I found this on the bbc website.
A pic of a blue stone/plaque dated 1820. Apparently in Martindales car park in St Anne St.

Any ideas what it is??

That's a very odd location isn't it? :)

i know!
it must have had to have been left there for something??

I found this on the bbc website.
A pic of a blue stone/plaque dated 1820. Apparently in Martindales car park in St Anne St.

Any ideas what it is??

Did it say anything about it on the BBC website?

no...a guy sent it in, wanting to know what it was...he said he asked the staff at martindales, but they had no idea.

any more thoughts on this guys?

It's probably something to do with St Anne's Church that was once there (hence the name).

I've checked St Anne's Church.
There were 2.
The first opened in 1772 and was demolished in 1870.
The second opened in 1871 and was demolished in 1970.
The "Annals of Liverpool" don't give any clues as to what happened in the area in 1820.
Is it the photo, or does the plaque look rather new to anybody else?

Hello Philip et al.

The plaque does not look new to me, in fact it looks corroded but recently repainted in blue and white. It's not a boundary stone of course but an iron marker set in the ground.

The symbol on the marker, the Liver Bird, officially became the symbol of Liverpool in 1797 -- so that was only 23 years before 1820. I am assuming this might have been the then boundary of Liverpool in 1820, and the marker would have been just north of the vicinity of Lime Street. This was before the boundary of Liverpool was extended in 1835 to take in part of Toxteth Park, Kirkdale, Everton, and part of West Derby (see map in Peter Aughton's Liverpool: A People's History, p. 113).

Here is the BBC page where MissInformed found the image:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/localhistory/my_memory/david_jones.shtml

And here's a map to locate the marker on St. Anne Street. (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=335083&y=391357&z=0&sv=335083,391357&st=OSGrid&lu=N&tl=St%20Anne%20(Richmond)%20Church%20of%20England, %20Liverpool&ar=y&bi=~&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf)

Chris

I've checked the 1908 OS map, and Rose Place was the "Divn. of Parly. Boro. & Ward Bdy." (sic).
Division (?) of Parliamentary Borough and Ward Boundary.

I've checked the 1908 OS map, and Rose Place was the "Divn. of Parly. Boro. & Ward Bdy." (sic).
Division (?) of Parliamentary Borough and Ward Boundary.

Thanks, Philip. Is that 1908 map available on line somewhere? I know that Toxteth.net has the map on-line at least for part of Toxteth and part of the centre city.

Chris

Thanks, Philip. Is that 1908 map available on line somewhere? I know that Toxteth.net has the map on-line at least for part of Toxteth and part of the centre city.

Chris

A Google Search for "Alan Godfrey Maps" will find all the details.
I got the info from the "Liverpool (North) 1906" edition.
They're about £2 each.
BTW, the difference in the dates is when the map was surveyed, and when it was published.

A Google Search for "Alan Godfrey Maps" will find all the details.
I got the info from the "Liverpool (North) 1906" edition.
They're about £2 each.
BTW, the difference in the dates is when the map was surveyed, and when it was published.

Thanks, Philip, for that information.

Chris

Thanks all for info
It's little finds like this that make our city great!

Hi Chris, forgive me for putting my nose in when i'm not sure of the facts but i thought the liver bird never came into being untill the early 1900s. As a result of the forgotten German winning the design compitition for it.