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A stretch of the Leeds-Liverpool Canal on the Mersey waterfront is to be rebuilt with a £7m government grant.
The waterway between Stanley Docks and the South Docks was lost when the Royal Liver Building was built on the Georges Dock in the early 20th century.
The project received an Objective One European cash grant and will create nearly 200 new jobs.
Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott said the restoration plan was "great news" for the people of Liverpool.
Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4258328.stm)
lindylou
09-19-2005, 10:02 PM
Brilliant news, it will be great.
Minister backs 'X-wing' plans
CULTURE Secretary Tessa Jowell gave a massive vote of confidence to the £65m museum proposed for Liverpool's waterfront on a flying visit to the city.
During an update by Capital of Culture leaders yesterday, she was shown a model of the planned landmark building at Mann Island and declared it looked "beautiful."
The architecturally striking museum - which detractors claim resembles a Star Wars X-wing fighter - will provide 10,000 square metres of exhibition space, dedicated to the city's social history and development from the Norman conquest to the present day.
It is earmarked for part of the site which was due to be occupied by the ill-fated Fourth Grace project.
Ms Jowell said: "The museum will be beautiful and functional, and a new landmark for Liverpool.
"I hope in time it will be a building people will love."
Ms Jowell said she was confident this project would go ahead, after the spectacular collapse of the Fourth Grace scheme last year.
"The vast bulk of the money has already been raised, and everything is ready to start on site in April next year," she said..
"It is properly thought through and ready to go."
National Museums Liverpool (NML) chairman Loyd Grossman, who showed Ms Jowell the model for the building, said he was confident the museum would be built by 2008.
However, it is not due to be open to the public until the next year.
Mr Grossman said: "We are striving to create one of the great museums of the world, and one of the first great museums of the 21st century. It will make a major contribution to the public realm. We want it to be a place that Liverpool people feel they own."
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Paul D
09-28-2005, 04:58 PM
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I think people hate the idea of this on the waterfront but like everything else it will become accepted in the future,remember the liver building caused uproar when that was first revealed.
From what I've read, it looks like this will happen, so lets embrace it eh?
lindylou
09-28-2005, 07:08 PM
It might look better in real life, but it's not what I would have chosen. This design isn't very unusual or exciting. It looks too much like a multiplex cinema or large swimming baths or something.
Very disappointing. Looks like it should belong on retail park.
The Cloud was much more interesting.
I like it makes it look cool and 21st century. Is the water bit supposed to be a canal?
Paul D
09-29-2005, 06:07 AM
I like it makes it look cool and 21st century. Is the water bit supposed to be a canal?
Yes that's the proposed canal link we're getting.
I hope the canal bit comes off without a hitch
Wonder if the water will look as clean as the computer image has it. :lol:
Wonder if the water will look as clean as the computer image has it. :lol:
Haha, complete with comedy black binbags and shopping trollies :unibrow:
lindylou
09-29-2005, 02:41 PM
I'm all for the canal. It will look great. Still not sure about that building though. As I said, maybe it will look better in real life. I know it's a very modern building, and I don't have a problem with that, it's just that it looks more like a cinema on a retail park to me. I would have liked something really unusual and striking.
What is that building supposed to have in it?
AMBITIOUS plans for a £20m restoration of the Port of Liverpool Building at the Pier Head will soon become reality.
It follows approval of the scheme by the city council's planning committee.
A sixth level, dismantled after World War II damage, will be restored to provide 18 luxury apartments in what is one of the most recognisable buildings in the world.
The landmark scheme will see major internal and external works to restore the Grade II-listed building to its original glory.
The restoration will also expand the building's use beyond an office complex, improving public access to what was the first of the Pier Head's famous Three Graces to be built.
The new features of the rejuvenated building will include:
* a sunken piazza providing a small parade of restaurants, cafes and shops on the riverside front of the building;
* a new floor created inside the huge dome, also allowing public access outside the dome;
* a new roof level which reflects the design of the original mansard roof;
* space for up 18 apartments, expected to be among the most prestigious in the city centre;
* the existing car park will be replaced and cars relegated to an underground car park
* extensive repairs and restoration of the exterior Portland stone;
* complete interior restoration of the central atrium, re-admitting daylight for the first time since the 1940s blackout.
The investment in the restored and enhanced building will be made possible by the addition of a slate roof extension behind the existing parapet, re-creating the details lost as a result of war damage.
The proposals have been produced by award-winning conservation architects Donald Insall Associates, who were also responsible for the restoration of Liverpool town hall and Windsor Castle.
Sally O'Brien, a director of the building's owners, Downing Developments, said: "We are delighted to be able to proceed with our plans.
"We are proud guardians of this historic building and it is our sincere intent to both protect the Port of Liverpool building for future generations and to allow it to enjoy more of a central role in the public life of the city."
The project is widely regarded as a major catalyst for the Pier Head, recapturing the area for the public as a vibrant and safe place.
It is anticipated that the restoration will be complete in time for 2007, which is both the 800th anniversary of Liverpool's founding charter by King John and the 100th birthday of the Port of Liverpool Building.
Talks will now be held with the Port of Liverpool's tenants, which include the investment management company Rathbone Brothers and the freight group FWL Technologies, to schedule works so that they minimise disruption for those working in the building.
larryneild@dailypost.co.uk
Paul D
10-18-2005, 02:18 PM
I like the sound of the public access outside the dome bit,what a view that will provide.;)
OMG! :doubt:
LIVERPOOL's new £67m museum may not get off the ground because of an historic law banning tall buildings on the waterfront.
National Museums Liverpool (NML) want to construct a new Museum of Liverpool Life alongside the Three Graces at the Pier Head.
But the scheme is now in doubt after the discovery of a legal covenant which blocks buildings of more than 43ft high on the Mann Island site.
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However - A £20m project to create 18 luxury apartments in the Grade IIlisted Port of Liverpool building has already won council backing. :sad:
Scousemouse
10-26-2005, 06:46 PM
LIVERPOOL's new £67m museum may not get off the ground because of an historic law banning tall buildings on the waterfront
Jeez, doesn't anybody check out the legalities, before they start?
As for the building itself Thunderbirds are go!
What is it (was it) going to be built of — if it's just a concrete monstrosity won't it look great in a few years time, streaked with the crap that we breath in daily (remember the black Liver Buildings)?. Will the canal really look like that? Not a hope. Just wait until some tiddleywink drowns in it, (compo claims galore) then we'll get some bloody ugly railings around it, and who is going to fish out all the crap that will be blowing around the Pier Head. Yeah, negative comments maybe, but does anybody think of these things? ...Please refer to above quote.
P.S. FAO Max, In answer to your question, OLD CRAP, that's what goes into museums. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Cynical!, CYNICAL... who's bloody cynical? :evil:
Ste Birmingham
11-09-2005, 04:29 AM
Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo writes: Will an obscure law wreck plans for city's waterfront museum?
I do hope so.
Now ‘The Cloud’ has collapsed, the area between the Albert Dock and Port of Liverpool building should be left vacant. There is much to admire there as things stand.
Clearly, this new proposal isn’t fit to fill the space.
LIVERPOOL'S Albert Dock will become a thriving waterway with more than 4,500 boats cruising along it every year, experts last night predicted.
Construction of the new canal link will connect it up to Britain's inland waterway network, for the first time since the 19th century, when it opens.
It will make Liverpool a major destination for boaters and will also allow yachts as well narrowboats to come into the city.
And it will lead to the canal's classification being raised from remaindered to cruising status, to reflect its new importance.
David Cochrane, head of regeneration at British Waterways, said: "This will make Liverpool a major destination for the 25,000 licensed boaters in this country.
"We anticipate more than 4,500 a year will come to the docks. At the moment there are only about 40 using that stretch.
"At the moment, the area is lacking in vitality and animation. This link will make it a lively, vibrant place to be. "The boats will be brought in through Sefton and will help regenerate the whole area.
"The only way to access the dock at the moment is using the river, which is difficult and dangerous.
"This is going to benefit all of Merseyside and will be ready for 2008."
Plans to extend the Leeds-Liverpool canal through the Pier Head were approved by the city council last April.
The £15m route will be cut from the canal's present terminus at Trafalgar Dock through to Canning Dock, running past the Three Graces.
It will finally open up the Pier Head to barges and ultimately allow narrow boats into the Albert Dock water system.
The western end of the canal, from Aintree to Stanley Dock, Liverpool, has been legally classified as a "remainder" waterway for the past 40 years, with only minimal facilities being provided for leisure boaters.
The wharves and warehouses of its former terminus near Pall Mall were closed in the 1960s.
Only 30-40 boats annually make the journey to Liverpool's Stanley Dock, with even fewer navigating their way to the derelict docks area using the River Mersey.
There are also plans for towpath and security improvements.
The whole scheme is is expected to be completed by September, 2007, and is being funded by the North West Development Agency and European Objective 1 money.
Chris Davies, a former Liverpool councillor and a canal enthusiast, who has worked closely with British Waterways on the scheme, said: "I can remember when there was talk of having the canal filled in as a danger and public nuisance. It was hidden away and many people thought it neither use nor ornament.
"Now it looks as though the waterway, which brought coal and trade to Merseyside in the 19th century, is going to prove a very attractive asset in the 21st century. It's going to give a boost to regeneration efforts in Sefton and the North of the city."
samlister@dailypost.co.uk
Howie
12-05-2005, 02:40 PM
Sounds great - if it happens! :doubt:
lindylou
12-05-2005, 07:07 PM
It would look so nice, I hope it they do it.
Go-ahead hope for museum
LIVERPOOL'S new £67m waterfront museum took a step closer to reality today.
City planners recommend the futuristic building, earmarked for the former site of the doomed Fourth Grace, is approved by the council next week.
But a dispute between the museum and the owner of the neighbouring Port of Liverpool building means a question mark still hangs over the scheme.
:rolleyes:
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The city council's planning committee is being recommended by planning managers to give the go-ahead to National Museums Liverpool scheme for a new world-class museum on the waterfront.
At the same meeting the committee is being asked to approve British Waterways' new canal link (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=628) between Stanley Dock and Albert Dock.
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THE latest plans for an iconic building on Liverpool's Pier Head were thrown into serious doubt last night after a ****ing report by architectural experts. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16503997%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=waterfront%2dmuseum%2dfaces%2dunesco%2d attack-name_page.html)
:sad::rolleyes:
Howie
12-20-2005, 01:24 PM
Councillors to visit museum site
Planning chiefs from Liverpool council are due to visit the site of a museum planned at the Pier Head.
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:doubt:
LIVERPOOL'S new £67m waterfront museum was today backed by city planners.
The futuristic building, earmarked for the former site of the doomed Fourth Grace, was given a glowing endorsement by councillors.
They described the new X-shaped building, which will replace the ageing Museum of Liverpool Life, as "tremendous".
National Museums Liverpool (NML) says it will house around 16,000 objects, charting the city's development from the Norman conquest to the present day.
Director David Fleming said: "We want to make a major contribution to the regeneration of the historic waterfront...... (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/breakingnews/tm_objectid=16505665%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=planners%2dback%2d%2d67m%2dcity%2dmuseu m%2dbid-name_page.html)
A museum on Liverpool's waterfront has caused a furore. Sam Lister reports more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16507936%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=x%2dshaped%2d%2dfifth%2dgrace%2d%2d%2da %2dthreat%2dto%2dheritage%2dsite-name_page.html)
Scousemouse
12-22-2005, 06:25 PM
Mr Colquhoun, of Liverpool Preservation Trust, said: "Next to our gentle Edwardian ladies they want to put a trashy tart.
'Nuff said!
Work has begun on the long planned extension to the Leeds-Liverpool canal providing a link with the south docks system.
British Waterways received approval from Liverpool City Council for the new 2.5 kilometre (1.4 mile) canal linking the docks to the rest of the country’s canals.
Canal boats as well as commercial ships will be able to navigate through the terminus at Stanley Dock and towards the Pier Head.
Work on the new waterway is due to be completed by the end of 2007 in readiness for Liverpool’s 800th anniversary and the Capital of Culture celebrations in 2008.
The Deputy Prime Minister, John Prescott who was promoting the Canal links as part of the Northern Way initiative last year said it was fitting that the canal link be restored as northern cities start to rebuild their links and work together.
He said: "The Leeds & Liverpool Canal was once the backbone of the northern economy. Over the last decade we have seen a renaissance for our waterways, with increased investment and regeneration work, led by British Waterways, bringing waterway life and a great leisure facility back to the people."
An estimate by British Waterways claims that the link will attract and extra 200,000 visitors to Liverpool as well as an additional £1.9 million. The canal link will also generate an extra 200 jobs in the Merseyside area.
Robin Evans chief executive of British Waterways said: "We are thrilled that funding for the Liverpool Canal Link has been secured.
more (http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2006/01/09/canal_waterfront_feature.shtml)
The iconic building planned to replace the Fourth Grace is in jeopardy after lottery funding was rejected. Have your say... :rolleyes:
Howie
01-26-2006, 12:04 AM
I just can't be bothered commenting on this or the antics at the Town Hall. I think I'll go to W.H.Smith tomorrow to buy a copy of Learn Yourself Geordie and a map of Newcastle and Gateshead. :disgust:
Howie
01-26-2006, 12:23 AM
Okay, maybe I'll stay and get a job as a sales assistant in a designer store (I could always supplement the low wages by cleaning luxury apartments). That is, of course, if there is anywhere affordable left to live once the inner city has been demolished. Capital of Culture - my arse! :mad:
THE director of National Museums Liverpool will attempt to build his new museum on the city's waterfront by 2008 - despite being refused crucial Lottery millions yesterday. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16628449%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=nml%2dseeks%2ddeal%2dto%2dsave%2dmuseum %2dplan-name_page.html)
* had a feeling this would turn out like this :rolleyes: Once they were going to close the Museum of Liverpool Life that was it for me. Someone wants a casino on that site, I'm tellin ya :evil:
Update: POLITICIANS today rallied to back the waterfront Museum of Liverpool after the multi-million pound lottery bid failed. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16630561%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=mp%2din%2dtalks%2dhope%2dover%2dmuseum% 2dcrisis-name_page.html)
The Echo asks the question whether the building is right for The Pier Head. (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16647381%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=is%2dthe%2dx%2dmuseum%2dright%2dfor%2dc ity%2ds%2dpier%2dhead%2d-name_page.html)
What do u think?
NATIONAL Museums Liverpool is pressing ahead with plans for its new riverside museum despite last week's funding blow. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16658488%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=museum%2dmarble%2dput%2dto%2dmersey%2dw eather%2dtest%2d-name_page.html)
Howie
02-02-2006, 09:56 PM
1,000 tonnes of tram line rusting away on a dock in Humberside, slabs of marble weathering on Merseyside. Do I detect a theme? :rolleyes:
Howie
04-19-2006, 09:28 AM
Waterfront museum faces day of destiny
Apr 19 2006
By Deborah James Daily Post Staff
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THE fate of contentious plans to build an iconic X-shaped museum on Liverpool's waterfront is to be decided tomorrow.
The board of the North West Development Agency will meet to decide whether National Museums Liverpool will receive a crucial £32m grant.
NML director Dr David Fleming has until then to convince the NWDA board he will find the rest of the funding for the £67m Mann Island scheme, dubbed the "Fifth Grace".
It comes three months after Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell announced the Heritage Lottery Fund had rejected NML's bid for a key £11.4m to finance the interior of the building.
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About time........
Development chiefs have rubber stamped approval for almost £33m of funding for a new museum on Liverpool's waterfront.
The Museum of Liverpool will be built on the Mann Island site at Pier Head to replace the Museum of Liverpool Life.
The North West Development Agency's (NWDA) £32.7m grant will cover about half of the funding for the £67m Capital of Culture project.
In January, a bid for £11.4m to finance the interior of the building was turned down by the Heritage Lottery Fund.
Spectacular addition
The NWDA said the decision on Thursday marked a significant step forward for the scheme.
Steven Broomhead, chief executive of the NWDA, said: "The NWDA is committed to the development of the Mann Island site and believes that the proposed Museum of Liverpool will make a spectacular addition to the Mersey Waterfront as well as significantly boosting the cultural offer in Liverpool.
"This scheme will make an important contribution to the economic development and regeneration of Liverpool, Merseyside and the North West region as a whole."
The futuristic X-shaped building will provide a larger exhibition space to house the urban history collection, currently at the Museum of Liverpool Life.
Exhibits will cover social history and popular culture and will look at Britain and the world through the eyes of Liverpool. :celb (6)::celb (23)::snf (41):
Howie
04-20-2006, 10:15 PM
What's happening with the canal link that was going to run under the museum building? I can't find any recent news. Was the funding confirmed? :question:
I've heard work has already started, just not at The Pier Head end.
An economic study identified the following key benefits of the link:
·An estimated 200,000 extra visitors annually to the Liverpool Waterfront who will generate an additional £1.9 million tourism spend each year.
·More than 4,500 boat visits each year.
·An estimated £2.2 million in expenditure annually from boating-related activity.
·Nearly 200 additional local jobs. An increase in property prices in the immediate link area and the wider canal corridor
(http://www.waterscape.com/)
Howie
04-20-2006, 10:27 PM
Good news. Maybe when the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister and our local Lib-Dem council have finished demolishing Kensington I'll be able to get a narrowboat to live on. :rolleyes:
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Howie
04-21-2006, 09:06 AM
Work to start on new city museum
Apr 21 2006
By Sam Lister Daily Post Staff
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WORK will start on Liverpool's iconic X-shaped museum within six months, beginning the biggest transformation of the city's historic waterfront for a century.
The controversial Museum of Liverpool project was yesterday given £32.7m by regeneration officials - enough to cover the exterior construction costs.
Museums director David Fleming last night hailed the building as "the city's first 21st-century masterpiece", and said it was time for the city to be "bold and brave."
The museum's future had appeared to be decidedly shaky in recent months after the Government turned down a bid for £11m of Lottery funding to fit out the interior.
But yesterday's crucial support from the Northwest Regional Development Agency (NWDA) means the Mann Island development - an 11th-hour replacement for the doomed Fourth Grace - should be ready by February, 2008.
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Quick Draw Howie :celb (23): By By Porche garage - Hello Liverpool Life!!
Did anyone else notice the lack of media coverage of this on the news?
Interesting:
THE new museum will provide 5,000 square metres of exhibition space with regularly changing exhibitions.
It will be divided into four sections - Port City,, Global City, My Liverpool and Expressive City.
The main gallery will explore stories about the people living and working underneath the rails of the Overhead Railway and will feature an original third class Overhead Railway carriage, suspended above the gallery at its working height.
Also located on the ground floor will be the 200-capacity Liverpool Theatre showcasing productions by local film makers, writers and artists.
Plans for the first floor include the History Hub, a resource centre housing more than 10,000 objects from the NML collections.
On the second floor, in the People's City gallery the centrepiece will be the model of the proposed Liverpool Catholic Cathedral by architect Edwin Lutyens which was never built.
The city's footballing history will also get its own exhibition.
Also....feature the famous Lion steam locomotive as its centrepiece. The Lion is famous for being the last surviving steam locomotive which followed the success of The Rocket on the Liverpool to Manchester line.
What happens next
APRIL: An application to the Treasury will be made asking for permission for NML to accept the NWDA grant. It is a rubber stamping procedure.
MAY: Public sector funding of £7.5m from the European Regional Development Fund has been reserved for the project but NML must now go back to ask for the decision to be confirmed.
JUNE: A second bid for the £11.4m (15% of the overall project) will be submitted to the HLF in July but a decision will not be made until next January.
SEPTEMBER: Building work starts on the Mann Island Site.
:celb (23)::celb (6):
Paul D
04-22-2006, 04:19 PM
I made up we've got the funding sorted which will build the exterior of the building and the lottery money we are reapplying for will fit it out,so hopefully we wont have a problem getting the heritage lottery fund this time now the NWDA have showed so much confidence in the scheme.We need to bring the Waterfront back to life and this is a great start.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
I'm sure that the area will deffo be the place to be in the next few years, for everyone, will become part of a day trip into town. Its been detactched for too long, that plus The Albert Dock.
Would you try to live there one day Kev?:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:
Would you try to live there one day Kev?:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:
Yes, i will set up a two man tent next to the liver birds for me and......u perhaps? lol
Howie
05-08-2006, 02:36 PM
What's happening with the canal link that was going to run under the museum building? I can't find any recent news. Was the funding confirmed? :question:
Canal link to cities' birthdays
May 8 2006
By Catherine Jones Culture Reporter, Liverpool Echo
THE Liverpool to Leeds canal will join two cities celebrating their 800th anniversary next year.
The Civic Trust is liaising with waterways organisations and groups at both ends of the waterway to mark the dual anniversaries during 2007.
At 127 miles, the canal is the longest in Britain, linking two of the north's most historic cities which both gained their royal charters from King John in 1207.
There are proposals to extend the canal through to the Albert Dock with new navigable channels excavated through the currently infilled Trafalgar Dock and across the Pier Head.
Now there are plans to use the whole canal as a focal point for a series of events both in Liverpool and Leeds and in towns and villages along the route during 2007.
Meetings have been held between the Civic Trust, British Waterways, the Waterways Trust, Scarman Trust and Culture Company to develop ideas.
They include an education programme, time traveller's guide to the canal, heritage book project, songs of the sea festival, a green space restoration, a football celebration aimed at youngsters, music, illustrated talks and walks and textile heritage.
The Civic Trust also celebrates its 50th anniversary next year.
Ian Harvey, from the Trust's Liverpool office, said: "The project would offer a unique opportunity to unite Leeds and Liverpool to celebrate 2007 in a joint partnership and encourage local ownership of the canal.
"It's quite a complex project. There are 15 Civic Trusts and 14 local authorities along the route and they've all expressed an interest in taking part."
But the full programme of events could cost around £300,000 to put on and funding is still to be secured.
Clare Riches, of the Waterways Trust, said: "They want to raise awareness between the two cities that they're both celebrating their 800th birthday and looking at what could potentially be done.
"We would need a canal boat which can be used on the canal, so we'd be asking if there's a keen boater out there who would like to get involved."
The Leeds and Liverpool Canal runs through Burscough, Rufford, Wigan, Blackburn, Burnley, Skipton and Shipley.
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LIVERPOOL'S most high-profile modern philanthropist last night revealed he has withdrawn his financial support from National Museums Liverpool over the controversial X-museum plans. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17096114%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=city%2dlawyer%2dcancels%2dsupport%2dove r%2d%2dmonstrosity%2d%2dmuseum-name_page.html)
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Paul D
05-18-2006, 01:46 PM
LIVERPOOL'S most high-profile modern philanthropist last night revealed he has withdrawn his financial support from National Museums Liverpool over the controversial X-museum plans. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17096114%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=city%2dlawyer%2dcancels%2dsupport%2dove r%2d%2dmonstrosity%2d%2dmuseum-name_page.html)
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:disgust: I like this development but it just seems destined not to be built.
THE planned extension of the Leeds-Liverpool Canal into the Albert Dock is set to move forward.
Councillors are being asked to grant British Waterways a long-term lease for land in front of the Three Graces at the Pier Head, so work can start on the £16m project this summer.
The extension, which will join the Canal up to the Albert Dock, is expected to attract thousands more tourists into the city.
A report to the city's executive board stresses there will be little public space lost as the majority of the canal will be in a culvert with only two open spaces opposite the Liver Building and Port of Liverpool Building.
Negotiations between British Waterways, the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company and National Museums Liverpool are being held about other stretches of land required to extend the canal.
"This is a very exciting development which will bring life and animation back to the Pier Head," said Cllr Keith Turner, executive member for resources.
"As well as leasing the land for the Canal, we are also going to improve the look and condition of the Pier Head.
"Work is planned for the public areas in time for Capital of Culture year.
"During the construction of the Canal, the public will still be able to get access to the waterfront and the ferries," he added.
"We want the Pier Head to be full of life and a real asset to the city. The waterfront is one of the most famous in the world and the canal extension will focus even more attention on it."
It is intended that construction work will start in summer of this year, and be completed by the end of next year.
The report will be considered by the Board on June 2.
* A 200-TON, 80-metre long steel truss which will form the main structural spine of the Kings Dock arena and convention centre roof will be lifted into position this afternoon.
Bob Prattey, chief executive of the Kings Dock, will use the occasion to reveal the names of some of the first bookings for the new centre, which is due to open in 2008.
deborahjames@dailypost.co.uk
Paul D
06-09-2006, 03:55 PM
LIVERPOOL museum bosses will submit anew bid for Heritage Lottery funding this week for their £67m flagship Museum of Liverpool development.
But they will press ahead and start work on the Mann Island site this September - even though the lottery funding decision won't be known until next January.
The lottery fund turned down an £11.4m bid earlier this year on the grounds that insufficient information was available on the new museum's content.
However, the scheme was boosted when regeneration body the North West Development Agency pledged £32.7m.
National Museums Liverpool director Dr David Fleming revealed afresh lottery bid is to be lodged: "We are putting the finishing touches to anew Heritage Lottery Fund bid this week. We won't know whether we will get this money until January, but we will start building anyway.
"There are still a few hurdles to overcome. There is an important decision on European funding coming up and if that goes well we will start in September.
"We are 97.5% close to making this happen. This is prettymuch **** certainly going to happen," he insisted.
Archeologists will go on site in September and, barring any significant finds that could disrupt schedules, construction work will begin in October, Mr Fleming told guests at last night's official closure of the Museum of Liverpool Life which occupies part of the new development's site. (that answers why they closed it then)
The Museum of Liverpool will be completed in 2008 but will not open to the public for another 18 months, subject to fitting out.
In the meantime the museum will go out "on the road" with exhibitions on the city's history and music planned during 2008.
Mr Fleming said the new X-shaped development, dubbed the deck chair, will be one of the top half dozen city museums in the world: "It will put the city on adifferent scale and adifferent stage."
Archeologists will go on site in September and, barring any significant finds that could disrupt schedules, construction work will begin in October, Mr Fleming told guests at last night's official closure of the Museum of Liverpool Life which occupies part of the new development's site. (that answers why they closed it then)
Surely it won't be demolished??!!
Paul D
06-09-2006, 04:01 PM
Surely it won't be demolished??!!
I can't see how they'd accomodate it in the new development if it occupies part of the site so that looks likely.
They should build around it or rebuild it as they did with the old houses outside of The Radisson
Paul D
06-10-2006, 06:58 PM
They should build around it or rebuild it as they did with the old houses outside of The Radisson
They might yet I don't know enough about it,here's a shot of the interior.
http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/2493/456fourthgracesitetofinallybef1.jpg
and an alternative view.
http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/289/456fourthgracesitetofinallybef.jpg
Paul D
06-10-2006, 09:00 PM
http://www.3xn.dk/
To view the new museum Click on English,then projects and the Museum of Liverpool(jan 05) and watch the fly through of the new museum,it's excellent.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
LIVERPOOL'S new waterfront canal has been redesigned because the original would have been boarded-up for three months a year. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17235884%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=re%2dthink%2dfor%2dcanal%2ddesign%2d-name_page.html)
A.D.Williams
06-15-2006, 02:05 PM
LIVERPOOL'S new waterfront canal has been redesigned because the original would have been boarded-up for three months a year. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17235884%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=re%2dthink%2dfor%2dcanal%2ddesign%2d-name_page.html)
'Now British Waterways have launched their search for a contractor to build the canal link, which will give barges access to the Mersey for the first time.'
I thought this would have already been done? The Pier Head should be left as a complete open space in my opinion.
Why is it now do they realise these flaws? :rolleyes:
@Dave - an open space with the canal link or without?
Hope it will be finished by 2008.
A.D.Williams
06-16-2006, 05:41 PM
@Dave - an open space with the canal link or without?
Not sure Kev, but the Pier Head is one of my favourite places in Liverpool. I'll not be happy if the spoil it by building a canal link that few people end up using!
:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:
Scousemouse
06-16-2006, 10:17 PM
If the project ever sees the light of day, I think the canal could look quite SMART. :celb (23):
(please don't read 'smart' backwards, it could be an omen!):celb (6):
If the project ever sees the light of day, I think the canal could look quite SMART. :celb (23):
(please don't read 'smart' backwards, it could be an omen!):celb (6):
@SM, did u get my pm's mate?
lindylou
06-16-2006, 10:56 PM
smart ... trams ... ha hah .. very good Scousemouse :) :)
I think a canal would look smart too. I'm all for it.
.... but now it's been mentioned, it got me thinking .. would it actually be used by many people ??
I never thought of that.
Howie
06-17-2006, 12:00 AM
I think it would be well used. There's 127 miles of the Leeds and Liverpool canal with plenty of traffic to visit Liverpool. I hope it comes off and that we eventually see the narrowboats arrive in the city centre. I also think that it would also act as a catalyst to regeneration along the canals route thru' the north end of the city.
See pics @ http://penninewaterways.co.uk/ll/ll84.htm.
Wouln't mind sitting on a canal and having my notepad for inspiration.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
The Pier Head route is mainly in a tunnel isnt it?
I think it would be well used. There's 127 miles of the Leeds and Liverpool canal with plenty of traffic to visit Liverpool. I hope it comes off and that we eventually see the narrowboats arrive in the city centre. I also think that it would also act as a catalyst to regeneration along the canals route thru' the north end of the city.
See pics @ http://penninewaterways.co.uk/ll/ll84.htm.
Some great pics in there Howie, no doubt the cleanup operation will be needed. Regeneration will hopefully be kickstarted along that route. Where else in the country can you sail leisurely along the waterway and see the magnificently huge Stanley Dock?!
Howie
06-17-2006, 06:49 PM
See also
12 - Spike Island, West Bank, Widnes to Liverpool Docks. Sankey Canal, Tidal Mersey Estuary and Liverpool Docks (http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_03/Tour03_12.html)
and
13 - Liverpool Docks to Burscough Bridge. Liverpool Docks, Stanley Dock Branch of Leeds and Liverpool Canal and Leeds and Liverpool Canal (http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/Tour_03/Tour03_13.html).
liver
06-17-2006, 08:19 PM
I love the prospect of seeing a suitable end to the canal around the Albert dock area but I think its a shame they have to fill in a dock in the process. At least if they declare a dock as home to barges they cant fill it in!
I love the prospect of seeing a suitable end to the canal around the Albert dock area but I think its a shame they have to fill in a dock in the process. At least if they declare a dock as home to barges they cant fill it in!
Hi Liver, thanks for your post and support. Welcome aboard the good ship Liverpool.
:PDT_Piratz_26:
Howie
06-21-2006, 07:30 PM
The future is a slow boat to Bootle
Jun 21 2006
The Leeds and Liverpool Canal is one of our city's most neglected assets. Now there are plans to change that with boat trips for tourists and shoppers. David Charters reports
Daily Post
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/jun2006/9/2/F6159DF7-F9B8-2AE4-658DAB93BB61BF28.jpg
THOUSANDS of people come to Liverpool to take a short boat trip. That sentence immediately suggests the famous ferries across the Mersey between the Pier Head, Birkenhead and Seacombe.
But imagine tourists sitting in rows and licking ice cream cornets on that other great stretch of water in the city, the Leeds and Liverpool Canal.
Is that just a dream, some fanciful vision of a new Venice?
"It need not be," says Ron Formby, the tireless community campaigner, as he watches swans glide along the canal, where once coloured barges chugged with cargoes of cotton and slate cut in North Wales going eastward, returning with coal and woollen goods.
His idea is for a canal boat to carry shoppers the four miles from Vauxhall in the heart of old Liverpool to the Strand shopping centre, Bootle. It is a modest enough start, but his ambition stretches into the future.
A £20m British Waterways project is already under way to extend the canal from the Stanley Dock to the Albert Dock with a cut across the Pier Head. It is hoped that it will be completed by 2008 when, as the whole world knows, Liverpool will be the European Capital of Culture.
This could be the opportunity for the city to benefit from one of its most neglected assets, as the boats would pass by the old Scotland Road area. Italians, Poles, Germans, Irish people fleeing the famine, Jews, Russians and refugees from many other countries, came here.
Some stayed. Others sailed away to make new lives for themselves in the Americas, Australia, New Zealand and Africa.
It is appropriate that his scheme should have a Venetian feel. It was in Circus, Gerard, Lionel, Whale and Christian streets that Vauxhall's Little Italy was formed in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
"The tourist potential is there for everyone to see," says Ron. "People from all over the world have connections with this part of Liverpool. We could call the boat the Spirit of Vauxhall."
And the Canal Boat Project has the backing of Louise Ellman, the MP for Liverpool Riverside. She has been working on it with Ron, the Vauxhall-based Liverpool Boat Company (http://www.liverpoolboatco.co.uk/index.html), British Waterways (http://www.britishwaterways.co.uk/home/index.html), Liverpool City Council, youth leaders and PC Les Harvey, the dedicated officer (community bobby) based at Stanley Road police station in Kirkdale, who is representing Merseyside Police.
A team of young offenders, under the guidance of Tony Forshaw, the youth restorative justice officer at the community justice centre on Boundary Street, Kirkdale, is renovating a small fibreglass river cruiser, which seats about 12 people. But the ambition is to raise money through fares and grants to buy one of the large barges made by the Liverpool Boat Company.
"We build about 350 canal boats a year," says Terry Woods, its finance manager. "They are steel boats used for leisure or for people to live on. They can be fully fitted ones or DIY ones for people to fit out themselves."
Terry says that they could supply a 42 horsepower, 50ft boat for about £20,000 with the engine, gearbox and ballast, but the team would have to furnish the interior.
Ron, from the Vauxhall Neighbourhood Council, hopes that they will eventually be able to buy a steel boat.
But the Boat Company will be able to help with the cruiser. "The knowledge we have with any technical details will be on hand for Ron. We will help him in any way we can."
"The youths are working with power tools and materials, so that we can restore the boat. Then we will hand it over to the community," says Les Harvey. "In this way, the young people are giving something back to the community."
The work is being carried out on the boat at an undisclosed location near the canal to avoid any possibility of vandalism. "She needs a complete refit inside," Les adds.
It is anticipated that the trip from Vauxhall to Bootle will take about 45 minutes.
"I have spoken to people and they think that the idea of travelling to the shops in such a leisurely way, away from the hustle and bustle, is lovely," says Jack Brotherton, an 86-year-old retired carpenter, helping with the project, who has been working on ships since 1934. "There is a bank on the canal with a good open space for passengers to get off near the shopping centre," adds Jack, who built his own house in Crosby.
He thinks that the service would be ideal for residents of the Eldonian Village on the site of the old Tate and Lyle sugar refinery which closed 25 years ago.
With the group discussing the project is Steve Higham, economic and social development officer with British Waterways. "It will be popular, but it needs establishing," he says. "Half the problem with the canal in Liverpool is that people don't know it's there. But finance is not something we have really addressed yet."
An application for the Canal Bird Life project, incorporating the boat scheme, has already been submitted to the Big Lottery Fund People's Millions competition, in which ITV viewers will choose 90 projects to receive £50,000 each.
The idea is to have the canal boat service running by 2008. It has grown from the successful Bird Life Project, which is turning part of the canal into a wildlife sanctuary, and the Tourism in Vauxhall campaign, which draws the attention of visitors to attractions such as the Tobacco warehouse on the world's largest brick building on Great Howard Street.
It is 14 storeys tall and has 27m bricks.
Canal clean-up programmes are held on the canal on the final Wednesday of every month.
Parish records are stored on computers in St Anthony's Parish Church, Scotland Road, which celebrated its bicentenary in 2004. This has become an attraction for overseas visitors whose families have Liverpool roots.
"A canal barge could operate for sight-seeing and shopping excursions up to the Bootle Strand," says Ron, who edits the Scottie Press community paper.
"Then, when the link is made to the Albert Dock, we will be able to go through the locks and into the Sandon and Collingwood docks.
"It would be an interesting trip which would open up the canal for tourism. Obviously there would be people coming down in their own boats, but we would have scope for trips for schools, pensioners and local history groups.
"With the Capital of Culture coming up, this would be an ideal way to promote the canal, highlighting the Vauxhall area. The more good things happen here, the greater the chance of us attracting investment."
By coincidence, next year is the 800th anniversary of Liverpool being granted its Royal Charter by King John and Leeds being its granted its Charter by Maurice Paynel, the Lord of the Manor.
To mark the occasion, the Inland Waterways Association (http://www.waterways.org.uk/index.htm) has announced that the World Canals Conference (http://www.waterways.org.uk/wcc/) is to be held on Liverpool on June 13, 14, and 15, 2007.
"The annual conference brings together hundreds of canal enthusiasts, professionals and scholars from around the world," says an IWA spokesman.
"Topics to be discussed include the protection of historic canals or features, revitalisation of canal systems, harbour sites, canal trails and amenities. The conference will immediately precede the Mersey River Festival (June 15 to 18).
"That the conference should be held in Liverpool is particularly appropriate given the transfer of ownership and operation of Liverpool's historic South Docks from English Partnerships to British Waterways, the largest navigation authority in the UK."
Louise Ellman has given the project her full support. "It is a really exciting idea. It is part of local regeneration," she says, "making the waterway available to more people as part of environmental improvements.
"It is good that young people are working on it as part of their restorative programme because that is also to do with community service. I will do what I can to help with the finance. There is funding around for projects.
"It is locating the money and focusing on something like this. Too often, they think only of the big schemes. This is a very imaginative scheme and practical as well."
davidcharters@dailypost.co.uk
Canal history
* BACK in 1770, an Act of Parliament allowed digging on the canal to start simultaneously in Leeds and Liverpool.
* By 1777, stretches of the canal had been opened between Liverpool and Wigan and from Leeds to Gargrave.
* Money ran out, halting the project during the American War of Independence (1776-1783).
* Work resumed in 1790 and the 127-mile canal was opened in 1816.
* The canal is still navigable. It climbs 411ft through 92 locks. There are eight aqueducts. One embankment is two thirds of a mile long.
Source: icLiverpool (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17265671%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26page=1%26headline=the%2dfuture%2dis%2da%2dslow%2 dboat%2dto%2dbootle-name_page.html)
Canal history
* BACK in 1770, an Act of Parliament allowed digging on the canal to start simultaneously in Leeds and Liverpool.
* By 1777, stretches of the canal had been opened between Liverpool and Wigan and from Leeds to Gargrave.
* Money ran out, halting the project during the American War of Independence (1776-1783).
* Work resumed in 1790 and the 127-mile canal was opened in 1816.
* The canal is still navigable. It climbs 411ft through 92 locks. There are eight aqueducts. One embankment is two thirds of a mile long.
Source: icLiverpool (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17265671%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26page=1%26headline=the%2dfuture%2dis%2da%2dslow%2 dboat%2dto%2dbootle-name_page.html)
Cheers Howie, enjoyed that :PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Howie
06-22-2006, 07:46 AM
Further information about British Waterway's plan for the Liverpool Link can be found in an article in May's Waterways Magazine - click here (http://www.waterways.org.uk/wcc/Liverpool%20Link.pdf) for a PDF version.
Howie
06-22-2006, 06:30 PM
Navy team plan to row the distance for hospice
Jun 22 2006
Liverpool Echo
A TEAM of Royal Navy sailors is taking part in a charity event, to paddle the length of the Leeds and Liverpool Canal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_and_Liverpool_Canal) in a canoe.
They hope to raise £5,000 for Claire House Children's Hospice (http://www.claire-house.org.uk/) in Bebington, Wirral, which cares for children with life-threatening or life-limiting illnesses.
The eight-strong-team will consist of six men in the canoe, one in a support vehicle and a Royal Marine running along side them.
The expedition will start next Tuesday, June 27, and will finish in Liverpool on July 1, the first day of the All Aboard maritime festival, featuring the assault ship HMS Albion, which also supports Claire House.
Source: icLiverpool (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17275186%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=navy%2dteam%2dplan%2dto%2drow%2dthe%2dd istance%2dfor%2dhospice-name_page.html)
LIVERPOOL'S multi-million pound waterfront canal could be re-routed at the last minute, leading to West Waterloo dock being filled in.
West Waterloo Dock is a dock, on the River Mersey and part of the Port of Liverpool it is situated in the northern end of the dock system, connected to Victoria Dock to the north and Princes Half Tide Dock to the south. It opened in 1834, the dock was named after the Battle of Waterloo in 1815.
An extension to the Leeds-Liverpool has been planned for more than two years.
But weeks before work was due to start, British Waterways wants to change the route. :shock:
They say the flagship 2008 scheme would go ahead even if their request was rejected by the council.
Residents fear filling in the dock would provide potential new building sites.
Work is due to start this summer on the link between the Leeds-Liverpool canal and the Albert dock via the Pier Head.
But if British Waterways plans are allowed, the route would be shifted several metres inland at Trafalgar dock, allowing more attractive landscaping.
West Waterloo dock would then be filled in with rubble dug up from the Pier Head to create a flat area.
Residents have reacted angrily to the proposal - while the ECHO understands council planners are also unhappy with the dock being filled.
British Waterways has already shelved one re-design following council talks.
A spokesman said: "We are just looking at a slightly different, improved route and it does not affect the entire scheme."
Residents at the Waterloo Quay apartments, which overlook West Waterloo dock, pledged to fight the plans.
Tony O'Leary, chairman of the residents association, said: "These docks are part of Liverpool's heritage and they need to be preserved.
"When we bought these apartments, one of the attractions was the environment, overlooking water.
"We supported British Waterways' initial application wholeheartedly because there was never any indication thatWest Waterloo dock would be filled in.
"Filling in the dock would create a valuable piece of land. But it might take 20 years for that land to settle, and for all that time it would be a derelict mess in an historic dock area."
Kirkdale councillor Malcolm Kennedy said: "We have had no indication of what might eventually be built on the infilled dock, and I find that dishonest.
"The canal project will be wonderful for the whole city and I am also concerned that making changes now could delay it unnecessarily."
* Click here (http://videos.icnetwork.co.uk/icliverpool/nick290606.wmv) to see Nick Coligan discuss the controversial plans in a video report
nick.coligan@liverpool.com
Waterways
06-29-2006, 04:56 PM
LIVERPOOL'S multi-million pound waterfront canal could be re-routed at the last minute, leading to West Waterloo dock being filled in.
This should be opposed at all costs
Enough is enough. Far too many docks and waterways are being filled-in destroying our heritage and history. City on the water? How? With no water?
All in-filled docks should be excavated and have apartments, retail and leisure buildings on the quays. There should be navigation along the docks and waterways for substantial vessels, not just tiddly canal narrow boats, from Harrington Dock in the south to Seaforth in the north. This idea is ludicrous. The anti-dock/waterway wedge gets rammed in yet again.
Other cities crave for water areas to build around. Stupid Liverpool fills them in.
Liverpool should stop thinking like an inland city content with narrow boats, recognise what it has, value it, develop it and keep it for ever.
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/citylofts/images/image022.jpg
The above. In front is East Waterloo Dock. To the left is West Waterloo. From West Waterloo to the basin just before the Victoria Clock Tower, the basins of Victoria and Trafalgar Docks ran - is was all one stretch of water. Why this was filled in I don't know, as the land is not sound enough to support anything. The Victoria and Trafalagar Docks ran from east to west from the Dock Road behind East Waterloo Dock to the basins, where the blue buildings/portacabins/containers are.
Beyond the Victoria and Trafalagar Docks was Clarence Dock which ran north/south, which was filled in, in 1927 to build a power station on. It would obtain its oil from ships at Trafalgar Dock. I did a tour as a kid - a scuffy horrible place. Clarence Dock graving docks still exist, and used, and are just near the large red brick tobacco warehouse - runing east to west. They are a part of the UNESCO World Heritage site, so cannot be filled in.
Paul D
06-29-2006, 05:00 PM
John I agree with you on this,I think the council are not happy with the idea either so I can't see it happening personally.Changing the plans so late in the day will surely hold up this project further.:disgust:
Bunnyman
06-29-2006, 05:24 PM
Yes. This is absurd. There is no need to fill the docks north of the Pier Head. There is amble space forthe canal and 'landscaping'.
Waterways
06-29-2006, 05:26 PM
West Waterloo Dock is a dock, on the River Mersey and part of the Port of Liverpool it is situated in the northern end of the dock system, connected to Victoria Dock to the north and Princes Half Tide Dock to the south. It opened in 1834, the dock was named after the Battle of Waterloo in 1815.
Look at Google Earth. Victoria Dock has already been filled in, along with Trafalgar Dock and Clarence Dock.
All these Docks should be excavated and developed around the quays giving us the promised water based city - the city on water.
How can we have a city on water when there will be no water.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. THIS OVERT VIOLATION OF OUR HERITAGE & HISTORY HAS TO STOP.
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Waterways
06-29-2006, 06:05 PM
John I agree with you on this,I think the council are not happy with the idea either so I can't see it happening personally.Changing the plans so late in the day will surely hold up this project further.:disgust:
The whole length of West Waterloo and the parts of Trafalgar and Victoria Docks that run parallel with the river wall should be excavated at least - preferably all the original docks. This means only partial excavating of Trafalgar and Victoria Docks.
Look at the link below. Note Trafalgar Dock which is now filled in (with the Royal Iris moored). Have these people no shame? They have no sense of history that is clear. Does British Waterways care about Liverpool history and heritage? Appears not, as only Liverpudlians do. They are only after a quick buck, or saving money, at our expense.
Liverpool Docks were compared to the building of pyramids - and rightly so. Imagine what would happen if the bulldozers moved in at pyramids.
http://www.waterways.org.uk/wcc/Liverpool%20Link.pdf
Bunnyman
06-29-2006, 10:33 PM
Here you go John.
Disgraceful.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4345/jmk9rw.jpg
Liverpolitan
06-30-2006, 12:02 AM
Yet more nonsense. It is time that this scheme was put on hold, to be properly evaluated. It's obvious they are making it up as they go along, and I have no confidence at all in them. What will their next trick be?
The economics are rubbish, there is no evidence of the regeneration benefits they promise, which in themselves are very poor. It cannot possibly meet normal value for money criteria for schemes receiving European funds.
The practicalities make a nonsense of it. It's going to take hours to get from Princes' to Albert Docks, so its not as though will support anything useful like a tourist boat. It won't. Tourists won't wait hours in locks.
It threatened to ruin the Pier Head, and now that damage is mitigated with a plan for a fair bit of it to be covered. But that means the odd holiday maker who sails past on a canal barge won't see much anyway. Even that element wasn't thought through, with a crazy plan for temporary coverings that was ludicrously expensive and obviously just made up at the last moment to see them through a difficult decision.
I bet if this scheme was reappraised, independently, and without the sleazy mediocre culture of Liverpool regeneration funding surrounding it, it would just be turned down flat. It's a bad idea that has gone far too far already. It just doesn't offer anything of use or benefit. The canal should end at Princes Dock, which could do with something in it, so canal boats would be nice there.
I am sure in 30 years there will be a public fund to help pay for the costs of filling it in, a campaign to turn the Pier Head back into the greatest English public space outside Trafalgar Square.
Bunnyman
06-30-2006, 12:31 AM
Well said Pol. We are not the Scotch Piper, or Tarleton, and we need more then Derek and Maud trundling past in their floating caravan to sustain hundreds of acres of derelict dockland.
Liverpolitan
06-30-2006, 12:36 AM
And Squirrel (aka awayo) claims there are hygeine issues, with a potentially deadly problem with faecal contamination. The Daily Post don't dwell on such unpleasant matters. BWB sort of admit its a problem, because it's expressly and specifically amongst the things they prohibit, and there is a big fine for it - and why would you ban something and fine people if they didn't actually do it? Nothing was ever banned that no-one ever did. :unibrow: :shock: :eek:
Bunnyman
06-30-2006, 12:43 AM
Poor Squiggle has spent enough time in the YMCA to lecture us 'decent' folk about hygiene issues. Daniella Westbrook was apparently fined for doleing out nasal sex for tenners...
The new Museum of Liverpool is to receive £5m in European aid.
Work on the museum to replace the Museum of Liverpool life, is expected to be completed in 2008.
The Merseyside Objective One award for the £31m Pier Head construction project follows £26.8m from the Northwest Regional Development Agency (NWRDA).
The European grant was welcomed by Culture Minister David Lammy who said it would help provide a "fitting showcase" for the city.
The new X-shaped building at the Mann Island site will provide more exhibition space.
Planned exhibits will include a 19th Century locomotive that ran on England's first passenger railway line between Liverpool and Manchester.
A £6M plan to transform land at Pier Head into a world-class square is expected to be approved next week.
Plans were drawn up to make the area around British Waterways' canal extension a visitor attraction in its own right, as part of the multi-million pound redevelopment.
New features will include seating walls within the basin areas with access to the canal side, a raised central lawn in front of the Cunard Building and a double avenue of trees.
New lighting and steps up to major statues will also be installed.
It emerged last month that the waterfront canal could be re-routed at the last minute, leading to West Waterloo dock being filled in, despite the plans being drawn up two years ago.
British Waterways wants to change the route to improve the appearance.
Work will be carried out in two stages with land by the canal basin starting early next year and contracts going out for the rest next month.
Cllr Mike Storey said: "The Pier Head should be the focal point of a lot of activities but for much of the time it is deserted.
"British Waterways' canal scheme and all the other development taking place there offer a great opportunity to bring life and animation to it.
"We are aiming to make it an attractive and welcoming area which will bring in a lot of visitors to the city."
The project is being funded by the North West Development Agency and the European Regional Development Fund.
Waterways
07-06-2006, 10:43 AM
A £6M plan to transform land at Pier Head into a world-class square is expected to be approved next week.
Plans were drawn up to make the area around British Waterways' canal extension a visitor attraction in its own right, as part of the multi-million pound redevelopment.
New features will include seating walls within the basin areas with access to the canal side, a raised central lawn in front of the Cunard Building and a double avenue of trees.
New lighting and steps up to major statues will also be installed.
It emerged last month that the waterfront canal could be re-routed at the last minute, leading to West Waterloo dock being filled in, despite the plans being drawn up two years ago.
Does anyone have the planning submission number?
I advise all to write letters into the planning Dept opposing filling in West Waterloo Dock. These people hold Liverpool's history and heritage in contempt. These people are playing on the time factor that is clear – they are underhanded. They know Liverpool wants this canal link by 2008, so at the 11th hour throw in that a historic dock be filled in as a part of their scheme, knowing that the city will be pushed to say yes just to get something done in time. If it is rejected then more time and maybe nothing complete by 2008.
It would rather the whole scheme was rejected - I am not keen on the whole idea anyway. British Waterways looks after canals, that is their mentality, so they want to fill in docks and build a canal for bearded Little Middle England real ale drinkers in narrow boats. Does that reflect our deep sea maritime history? Canal boats?
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Waterways
07-06-2006, 11:12 AM
All of this stinks. The closing date to object to the filling in of West Waterloo Dock is the 14th June. The date has gone. Yet the Echo reported the proposal to fill in the dock after the 14th June.
The Planning Department said it is worth sending a letter of objectiion even though the date has passed.
Details:
Proposal Number:
06F/1421
Jon Woodward
Planning Department
Liverpool City Council
Municiple Buildings
Dale Street
L69 2DH
I advise all to make an objection by letter or email ASAP to the filling in of West Waterloo Dock
Email for objection:
jon.woodward@liverpool.gov.uk
Some point for objection. I'm sure you can think of more:
1. West Waterloo dock is historic nearly 200 years old, dating from 1834.
2. The historic dock is a part of the rich heritage of Liverpool
3. The dock forms a water environment for the flats between West Waterloo Dock and East Waterloo Dock. The residents bought those flats because of the water environment the locale offered. This will be obliterated.
4. Filling in of the dock further “obliterates the City On The Water”, which the city was promised the redundant docks would be, transforming the city to world renowned Amsterdam or Hamburg.
5. Dock being filled in as a convenient dump for waste material for the canal developer.
6. Filling in the dock degrades the water based environment of the area for future developments.
Paul D
07-06-2006, 11:17 AM
I'm really keen to see this built and that's starting to look more and more likely now,Liverpool needs more modern buildings like this.
Vauxhall ... my family landed there in 1841....,me ald fella was born in 1930in court off Scottie, he lived in a cellar on Epsom st one of 12 children, me Granma and Granddad died on Commercial rd........... after Hitler and the post war government demolished the slums...... and youse talk of historical significance of a redundant dock........ my god gang, get your priorities sorted here... who will this benefit, skyscrapers for those with the money ?, we seen what happened to the say the highrises.. turned into luxury flats, WTF ... Waterways lad, have you invested in property mate, and when was the last time you was in the town?
Seriously, what is the agenda here?, at whose expense is it at, and whose heritage ... ?
Waterways
07-06-2006, 05:24 PM
Vauxhall ... my family landed there in 1841....,me ald fella was born in 1930in court off Scottie, he lived in a cellar on Epsom st one of 12 children, me Granma and Granddad died on Commercial rd........... after Hitler and the post war government demolished the slums.
I was born in the cellar of a condemned house near Brunswick Dock. The above is pointless.
..... and youse talk of historical significance of a redundant dock........ my god gang, get your priorities sorted here... who will this benefit, skyscrapers for those with the money ?, we seen what happened to the say the highrises.. turned into luxury flats, WTF ... Waterways lad, have you invested in property mate, and when was the last time you was in the town?
Seriously, what is the agenda here?, at whose expense is it at, and whose heritage ... ?
It is clear you hate the middle classes for having money and being able to build high quality high rises and improving the city. You will not be satisfied until of Liverpool is a huge vandalised council estate full of Philistines.
As for the significance of redundant docks, read my posts on them. Here is a cut for you…
The waterways and docks should be left alone and any in-filled docks excavated. Harrington, Toxteth, Victoria, Trafalgar and Clarence Docks can all be easily excavated and the water and quays reinstated as they are still there. Parts of the Heculanuem can also be excavated too. It is criminal what has been done to the dock waterways. Many were laid down in the 1700s – historic to say the least - and now have car parks on them.
The pyramids served no useful purpose – although the Great Pyramid is said to be a large ram-pump. Raising millions of gallons of water from a now dried up lake. Not 100% proven though. The other pyramids were just tombs – gravestones.
Also the pyramids were just large, well, err, pyramids in shape. The Great Wall of China was a defence mechanism. The Liverpool dock waterways is a highly useful construction that created wealth and advancement.
In construction terms and size Liverpool docks (and Birkenhead Docks – let’s not forget them) is equal to these ancient structure. Apart from the Herculaneum and Stanley Docks, all were built out into the river on wooden piles and granite rock from a special quarry in Scotland owned by MDHB, for the sea walls and quays. Liverpool docks were the first and only large scale interconnected dock waterway system in the world. Ships could travel 5 miles within the dock complex without entering the tidal river.
It was the key to the industrial revolution – without the docks raw materials and finished goods could not be efficiently handled into and out of the country. Liverpool made Manchester and all the other industrial towns – without the efficient deep water Liverpool docks these places would still be villages.
The steam engine made the docks into a giant complex. The engines pumped water in and out of locks and impounded the docks when high tide levels were low.
The Docks were key in peopling America as ¾ of all immigrants that went to the North America went via the Liverpool Docks. Even the Landing stage was the world largest floating structure. The docks were key in people migration in world history.
Few appreciate these points – and sadly few in Liverpool as well. We have something equivalent to the pyramids but fail to realise it and treat the waterways with contempt.
bazzacat
07-06-2006, 05:33 PM
I always think of the millions of emigrants who passed through Liverpool when near the river , it really is quite a remarkable and significant part of world history. Liverpool should be flooded with US and Canadian tourists looking at where their ancestors sailed from. Elements of my own family arrived here from Ireland. The river IS EVERYTHING to the city, and I do think it would be marvellous to shift some gravity towards the waterfront, and preserve the water elements, partially as a memorial to all those who passed through.
Waterways
07-06-2006, 06:00 PM
I always think of the millions of emigrants who passed through Liverpool when near the river , it really is quite a remarkable and significant part of world history. Liverpool should be flooded with US and Canadian tourists looking at where their ancestors sailed from. Elements of my own family arrived here from Ireland. The river IS EVERYTHING to the city, and I do think it would be marvellous to shift some gravity towards the waterfront, and preserve the water elements, partially as a memorial to all those who passed through.
Great Post!!!!
bazzacat
07-06-2006, 06:12 PM
The river is everything to the region, dilapidated docks are'nt.
Agreed. But no one lives in the docks now anyhow, how about a mix of housing for all sorts? People that buy apartments arent all millionaires
victorialush
07-07-2006, 02:12 PM
Off Subject:
Waterways, you aren't Scouse if you think the term is derogatory. No true Scouser would ever be ashamed to call themselves this.
Would you mind explaining to me why you think this?
Paul D
07-11-2006, 05:42 PM
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6373/dsc024281og5ha.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The new museum and canal link are going to bring this area back to life and I can't wait for it personally.I was happy to see the canal link finally getting under way at the weekend and hopefully the new museum will start in October as predicted.:celb (23):
Terry
07-11-2006, 07:09 PM
Well i love the paving,steps & surrounding areas,but sorry folks i think the building looks totally hideous & out of keeping with the rest of the area.I realise we are now in the 21st century & things cannot stand still,but this!!!.
Im with Lindy lou on this one.I like the look of everything else mind you & i think it would be a real asset to have a canal running through there as there is definatly a rennaisance currently with respect to canals across the country as people are seeing the potential benefits both socially & enviromentally.
I hope you will take my comments with a pinch of salt particularly as iam not from your neck of the woods but i would rather give you my honest opinion (for what its worth) i just hope this isnt the final design,although i'm sure it will have its fans,but i wouldn't be a fan of it.
Hope i havn't muddied the waters too much folks.:snf (41):
lindylou
07-11-2006, 11:47 PM
Yes, I still say it looks like the Showcase cinema on a retail park :neutral:
but as Terry says, the paving and steps look nice.
Hoping it will look much better in the flesh so to speak. :)
richie1878
07-12-2006, 01:07 AM
I'm still split on this one, I truely hated it at first, probably because it was in the back of my mind what might have been (just commented on this one in a different thread) the Foster designed 'forth grace'. But I'm sort of coming round to the idea, maybe it could be our version of the Sydney Opera House, maybe I'm going mad?
Paul D
07-14-2006, 08:54 PM
Well i love the paving,steps & surrounding areas,but sorry folks i think the building looks totally hideous & out of keeping with the rest of the area.I realise we are now in the 21st century & things cannot stand still,but this!!!.
Im with Lindy lou on this one.I like the look of everything else mind you & i think it would be a real asset to have a canal running through there as there is definatly a rennaisance currently with respect to canals across the country as people are seeing the potential benefits both socially & enviromentally.
I hope you will take my comments with a pinch of salt particularly as iam not from your neck of the woods but i would rather give you my honest opinion (for what its worth) i just hope this isnt the final design,although i'm sure it will have its fans,but i wouldn't be a fan of it.
Hope i havn't muddied the waters too much folks.:snf (41):
It's not the greatest design in the World Terry but what this picture doesn't really show is that the building itself is made from the finest marble and is made to reflect the sun so it will always look different according to the sunset.It will cost £65 million which is more than double the cost of the imperial war museum so you can see it's not done on the cheap and it has the added bonus of the canal running beneath it.The giant window at the end will frame the three graces also so that should be an amazing site,one minute your looking at the exhibits the next you'll have this view,I think everyone will come to love this but we'll have a couple of years to prove my point,I love it.:celb (23):
Paul D
07-18-2006, 02:07 PM
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4989/1ux5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Those buildings you were concerned about losing seem to have survived Kev.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Nice pic Paul, it looks very odd in that render though and too close to those older buildings.
Paul D
07-18-2006, 07:11 PM
Nice pic Paul, it looks very odd in that render though and too close to those older buildings.
I'm sure that everything has been taken into consideration and it will turn out okay in the end.:)
Howie
07-31-2006, 09:50 PM
Take a walk on the mild side
Jul 31 2006
Liverpool Echo
KEEN walkers are being invited to join a sponsored event walking along the Leeds and Liverpool Canal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_and_Liverpool_Canal).
But people do not have to tackle the entire 127-mile length, and can take on varying legs of the route.
Family walkers can tackle short sections around the Parbold and Appley Bridge area.
The walk will take place over the weekend of August 11-13 and money which is raised will be shared between Prescot Methodist Church's development and Willowbrook Hospice (http://www.willowbrook.org.uk/) in St Helens.
Further details and sponsorship forms are available on 0174-481 6806 or 0151-426 6964.
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Howie
08-10-2006, 05:11 PM
Free fish on the menu along canal
Aug 10 2006
Liverpool Echo
FREE fishing on the Leeds-Liverpool Canal will be a big boost for local youngsters during the school holidays.
An 'admin blip' by Liverpool & District Anglers' Association meant that fishing licences have not been printed for 2006, so for the first time there's no charge for fishing.
It means that any anglers of any age or ability can go along and try their luck anywhere along the 26 miles of waterway from Liverpool to Plex Lane at Haskayne.
More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0200sport/0800othersports/tm_objectid=17541129&method=full&siteid=50061&headline=free-fish-on-the-menu-along-canal--name_page.html)...
Gazzab
08-28-2006, 03:14 AM
Couldn't find a thread for this topic. If there already is one then can one of the mods delete this one.
I was reading the Development Summary earlier re the proposed start of the canal link through the Pier Head. According to the summary, the works should have started in the Pier Head area back in February.
Has anybody got any further info on this.
Howie
08-28-2006, 03:19 AM
See Museum of Liverpool and Canal Link (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262) and The infill is back (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1932) threads.
Gazzab
08-28-2006, 03:30 AM
See Museum of Liverpool and Canal Link (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262) and The infill is back (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1932) threads.
Cheers Howie
so a massive arcaelogical dig starts on the site......
Oh, here u go.....
ONE of the biggest archaeological digs in Liverpool's history is to start next month to clear the way for construction of the city's controversial new X-museum.
Part of the existing Museum of Liverpool Life is to be demolished and excavated to uncover the city's earliest surviving lock gates, which date back to 1803.
The seven-week dig will pave the way for construction of the £65m Museum of Liverpool, which has caused controversy because of its unconventional shape, to start in December.
It comes as the Victorian Society last night urged the council to reject plans for Neptune's multi-million pound development on adjoining Mann Island.
They fear three proposed granite-faced buildings designed to house futuristic apartments, leisure and commercial units, would seriously harm the historic Pier Head waterfront. The museum excavation will be the second largest the city has seen. The largest was Grosvenor's Liverpool 1 development, which exposed the city's oldest dock wall, dated 1715.
Archaeologists employed by NML will dig four metres deep to reveal the former Manchester Dock, which dates back to 1780 and uncover an ancient set of lock gates inside. (I'd love to see that!!) It is also hoped to unearth the adjoining Chester basin, built in 1795, and nearby quaysides.
The team of six hope to discover artefacts including sugar moulds, ceramics and tools that should reveal secrets about Liverpool's history as a port in the 18th and 19th centuries.
The site currently lies buried under the white 1980s extension to the museum's red-brick Pilotage building, which closed in June but will be preserved as offices.
Last night Mark Adams, lead archaeologist on the project, said it could shed light on commercial production in Liverpool during the Industrial Revolution.
"This is going to be a really exciting dig for us," he said. "It's about the second biggest excavation ever done in the Liverpool docks.
"It's the last chance for us to see the site before it's covered up again. These things haven't been exposed since the 1930s and so it is a pretty big deal in terms of the city's heritage."
The entrance to the Manchester Dock wall is one of the earliest surviving lock gates in Liverpool, and currently lies under the museum's existing car park.
It was initially a tidal basin, opened in the 1780s, and so could only be used in high tides. The lock gates were added sometime between 1803 and 1813.
The entrance lock measures about 12 metres by 50 metres, and the dock covers about 5,000 square metres. It lies about 100 yards south of the Chester basin, constructed in 1795.
Mr Adams said: "They used to take river traffic, mainly barges that were transporting all sorts of goods, mainly coal and other goods manufactured in Liverpool like sugar and pottery, but also for corn and cotton.
"We may well discover some exciting things about the city's past that we didn't know before."
He said evidence so far suggests the locks lie intact under the existing museum, in the open position.
Other examples of 18th and 19th century locks have already been either modified or destroyed.
A spokeswoman for NML last night confirmed the entire dig site will eventually be covered up by the museum.
She said there was no option to keep even a small area exposed for the public to view, because of the design of the new building.
But any finds will be displayed in one of the museum's key galleries, Port City.
It will explore Liverpool's role as a port city and the development of its architecture, infrastructure, people and commerce.
It will follow the story of the Industrial Revolution, the development if the dock system and the people living and working underneath the city's overhead railway, which will be re-created.
The spokeswoman said: "Hopefully we'll keep the artefacts, as far as we can we will interpret what is underneath the museum as much as possible inside."
National Museums Liverpool is expected to announce a start date for the excavation as soon as contracts are signed with its internal archaeology department.
The Daily Post understands excavation work is hoped to start in early October, and the museum will be on track for completion in autumn 2008, ready for its scheduled opening in 2010.
In April NML managed to secure agreement from funders the North West Development Agency to release £32.7m.
That unlocked a further £5m Objective 1 funding to finance the exterior build - despite having been turned down for 11.4m Heritage Lottery Funding to fund the interior build.
NML lodged a repeat bid to the HLF in June and expects an answer in January, and staff are currently seeking a further £20m from other sources to pay for the interior fit-out.
Management are adamant the scheme will go ahead despite concerns raised that the low-slung X-shaped design, could lose the waterfront its World Heritage status.
The spokeswoman said: "NML has not altered the design, which was produced for us by Danish architect Kim Neilssen.
"The brief was to produce an iconic building for the city's waterfront, and that has been approved by both English Heritage and CABE."
deborahjames@dailypost.co.uk
Paul D
09-08-2006, 12:51 PM
I'm glad this looks likely to happen now I'm a big fan of the x-building,another piece of the jigsaw falls into place.:celb (23):
kenotoole123@msn.com
09-08-2006, 07:22 PM
I read in the 'Echo' this afternoon....the part of the old Museum to be demolished is the 'White' 80s Extension...the original 19th Century Buildings are being kept.:)
THE future of Liverpool's controversial X-museum is under threat because world heritage officials fear the plans are too dominant for the historic waterfront.
A delegation is being sent to the city to look at the impact the building would have on the Three Graces. If they object to the design, it would either mean the £65m scheme has to be pulled, or Liverpool could lose its World Heritage status.
Dr Mechtild Rossler, head of world heritage in Europe and North America for Unesco, the organisation which bestows the prestigious title, said: "The committee has requested a mission to visit the site to look at the impact of the plans.
"In terms of world heritage, we want to preserve the values on which the site was inscribed.
"I cannot make any statement about the future until the committee has taken its decision.
"I would recommend that they don't proceed with any buildings that don't meet the values of the inscription."
Unesco's World Heritage Committee ordered the visit after noting "with great concern that the new museum building, next to the Three Graces, does not comply with the recommendation as it is designed to be dominant rather than recessive".
It has also called for strategic plans covering future development that set out clear policies for the skyline and river front.
The Daily Post revealed on Friday that one of the biggest archaeological digs in Liverpool's history is about to start to clear the way for construction of the museum.
Building work is due to start in December ready for completion in autumn, 2008, but the museum will not open until 2010.
Last night, Wayne Colquhoun, from the Liverpool Preservation Trust which wrote to Unesco calling for it to intervene, said it was the beginning of the end for the museum.
He added: "This is the same as trying to build next to the Taj Mahal. It just would not be allowed to happen there and it should not be allowed to happen here.
"What people want on that site is some gentle landscaping or maybe a park, not monstrosities like this.
"The goal has always been to stop the ruination of our skyline. This is not finished yet, but it is the beginning of the end."
But David Fleming, head of National Museums Liverpool, insists that building will go ahead as planned.
He said: "We are confident that there will not be any problem.
"Some people in Liverpool respond to any kind of development with criticism.
"The problems come when buildings are put up that are not great quality, but this is.
"You cannot freeze a city in aspic. I'm confident that when the delegation come over they will see that the plans are in keeping.
"We have done everything right the whole way along. The building has gone through the planning process and has the backing of English Heritage. We have not been contacted directly by Unesco. We are proceeding as planned."
Liverpool City Council insists it will be able to demonstrate the city is complying with Unesco guidelines.
Council leader Warren Bradley said: "I am absolutely delighted that the World Heritage Committee and ICOMOS (which advises Unesco) are coming here, as it is a great opportunity for us to show them the fantastic plans we have for the waterfront.
"We will use it to demonstrate that the concerns of a comparatively small number of people who oppose any development at the Pier Head and other parts of the waterfront are completely without foundation.
"The Government's own statutory advisers, English Heritage, are extremely supportive of the proposals for the museum, as are the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment.
"When we were awarded this accolade in 2004, the World Heritage Committee were very well aware that a number of developments were planned in the vicinity of the site.
"We have been at pains to make it known that the World Heritage status does not mean that development comes to a full stop - far from it, it is a spur to investment but only for those developments which have a high quality design.
"We were very proud to become a world heritage city and do not intend to lose that status."
The city was granted World Heritage status in July, 2004. The site incorporates the waterfront, the commercial district and the cultural quarter surrounding William Brown Street, Pier Head, Stanley Dock, Waterloo Dock and Wapping Dock.
Cllr Berni Turner, executive member for heritage, said: " We shall ensure that the delegation see all of the excellent conservation work that has been, and is being, carried out in the site, such as the restoration of St George's Hall, Bluecoat Chambers, the Cenotaph, the Nelson Monument and many other historic buildings in the commercial district and RopeWalks.
"I am concerned that some people who purport to be interested in protecting the city's heritage seem determined to sabotage the World Heritage status simply because an individual development is not to their particular taste.
"In cities which are regenerating, there always has to be a balance between preserving architectural heritage and new development.
"We think we are getting the balance right and can demonstrate that the management plan we have agreed for the World Heritage site will preserve its unique architectural flavour while allowing other developments of the right quality to go ahead."
samlister@dailypost.co.uk
Please continue the World Heritage discussion here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851&page=2). :)
Howie
10-11-2006, 10:44 AM
Waterfront canal threat
Oct 11 2006
Revised plans for the Pier Head have been rejected. Sam Lister reports
Daily Post
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/oct2004/7/3/00026D01-1B23-116D-806280BFB6FA0000.jpg
THE future of Liverpool's multi-million pound waterfront canal was in doubt last night after a bid to re-route it was rejected by city planners.
British Waterways already had permission to build the Leeds-Liverpool extension and work was due to start this summer.
But it wanted to change the scheme by filling in West Waterloo dock with the rubble excavated from the Pier Head, which residents fear would create potential new building sites.
Last night, British Waterways would not guarantee the future of the scheme but insisted it was confident it would still go ahead. The organisation could also appeal the planning decision, which would mean the link almost certainly would not be ready by 2008.
Martin Clarke, regeneration manager for the organisation, said: "We will have to review this decision and discuss our options with the landowners, Peel Holdings.
"Until then, we cannot be certain what will happen next.
"In planning terms, we don't believe there were grounds for a refusal.
"It is too early to say what we will do next but I would not rule anything out.
"We believe this is a better scheme. It brings people closer to the water and it's a catalyst for regeneration.
"I'm confident it will still go ahead."
British Waterways wanted to shift the route several metres inland at Trafalgar dock, allowing more attractive landscaping.
The city council received more than 50 objections from local residents and businesses who complained it would destroy a vital piece of the city's heritage.
They claim they are already suffering health problems because of the amount of dust created by work already going on in the area and fear the problems would become even worse.
Tony O'Leary, chairman of the residents association, said: "We are not Luddites. We endorsed the canal coming through this area and that planning application is still on the table.
"We are a World Heritage site because of our docks. The West Waterloo Dock is as significant as the Albert Dock. "Instead of filling in docks to create more Legoland apartments, they should think about how they could use the history of the place."
Resident Paul Burnell said: "The historical significance of the West Waterloo Dock is the same as the entire dock estate.
"It is the largest remaining dock estate in the world and filling it in is ludicrous."
Planning officers recommended the application be refused because of the historical significance of the area.
John Hayes, planning officer for the council, said: "The main issue is the historic significance of the area. It is adjacent to the Stanley Dock conservation area and the World Heritage buffer zone.
"To move a body of water would not be acceptable. We do consider there is a significant impact on the World Heritage site."
samlister@dailypost.co.uk
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Waterways
10-11-2006, 11:24 AM
Waterfront canal threat
Oct 11 2006
Revised plans for the Pier Head have been rejected. Sam Lister reports
Daily Post
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/oct2004/7/3/00026D01-1B23-116D-806280BFB6FA0000.jpg
THE future of Liverpool's multi-million pound waterfront canal was in doubt last night after a bid to re-route it was rejected by city planners.
British Waterways already had permission to build the Leeds-Liverpool extension and work was due to start this summer.
But it wanted to change the scheme by filling in West Waterloo dock with the rubble excavated from the Pier Head, which residents fear would create potential new building sites.
Last night, British Waterways would not guarantee the future of the scheme but insisted it was confident it would still go ahead. The organisation could also appeal the planning decision, which would mean the link almost certainly would not be ready by 2008.
Martin Clarke, regeneration manager for the organisation, said: "We will have to review this decision and discuss our options with the landowners, Peel Holdings.
"Until then, we cannot be certain what will happen next.
"In planning terms, we don't believe there were grounds for a refusal.
"It is too early to say what we will do next but I would not rule anything out.
"We believe this is a better scheme. It brings people closer to the water and it's a catalyst for regeneration.
"I'm confident it will still go ahead."
British Waterways wanted to shift the route several metres inland at Trafalgar dock, allowing more attractive landscaping.
The city council received more than 50 objections from local residents and businesses who complained it would destroy a vital piece of the city's heritage.
They claim they are already suffering health problems because of the amount of dust created by work already going on in the area and fear the problems would become even worse.
Tony O'Leary, chairman of the residents association, said: "We are not Luddites. We endorsed the canal coming through this area and that planning application is still on the table.
"We are a World Heritage site because of our docks. The West Waterloo Dock is as significant as the Albert Dock. "Instead of filling in docks to create more Legoland apartments, they should think about how they could use the history of the place."
Resident Paul Burnell said: "The historical significance of the West Waterloo Dock is the same as the entire dock estate.
"It is the largest remaining dock estate in the world and filling it in is ludicrous."
Planning officers recommended the application be refused because of the historical significance of the area.
John Hayes, planning officer for the council, said: "The main issue is the historic significance of the area. It is adjacent to the Stanley Dock conservation area and the World Heritage buffer zone.
"To move a body of water would not be acceptable. We do consider there is a significant impact on the World Heritage site."
samlister@dailypost.co.uk
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West Waterloo Dock is in the WHS buffer zone, not adjacent. Being in the buffer carries obligations.
1. The Canal proposal was initially funded and designed on the basis of West Waterloo Dock being left as it is.
2. British Waterways where asked by a 3rd party to fill the dock in. One guess at who the that third party was - hint British Waterways have already mentioned their name above.
The not filling in of this dock as in 1 above should make it easy for British Waterways to complete this scheme, as it is already designed and costed.
If Peel Holdings, who clearly pull the strings of British Waterways and MDHC, don't want to build this canal, then they don't have to. There will not be many weeping about it not being built.
The excaveted earth from the canal runing at the Pier Head will nowhere near fill the West Waterloo Dock. They will charge others for filling as well. and make £4 milion on value of the generated land (the docks were never land, as they were built into the river)
Peel can then excavate the infilled docks back to deep water ship draught levels. Peel are clearly violating UNESCO agreements by destroying the vital marine life in Princes and Princes Half-Tide Docks, which are in the WHS zone. The city is also at fault for allowing this to happen. I hope Dr Rossler of UNESCO roasts the city and Peel (MDHC) on the forthcoming visit.
The city should be pushing for excavation of the whole of Trafalgar Dock as a minimum. Any proposals to reduce the deep water capability of the docks waterways should be rejected out of hand, and existing reduced depths of docks deepened. Peel/British Waterways can build canals elswhere, clearly not understanding the historical importance of the docks, only understanding canals - and making fast bucks.
snappel
10-11-2006, 11:31 AM
"We are a World Heritage site because of our docks. The West Waterloo Dock is as significant as the Albert Dock. "Instead of filling in docks to create more Legoland apartments, they should think about how they could use the history of the place."I quite agree...
jomiketo
10-11-2006, 12:23 PM
Hi everyone, Im an Architecture student in my final year and looking at using the Museum of Liverpool as a basis for my thesis. Would anyone know how or where I could get a copy of the either the actual competition brief and/or the updated brief since 3XN were appointed. Also if anyone could point me in the direction of any digital plans/maps of the pier head site I would be very grateful.
I have been reading this forum for some time now and find it very interesting to hear the views of everyone. If I undertake this project for my thesis this forum will be very useful. Thank you.
Would anyone know how or where I could get a copy of the either the actual competition brief and/or the updated brief since 3XN were
appointed. Also if anyone could point me in the direction of any digital plans/maps of the pier head site I would be very grateful.
I have been reading
this forum for some time now and find it very interesting to hear the views of everyone. If I undertake this project for my thesis this forum will be very
useful. Thank you.
Hi mate, sorry I don't have any info. Thanks for your support.
A.D.Williams
10-29-2006, 12:28 PM
Friday 27th October 2006.
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/canal2710061.jpg
A.D.Williams
10-29-2006, 12:28 PM
Friday 27th October
2006.
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/canal2710062.jpg
A.D.Williams
10-29-2006, 12:28 PM
Friday 27th October
2006.
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/canal2710063.jpg
A.D.Williams
10-29-2006, 12:29 PM
Friday 27th October 2006 - last
picture.
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/canal2710064.jpg
Paul D
10-29-2006, 12:40 PM
Is that the new canal link then?
A.D.Williams
10-29-2006, 12:50 PM
Is that the new canal link then?
I would say it was, Paul.
Fantastic pics Dave, thankyou thankyou :PDT_Piratz_26:. What are the tunnels either side on the walls?
Yoko is guest of honour at launch of £65m museum
Nov 15 2006
Liverpool Daily Post
YOKO ONO was guest of honour last night at a glittering black-tie event held to mark the official launch of the proposed new museum for Liverpool's waterfront.
Leading members of Merseyside's business and cultural community were at Liverpool Town Hall for a briefing about the £65m project.
They included TV star and culture supporter Loyd Grossman, Mersey TV founder Phil Redmond, and actors Cathy Tyson and Rita Tushingham.
The Museum of Liverpool will reflect the city's global significance through its unique geography, history and culture. source (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=yoko-is-guest-of-honour-at-launch-of-%2Dpound%2D65m-museum-%26method=full%26objectid=18098079%26siteid=50061-name_page.html)....
Museum to tell of city's dark side
Nov 15 2006
By Joe Riley Arts Editor, Liverpool Echo
An artist's impression of how the new Museum of Liverpool would look from the Pier Head
THE new £65m waterfront museum of Liverpool will be the biography of the city.
Dr David Fleming, director of National Museums Liverpool, told a launch reception for the project that it would also reveal a "darker side".
Among the issues covered will be the James Bulger and Anthony Walker murders and Hillsborough disaster.
He told the town hall dinner attended by Yoko Ono: "This will be the most radical and imaginative city museum in the world."Liverpool is already one of the most extraordinary cities in its subject matter and it is fitting that this museum is being created here.
"It is the legacy we will be bequeathing to future generations. Together we can make history."
Dr Fleming said the building would be "a great physical legacy of 2008" on a par with past achievements such as St George's hall and Liverpool cathedral.
The "warts and all" museum would reflect the port and people.
Dr Fleming, who said city museum and gallery attendances were growing faster than anywhere in the country, added: "The city needs a far larger museum to do it justice."Among promises was the display showing "the Beatles could only have come from Liverpool."
Yoko Ono nodded her approval as she sat among cultural and business leaders.
She told the ECHO: "I want to help spread the word. I am very keen to find out more."
National Museums Liverpool chairman TV presenter Loyd Grossman said: "This building will be the best of its type as the world's leading city heritage museum.
"It is unique and the most exciting museum project in Europe. It will be the most significant permanent benefit of Capital of Culture."
Also announced was a £1m donation to the museum from the Garfeld Weston Foundation, the largest gift NML has ever received from a trust or foundation. source (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=museum-to-tell-of-city%2Ds-dark-side%26method=full%26objectid=18097983%26page=2%26 siteid=50061-name_page.html)....
kenotoole123@msn.com
11-15-2006, 08:24 PM
In Reply to the question posed by Kev.....The Tunnels by the 'Old Floating Bridge' Site were huge Outlets for the Sewer System...as kids we often went down to watch thousands of escaping 'Goldfish' & 'Little Brown Fishies' escaping when they opened the outlets....Direct into the Mersey...None of this Poncy 'Environmentally Friendly Stuff' we have nowadays.....God !!! we were tough!!!...(Ermm!! you had to be to survive).....Ken.:unibrow:
Waterways
11-27-2006, 04:11 PM
Just to let you know that the latest planning application submitted by British Waterways has now been accepted. It didn't even go to the planning committee. Planner John Woodward just took the decision which is astounding given the level of interest in the way the docks are to be developed.
Objections at Government level are being sought.
Sounds like the council has an agenda. The Brunswick Quay tower was turned down by them and now pushing through a land by stealth strategy without a hearing. Astonishing!!
http://www.saveliverpooldocks.co.uk
Go to Canal link on the menu
Paul D
11-27-2006, 05:33 PM
That's a disgrace the council are bowing to pressure because of the 2008 CoC deadline.
Waterways
11-27-2006, 05:42 PM
That's a disgrace the council are bowing to pressure because of the 2008 CoC deadline.
Peel, via British Waterways, are shafting them. It is clear to see what they are after. First, ask yourself why do they want the Canal Link moved after initially wanting it down the centre of partially infilled Trafalgar Dock? West Waterloo dock eventually? Maybe. They want the land to be as much in large areas as possible if and when infilled. From the river wall to the canal West Waterloo gives them a big area - worth more. Same with Trafalgar Dock. BW are puppets of Peel. It is really what they want.
The council have bowed to land by stealth.
Paul D
11-27-2006, 05:54 PM
I'm not doubting you on this John it seems you may have been right all along.:disgust:
The regeneration scheme is based upon simple economics.. duck ponds.. don't equal money...
World heritage status... ?... Will we want that in 5 years time, will we want it in a decade when all the scousers have been ethinically cleansed from inner-city Liverpool... Or will we want Duck Ponds.. because apparently they are part of our heritage ?
Oooh don't forget the algae :D
Waterways
11-27-2006, 06:08 PM
The regeneration scheme is based upon simple economics.. duck ponds.. don't equal money...
They have filled Princes, Princes Half-Tide and West Waterloo Docks to Duck pond depths. We don't want that.
Who is this WE....?
The residents.. Your neighbours ? ...
Waterways
11-27-2006, 06:20 PM
Who is this WE....?
The residents.. Your neighbours ? ...
Everyone except you then. There, there.
Where where ?... Most of us don't give a FF Watership... just like the Liberal council and planners don't give a FF about the PEOPLE of Liverpool :)
Where where ?... Most of us don't give a FF Watership... just like the Liberal council and planners don't give a FF about the PEOPLE of Liverpool :)
Don't agree with you on the council not caring about the people of Liverpool. They have a huge amount of community projects and the entire 08 bid was based on the people of Liverpool. Most, if not all of the events in 2008 are going to be freely open to the public. This council has put more money and effort into community centres, schools and community regeneration such as Kensington and Norris green, than most other councils in the country. I hate hearing about this social cleansing c##p that keeps going around. It simply doesn't exist. If it did, then why are some houses in places like Anfield and Norris Green being renovated for local people and others being demolished and replaced with affordable housing, again for local people. Quality of life in Liverpool has improved dramatically over the past 5-10 years, but there are always going to be areas where quality of life is poor, and these are the areas undergoing massive regeneration.
Yes they did.. they just tottally ignored the North end as I remember :)
The inclusive party aye ;)
That's a disgrace the council are bowing to pressure because of the 2008 CoC deadline.
Agreed, although I am in support of the canal project. I don't see why everything has to be finished by 2008. A city should constantly develop throughout its existance, and if everything is done by 2008, visitors would have no reason to come back. I think the most important projects will be complete by 2008 such as the PSD, and anything that isn't complete can be placed on tourist trails so they are informed of what is going to be there in the future. This is the case in other cities such as London, New York etc.
Yes they did.. they just tottally ignored the North end as I remember :)
The inclusive party aye ;)
They can't do everywhere at once! These things take time.
Apparently it took New Labour policies rather than TIME ;)
Apparently it took New Labour policies rather than TIME ;)
I do agree with you to a certain extent. Some policies are rediculous and don't take into account individual areas, but others are hugely beneficial. We need more common sense in everything in our political system, and less red tape.
A.D.W
12-11-2006, 11:33 AM
Taken yest'y.
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/pier1012065.jpg
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/pier1012066.jpg
PhilipG
01-14-2007, 02:11 AM
Errrr...a bit of help for a Newbie please..How do I get my photies on here..Obviously not the Photobucket "Copie" n "Paste" way then..Help !!!!
Select "Quote" or "Post Reply".
Scroll down and look for "Manage Attachments", then select a jpeg file from your hard drive.
PhilipG
01-14-2007, 02:29 AM
The mess that was Our Floating Bridge.,,.Why !!!..Thanks again Philip
Glad to help.
Interesting pics.
Are they filling it in?
Gerard
01-14-2007, 02:33 AM
Glad to help.
Interesting pics.
Are they filling it in?
It appears that way Philip..We must need more New Flash apartments Eh !!
A.D.W
01-14-2007, 08:49 AM
It's to do with the canal they are putting in. It will cut right across the Pier Head through to the Albertino Dock.
Splendid pictures by the way old bean.
PhilipG
01-14-2007, 12:40 PM
It's to do with the canal they are putting in. It will cut right across the Pier Head through to the Albertino Dock.
Splendid pictures by the way old bean.
Thanks for the info, & thanks to Kev for directing me to this thread which I'd missed before.
This photo was taken by Richard Cooper in 1974 and appears in "Liverpool - Old and New" by Thomas Lloyd-Jones (1975).
Yeah, walked down that many a time. The tunnels that run parallel with it, you could see all the yuck getting flushed down it and the stone was caked in greeny brown mud.
snappel
01-15-2007, 04:26 PM
What was that then? A way down to the landing stage or something?
As for the tunnel exposed in this picture, on the right...
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/canal2710063.jpg
...that's a storm drain running parallel to the inlet, from an overflow weir by the Liver Building. At the weir, a 2.5m diameter concrete combined (foul and surface water) sewer runs past in a chamber.
The idea is that if there was a lot of flooding and the sewer filled up, the waste would overflow into the brick built (Victorian I assume) storm drain and go into the river rather than backing up in the streets/houses. Smaller surface water drains are also connected to the storm drain.
Good info. Yeah it was a way down to the lanney for cars but you could also walk it too.
Paul D
01-25-2007, 06:22 PM
City museum gets £11m grant boost
The new Museum of Liverpool has been given a £11.4m boost from the Heritage Lottery Fund - a year after having its initial bid turned down.
The money will be spent fitting out the £65m futuristic museum, which is being built on Liverpool's waterfront.
National Museums Liverpool say the new attraction, due to open in 2010, will reflect the city's unique geography, 800-year history and culture.
Its initial funding bid was rejected because plans were not detailed enough.
The Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF) announced on Thursday it was supporting the re-submitted stage one bid, which means cash has been earmarked for the project.
A further fully developed application - stage two of the bid - will be submitted at a later date to secure the money.
Funds are already in place for the building of the X-shaped museum, which is being sited on Mann Island at Pier Head.
David Fleming, Director of National Museums Liverpool, said: "The Heritage Lottery Fund earmarked grant means this new museum will be produced to the highest quality enabling an incredible array of objects and exhibits to go on display for the first time."
He said the museum would be a "brilliant learning and recreational resource" for the local community and an estimated 750,000 visitors a year.
Carole Souter, Director of the HLF, said: "We're delighted to be able to support this ambitious project which will bring the city's complex story to life, particularly as this year Liverpool is celebrating the 800 anniversary of its founding charter."
Planned exhibits will cover social history and popular culture, and will look at Britain and the world through the eyes of Liverpool.
Howie
02-01-2007, 01:47 PM
Pier Head canal link work gets under way
Feb 1 2007
By Caroline Innes, Liverpool Daily Post Staff
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/feb2007/1/9/7CD42A5A-BE44-4629-BAD5766B702E94D2.jpg
THREE new sets of lockgates have been installed on the historic Stanley Lock Flight ahead of the opening of the Pier Head's canal link next year.
Last night, British Waterways officials confirmed yesterday's work, costing £210,000, was part of the overall improvements to the canal corridor ready for the link which will allow boats to travel past the world-famous Three Graces and into the Albert Dock.
Planning permission to re-align part of the Liverpool Canal Link route through Central Docks was approved in November, and work is now scheduled to begin at the Pier Head in the next two weeks.
The new £17m link will re-connect the 127-mile Leeds and Liverpool Canal to Liverpool's docks via Stanley Dock.
Last October, fears were raised that plans maybe shelved after a bid to re-route the canal was rejected by city planners.
British Waterways already had permission to build the extension but wanted to change the scheme by filling in West Waterloo dock with the rubble excavated from the Pier Head, which residents feared would create potential new building sites.
However, a spokeswoman for British Waterways, which manages the canal, said revised plans had now been finalised and work would start by mid-February.
She said: "British Waterways submitted a planning application to re-align part of the Liverpool Canal Link route through Central Docks
"British Waterways previously had permission for the canal link to pass in a 10m wide channel along the easternside of Trafalgar Dock, including a 'dogleg' around an obstruction between Trafalgar and West Waterloo Docks.
"The new route will reduce the width of the channel from 10m to 6.5m and take a more direct route. This amended route will be easier to navigate because it removes the dog-leg and it will also minimise the land utilised by the canal link."
The Grade II listed locks date back to the 1840s and were designed by Jesse Hartley, who was civil engineer and superintendent of the Liverpool Dock estate between 1824 and 1860.
The locks are designed and constructed in a similar form to the docks and are the only all-granite canal locks in the country.
Andrew Tegg, British Waterways heritage adviser said: "The design of the replacement gates has been developed following analysis of the existing arrangements along with historical photographs of the lock flight.
"This has allowed us to ensure that the gate designs are based upon historic precedents, maintaining the character of the lock flight, whilst ensuring that the gates are user-friendly for boaters."
carolineinnes@dailypost.co.uk
Source: icLiverpool (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=pier-head-canal-link-work-gets-under-way%26method=full%26objectid=18559058%26page=1%26s iteid=50061-name_page.html)
^^What a brilliant pic^^ Uncovering heritage before our very eyes! Exciting times for us all.....
ScouseLad
02-03-2007, 11:50 PM
Hi all (1st post)
These are some pics I took last week of the new canal tunnel they've built for the link up of Princes Dock and Pier Head.
Noticed last week that they've started to board up the Pier Head ready for them to start digging it up. Lets hope it'll all be worth it in the end!
Phil.
What a great 1st post! Welcome and excellent pics! Keep 'em coming :celb (23)::handclap:
Paul D
02-05-2007, 12:15 AM
Over 40 canadian maple trees will be felled at the Pier Head and they will later replaced by 90 Norwegian maples.The Shanghai Palace Chinese restaurant will be demolished after it closes on February 17th and subject to planning approval a new ferry terminal will be built.
Will have to try and get some pics of the Shanghai before It goes.
They always come up crap though when I try.
marky
02-05-2007, 09:40 AM
Those Maple trees form part of the Canadian war memorial, don't they?. I took pics a while ago of the memorial pavement slabs and I'd advise anyone who's interested should do the same...just incase a truck cracks any. All the times I've passed down the Pier Head, I've never bothered to take pics of the ferry/restaurant buildings...nor the giant ice-cream cone at the side.
bazzara
02-05-2007, 11:10 AM
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/196/3nielsen5jb.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5808/2nielsen4lq.jpg
I think people hate the idea of this on the waterfront but like everything else it will become accepted in the future,remember the liver building caused uproar when that was first revealed.
could anyone point me in the right direction as to where abouts i can find some more information on this uproar?? or if anyone could give me any info on this? this could really help me with my dissertation.... How and why was the uproar caused?
LIVERPOOL’S world-famous Pier Head, centrepiece of the city’s World Heritage Site, is to be closed to the public for more than 15 months.
So much work is to be carried out, officials decided to turn it into a huge building site until the spring of 2008.
The riverfront, with its famous Three Graces, is one of the most photographed in the country, but is currently being surrounded by a seven-foot high fence.
It will mean that within days the Pier Head riverfront will be out of bounds to the public for the rest of Liverpool’s 800th birthday year, and until well into 2008 when the city celebrates being European Capital of Culture.Last night, Liverpool Labour leader Cllr Joe Anderson said: “This couldn’t happen at a worse time when we are parading ourselves on the world stage.
“We are into two of the most important years ever for the city, and we slam shut what is our front door. I know the work has to be done, but to do it now is a disaster. I blame inertia within the council and the fight between (former leader and chief executive) Mike Storey and Sir David Henshaw.
“It is as though somebody pressed a pause button on the city’s progress and now we are paying a heavy price for all of that squabbling and the bickering. Officials saying it will transform the city in the coming years does not cut any ice with me.
“ Even in 1207 AD, they would have known that in 2007 we would be 800 years old. It is not as though this has crept up on us.”
Ann Meek, tour manager with Maghull Coaches, who operate an open-top tourist bus service round Liverpool’s attractions said: “This will be such a shame. The Pier Head is the most popular stop along the route. People who are not interested in The Beatles or football will have seen pictures of the Pier Head. It is internationally recognised and a business stopping point for people wanting to take their own pictures. We will have to work our way around this.”
British Waterways will be constructing a canal link across the Pier Head, but there will also be extensive public realm work and the construction of a new marshalling area for cars waiting for the Isle of Man ferries. continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=pier-head-closed-off-until-spring-%2D%2D8217%2D08%26method=full%26objectid=18578453% 26page=2%26siteid=50061-name_page.html).....
scouserdave
02-05-2007, 05:29 PM
WTF are they doing? We're celebrating our 800th birthday and they decide to do this? Why am I not surprised.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:
Paul D
02-05-2007, 05:30 PM
This gives all of the Capital of Culture knockers all of the ammunition they needed,instead of focusing on all of the positives that are happening we've given them the headlines they crave.British Waterways changed their plans 5 times so that hasn't helped,it'll be fantastic when it's done but I'd hoped at least the canal would've been finished.
scouserdave
02-05-2007, 06:04 PM
Waterways must be laughing, crying whilst reading this news (can one do all three at the same time?)
PhilipG
02-05-2007, 06:32 PM
Buses only going as far as Lewis's.
Streets closed round the Paradise Project.
And now the Pier Head is going to be out of bounds.
Why, all of a sudden, is the public barred from parts of their city?
In the past, they would make sure that the public weren't so inconvenienced.
I hope 2008 is going to be worth it!
shytalk
02-05-2007, 07:03 PM
Great pics scouslad, you are in the right thread, post #166 shows them too. :037:
petecarr
02-05-2007, 07:16 PM
Good lord what a brilliant idea. They should hire TopGear. They get things done uber fast. Canal in 1 day, no probs.
Cracking pics Lad, thanks.
There's a few more taken by the Museum guys over at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalmuseumsliverpool/sets/72157594467459766/
Thanks for that link Dave :)
ScouseLad
02-05-2007, 07:27 PM
Cracking pics Lad, thanks.
There's a few more taken by the Museum guys over at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalmuseumsliverpool/sets/72157594467459766/
Cheers scouserdave - still think my pics are better tho :razz:
scouserdave
02-05-2007, 08:29 PM
Cheers scouserdave - still think my pics are better tho :razz:
Goes without saying mate:PDT_Piratz_26:
LIVERPOOL’S world-famous Pier Head, centrepiece of the city’s World Heritage Site, is to be closed to the public for more than 15 months.
So much work is to be carried out, officials decided to turn it into a huge building site until the spring of 2008.
The riverfront, with its famous Three Graces, is one of the most photographed in the country, but is currently being surrounded by a seven-foot high fence.
It will mean that within days the Pier Head riverfront will be out of bounds to the public for the rest of Liverpool’s 800th birthday year, and until well into 2008 when the city celebrates being European Capital of Culture.Last night, Liverpool Labour leader Cllr Joe Anderson said: “This couldn’t happen at a worse time when we are parading ourselves on the world stage.
“We are into two of the most important years ever for the city, and we slam shut what is our front door. I know the work has to be done, but to do it now is a disaster. I blame inertia within the council and the fight between (former leader and chief executive) Mike Storey and Sir David Henshaw.
“It is as though somebody pressed a pause button on the city’s progress and now we are paying a heavy price for all of that squabbling and the bickering. Officials saying it will transform the city in the coming years does not cut any ice with me.
“ Even in 1207 AD, they would have known that in 2007 we would be 800 years old. It is not as though this has crept up on us.”
Ann Meek, tour manager with Maghull Coaches, who operate an open-top tourist bus service round Liverpool’s attractions said: “This will be such a shame. The Pier Head is the most popular stop along the route. People who are not interested in The Beatles or football will have seen pictures of the Pier Head. It is internationally recognised and a business stopping point for people wanting to take their own pictures. We will have to work our way around this.”
British Waterways will be constructing a canal link across the Pier Head, but there will also be extensive public realm work and the construction of a new marshalling area for cars waiting for the Isle of Man ferries. continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=pier-head-closed-off-until-spring-%2D%2D8217%2D08%26method=full%26objectid=18578453% 26page=2%26siteid=50061-name_page.html).....
Looks like a job for Snappel and his boys to keep carrying on the photo reputation the Pier Head has.:PDT_Piratz_26:
snappel
02-06-2007, 10:39 AM
Might be possible to get some good shots from the top of one of the Three Graces. Aside from that, I'm sure photos will emerge somehow ;) I did try and have a better look at that exposed tunnel (which was an old brick-lined storm overflow drain) but when I got down to it, it had been capped with about 2 tons of concrete!!
New face of the Mersey riverfront
City Editor Larry Neild looks at the plans for remodelling Liverpool’s historic Pier Head and Mersey ferries terminal
MERSEY Ferry officials last night presented the plans to the city council that spell out the future for the service in a multi-million pound scheme that will change Liverpool Pier Head.
It comes just 48 hours after the Daily Post revealed that the world-famous waterfront is to be closed to the public until at least the spring of 2008.
Workmen have almost finished the task of erecting hoardings around the waterfront space to enable a new canal link and other works to go ahead.
The Mersey Ferry operation will continue during the work, officials at Merseytravel promised last night.
The transport executive has submitted three separate plans to Liverpool City Council’s planning department.
One is for the demolition of the existing 1960s terminal, with its familiar tented roof, while a second is for a three-storey ferry terminal building on the same site.
The third application seeks permission to erect a modular booking office close to the riverfront as a temporary office while the new terminal is being built.
Currently the river ferries are sharing the Isle of Man landing stage following the sinking in a storm last year of the old berth.
Within weeks it is hoped that contractors will move in to remove the sunken stage so that a replacement ferry stage can be moved into place.
All of the grassed area at the Pier Head is being cordoned off to enable a number of simultaneous projects to take place.
It will mean the waterfront being virtually shut down for all of Liverpool’s 800th birthday year, as well as for at least the first three months of Capital of Culture year.
The new terminal plans have already been criticised by heritage campaigners who say a modern structure will ruin the view of the Three Graces from the river. The adjoining Shanghai Palace Chinese restaurant is earmarked for demolition once it closes down on February 17.
Wayne Colquhoun, of the Liverpool Preservation Trust, has already alerted the World Heritage Sites headquarters in Paris about the proposals for the new ferry terminal, saying the proposed three-storey structure will harm the city’s status as a world heritage site.
A spokesman for Merseytravel said last night: “We have submitted our planning application and we await a decision from the planning committee. The start date for the project will depend on when a decision is reached by the committee.”
I really don't understand how people can call this project damaging to our waterfront. What's damaging is the hideous 1960's lump of concrete that is sitting there now. The new terminal will only be 3 storeys high and will be made from similair materials to the graces.
Might be possible to get some good shots from the top of one of the Three Graces. Aside from that, I'm sure photos will emerge somehow ;) I did try and have a better look at that exposed tunnel (which was an old brick-lined storm overflow drain) but when I got down to it, it had been capped with about 2 tons of concrete!!
His Ninja eye Is working on already!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Paul D
02-08-2007, 01:32 PM
There will be a new publicly accessible sunken piazza to provide a parade of restaurants, cafes and shops on the riverside frontage of the building – attracting many newcomers to the waterfront.
There will also be an underground car park to replace the ground level parking area in front of the building.
It's going to come alive when all of the new developments are completed.
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=%2D20m-makeover-plan-as-dome-looks-to-future%26method=full%26objectid=18592699%26siteid= 50061-name_page.html
This sounds mad
One proposal is to fit a “walk of death” glass floor just beneath the dome to give visitors an uninterrupted view of the interior of the building, which celebrates its 100th birthday this year.
This will be a brilliant place to view the city from.
Equipping the enormous dome with a new glass floor and converting it into a public viewing gallery will allow people to experience stunning views across the city’s World Heritage Waterfront – from a vantage point never previously available.
PhilipG
02-08-2007, 01:38 PM
I was there yesterday, and the blue metal fences (probably only temporary) are low enough to point a camera over.
Why can't they put "windows" in the fences, so the public can see the progress?
It's not as if we don't know what they're doing!
10th Feb 2007 - Canal Link (scroll across)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/138/385555845_a78d4e3069_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/385555845/)
Paul D
02-10-2007, 05:07 PM
I can't wait until it's all finished,all of this digging is doing me head in,tar Kev.
I'm sure it will all be worth it in the end.:celb (23):
I can't wait until it's all finished,all of this digging is doing me head in,tar Kev.
I'm sure it will all be worth it in the end.:celb (23):
I feel it will Paul, despite the sadness of all the construction etc.... I felt a buzz of excitement down there yesterday as I viewed the uncovered Manchester Dock (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3480) and looked at the canal work. The place will be alive in a few years time.
The Teardrop Explodes
02-11-2007, 08:29 PM
...and I'll bet that 80/90% on here, and elsewhere, would love to see the Manchester and Chester remain excavated, restored and somehow worked into the scheme?
I know it's probably impossible to revise all the plans at this stage, and I'm genuinely excited by the proposals (as far as they go) but it just seems a real shame to needlessly lose chunks of our history..again
Read the info on here:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/385667542_0ed07f2c2d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/385667542/)
The Teardrop Explodes
02-11-2007, 11:00 PM
...aye, I knew all that, the fact that we'll recover the trinkets etc and display them.
I'm talking more about the tempoarily excavated docks themselves and how they weren't factored into being a permanent, restored part of the new Mann Island plan.
I suppose I'm just repeating Waterworks original post but I have to say I think he was right.
These docks should have a thick glass floor above so they can be viewed from above or be accessible similar to the old castle ruins in Paris.
10th Feb 2007 - Canal Link (scroll across)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/138/385555845_a78d4e3069_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/385555845/)
Since when have you become another Snappel?:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:
These docks should have a thick glass floor above so they can be viewed from above or be accessible similar to the old castle ruins in Paris.
What If Fat people fall through the glass?:eek:
theninesisters
02-12-2007, 01:45 PM
What If Fat people fall through the glass?:eek:
Isn't part of Blackpool tower glass plated on the floor? Maybe we could have a forum day out and see if we can all jump up and down on it :eek: :)
I've done that In Lifts.:eek:
Paul D
02-12-2007, 02:54 PM
Isn't part of Blackpool tower glass plated on the floor? Maybe we could have a forum day out and see if we can all jump up and down on it :eek: :)
They're looking into doing that with the dome of the Port of Liverpool building,they want to create a walk of death.:)
Isn't part of Blackpool tower glass plated on the floor? Maybe we could have a forum day out and see if we can all jump up and down on it :eek: :)
Indeed it is.. the entire lift floor is glass....not good for yo'sters wiv vertigo :D
They're looking into doing that with the dome of the Port of Liverpool building,they want to create a walk of death.:)
The leap of faith .. :D
)3az )3aziah
02-12-2007, 09:26 PM
I'm new here and hope this is in the correct forum. If not I'm sorry.
I noticed last week that the yhad boarded up the area around the grass and paved walkway at the pier head and began an experimental dig to the right of the central statue. This morning looking from the window on the 7th floor of the Liver buildings I noticed that they had found something some six feet down. It appears to be a large sandstone wall, that they obviously didn't know was there as several site engineers spent a few hours looking it over.
I have attached three pictures, the first from the office window and the other two from ground level -through the fence. They wouldn't let me through to take a better picture.
Does anyone have any idea what it might be ?
Hi and welcome (is it Baz?) Looks like uncovered dock wall or something like that.
The pics are great!
Kev
We have threads on simlilar digs around pier head see: Manchester Dock (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3480)
There is also a pier head thread here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262)
)3az )3aziah
02-12-2007, 09:45 PM
Hi, thanks for the welcome. Yes it is Baz -just a bit, well fancy !
This forum is fantastic, I'm going to be spending a lot of time around here in the near future as there is so much to catch up on.
I will see if I can find out any more tomorrow and maybe get some closer pics.
Fantastic, glad you have found us, I look forward to your future contributions :handclap:
Kev :PDT_Aliboronz_24:
The Teardrop Explodes
02-12-2007, 09:56 PM
Hi, thanks for the welcome. Yes it is Baz -just a bit, well fancy !
This forum is fantastic, I'm going to be spending a lot of time around here in the near future as there is so much to catch up on.
I will see if I can find out any more tomorrow and maybe get some closer pics.
Hi Baz.
Welcome on-site so to speak
That wall. Is it going across the line of the intended canal?!:shock:
Oopps!
)3az )3aziah
02-12-2007, 10:09 PM
Looking from the office and looking at the plans I have seen on the internet it does look as if the new 'canal' will cut across this wall.
It will be a real loss of Liverpool history if they just clear it all away to make way for more 21st century concrete sprawl.
snappel
02-13-2007, 04:47 PM
Nice pictures. I think you'll find that the 'wall' is an abandoned Victorian sewer. I could be wrong, but there is one there in that area. It will have been built with brick walls and then local sandstone slabs used for the top. They're actually pretty solid, and have lasted well.
I have some pictures of my own to add a bit later from earlier today, although they don't show much that hasn't already been seen.
That wall looks as though it would run parallel with the canal route rather than across it, doesn't it?
)3az )3aziah
02-13-2007, 08:15 PM
Sadly its a bit of a moot point now as this was the scene around lunchtime today. The contractors had bulldozed the whole thing and now all that is left is three piles of sandstone boulders no bigger than your head.
Well at least the concrete canal will replace it and add to the concrete sprawl that is becoming liverpool :disgust:
Thanks for the update :)
Well at least the concrete canal will replace it and add to the concrete sprawl that is becoming liverpool :disgust:
Honestly? Maybe you mean the Pier Head rather than 'Liverpool'?
The Teardrop Explodes
02-13-2007, 10:03 PM
...it's debatable I suppose..
Kev, do you like the look of the emerging PSD? Not keen on the red-tiled backs to the buildings like the new Lewiss' and a couple of the others there. Hopefilly they'll be covered by the hotels on the Strand.
Have they started owt on the St.Lukes side of Hanover St yet? Looking at the official site it reads as if they're still waiting for purchase or planning for those plots...?
Anyway I'll be looking forward to seeing all this for myself- first time home in over a year, huzzah!
Its a huge development that is slowly emerging from the depths of old Chavasse Park. I think the finished area will be fab. Obviously at the mo it doesn't look that nice :)
The Teardrop Explodes
02-13-2007, 10:16 PM
Stuff You Haven't Seen If You Haven't Been In Liverpool For 13 Months
Beetham West
Alex Tower
Any PSD buildings
Kings Dock Arena or car-park
L1's deserted Marie-Celeste site
Manch and Chester dock excavations
World Museum(?)
Unity's portakabin
St. Pauls Square
Baltic Triangle stuff
Loads around Ropeworks, Dukie, elsewhere ??
That's a lot of happening for one year.
The Teardrop Explodes
02-13-2007, 10:21 PM
Its a huge development that is slowly emerging from the depths of old Chavasse Park. I think the finished area will be fab. Obviously at the mo it doesn't look that nice :)
Aye, but that Everton masterplan's 3-4 times the size (in terms of area anyway)!! It was you I talked about this to wasn't it?
What was the budget for the PSD? Hope the Everton and Islington budgets are similarly 'fit for purpose.'
scouserdave
02-13-2007, 11:56 PM
Aye, but that Everton masterplan's 3-4 times the size (in terms of area anyway)!! It was you I talked about this to wasn't it?
What was the budget for the PSD? Hope the Everton and Islington budgets are similarly 'fit for purpose.'
You don't need as much money for Everton and Islington because there's almost fluck all there. It's a bit like an artist starting with a blank canvas.
Sadly its a bit of a moot point now as this was the scene around lunchtime today. The contractors had bulldozed the whole thing and now all that is left is three piles of sandstone boulders no bigger than your head.
Well at least the concrete canal will replace it and add to the concrete sprawl that is becoming liverpool :disgust:
Nice to see you have such positive views of Liverpools' regeneration. I'm fed up of people who don't like change calling it a concrete sprawl. This is such a niave and pathetic comment. Concrete sprawls are 60's council estates and places like benidorm. There is alot of concrete around Liverpool now mainly because of all the construction, but soon there will be very little as the projects near completion.:)
The Teardrop Explodes
02-14-2007, 12:46 AM
You don't need as much money for Everton and Islington because there's almost fluck all there. It's a bit like an artist starting with a blank canvas.
I just hope they do it well y'know?
It would be nice to see as much care and attention (and prestige) giving people back the communities they deserve as much as creating shopping malls.
)3az )3aziah
02-14-2007, 01:35 AM
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Nice to see you have such positive views of Liverpools' regeneration. I'm fed up of people who don't like change calling it a concrete sprawl. This is such a niave and pathetic comment. Concrete sprawls are 60's council estates and places like benidorm. There is alot of concrete around Liverpool now mainly because of all the construction, but soon there will be very little as the projects near completion.:)
I have to disagree. If you compare the 'things' they are throwing up now to the likes of India buildings, the Liver and its two consorts, most of the top end of Water street and the Museum area, what they are putting up now is just pure cr@p.
How you can also say that after the construction there will be very little concrete is beyond me, all the new 'buildings' I've seen so far are made of the stuff.
On a lighter note though which part of Clubmoor do you live in as I'm just up the road from there ?
shytalk
02-14-2007, 02:32 AM
I have to disagree. If you compare the 'things' they are throwing up now to the likes of India buildings, the Liver and its two consorts, most of the top end of Water street and the Museum area, what they are putting up now is just pure cr@p.
How you can also say that after the construction there will be very little concrete is beyond me, all the new 'buildings' I've seen so far are made of the stuff
Just what do you think the Liver Building was constructed with? :037:
PhilipG
02-14-2007, 03:04 AM
Just what do you think the Liver Building was constructed with? :037:
Now let me guess?
.....................
But it was clad with granite. :celb (23):
I'd much rather have Liverpool in its present state than it was through the 80's and 90's - its very exciting in town now. The other areas where warehouses are being converted amongst new builds can't be described as concrete sprawl when significant buildings from the 1700's are being renovated anlong with the area - of course I'm referring to the Rope Walks area.
I have to disagree. If you compare the 'things' they are throwing up now to the likes of India buildings, the Liver and its two consorts, most of the top end of Water street and the Museum area, what they are putting up now is just pure cr@p.
How you can also say that after the construction there will be very little concrete is beyond me, all the new 'buildings' I've seen so far are made of the stuff.
On a lighter note though which part of Clubmoor do you live in as I'm just up the road from there ?
Firstly, alot of buildings being built are made from concrete such as the PSD, but when finished will be clad in glass, brick etc. Most buildings in the world are built with concrete as the foundations, but then covered with more pleasant materials as concrete is one of the most reliable and strongest materials around. Secondly, there are very few buildings where the exterior is made from concrete, and most of them are being demolished or actually look decent. Thirdly, think of what Liverpool looked like even just ten years ago. There was countless ugly concrete tower blocks in places like Everton, Kensington and Croxteth, which have all been demolished. Liverpool was a concrete jungle then, but not anymore. Don't forget, the Liver Building is made from re-inforced concrete.
Finally, I live in the Larkhill Lane area, where do you live?:)
)3az )3aziah
02-15-2007, 09:47 PM
Now let me guess?
.....................
But it was clad with granite. :celb (23):
Which makes it look 100% better than the modern structures they are putting up all over the city.
OK I don't like them but please that is my opinion and taking the P!ss out of me for having an opinon is a sure way of driving off a new member.
Perhaps I should have come here with an "Isn't the new Liverpool the best thing since sliced bread" attitude and been better accepted ?
)3az )3aziah
02-15-2007, 09:50 PM
I live in the Larkhill Lane area, where do you live?:)
I live just down the road from Clubmoor off Townsend Lane.
shytalk
02-15-2007, 11:15 PM
Which makes it look 100% better than the modern structures they are putting up all over the city.
OK I don't like them but please that is my opinion and taking the P!ss out of me for having an opinon is a sure way of driving off a new member.
Perhaps I should have come here with an "Isn't the new Liverpool the best thing since sliced bread" attitude and been better accepted ?
I don't think anyone was taking the ****, you were ****ging the new buildings for being concrete and praising the Liver Building which was the original steel reinforced concrete building,
)3az )3aziah
02-16-2007, 12:40 PM
I don't think anyone was taking the ****, you were ****ging the new buildings for being concrete and praising the Liver Building which was the original steel reinforced concrete building,
Yeah but you do have to admit that the Liver looks a lot, lot better than the new ones they are putting up.
They learned a lot from the construction of the Liver buildings -sadly esthetics was one that was forgotten (in my opinion) on the new buildings they are putting up now.
I'm going to say no more on the subject now and choose to stand back and keep my opinions to myself.
I still have a few more photo's to add though and will stick to that. My photography is hopefully better than my tastes in modern architecture :)
PhilipG
02-16-2007, 12:53 PM
Yeah but you do have to admit that the Liver looks a lot, lot better than the new ones they are putting up.
They learned a lot from the construction of the Liver buildings -sadly esthetics was one that was forgotten (in my opinion) on the new buildings they are putting up now.
I'm going to say no more on the subject now and choose to stand back and keep my opinions to myself.
I still have a few more photo's to add though and will stick to that. My photography is hopefully better than my tastes in modern architecture :)
You posted your "taking the P***" comment with my quote, so I don't know if you're blaming me.
I responded to a previous comment, which was meant (I'm sure) lightheartedly.
Don't be so thin-skinned & do please continue to post.
BTW, the Romans invented concrete, so it's been around for quite a while.
The Teardrop Explodes
02-16-2007, 11:27 PM
To be honest Baz, I think most of us would share your concerns about most commercial modern architecture in terms of:
1.)its lack if finish.
2.)its overuse of short-lived faddy cliches. Remember the curved roof fad?
3.)the modern economic inability to construct any stucture that isn't a simple mass-produced square, rectangle, circle or oval- leading to rectangular blocks everywhere rather than the spires, domes, irregular differentiated structures of yore.
Baz, I speak as a contemporary designer and a hyper-modernist, but you had a point, yes, modern architecture is, in many ways a heap of cheap, crude, simplified, unskilled, generic, synthetic, plazzy, ****e.
But: old stuff v new stuff- it's like comparing oranges to pears. And it's not going to change, so we just have to try to like the plazzy ****e!
We've got some ok stuff going up here despite the all the above shortcomings.
)3az )3aziah
02-18-2007, 10:08 PM
To be honest Baz, I think most of us would share your concerns about most commercial modern architecture in terms of:
1.)its lack if finish.
2.)its overuse of short-lived faddy cliches. Remember the curved roof fad?
3.)the modern economic inability to construct any stucture that isn't a simple mass-produced square, rectangle, circle or oval- leading to rectangular blocks everywhere rather than the spires, domes, irregular differentiated structures of yore.
Baz, I speak as a contemporary designer and a hyper-modernist, but you had a point, yes, modern architecture is, in many ways a heap of cheap, crude, simplified, unskilled, generic, synthetic, plazzy, ****e.
But: old stuff v new stuff- it's like comparing oranges to pears. And it's not going to change, so we just have to try to like the plazzy ****e!
We've got some ok stuff going up here despite the all the above shortcomings.
I cant agree more, though I do like Oranges more than Pears :)
Paul D
02-20-2007, 05:22 PM
Dig unearths maritime past
THE city’s maritime past is being explored by a team of archaeologists on the Liverpool waterfront.
A dig is taking place in the Manchester Dock, Mann Island, which once teemed with barges coming and going between 1785 and 1920.
The excavation takes place before work on the new Museum of Liverpool begins this year.
The dock was originally used as a depot for barges of the Shropshire Union Canal Company and Great Western Railway.
It played an important role in Liverpool’s import and export trade. It handled coal and manufactured goods leaving the city and corn and cotton coming in.
The dock had been filled in with rubble from the construction of the Mersey tunnel.
Among the discoveries are torpedo shaped pots used in the manufacture of sugar.
These artefacts from Liverpool’s industrial history and other finds will be displayed in one of the new museum’s key galleries.
The museum will be built by 2008 and open to the public in 2010. It will be housed in a new landmark building and cover the social history and popular culture of Merseyside.
Viewing platforms, running along the riverside, allow the public to view the excavation for the next fortnight.
LIVERPOOL’S oldest horse taxi service has been moved from its traditional rank at the Pier Head as work starts on the UK’s first canal project for more than a century. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=horses-are-on-the-move-for-city%2D%2D8217%2Ds-new-canal-link%26method=full%26objectid=18681885%26siteid=50 061-name_page.html)
The Teardrop Explodes
02-27-2007, 10:20 PM
"Liverpool's oldest horse-taxi service"
????!!!!!
*S******
I've never EVER seen it!
PhilipG
02-27-2007, 10:54 PM
"Liverpool's oldest horse-taxi service" ????!!!!!
*S******
I've never EVER seen it!
Probably because
it never gets to London! :)
He used to have his stables near the Pivvy in Lodge Lane, but I don't know where he's based now.
LIVERPOOL’S Pier Head will be open in time for Capital of Culture celebrations. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=non%2Dstop-work-at-pier-head%26method=full%26objectid=18696743%26siteid=50 061-name_page.html)
Paul D
03-02-2007, 03:22 PM
Brilliant news.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
About a year ago I read that the Liver Building and other buildings around the city such as the town hall could get a clean before 2008. Does anyone know if this is still planned? The town hall could certainly do with a sandblasting. It would be the same colour as St Georges Hall after cleaning!!:shock:
WORK will start within days on the new Museum of Liverpool at the city’s historic waterfront.
National Museums Liverpool confirmed it had chosen a UK-Danish contractor to build the multi-million pound showpiece building on the day that a controversial new terminal for the Mersey Ferries also won planning approval.
continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_headline=work-starts-next-week-on-riverfront-museum%26method=full%26objectid=18750049%26siteid= 50061-name_page.html).....
Paul D
03-14-2007, 05:44 PM
Yesss!!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
scouserdave
03-22-2007, 10:19 PM
A couple of shots from yesterday
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/ph001.jpg
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/ph002.jpg
A.D.W
03-22-2007, 10:43 PM
More!
:)
Gerard
03-22-2007, 11:58 PM
A couple of shots from yesterday
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/ph001.jpg
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/ph002.jpg
Thats my Coffee enabled you to do that.
Boss Photies Sir :handclap:
scouserdave
03-23-2007, 12:05 AM
Thats my Coffee enabled you to do that.
Boss Photies Sir :handclap:
Thanks Gerard,
ran up the side of the building after the amount of coffee you shoved down my neck mate. Don't need Purple Hearts when you're around.
Seriously though, thanks. You know how to welcome a person. I hope I can return the welcome one day:PDT11
Gerard
03-23-2007, 12:25 AM
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Great stuff, when did you get the chopper?
scouserdave
03-24-2007, 05:48 PM
Just heard that a Smit barge is in place on the river, complete with an excavator and dragline crane and they are breaking up the old stage. Appreciate any photies folks.
A.D.W
03-25-2007, 02:51 PM
Just heard that a Smit barge is in place on the river, complete with an excavator and dragline crane and they are breaking up the old stage. Appreciate any photies folks.
I was down there this morning. I'll upload the video I made in about an hour and a half.
:)
scouserdave
03-25-2007, 02:55 PM
Nice one Dave, thanks. Was it worth the visit? Wish I was there.
A.D.W
03-25-2007, 02:59 PM
Nice one Dave, thanks. Was it worth the visit? Wish I was there.
Yes, but the Pier Head is a right dump at the moment. You'll see it on the video. You have broadband I hope!
:eek:
scouserdave
03-25-2007, 03:17 PM
Yes, but the Pier Head is a right dump at the moment. You'll see it on the video. You have broadband I hope!
:eek:
I'm doing a bit of work, so I'll see it when get back home. Looking forward to it:PDT_Piratz_26:
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