
(I think I mixed up Aigburth Vale with Ashfield Road before).
Those single storey shops and the building on the corner of the Vale have gone and have been replaced with a block of flats.
The ground floor is taken up with garages as that was historically an area prone to flooding.
At one stage a cinema was planned for that site. Not a lot of people know that!

[ChrisGeorge]

The bank on the Garston side is now a wine-bar.
The Boundary Stone is outside the former bank on the Liverpool side.
That building is now a sort of private Labour Exchange. "Work today. Get Paid today".

For years there were a few single storey shops before you got to Aigburth Vale.
(I think I mixed up Aigburth Vale with Ashfield Road before).
Those single storey shops and the building on the corner of the Vale have gone and have been replaced with a block of flats.
The ground floor is taken up with garages as that was historically an area prone to flooding.
At one stage a cinema was planned for that site. Not a lot of people know that!

Hi Philip

Yes last time I drove through Aigburth Vale, I was startled to see that where I labored as a bank clerk in 1968, the former Martin's and later Barclay's Bank, is now a wine bar! Thanks for clarifying that the boundary marker is on opposite street corner, beside the former bank on the Liverpool side, what had been "the opposition" -- Westminster Bank-- when I worked in the locality, but now a sort of private Labour Exchange. "Work today. Get Paid today". Incredible.

Good to know about the trivia that a cinema was actually mooted to go into the area at one time! Thanks, Philip.

Chris

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi all

Found this railway boundary marker on Liverpool Parks and Suburbs (http://www.redstarline.org.uk/liverpool_parks_suburbs.html). Stated to be "A boundary marker on the pavement of Smithdown Road." Can anyone place it more exactly?

http://www.redstarline.org.uk/images/suburbs/boundary.jpg

Chris

[MissInformed]

I have never seen that!
I will have to have a look out for it..
thanks Chris!

[marky]

Location of Railway metal plate: This is near the site of the old railway station, Smithdown rd. You can see it in the bottom-left corner of the following pic. It reads:

BOUNDARY POST
L. & N. W. Ry. Co.

[MissInformed]

that's brilliant marky!
all the times i have been along there, and never seen it!

[ChrisGeorge]

Location of Railway metal plate: This is near the site of the old railway station, Smithdown rd. You can see it in the bottom-left corner of the following pic. It reads:

BOUNDARY POST
L. & N. W. Ry. Co.


Hi Marky

Many thanks for tying down the exact location of this marker for us!

Chris

[taffy]

However, the Boundary Stone is still a few yards away on the other side of the door of the Old Bank in Aigburth Vale.
T T P = Township of Toxteth Park.
T G = Township of Garston.[/QUOTE]


I was very interested to see the reference to the Toxteth/ Garston boundary marker. It's one I'd not know about. Given that Aigburth is part of the township of Garston, does anyone know how the area of St Michael's , Lark Lane, Riverside Drive etc and indeed the whole of Sefton park are commonly stated to be in "Aigburth" when clearly they were and still are in Toxteth

[PhilipG]

I was very interested to see the reference to the Toxteth/ Garston boundary marker. It's one I'd not know about. Given that Aigburth is part of the township of Garston, does anyone know how the area of St Michael's , Lark Lane, Riverside Drive etc and indeed the whole of Sefton park are commonly stated to be in "Aigburth" when clearly they were and still are in Toxteth

The short answer is Snob Value.

Ashfield Road is the boundary for Toxteth Park, and the boundary continues through the Otterspool estate (now Otterspol Park).
I've never been sure exactly where the boundaries of Aigburth are.
Riverside Drive might be called Aigburth by the residents, and is L17, but some of it is definitely Dingle. Dingle Point and Knott's Hole are right in the middle of it!

It's a bit like the residents of Lodge Lane changing the name of their section of the road to Sefton Park Road, even though the Lodge which gave its name to the road is there (Sefton Park Road, that is).

Another sore point with me is that all the South Docks are in L3, but the rest of the area is mostly L8.

[MissInformed]

:)
The short answer is Snob Value.

Ashfield Road is the boundary for Toxteth Park, and the boundary continues through the Otterspool estate (now Otterspol Park).
I've never been sure exactly where the boundaries of Aigburth are.
Riverside Drive might be called Aigburth by the residents, and is L17, but some of it is definitely Dingle. Dingle Point and Knott's Hole are right in the middle of it!

It's a bit like the residents of Lodge Lane changing the name of their section of the road to Sefton Park Road, even though the Lodge which gave its name to the road is there (Sefton Park Road, that is).

Another sore point with me is that all the South Docks are in L3, but the rest of the area is mostly L8.

hi philip
I live near Otterspool on riverside drive, but my postcode is L3...I have often wondered what area I come under!! The letting agent told us DOCKLANDS...????:shock:
I always thought it would be Dingle...who knows eh?:)

[taffy]

:)

hi philip
I live near Otterspool on riverside drive, but my postcode is L3...I have often wondered what area I come under!! The letting agent told us DOCKLANDS...????:shock:
I always thought it would be Dingle...who knows eh?:)

Post codes are simply for the convenience of the Post office and do change. Thus a lot of what was L8 around the Dingle has become L17 or L3. Again not all L8 is in Toxteth, for example the Abercromby & Canning areas. These have of course been dubbed by estate agents " The Georgian" quarter

[MissInformed]

hmmmm...
i know what you mean.
Alot of prices do depend on postcodes!:shock:

[marky]

The Sanctuary Stone, Castle Street. The plaque is on the building occupied by The Furness Building Society.

[PhilipG]

I found this on the bbc website.
A pic of a blue stone/plaque dated 1820. Apparently in Martindales car park in St Anne St.
Any ideas what it is??

Did anybody find out what this one was?
It would seem that Boundary Stones do not have the date on them.
I'm pretty sure that the date doesn't refer to St Anne's Church.
I still don't think it's as old as 1820, but it might refer to something that happened then.

[MissInformed]

:) i don't think anyone did find out what this was.
it would be nice to know

[ChrisGeorge]

The Sanctuary Stone, Castle Street. The plaque is on the building occupied by The Furness Building Society.

Great to see, Marky. I have taken a pic of this stone in the past among other images of Liverpool historic locations that I photographed in black and white in the Sixties. I like that bit of duct tape you got on the side of the stone, ha ha.

In answer to MissInformed's question about the marker near St. Anne's church with the Liver Bird and the date 1820, I thought Philip G answered this question on November 25 in this thread, as follows:


I've checked the 1908 OS map, and Rose Place was the "Divn. of Parly. Boro. & Ward Bdy." (sic).
Division (?) of Parliamentary Borough and Ward Boundary.

[PhilipG]

Great to see, Marky. I have taken a pic of this stone in the past among other images of Liverpool historic locations that I photographed in black and white in the Sixties. I like that bit of duct tape you got on the side of the stone, ha ha.

In answer to MissInformed's question about the marker near St. Anne's church with the Liver Bird and the date 1820, I thought Philip G answered this question on November 25 in this thread, as follows:

Chris.

Since seeing the pics of boundary stones which have been put on this thread, it would appear that they do not have dates, but have letters for the area they are bounding (right word?).
Whereas the St Anne Street stone has a date, but no letters, which leads me to think that whatever it was, it wasn't a boundary stone.

[theninesisters]

The ground floor is taken up with garages as that was historically an area prone to flooding.

Ain't that the truth! I used to catch the 61 from Aiggy Vale in my School Days and remember the pet shop literally bailing out after a heavy rain fall..they'd have been ok if they were selling ducks!

[ChrisGeorge]

Chris.

Since seeing the pics of boundary stones which have been put on this thread, it would appear that they do not have dates, but have letters for the area they are bounding (right word?).
Whereas the St Anne Street stone has a date, but no letters, which leads me to think that whatever it was, it wasn't a boundary stone.

Hi Phil

Fair enough. It would seem to me though that it was something to do with the city government with having a Liver Bird on it, do you agree? I do agree that most of the boundary markers just seem to have letters on them for the areas whose limits they are marking.

Chris

[PhilipG]

Hi Phil

Fair enough. It would seem to me though that it was something to do with the city government with having a Liver Bird on it, do you agree? I do agree that most of the boundary markers just seem to have letters on them for the areas whose limits they are marking.

Chris

Or a Liverpool firm.
The classic example, of course, is the Royal Liver Insurance.

[taffy]

Despite what the council would have you believe with their new district signs, there's no defined boundary for Mossley Hill. The nearest attempt are the Church of England parish boundaries for SS Matthew and James, Mossley Hill and St Barnabas, Mossley Hill.

However Rose Lane, Mossley Hill has two beautiful boundary markers. One near the church, defining the boundary between Garston and Wavertree. The other defining the boundary between Allerton and Wavertree. Both boundaries ran down the middle of Rose Lane.

The W|G stone is located against the wall near the SS Matthew and James Vicarage and the A|W stone is built into the stone wall about 100 yds along towards Mather Ave from Pitville Rd. Photos attached. The Allerton wavertree bounadry continues Rose lane and then along Green Lane where another boundary marker exists to confirm this.

The net result of all this of course is that SS Matthew and James Church is in Garston Township. Also of course all the shops etc on Allerton Rd are in Wavertree Township and not the Allerton so beloved of estate agents

[MissInformed]

great pics

[ChrisGeorge]

I agree. Wonderful photographs, Taffy. Thanks for taking them and also for giving us that information on the markers' locations.

Chris

[MissInformed]

great to see these little pieces of history still dotted around our city. I think it's what makes it so special

[marky]

This is the usual bisected natural stone with large initials. I can see a large 'G' on one side, but unfortunately the other side is worn...can someone confirm it was a 'W'.
This is on the modern-day boundary of L17/L18.
This is located on Victoria Road near the junction with Carnatic Road, which can be seen in the distance in the second pic.

[taffy]

This is the usual bisected natural stone with large initials. I can see a large 'G' on one side, but unfortunately the other side is worn...can someone confirm it was a 'W'.
This is on the modern-day boundary of L17/L18.
This is located on Victoria Road near the junction with Carnatic Road, which can be seen in the distance in the second pic.

Thanks for this one Marky, another stone I didn't know about. I cannot make out a W but yes the boundary stone was the Garston/Wavertree boundary marker. It's shown on my 1908 large scale map from Alan and Godfrey. The boundary stone was close to two others marking the point where the townships of Toxteth Park, Garston and Wavertree met. I don't know if the others still exist though as the area has been subject to re-development

[marky]

T.T.P. (Township of Toxteth Park)
This is located on North Mossley Hill Road, near Ibbotsons Lane (the car in the second pic is parked in Ibbotsons Lane...at this end it is a Public Footpath and leads to the Iron Bridge at Sefton Park).
Everything North of the stone is in Toxteth Park...there isn't any indication of the area South of the stone...Wavertree ?
I'll definately have to send these pics to Toxteth.net as evidence of the Toxteth boundary are very rare.

[Max]

Wavertree/Garston Stone and on Rose Lane? Huh?

[ChrisGeorge]

T.T.P. (Township of Toxteth Park)
This is located on North Mossley Hill Road, near Ibbotsons Lane (the car in the second pic is parked in Ibbotsons Lane...at this end it is a Public Footpath and leads to the Iron Bridge at Sefton Park).
Everything North of the stone is in Toxteth Park...there isn't any indication of the area South of the stone...Wavertree ?
I'll definately have to send these pics to Toxteth.net as evidence of the Toxteth boundary are very rare.

Super photographs, Marky! Thanks once again. I totally agree that you should send these pics to Toxteth.net. Good work. I also agree with Taffy that all such markers should be listed.

Chris

[Ged]

My uncle was over from Ireland and we were cutting through by St. Mary's graveyard when he noticed a stone and said ''Jesus, 210, this guy was old''

I asked him what the name said on the stone, he brushed some undergrowth one side and said ''Miles from London''.

[marky]

Wavertree Playground markers:
Toxteth.net has more info on these including a pic of the missing W and T.P. stones
http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/history/boundary.htm

Today there is a Railway Boundary Post in the area where the Stone Markers where. The remains of an old wooden fence can still be seen in places along the line of the modern railings. The Stones where against the old wooden fence. Nearby is a mystery stone block...it could be nothing, but there were a couple of other markers on early maps. The area of interest is the Smithdown Road/Grant Avenue section.

[PhilipG]

This was between the Queens cinema and the Salvation Army on Walton Road.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/360024890_ab352e7814_o.jpg

1986 photos.
The car park is the site of the cinema
The boundary stone was on the wall on the other side of the poster.
The wall was all that remained of the cinema.
A McDonalds has replaced both buildings.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/80/227398862_e7195dbd07_b.jpg

[ChrisGeorge]

That's really unusual, Philip. Are you saying then that because of the redevelopment at the site, the stone has been lost? :(

Chris

[marky]

All these stone markers should be listed...City 800 years old/Capital of Culture celebrations and these stones are just left to disappear.
Looking at the Toxeth Park one at N. Mossley Hill Rd. it is the only one posted that is not symmetrical...as if it has been cut in half, or should be butting against another stone? (just speculation)...the curve just looks suspicious.

Here's the marker between the Otterspool Promenade/Marine Esplanade (the railings are different either side of this brick marker). I fully expect people, in years to come, will use this as proof that Otterspool stretches as far as this point...which it does not...this point is still very much Dingle.
Interesting also for it mentions the Cast Iron Shore.

[marky]

Here's the Much Woolton/Little Woolton Boundary Stone in Church Road, Woolton.
The location pic is taken from Church Road, looking towards Reservoir Road.

[PhilipG]

That's really unusual, Philip. Are you saying then that because of the redevelopment at the site, the stone has been lost? :(

Chris

I suppose it has been lost.
Unless it has been given pride of place in McDonalds. :)

At the time I wondered if I was the only person who had ever taken a photo of it.

[ChrisGeorge]

Here's the Much Woolton/Little Woolton Boundary Stone in Church Road, Woolton.
The location pic is taken from Church Road, looking towards Reservoir Road.


Great to see. Thanks, Marky!

Chris

[marky]

Harrington Dock Stone...marks Eastern Terminal Point:

THIS STONE ERECTED IN
THE YEAR 1885 IS PLACED ON
THE SITE OF THE SOUTHERN BASIN
OF HARRINGTON DOCK TO MARK
THE EASTERN TERMINAL POINT
OF THE IMAGINARY LINE REFERRED
TO IN SECTION 103 OF THE MERSEY
DOCK ACTS CONSOLIDATION
ACT 1858

[ChrisGeorge]

Harrington Dock Stone...marks Eastern Terminal Point

Very interesting! Thanks again, Marky!

Chris

[marky]

Garston/Speke Boundary Stone?

Banks Road/Speke Road (over the road from the old fire-station, which has now been converted to flats), have a look on the grass verge...near to the sign for 'Speke'

I don't know for certain, but it is in the right place to be a boundary marker (I'd have to see some reference to it on a map, or have it confirmed by someone who knows the area better).

[marky]

Smithdown Road...I think this is another Railway Boundary Post, but it has no markings at all. The other one (just around the corner) is marked as a Boundary Post, but is off the pathway and so is in good condition. I suspect this one is worn away because of pedestrians.
This metal plate is shown bottom-right on the second picture (together with a quirk...all colours of one set of traffic lights are still lit)

[ChrisGeorge]

Spotted this one in the Wavertree Playground near the junction of Grant Ave with Smithdown Rd. It's in the right place to be the Toxteth Park/ Wavertree Boundary marker. The boundary then goes along Garmoyle Rd, L15

Hi Taffy

You could be right. My first reaction was that it was the remains of a gatepost or maybe a hitching post but is that some lettering on top of it?

Chris

[marky]

Riversdale Road. If anyone's got an old map, then this might appear. It has all the correct features of a boundary stone, but doesn't have any markings.

[taffy]

Riversdale Road. If anyone's got an old map, then this might appear. It has all the correct features of a boundary stone, but doesn't have any markings.

Nice find Marky. I cannot see a Boundary Stone marked on Riversdale Rd on the 1905 OS map. There are two bench marks shown. Could this post have held a metal bench mark plate. Where precisely is the stone you found?

[marky]

It's a shame if it isn't as it looks similar to some others (natural stone, gravestone shape). I did wonder what the strange impression was on the front, as if it held something or it was butted up against something.
As you head down from Aigburth Road it is about half-way down on the left (a little bit before you hit the present-day footpath on the left)

[MarkA]

a Wavertree township marker on Binns Road

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/itsmma/DSCF0919-2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/itsmma/DSCF0920.jpg

[Bendo]

My nan used to live in the house next door to the builders merchants on Wavertree High Street, now my mind may be playing tricks with me (it was a good 15-20 years or so ago) but I'm fairly certain there is a boundary stone marker in the wall the separates the house garden to that of Wayne/Village builders merchants.

As I said, could be mistaken though as I was a kid at the time I just seem to remember being told about it.

[taffy]

Spotted this one on Allerton Rd, Allerton. Must have passed this a 1000 times and not seen it before. It looks like some sort of crown boundary marker possibly related to the Allerton Police Station Boundary.

[marky]

Here's another one of those metal plates...Greenhill Road/Brodie Avenue (at the bottom of the railway bridge). This looks to be identical...a GR Crown and Feet and Inches measurements. I don't know what they mark, but they are rare.

[ChrisGeorge]

Very interesting, Taffy and Marky. I am almost tempted to think that the style of the crown and the type of lettering might date back to George III but that hardly seems possible, so I suppose it must be George V or VI.

Chris

[MarkA]

The G R does indeed refer to George V as he wouldn't have been confused with the previous King George who died in 1830. His son George had to use the VI after his name though to avoid confusion with his father.

The 'G R Ft in' plates above are ordinance survey benchmarks and the benchmark symbol http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wwshack/graphics/History_graphics/benchmark.gif will be hidden below pavement level and should look like this one - http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/itsmma/IMAG4716Small.jpg

The groove above the arrow is to insert the measuring tool and can be seen carved into stone also as we have seen on the Thingwall/Knotty Ash sandstone marker post.

[ChrisGeorge]

Great information. Thank you so much, Mark. :PDT11

Chris

[ChrisGeorge]

In Castle Street, in the northbound lane about 100 yards south of the Town Hall. . .

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/527605114_f7e577d9f5.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/216/516189520_a0bd12766b.jpg

[taffy]

Spotted on Smithdown Rd, L7 against the Toxteth Park Cemetery wall. It says on the base "Erected 1866". What is it? Sited opposite block between Cranbourne Rd and Salsbury Rd

[ChrisGeorge]

Spotted on Smithdown Rd, L7 against the Toxteth Park Cemetery wall. It says on the base "Erected 1866". What is it? Sited opposite block between Cranbourne Rd and Salsbury Rd

Same as this, Taffy, right?

http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/history/boundary%20marker.htm

Any reason to think it is not a boundary marker for Toxteth Park?

Chris

[PhilipG]

Same as this, Taffy, right?

http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/history/boundary%20marker.htm

Any reason to think it is not a boundary marker for Toxteth Park?

Chris

Paul Christian of toxteth.net sometimes just writes his own assumptions without checking the facts.
I'm not sure about the Lower Brook, but the OS map shows that the boundary crosses the road at that exact spot, and continues towards town down that pavement as opposed to the other side of the road.
My assumption is that it marks the boundary between the other two districts which he's marked in red.
With him writing 'stone' he's obliterated what reads on my map: "Union Divn. of Parly. Boro. & Ward Bdy." (Union [Division?] of Parliamentary, Borough and Ward Boundary).
The key word here is Union, because if you follow the Boundary north to Cadogan Street you can see that the word 'Union' is missing.
http://www.toxteth.net/maps/liverpool/lpool1g.htm

[taffy]

Any reason to think it is not a boundary marker for Toxteth Park?

Chris

Yes I did think it was a boundary marker but with the comments on OS trig points, I began to wonder. The L7 post code boundary along this section of Smithdown Rd follows the old West Derby/ Toxteth boundary up to the appropriately named Boundary Pub at the junction of Lodge Lane and Smithdown Rd. Most of the L7 terraced houses off Smithdown Rd are due to demolition. Sad really as many of these seem to be in good condition but have fallen foul of the the "New Heartlands" Government demolition policy.

[phredd]

Does 'Boundary Lane' off West Derby Road have anything to do with boundary markers ? (A-Z page 46...4A)
Just done a search and can find no mention of it.

Phredd

[taffy]

Does 'Boundary Lane' off West Derby Road have anything to do with boundary markers ? (A-Z page 46...4A)
Just done a search and can find no mention of it.

Phredd

This looks like the boundary between Everton and West Derby. There are several other similarly named streets in the Liverpool area.

[phredd]

Came across this one on sunday >>>>>>
Has it been found and put on another thread ?

Phredd

[taffy]

Came across this one on sunday >>>>>>
Has it been found and put on another thread ?

Phredd

Not seen this one before Phredd. Where exactly is it?

[phredd]

Not seen this one before Phredd. Where exactly is it?

By the BLUE STAR Line funnel, on the Prom just along from the pub on Riverside Drive. Its set in the wall.

Phredd

[taffy]

By the BLUE STAR Line funnel, on the Prom just along from the pub on Riverside Drive. Its set in the wall.

Phredd

Thanks Phredd. I'm surprised Dingle hasn't been amended to Aigburth !!!

[phredd]

Taffy
I think the reason the name has not been changed is because it is the given name to that part of the esplanade :- "The Dingle Esplanade" and not to the district.
Just my thoughts :lol:
Phredd

[taffy]

Taffy
I think the reason the name has not been changed is because it is the given name to that part of the esplanade :- "The Dingle Esplanade" and not to the district.
Just my thoughts :lol:
Phredd

It was just a joke Phredd. I had visions of the illegal graffiti type of alteration rather than any official change. I do know the locals kicked up a fuss when the Dingle district sign was put up on nearby Riverside Drive last year. It's now been resited much closer to the City centre. Not sure who this satisfies as it still implies that Sefton Street and Riverside Drive are in the Dingle !!

[PhilipG]

It was the Dingle end of the completion of Otterspool Promenade to tie in with the International Garden Festival of 1984.
At least common sense prevailed in the naming of it.
As I keep saying, if all the 'nice' (ie new estates) parts of the Dingle would proudly call themselves Dingle, then the rest of Liverpool would see that the name 'Dingle' refers to an area rich in variety.
But it's not going to happen when parts of the Dingle have even managed to get an L3 postcode, or people even say they live in Otterspool (let alone Aigburth)! As one ex-member of this forum who lived in Riverside kept insisting, and who put her location as Otterspool!

[SteH]

Here's a plaque on the Boundary Bridge that goes over the Leeds & Liverpool canal on Boundary St near the junction with Vauxhall Road.

[marky]

Salisbury Stone, Lake Road Playground
Here's the Stone mentioned on page 1 of this thread. There are also a couple of small stones on the corner of the playground near to the Monks' Well. I don't know if they are of any significance, but they seem to be placed there deliberately.

[wsteve55]

Salisbury Stone, Lake Road Playground
Here's the Stone mentioned on page 1 of this thread. There are also a couple of small stones on the corner of the playground near to the Monks' Well. I don't know if they are of any significance, but they seem to be placed there deliberately.

Is this the playground by picton clock? If so, it's on the site of what was once a lake/pond,which was drained in the earlier part of the last century.The markers were placed there to delineate ownership of the land, which was disputed between the city council, and lord???( i cant remember who, i'm afraid):disgust:

[marky]

Details of Wavertree Lake...I wonder what ever happened to the 'mere stones' associated with this lake.
http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/page49.html

[wsteve55]

Details of Wavertree Lake...I wonder what ever happened to the 'mere stones' associated with this lake.
http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/page49.html

Dont you think that's one in your pic'?:)

[marky]

Yeah, I just wondered if anyone knew how many existed originally, or their whereabouts. It's a large stone in the playground...I wouldn't be able to shift it.

[ChrisGeorge]

Details of Wavertree Lake...I wonder what ever happened to the 'mere stones' associated with this lake.
http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/page49.html

The write-up indicates that there was only one such stone remaining and that it is (or was) inscribed with a crown and an "S" for the Marquess of Salisbury. Is the stone you photograph marked that way?

Thanks

Chris

[marky]

Yeah, that's the stone referred to in the write-up.

[ChrisGeorge]

Yeah, that's the stone referred to in the write-up.

Thanks for confirming that it is the same stone. A nice little piece of local history.

Chris

[PhilipG]

Does anybody have any information on this Marquis of Salisbury, and where he owned land?
Or even where he lived?
When the Plaza cinema (Allerton Road) was in the planning stage (1920s) it was said that he owned a lot of land "in that neighbourhood", but I've not heard much more about him.

[shytalk]

I know he owned the freehold on the Salisbury Rd. area, the property was 99 year leasehold and the freehold come up for sale after some Govt. legislation in the 60's. I know this because my parents owned #120.
He also owned all the farmland in the Gateacre and Childwall areas. I lived at Coxhead farm Gateacre as a kid and it was compulsary purchased from him after WW2 for housing.
There are probably a lot more but these are the only 2 I know of for sure.

[ChrisGeorge]

Does anybody have any information on this Marquis of Salisbury, and where he owned land?
Or even where he lived?
When the Plaza cinema (Allerton Road) was in the planning stage (1920s) it was said that he owned a lot of land "in that neighbourhood", but I've not heard much more about him.

Hi Philip

I believe the Marquess of Salisbury in question at the time of the Wavertree boundary dispute was the same gentleman who was Prime Minister of Great Britain, Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, Marquess of Salisbury, Tory prime minister in 1885-6, 1886-92, and 1895-1902. See http://www.numberten.gov.uk/output/Page144.asp. His estate was Hatfield House (http://www.hatfield-house.co.uk/), Hertfordshire, where he died in 1903. There's information on the later marquesses on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Salisbury

Chris

[PhilipG]

Thanks Shy and Chris.
I did a Google this morning and there's a lot out there on him (ie the family).
So far I've found out (apart from what Chris says) that the family had Childwall Hall and are related to the Gascoignes (Bamber Gasgoyne of University Challenge is a descendant).
I knew about the Earl of Sefton and the Earl of Derby owning vast areas of Liverpool, and I've only started skimming the surface, but Salisbury had a lot of Liverpool too, including the land where St Jude's (Low Hill) was built, and the land on which West Derby Court House stands (which is just outside the Croxteth Hall estate), and all of Childwall and Woolton.

[wsteve55]

Was this the illustrious ancestor:rolleyes: of Bamber Gascoine, as i know he has some kind of Liverpool connection?

[Cadfael]

Taken from the website www.childwall.moonfruit.com

The earliest reference to Childwall Hall is from the 1700’s.
In 1728, Isaac Greene married Mary Aspinall, heiress of the Ireland family of hale.
This building (much like the Church Tower) was demolished in 1780 and a new Hall was built by Greene.
After his death in 1749, his youngest daughter, Mary, inherited Childwall Hall in addition to land in West Derby, Wavertree, Everton and Much and Little Woolton. In 1756 she married Bamber Gascoyne.
Their son, also called Bamber Gascoyne, settled at Childwall in the 1790’s serving as Member of Parliament for Liverpool from 1780 to 1796.
Interested in literature and friend of a number of famous contemporary authors, he had an extensive library and also collected old master paintings. He also held local shooting parties amongst the local hills.

In the early 19th century he commissioned John Nash, the architect, to work on the hall, transforming the house in to a yellow sandstone, sham mediaeval castle. Other improvements included the Octagon Room, a billiard board, an oak Gothic sarcophagus and ‘Grecian’ lamps.
Bamber Gascoyne II’s only child, Frances Mary, married Viscount Cranborne, 2nd Marquess of Salisbury in 1821, this uniting the extensive estates of both families.
Frances Mary did not live at Childwall Hall after her marriage and the house was let to many tenants.
In 1947, the 5th Marquess of Salisbury presented Childwall hall to Liverpool Corporation, who intended to establish a county college. However the house was found to be riddled with dry rot, requiring expenditure of “25,000 on remedial work alone.
In view of this and the general unsuitability of the building for use as a college, the house was sadly demolished.
The new community college built on the site opened in 1955, but has itself now closed and the premises are now occupied by Mersey Television Group. (Mersey TV).

[marky]

I have heard the name Gascoyne in relation to Hale...but the connection escapes me at the minute.

[wsteve55]

Heres a plate/marker of the old West Derby boundary.It's at the junction of Rocky lane/Belmont rd. It looks like someone has had a go at removing it at sometime, or maybe to try pointing the brickwork:unibrow:

[ChrisGeorge]

Heres a plate/marker of the old West Derby boundary.It's at the junction of Rocky lane/Belmont rd. It looks like someone has had a go at removing it at sometime, or maybe to try pointing the brickwork:unibrow:

Very nice work, wsteve55! It is hard to read, as you already know, but it's nonetheless a nice piece of local history that is still there, which is significant and very important for people to know about. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, wsteve55. :hug:

Chris

[taffy]

Anyone noticed this before or know what it was for. It's quite close to the Toxteth Boundary through Otterspool Park.

[marky]

Otterspool: The boundary is very near, so who knows. It really needs to be matched up on a map though.
Here's something that caught my eye...imagine seeing this stone standing out from the leaf litter. I kicked the leaves away and there was a dead squirrel (I thought it was a rat at first).
At first glance I thought this bisected stone went deeper, but I think this is the full height. This is in Ibbotsons Lane, another area near the bounday of Toxteth Park. It just shows what red-herrings are out there, when looking for boundary markers.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Ibbotsons_Lane_stone.jpg

[Kev]

Is that a grey squirrel too?

[DaisyChains]

I saw this one on East Prescot Road (I think!!).
Was on the way to ST Helens.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/Liverpool/19-08-07_1152.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/Liverpool/19-08-07_1153.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/Liverpool/19-08-07_1151.jpg

[ChrisGeorge]

Good work, Taffy, Marky, and DaisyChains. :handclap:

Chris

[taffy]

Located in a private garden off Speke Rd opposite Banks Rd.

[marky]

I had a feeling there'd be one around Garston/Speke. I stopped looking when I found an upturned kerb-stone, facing the old fire-station.
I'll have to check the 3 metal plates in Ullet Road, as I must have missed one in the fog the other day. There should be 2 on the Princes' Park side of the road that state 'Liverpool' and one on the other side that states 'Toxteth Park'.

[ChrisGeorge]

Fine photograph, Taffy, well done! :PDT11

[shoney]

I remember seeing one when I was a kid in Rainhill or prescot on a day out, a few hundred years old just lying there un-vandalised, maybe that where we go wrong these days with plastic and aluminium, stone is too hard, people move on and leave it alone, good pics though from a time when a small stone on the side of the road stood out like dogs ballz and showed you the way, nowadays you probably need to look very hard to notice them

[taffy]

I had a feeling there'd be one around Garston/Speke. I stopped looking when I found an upturned kerb-stone, facing the old fire-station.
I'll have to check the 3 metal plates in Ullet Road, as I must have missed one in the fog the other day. There should be 2 on the Princes' Park side of the road that state 'Liverpool' and one on the other side that states 'Toxteth Park'.

Thnaks Marky, didn't know about the Toxteth Park one on Ullet Rd. How interesting. The Garston boundary stone is relatively late, ca mid 1890s. I did wonder whether what you called an up turned kerb stone was an older boundary marker. I'll have to check some old OS maps

[taffy]

I'll have to check the 3 metal plates in Ullet Road, as I must have missed one in the fog the other day. There should be 2 on the Princes' Park side of the road that state 'Liverpool' and one on the other side that states 'Toxteth Park'.

Sadly just noticed the "Borough of Liverpool" metal boundary marker opposite Parkfield Rd has been stolen. Presumably this gross act of vandalism was simply to steal the marker for its cash value as scrap metal. Photos below taken in 2007

[ChrisGeorge]

Sadly just noticed the "Borough of Liverpool" metal boundary marker opposite Parkfield Rd has been stolen. Presumably this gross act of vandalism was simply to steal the marker for its cash value as scrap metal. Photos below taken in 2007

Ugh! Sad indeed! :(

[marky]

Here's the two remaining Ullet Road plaques. These are at the top and the bottom of the hill (as mentioned above, the one inbetween has now gone). I thought the missing one was the same as these, but had been half-buried beneath the pavement. Now we'll never know.
As mentioned on another thread, these are likely to relate to the drains (there is a map of the drain system around somewhere)
These come from a time when Liverpool was not yet a city and the Southern parts of Toxteth Park (Aigburth, Sefton Park, St. Michaels etc)had not yet been absorbed into Liverpool.

Borough of Liverpool (North side of Ullet Road)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Plaque_Liverpool.jpg

Township of Toxteth Park (South side of Ullet Road)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Plaque_Toxteth_Park.jpg

[DaisyChains]

Here's the two remaining Ullet Road plaques. These are at the top and the bottom of the hill (as mentioned above, the one inbetween has now gone). I thought the missing one was the same as these, but had been half-buried beneath the pavement. Now we'll never know.
As mentioned on another thread, these are likely to relate to the drains (there is a map of the drain system around somewhere)
These come from a time when Liverpool was not yet a city and the Southern parts of Toxteth Park (Aigburth, Sefton Park, St. Michaels etc)had not yet been absorbed into Liverpool.

Borough of Liverpool (North side of Ullet Road)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Plaque_Liverpool.jpg

Township of Toxteth Park (South side of Ullet Road)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Plaque_Toxteth_Park.jpg

Absolutely brilliant Marky!
I have walked up and down Ullet Road my whole life and never noticed these!
Where exactly are they?:)

[marky]

Ullet Road plaques: Junction with Belvidere Road (on Belvedere School wall), junction with Aigburth Drive (on and old gate post). Both are at floor level.

[marky]

This stone is at the junctions of Breck Road/Lower Breck Road/Townsend Lane.
This appears to be different to all the others, as it is dated...1817. A few letters can still be seen on two sides. It is visible from a satellite as a small dot at the left of this grassy triangle:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=breck+road,+liverpool&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=29.163842,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=53.427565,-2.949877&spn=0.000668,0.001824&t=h&z=19&iwloc=addr

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Breck_Road_stone_location.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Breck_Road_stone1.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Breck_Road_stone2.jpg

[quincyg]

spotted this by accident on Edge Lane Drive. I'd stopped to take a photo of summat and my camera started to play up. as I was replacing batteries I caught sight of this in the kerb.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging3/Picture1556.jpg

I'm assuming it was originally on a wall (as it says erected) and was moved down when the road was widened perhaps?

[PhilipG]

spotted this by accident on Edge Lane Drive. I'd stopped to take a photo of summat and my camera started to play up. as I was replacing batteries I caught sight of this in the kerb.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging3/Picture1556.jpg

I'm assuming it was originally on a wall (as it says erected) and was moved down when the road was widened perhaps?

It could be in the original position.
This side: West Derby.
That side: Wavertree.

The name "Edge Lane" denotes a boundary.

[ChrisGeorge]

Great images, marky and quincyg! :handclap:

I think these "remainders" of past times are endlessly interesting.

Chris

[gregs dad]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2263/2487141760_b68a45c8a3_o.jpg
Not many people know about this stone set in the tarmac of Castle St.
It marks the boundary of the old Liverpool Fairs in the middle ages. You weren`t able to be arrested if you had taken something in the fair and not paid for it till you had crossed this perimeter.
I took this yesterday just as it started raining

[gregs dad]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/2487143196_53e727122f_o.jpg
This is the plaque denoting the stones on the NatWest bank wall in Castle St

[ChrisGeorge]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2263/2487141760_b68a45c8a3_o.jpg
Not many people know about this stone set in the tarmac of Castle St.
It marks the boundary of the old Liverpool Fairs in the middle ages. You weren`t able to be arrested if you had taken something in the fair and not paid for it till you had crossed this perimeter.
I took this yesterday just as it started raining

Nice work, gregs dad. I photographed the stone and the plaque when I was in Liverpool in May (see below) -- and I had earlier photographed it in b&w in the Sixties when I photographed a number of the city's historic sites and curiosities (hope to scan some of those pics in shortly). Look at the color changes (rain and sun related I guess) in your version of the stone! :shock: Actually the street surface of Castle Street does not show in my version, only the cement surrounding the old Sanctuary Stone.


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/216/516189520_a0bd12766b_b.jpg

[skgogosfan]

spotted this by accident on Edge Lane Drive. I'd stopped to take a photo of summat and my camera started to play up. as I was replacing batteries I caught sight of this in the kerb.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging3/Picture1556.jpg

I'm assuming it was originally on a wall (as it says erected) and was moved down when the road was widened perhaps?

A happy accident. ;) I agree with Philip...the boundary line is clearly between the two words of "township",so it makes sense for the stone to be meant to be laid flat. Not too far away are some odd bollards dated 18xx,also erected by these 'overseers',which have always puzzled me as to their purpose. They look like the types the ferries tie their mooring ropes around,but TJ's car park is a long way from the river. lol.

Dave.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi Quincy and Dave

I would interpret it that the plate was always set in the ground and not on a wall, and that it therefore actually marked the physical boundary between the two areas. Seeing as the top part of the plate is upside down and I was puzzling to read it, I took a few moments to realize it is actually "West Derby" as the actually presentation "WESTDERBY" looked strange to me... "Westerbery" or something. Ha! :rolleyes:

Chris

[Kev]

Found this one down towards Otterspool, Riversdale Road Aigburth.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/2805310031_e58dc58db6_b.jpg (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/2805310031_e58dc58db6_b.jpg)

[taffy]

Found this one down towards Otterspool, Riversdale Road Aigburth.



That's interesting Kev. I'll have to investigate.

[taffy]

Could be a bench mark stone where the metal OS bench marker has been "liberated" I notice on the 1907 Garston map that there's such a BM on the right hand side just beyond the cricket ground as you approach Otterspool. Was this where you saw the stone Kev?

[Kev]

If walking from the cricket club, its on the left [cricket club side if facing the river]

[taffy]

Spotted a pair of these West Derby markers being installed as bollards at the entrance to a hotel in Anfield Rd. Clearly they have been taken from somewhere else.Quite a disgraceful disregard for Liverpool's heritage in a so called regeneration area

[ChrisGeorge]

Spotted a pair of these West Derby markers being installed as bollards at the entrance to a hotel in Anfield Rd. Clearly they have been taken from somewhere else.Quite a disgraceful disregard for Liverpool's heritage in a so called regeneration area

Good catch, Taffy. Although maybe this is preferable to them being just "junked"? :PDT_Xtremez_42:

Chris