Mysterious House of Mulgrave Street

[MissInformed]

Does anyone have any pics of this house?
I would love to see one.

I think it was classed as both Upper Parliament street AND Mulgrave street, cos it stretched around the corner.

[PhilipG]

Does anyone have any pics of this house?
I would love to see one.

I think it was classed as both Upper Parliament street AND Mulgrave street, cos it stretched around the corner.

What was mysterious about it?

[MissInformed]

it was where a Miss Haversham character once lived , I read about it in a Richard Whittington Egan book, and a Tom Slemen book.

Will try and find a link to some info...

[GhostSearch]

How you getting on with that?

[PhilipG]

Is this it?

http://icseftonandwestlancs.icnetwork.co.uk/icmaghull/localmysteries/index.cfm?page=4

[MissInformed]

hi
no.,..i dont think it is...

I am off work tomorrow, so i will type out the story on here from the whittington egan book...

[MissInformed]

The Mystery House of Mulgrave Street.


....."I remember, that we used to pass a dreary, three-story, red brick house whose dust-curtained window lent to it a forlorn and distinctly sinister apect.
The house stood on the corner of Mulgrave Street and Upper Parliament Streets, and my nurse, would always scurry past it with piously averted eyes.
So far as I could discover, no one had ever been within its forbidding walls, but I gathered that it was the home of an old, old lady who had once been engaged to be married. On her wedding morning, the bride had waited at the church for the groom in vain. He never turned up, and the heart broken girl returned alone to the house where the wedding breakfast lay waiting. She went in, closed the door behind her, and never again emerged. From that day onwards the house remained shuttered and lifeless, the table still laid, the feast turning to dust , the sorrowing bride gradually changing from a lovely young girl, into an old wrinkled woman in a yellowing wedding dress......"

The house was listed as both 1 Mulgrave Street and 166 Upper Parliament Street.

Whittington Egan proves the story a myth, but it would still be cool to see a pic if there is one.

[snappel]

Yes, it does sound straight out of Great Expectations!! Would that house have been on the small bit of wasteland next to the 'Woolton College of Higher Education' (or whatever it is), or perhaps over the road where the modern houses / kids playarea is?

EDIT: My mistake, just checked a map. Would have been further down (keep getting Mulgrave and Kingsley mixed up!!).

[MissInformed]

Yes, it does sound straight out of Great Expectations!! Would that house have been on the small bit of wasteland next to the 'Woolton College of Higher Education' (or whatever it is), or perhaps over the road where the modern houses / kids playarea is?

I think it would have been where the play area is...with the green railings/fencing around...

what a shame!

[Waterways]

I think it would have been where the play area is...with the green railings/fencing around...

what a shame!

A fella I once worked with lived a few doors away. I'm sure it had an "area" with the sandstone bases still around where the railings were pulled up in WW2.

[MissInformed]

ooohhhh...interesting!!

i knew you lot would know something!

[PhilipG]

This is from the 1953 OS map.
It was next to the Charles Wooton Centre (I did a course there, years ago).
That building is still there, and it would have been the same design as the Mysterious House.

The 1936 Street Directory doesn't list either of the 2 addresses (166 or 1), so it was probably unoccupied then.

What time period was the story (although it isn't true) supposed to have happened?

[Waterways]

This is from the 1953 OS map.
It was next to the Charles Wooton Centre (I did a course there, years ago).
That building is still there, and it would have been the same design as the Mysterious House.

The 1936 Street Directory doesn't list either of the 2 addresses (166 or 1), so it was probably unoccupied then.

What time period was the story (although it isn't true) supposed to have happened?


MY mate lived next door or next door but one at no 3 or 5.

Phillip, what site is the full OS map at?

[MissInformed]

This is from the 1953 OS map.
It was next to the Charles Wooton Centre (I did a course there, years ago).
That building is still there, and it would have been the same design as the Mysterious House.

The 1936 Street Directory doesn't list either of the 2 addresses (166 or 1), so it was probably unoccupied then.

What time period was the story (although it isn't true) supposed to have happened?

Many thanks Philip

Will have a look at the Charles Wooton centre tomorrow...

[PhilipG]

Phillip, what site is the full OS map at?

It's from a photocopy.
Central Library has the full set, from post-war right up-to-date.

I've got all of L8 from the 1950s, & will answer requests.

[MissInformed]

I think it is from about 1903-1906.

It was an urban myth though, so I think the actual story has gone around for maybe 100 years after!

[snappel]

No no no... the Charles Wootton centre is on the corner of Kingsley Road, further up. It's a different corner...

[PhilipG]

No no no... the Charles Wootton centre is on the corner of Kingsley Road, further up. It's a different corner...

Oops, sorry. :eek:
Somebody else mentioned Charles Wooton.

I must write out 100 times:

Always check your facts.
Always check your facts.
Always check your facts.
Always check your facts.
Always check your facts.

[PhilipG]

EDIT: My mistake, just checked a map. Would have been further down (keep getting Mulgrave and Kingsley mixed up!!).

Me too! :celb (23):

[MissInformed]

easy mistaka to make-a!

[lindylou]

ooohhhh...interesting!!

i knew you lot would know something!

I love this forum for finding out stuff :celb (23): .. there's sure to be sombody who knows something or someone. :)

[PhilipG]

Hello MissInformed.

Now that I can scan again, here is the corner we were talking about.

1953 OS map.

[MissInformed]

that's great philip.

[snappel]

Is that Smithdown Road...?

[Waterways]

Is that Smithdown Road...?

yep:
http://www.toxteth.net/maps/liverpool/images/big_toxteth_mapbw_1x7.gif