Roscommon St School and St. Peters, Sackville St, Everton area.

[chasevans]

Anyone help me obtain pictures of these schools during the 1950's? I lived next to Rossy school at 79-81 Roscommon St and the back of our house led onto St Peters school which I attended in the 50's. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards to Ged, ItsaZappathing and others, just waking from my hibernation.

[Samp]

Hello Chasevens.

I went to both of those schools and during the 50's.

Mr Grimshaw headmaster at Sackville St. Mr Walker one of the teachers who tought me.

Roscommon St, headmaster Bothom, teachers, Hughes, (Woodwork) Bozie, (Woodwork also tought the lads boxing)
Williams, (Music) Other teachers , Jack Lyons, Fred Tunstall, who went on to become the headmaster at Colomendy.
I will post some pictures of both schools as soon as possible.

Cheers!

[chasevans]

Hi Samp,
Great to hear from and thanks for the early response. I went to St Peters but the headmaster at that time was Mr Stokes. I left in 1960 and my final form teacher was Mr Bookless. Mr Platt was the school caretaker and he lived a few houses down in Sackville St. My elder brother, Les Evans, went to Rossy, also my younger brother Ron but I went on to the Collegiate. I do recall Les recounting his experience of Bozie. Looking forward to seeing the pics,
Regards,
Chas

[Samp]

Hello Chas, I remember Mr Stokes did take over from Grimshaw and I remember Mr Platt the caretaker, dont remember Bookless.
I left Rossy in 1956. Did you ever go to the Shewsy club?

[chasevans]

Hi Samp, I was in touch with Mr Bookless's wife recently and she let me know he had died. She told me a little of his history and he'd been a prisoner of war held by the Japanese but he never brought any of this out in his lessons. A very quiet and calm man is how I remember him.
I did go to the Shewsy, a great boys club. I played billiards and eventually played snooker upstairs. It kept us off the streets and was well run. I still think of the thick hot buttered toast which you could buy there for a penny a slice. I'm sure you know that I'm talking about when a pound was worth 240 pence. I'm 61 this year, how old are you?
Speak to you soon,
Chas

[jacky gunnion]

go to that there ..ged fagen s site ...inner city living ..its got everything....:disgust:

[chasevans]

Hi Jacky, tried Geds site but I still require more detailed photos of the Rossy area. Thanks, Chas

[Samp]

Hello Chas!

Sorry i;m a bit late, had to root them out.

I think you should recognise the first one!

Second one of Rossie School, sorry about the quality.

Last three are St Peters, view from top of Sackville St, View of Fire escape girls yard, view of infants entrance in boys yard, note the outside toilets on the right, bloody cold in winter!

I have some pictures of pupils from before your time If you are interested but will have to search them out.

[Ged]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2245/backroscommonstsiteof21.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/backroscommonstsiteof21.jpg/)


Over a dozen gone on my site yesterday. Sackville st - 2 and 3 storey houses, also back Rossy as well as them undergoing demolition and the site afterwards. One looking towards the old Shewsy on Portland Place too as well as the rear of Rossy new school, the 50s and 60s flats and up towards Nethy and the high rise.

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[chasevans]

Hi Ged,
What year would this pic of Back Rossy be? St Peters is still standing and Rossy school but everywhere else has gone. Is there any chance your other pics will available to view?
Regards,
Chas

[Ged]

Go down about 3/4 of this page http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=50969832&cr=7 and you'll see the lot with dates etc.

[chasevans]

Thanks again Ged, the pics are very helpful. A great site you've got there, I've spent hours on the Everton areas.
Best wishes,
Chas

[Ged]

Thanks Chas.

[chasevans]

Hi Ged and Samp,
Found a couple of personal pics of my childhood in Rossy.

1st pic shows me and my younger brother on a sunny day on the back of my dad's lorry which was partially to blame for the window ledges condition (see pic 3). Brickwork to the left is our house then the house next door. Third house is a bombed house.The fancy barriers are to deter us from gaining access to the bombed house.Then there is Joey Charnock's house with trees showing, and the final house on the block where a man called Len lived with his wife. Looking into the distance there are other buildings of the same era so this pic was taken before the high rises were built. Pic could be 1954-55. Samp's first pic shows a view from the front of these final three houses

2nd pic is Joey Charnock who lived three doors away (his house had a garden!). He's standing in the doorway of St Peter's School yard with the upper railed yard behind him. The newly built high rise flats are visible in the background.

3rd pic is taken at 79/81 Roscommon St where we lived. next to Rossy School. The window ledge has taken a bit of a hammering (explained in pic1).
Cheers,
Chas

[Ged]

Great pics Chas, here's the one you were after, hope you recognise someone.

Back Roscommon Street 24/8/65

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/428/backroscommonst1545frnw.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/backroscommonst1545frnw.jpg/)



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[chasevans]

Found a few photos that relate to my brother's time at St Peters. I'll ask him to identify the other pupils.
Cheers,
Chas

[hmtmaj]

Just spotted this thread and although not from the area, I do enjoy seeing the pics and reading about life back then ( well just before my time ! ) thanks to all.

[Ged]

Sackville Street old and new. Taken in 1960 showing what was to be lost and the new heights going up on Garibaldi street which took their names from Italian reformists. Pic from Liverpool Echo archives.


http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2482/sackvillest1961echo.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/i/sackvillest1961echo.jpg/)

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[chasevans]

Hi Ged,
I've been away from the computer for a while, great photo of Sackville St. I finally got around to finishing "In a city living, 3" and did enjoy it. Best wishes,
Chas:)

[Ged]

Thanks Chas, very much appreciated mate.

[PETER E]

Hi,
I am new to this site can you please tell me the names of the 2 boys sat down holding the ball, i went to Sackville St between 1958 and 1964.
Cheers
Peter E.

[chasevans]

Hi Peter E,
The photos were taken by my brother, I'll ask him to identify the lads. Apologies for my late reply.
I've just been to LRO and have requested a lot of pics that were donated by Mr Bookless (god bless him). The quality is variable but it's great to know that he had the foresight to have them preserved. I found one photograph of the premises where I was brought up in Roscommon Street, and a few others of Rossy, back Rossy etc. which I will post online when I receive them.
Regards to all, the Roscommon St search continues.
Best wishes,
Chas:rolleyes:

[Samp]

Hello Chas.

Its pure luck that I have logged on tonight, I am not on the site very often these days. I see you are still looking for old rossie photos.

If you can call down to the 'Shewsy club' in Langrove St any Friday morning from 10.30am to 12.30, there is a group of us there who are recording the history of the club. There are plenty of photos to see and maybe there is something of interest to you.

Hope you can make it sometime, just ask for the archive team!

Cheers.

[chasevans]

Hi Samp.
Good to hear from you, I got your message today (Friday) and I can't make it. Is next week (Friday 8th July) an option?
Many thanks,
Chas:)

[Ged]

Hi Chas. In Samp's absence I know he won't mind me replying that it's every friday.

[chasevans]

Bosso, Ged,
Do you know of any access restrictions as I'll be in my wheelchair, the last time I was there I was fairly mobile ( and my car was taken and found around the corner undamaged, but that's another story)? Can I save any photos to a USB device or do I have to photograph them individually?
Thanks for all your help in the past,
Chas

[chasevans]

Some pics I got fro LRO. They were left by Mr Bookless the headmaster of the school in 1972.
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I've used a photo program to automatically enhance the contrast and brightness after discarding the colour info which was the brown colour of age. Apart from that the photos are untouched.:noid:
Regards to Samp and Ged etc. for their encouragement in the past,
Chas

[chasevans]

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Regards,
Chas

[Ged]

Well done Chas, brilliant those.

[chasevans]

Thanks Ged,
There are a few more photos from the school that were saved by Mr Bookless (headmaster) in 1972. He's now dead but his wife is in a care home in Wigan. Today I got a return call from his son,Don, who knew nothing about the folder his dad had left in LRO. I told him about Yo Liverpool and says he'll get his son to look it up.
Regards,
Chas

[chasevans]

Here are 3 more St Peters pics, thanks go to Mr Bookless and LRO. They appear to be of the St Peters centenary in 1957? I haven't mentioned it before but the photos are from a mixture of newspaper and holiday snapshots etc. More on their way after they've been digitally cleaned.
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[Samp]

Hello Chas!

Once again I have just logged on at an odd moment and noticed your photos. On the first batch of photos, the next to last photo, shows Stanley Coleman sitting in the middle, his older brother Ray was in our class and I knew the family well. His oldest brother was John Coleman, who was a mate of my older brother. Both Stan and John are dead now. I did see Ray a couple of years ago and we had a few pints for old times sake. The last photo in the batch, shows a couple of my relations. The lad with the ball between his legs is Alf Shaw. the lad to the left of the goalie, is a relative, Freddy Wood. He still lives in the area of Salisbury Street. The teacher is Mr Milroy who started in Sackville St when I was there.

Regarding the visit to the club, I hope you did not turn up on Friday 8th as it was the annual visit by the club to Shrewsbury School. I will be there next week, hope you can make it. There is wheelchair access at the club.

Cheers.

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Here are 3 more St Peters pics, thanks go to Mr Bookless and LRO. They appear to be of the St Peters centenary in 1957? I haven't mentioned it before but the photos are from a mixture of newspaper and holiday snapshots etc. More on their way after they've been digitally cleaned.
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Hello Chas.

We have got that first photo at the club. sitting on the front row, far right, is the famous 'Nitty Nora' Who used to call to the school and search your head for head lice. If you were unfortunate to have a few dozen or so, you were sent to the clinic in Plumton Street to get your head soaked in some terrible concoction. I remember one poor girl who had most of her hair cut off, the remainder being soaked in what looked like tar oil. (Happy days!)

[chasevans]

Hi Samp,
Good to hear from you, I couldn't make it to the Shewsy last Friday but I do intend to go this week. Glad you've recognized a few schoolmates and relatives, there are close to 150 pics stored at LRO, all of them save by Mr Bookless, then headmaster. Also preserved by him is a schools inspector's report( below).
All the best,Samp,
Chas
:PDT11
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[Ged]

Samp, the clinic in Plumpton Street. Is that the old derelict Georgian building that is still there now?

[chasevans]

This is another set of photos from LRO looking up from both sides of the bottom of Roscommon - Gt. Homer Street and top of Roscommon St, Netherfield Road area .Fourth pic bears closer examination because -
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A ordinance survey map of the areas of interest showing Upper Roscommon Street And Netherfield Place, both unknown to me before now, map date is 1952 which means I would have been three!
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Peeling the 1000 layers of the onion,
Chas
:tear:
All images supplied by LRO

[chasevans]

Where is it? Some pics at LRO are filed as Roscommon St but I can't be precise on their actual location.
Here's one where the only identifying feature is a painting of a cow on wall (near RH side). Presumably a dairy, might ring a few bells!
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No idea for pic 2, below.I've captioned it " Rossy area- to the left mum & two kids, streetlight, a dog is to the right" Pic 3 shows the same end house from a different angle. Pic 4 should be recognizable by the street sign. To the left a coal man delivers to the soon to be "Desolation Row"


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All pics LRO source.
Cheers,
Chas
:rolleyes:

[GeorgePorgie]

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[chasevans]

Higham Street, Roscommon St, I'll post two more of this site of an accident tomorrow.
Ta George,
Regards,
Chas

[Ged]

You'll known Netherfield Place when you see a pic of it Chas. It's the classic Netherfield Road photo of the stepped terrace shown here, 6th photo down.


http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/?s=netherfield

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Did you look on the reverse of the photos Chas as they're normally captioned.

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I also notice Chas that on your last pic, Leander Street is possibly the name of the street in the background which although the Everton area, it is not covered on your Rossy area map. Perhaps you just got an Everton CPO area folder out?

[GeorgePorgie]

Leander Street is possibly the name of the street in the background which although the Everton area

Brownlow hill area to be exact,Ged.

[Ged]

Leander Road then ;)

[GeorgePorgie]

Behave yerself,Ged...yer should know by now that roads where only named when they where longish? and streets where named because of them being shorter than roads.

its a street and possibly mixed up with the wrong file?

[Ged]

Maybe.

[chasevans]

You'll known Netherfield Place when you see a pic of it Chas. It's the classic Netherfield Road photo of the stepped terrace shown here, 6th photo down.

http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/?s=netherfield
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You're right,I have seen that pic,Ged. Looking at it I should have realized the terraced area was really not part of Netherfield Road.
Three gold stars and you're the milk monitor this week.:PDT11

Any thoughts about Upper Roscommon st?
Captions
I did see some references in pencil, but the first two I came across were definitely wrong. Caption said Roscommon Street and they were obviously back Roscommon Street. Didn't take much notice after that. As far as I know these photos were somehow stored under Roscommon St.
Wrong folders
Could be right, that's why I said I was not familiar with the streets. There were some pics showing failing brickwork that I didn't recognize, just close ups that could have been anywhere. I only chose the pics that might be familiar to people,
Cheers, Ged,
Chas
:PDT11

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[QUOTE=GeorgePorgie;352136]Behave yerself,Ged...yer should know by now that roads where only named when they where longish? and streets where named because of them being shorter than roads.

its a street and possibly mixed up with the wrong file?
George,
I think you and Ged are both correct. Leander Street is listed in Kellys 1963 but no occupants. I'm a bit vague at the best of times, what stands there now?
Regards,
Chas
:PDT11

[chasevans]

George,
Here's the two additional pics of the accident scene in Rossy. There is a total of 3 stored as one clip. Thanks to LRO and Roger Hull in particular for the enlargements.
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First pic shows house where I lived (next to Rossy school playground),pic taken from Higham St.
Second pic is taken from Rossy towards Higham Street, Might have been taken from just outside our house. I can recall the men gathering on a Sunday morning to play pitch and toss on this waste ground, although the ground was a lot firmer then, in fact in summer it bloomed with dandelions. The olla ( ?) was an ideal place to start a game of kick the can (lallyo) , lots of entries and side streets to hide in. I recall the lamp post shown here, a piece of rope left constantly dangling to swing on.At lighting up time the lighter upper would turn on the lamp ( 1950's, was this job still being done?), a little later the Teds would gather around it. Never any trouble, aaah, those were the days.
Melancholy gets you when you least expect it,
Chas

[chasevans]

Here are more pics on the St Peter's Centenary (1957).
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Thanks for looking.
Regards,
Chas
:noid:

I've just spotted myself and my old mate Eddy Quinn leading the procession in the first pic, Eddy's in long cecks and all my mam got me was a dicky bow!!!! :$ik:

[Ged]

Leander Road then ;)


Replying to myself that having looked again, it's probably Landseer Road, Everton.

[GeorgePorgie]

Nope! its deffo "Leander",Ged

[chasevans]

It's definitely Leander Street which is listed as L3 in Kellys. I don't know how I was given the picture, but it was somehow listed under Roscommon St. The records office have mixed them up somehow.
Cheers Ged and George
Chas
:noid:

[chasevans]

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Frogs and snails and puppy dogs tails, that's wot little boys are made of.

I just add that it was a different age. As far as I know I'm not in the "Zulu" photograph, I am sure there would be no racism intent and re-enacting Rourke's Drift would be a part of history for many.
I recall one girl in my class being of Indian/ Pakistani origin, I'm sure she would support me and St Peters.
Regards,
Chas
:nod:

[chasevans]

Another set of photos from St Peters,these have a holiday theme. I recall going to Colomendy and hiking in Derbyshire. I'll add further info if anyone supplies it.
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[chasevans]

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!st pic I may have posted before, next 3 are from the girls part of the school.it's funny, I can't remember any sex discrimination at that time but there may have been lessons like dance that were the girls subject, us lads doing sports. I know that rounders was played by all the school. There are some faces in the final pic that seem to be.... June McGuiness and Janet Holden. Such a long time ago....
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This 1st pic shows teachers including Mr Bookless, final pic shows the school trooping through the streets again, little boy near back with dickie bow is my brother Ronnie.
Regards,
Chas:D

[Mazisbad]

Some pics I got fro LRO. They were left by Mr Bookless the headmaster of the school in 1972.
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I've used a photo program to automatically enhance the contrast and brightness after discarding the colour info which was the brown colour of age. Apart from that the photos are untouched.:noid:
Regards to Samp and Ged etc. for their encouragement in the past,
Chas

Hi there. I'm not sure if you can help or not but this picture in particular has made me stop in my tracks...

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21842&d=1309635678

My dad went to that school around that time, his name was Alan Baker. On the picture it has the name A.Baker. I'm not sure if its the one holding the sign or the person behind him as they both have a look of him but I was wondering if you have any more info on this picture? Or any more pictures like this from around the same time frame? I lost my dad in 2005 and my mum in 2008 and unfortunately I don't really have that many people I can go to and ask for information. I don't have any pictures of my dad as a child, only my mum.. So any help or advice would be greatly appreciated by any of you.

Thank you

Maria.

[John Ambrose]

I've just come across YoLiverpool and saw this thread so registered so I can upload these pictures.
We lived in 41 Back Roscommon Street, three doors down from St Peter's. I was born in 1954, my brother Alan in 1956 and we left in 1966 to go to Cantril Farm. I'd already moved to the John Hamilton High in 1965 and continued there until 1972.

These family snapshots give a hint as to how small and dark our street was, in the shadow of Rossy School. Chas, is that the "stable" at the back of your house, next to Rossie playground?

There's the only class photo I have, taken in Miss Mather's around 1959. Either the photographer didn't have a wide angle lens or the photo has been trimmed as so many children are cut out of it. I'd be made up to see a larger version if one exists.

Anyway, I hope these photos are of interest.

Great website; all the hardwork and time spent running it is appreciated.

John Ambrose




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[chasevans]

Hi John,
It's great to hear from you. Pictures are great, absolutely astounded by the stable view. Yes, that was our stables. You've made my day. I've got lots of other pics retrieved from LRO of St Peters. I'll update this thread with them next week.
Regards,
Chas

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Hi Maria,
I'll try to reply properly later. I haven't been on the site for a while.
Best wishes,
Chas

[Ged]

Great photos John. Yes, your street was dark and narrow wasn't it.

[John Ambrose]

Hi Chas. I'm glad the photos meant something to you. I scanned all of our family photos a couple of years ago; they're from the days when only one print was made, and the negatives were never kept, so there never was a chance of sharing them. Isn't the internet great? If I get the chance I'll ask my cousins if they have any I can scan. In our very small street both my dad's and mother's parents lived, as well as two of my paternal aunties (surnames Haver, Coleman, Routledge ) so there is a good chance you were mates with at least some of them. The picture of St Peter's cricket and football teams in 1956 both have my cousin Stan Coleman in them, and possibly his brother Ray. If I get any more pictures I'll post them. By the way, your Roscommon Street neighbour Joey Charnock's family is related to my mother. A very small world then.

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Hi Ged. Yes, dark, and windy too. Somewhere in the LRO is a document from the 1930s about the rebuilding of Rossy School causing a loss of light to the top of our street.

Forgive me if I'm duplicating anything that is elsewhere on the site (I'm new here) but some filming was done in St Peter's in 1964 for their programme "The Singing City" which is available on the BBC website in their archive section. Here's a link to the programme. Only a very short piece of the filming was used, but there are clips of Mr Newton, and one of girls skipping in the playground.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/mersey/5183.shtml

Best wishes to all, and thanks again for the site.

John

[chasevans]

Hi Chas. I'm glad the photos meant something to you. I scanned all of our family photos a couple of years ago; they're from the days when only one print was made, and the negatives were never kept, so there never was a chance of sharing them. Isn't the internet great? If I get the chance I'll ask my cousins if they have any I can scan. In our very small street both my dad's and mother's parents lived, as well as two of my paternal aunties (surnames Haver, Coleman, Routledge ) so there is a good chance you were mates with at least some of them. The picture of St Peter's cricket and football teams in 1956 both have my cousin Stan Coleman in them, and possibly his brother Ray. If I get any more pictures I'll post them. By the way, your Roscommon Street neighbour Joey Charnock's family is related to my mother. A very small world then.

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Hi Ged. Yes, dark, and windy too. Somewhere in the LRO is a document from the 1930s about the rebuilding of Rossy School causing a loss of light to the top of our street.

Forgive me if I'm duplicating anything that is elsewhere on the site (I'm new here) but some filming was done in St Peter's in 1964 for their programme "The Singing City" which is available on the BBC website in their archive section. Here's a link to the programme. Only a very short piece of the filming was used, but there are clips of Mr Newton, and one of girls skipping in the playground.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/mersey/5183.shtml

Best wishes to all, and thanks again for the site.

John
Hi John,
I was mate's with both Jimmy and Kenny Routledge. I recall many summer evenings spent on the Routledge's doorstep while the sun wet down. Kenny playing skiffle songs on his acoustic guitar ("Tom Dooley" , "Freight Train", echoing through the street). I also remember their elder sister, Ann, was she a typist?.
The cousin's who lived farther down towards Portland Place were a bit older than Jimmy or Kenny, still they'd have a game of football or cricket with us in that same back street. I think we'd follow the normal games seasons, even managing to fit tennis into the year's agenda. We never tried skiing or sledging when snow fell, snow was too precious to a young kid's mind.
Probably gilding the lily to some, but heck, I am 63 this year.
Best wishes, John, my next post will include memories of Joey Charnock, looking forward to your post.
Chas:PDT11