Lost Liverpool Suburbs & Districts

[Samp]

This thread was started with the demise of some old Liverpool buildings. Then it was advocated it should include structures as well. Well what about districts?

During the slum clearance programme of the 60’s and 70’s the entire district of Everton disappeared. With the exception of a few churches and a few pubs, every road with shops and streets with houses disappeared. A few new buildings have been built over the years but the main area has been turned into vast parkland.
Some may say for the better and certainly there was a lot of slum property spread along the hillside, but think about it! One of the oldest villages on Merseyside has gone forever; the only trace left is the old lockup on the brow. How about that for culture?

[pablo42]

So true Samp. It's been unbelievable what's happened there.

[Ged]

Samp. When you look at the pre war housing of Kirkdale's flower streets still going strong, and Lambeth Road, then there's the pre WWI housing on Summer Seat and Bevington Hill in Vauxhall. They have a lot more character than the new red brick housing that looks like anywhere land as it all looks the same. I think i'd rather see old conway st, havelock st, sackville st and Fairy st than the desolation that's there now.

[Spike]

Anfield is losing a lot now. Kensington has lost loads and Toxteth. All houses that could have been fixed up instead of building these cardboard boxes.

[Kev]

Just off Wavertree Road everything seems to be coming down!

[pablo42]

We'll have no city left at this rate.

[Ged]

A lot of the dereliction of some districts though will have housing rebuilt on it. The case in point with Everton is, high rise were built so decreasing the footprint with the rest landscaped. Now the high rise have gone and in many cases without housing built on their relatively small footprint, it can seem like a ghost town area.

[Waterways]

Lost districts?

Nova Scotia
Harrington (still there but name not used)
Vauxhall - I see little left if any

[pablo42]

Lost districts?

Nova Scotia
Harrington (still there but name not used)
Vauxhall - I see little left if any


Never heard of Nova Scotia WW. Where was that?

[Ged]

I'd say Vauxhall with the Eldonian Village (which was previously Tate & Lyle) and the housing between the East side of Vauxhall road running up to the West side of Scotland road is as heavily populated as ever. Certainly not so with Everton though.

Everton is the district being featured in the new pier head museum because it has undoubtedly had the most diverse housing over the centuries including Merchant houses, mansions, courts, terraced, tenements, high rise and now garden houses.

There is certainly more desolation and park space around there now than ever.

[pablo42]

I'd say Vauxhall with the Eldonian Village (which was previously Tate & Lyle) and the housing between the East side of Vauxhall road running up to the West side of Scotland road is as heavily populated as ever. Certainly not so with Everton though.

Everton is the district being featured in the new pier head museum because it has undoubtedly had the most diverse housing over the centuries including Merchant houses, mansions, courts, terraced, tenements, high rise and now garden houses.

There is certainly more desolation and park space around there now than ever.

Up there the other week, it's a bit barren. Great to have that parkland though with the views of my house.

[Debra]

I remember alot about Everton , i was born there , i remember it being cosy , little shops and pubs everywhere , Beacon lane had shops and the Beacon light pub on the corner ... And then there were the streets , all lined up , Leadenhall street is where my lifelong friend lived before they were shipped out to Pinehurst Avenue , York Terrece made way for flats , and Our Lady's school was re-built , the social club doubled as a church .. All gone now , everything ..It was clearing a house of beautiful old furniture , and filling it with crap from Ikea .

[pablo42]

I remember alot about Everton , i was born there , i remember it being cosy , little shops and pubs everywhere , Beacon lane had shops and the Beacon light pub on the corner ... And then there were the streets , all lined up , Leadenhall street is where my lifelong friend lived before they were shipped out to Pinehurst Avenue , York Terrece made way for flats , and Our Lady's school was re-built , the social club doubled as a church .. All gone now , everything ..It was clearing a house of beautiful old furniture , and filling it with crap from Ikea .

I remeber doing some work on a chemist down Great Homer Street. It was all beautiful wood columns and etched glass. It was tore down. Tragic.

[Debra]

I remeber doing some work on a chemist down Great Homer Street. It was all beautiful wood columns and etched glass. It was tore down. Tragic.

It is tragic , they haven no regard for things of beauty , it makes me want to weep .

[pablo42]

It is tragic , they haven no regard for things of beauty , it makes me want to weep .

yeah, there were some great pubs that were disposed of too. Some of the interiors were outstanding. Don't remember the names though. They were on Greaty were the Northern Fruit maket was. Wallasey approach there now.

[ChrisGeorge]

I remeber doing some work on a chemist down Great Homer Street. It was all beautiful wood columns and etched glass. It was tore down. Tragic.

Have to watch out for you, Pabs. First you go to work on a chemist and then on another thread, you are having a go at Jack Daniels. :unibrow:

Seriously, though, I don't understand why the good old buildings have to be swept away. Look at what they've done to Garston, swept it all away. It's appalling.

C

[pablo42]

Have to watch out for you, Pabs. First you go to work on a chemist and then on another thread, you are having a go at Jack Daniels. :unibrow:

Seriously, though, I don't understand why the good old buildings have to be swept away. Look at what they've done to Garston, swept it all away. It's appalling.

C

I've not spent a great deal of time the Chris, just passed through. I never knew what it was like. Love the Matchworks though and the Old Fire station.

I used to be a plumber in a previous life, so done lots of work in all types of buildings.

[Debra]

yeah, there were some great pubs that were disposed of too. Some of the interiors were outstanding. Don't remember the names though. They were on Greaty were the Northern Fruit maket was. Wallasey approach there now.

I know , all the cosyness and charachet has gone now , Greaty is desolate and very depressing indeed .

[pablo42]

I know , all the cosyness and charachet has gone now , Greaty is desolate and very depressing indeed .

It wasn't that good then neither. It's getting better though. It's not somewhere to live anymore though.

[ChrisGeorge]

One of my former girlfriends lived off Edge Lane and she and her family were moved in the Sixties out to Cantrill Farm. . . They moved a lot of families out to such soulless estates. Ugh. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

[kdraper42]

I havent been to Everton for 35 yrs, my wife used to live in Eastbourne street, all down now I think, and at the top of their street was the Everton monument. I hope thats still there.

[ChrisGeorge]

I havent been to Everton for 35 yrs, my wife used to live in Eastbourne street, all down now I think, and at the top of their street was the Everton monument. I hope thats still there.

You probably mean the lockup don't you, that's on Everton's badge. Yes it's still there. Nice of them to leave something. . . . :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

C

[Debra]

It wasn't that good then neither. It's getting better though. It's not somewhere to live anymore though.

No it is'nt , i would hate to live there , i even hate driving along there to get home ...

[kdraper42]

Yes thats the one Chris, we used to dink in a pub I think was called The Prince Rupert, or was it William ?I forget It was that long ago.

[pablo42]

No it is'nt , i would hate to live there , i even hate driving along there to get home ...

Yeah, its a bit grim

[Debra]

Yeah, its a bit grim

It makes me appreciate trees .

[pablo42]

It makes me appreciate trees .

Gone a lot greener up that way now. Do you remember those brown stone buildings on Boundary Street. They pulled them down. Criminal.

[Debra]

Gone a lot greener up that way now. Do you remember those brown stone buildings on Boundary Street. They pulled them down. Criminal.

Yes the houses with the steps leading up to them ? My doctors was there on that row , beautiful houses , imagine having one of them now ..

[pablo42]

Yes the houses with the steps leading up to them ? My doctors was there on that row , beautiful houses , imagine having one of them now ..

I always thought they'd be saved.

[ChrisGeorge]

Yes thats the one Chris, we used to dink in a pub I think was called The Prince Rupert, or was it William ?I forget It was that long ago.

It would have been the Prince Rupert. The history is that Prince Rupert, a German cousin of King Charles I, led the Royal army that beseiged Liverpool during the English Civil War in the 1640's and there was a building in Everton known as "Prince Rupert's Cottage" -- it is in one of Herdman's paintings. I don't know whether the pub was in the same cottage.

C

[Ged]

Everton has some great history attached to it. Eastbourne st, Westbourne st and all those leading up to Brunswick Road were cleared then the infamous Radcliffe estate appeared in the mid 70s - only to be cleared itself a decade later.

[ItsaZappathing]

Try Norris Green. I used to hang around loads of the streets that have now gone. A lot has gone, the school I went to, Broadway baths, Sayers to name a few. It has changed a lot. Some of it looks very strange now.

[hmtmaj]

Fred Sayer, the great man who started his business in Old Swan...
his ashes were apparently scattered on the Lorenzo drive factory site, by reception, in a flower bed.
It's all flattened now, how sad.

[Ged]

Try Norris Green. I used to hang around loads of the streets that have now gone. A lot has gone, the school I went to, Broadway baths, Sayers to name a few. It has changed a lot. Some of it looks very strange now.

The trouble with looking for the history of Norris Green Zaps, and i've tried, is because before the late 1920s, it was mainly fields so is relatively new. The 1800s pics in the LRO search room will not include Nogsy but the likes of Everton and Toxteth are catered for in abundance.

[Samp]

I remember alot about Everton , i was born there , i remember it being cosy , little shops and pubs everywhere , Beacon lane had shops and the Beacon light pub on the corner ... And then there were the streets , all lined up , Leadenhall street is where my lifelong friend lived before they were shipped out to Pinehurst Avenue , York Terrece made way for flats , and Our Lady's school was re-built , the social club doubled as a church .. All gone now , everything ..It was clearing a house of beautiful old furniture , and filling it with crap from Ikea .


The Beacon Light, I remember it well! I had a pal who lived in Petton St, we used to drink in the Beacon Light, played darts there on Fridays. One Friday evening about 7.30 we put our name down for a game of doubles on the dart board, once we got on the board we remained unbeaten for the whole evening. The entire dart team tried to shift use but we beat everyone who tried to knock us off the board. We were asked to join the darts team but refused, as it might have cramped our drinking style.

[Partsky]

Never heard of Nova Scotia WW. Where was that?

Waterways, I share Pablo`s curiosity on this one. Where was Nova Scotia? Thanks for this interesting information.

[Ged]

Nova Scotia was an area around Mann Island and was on the time team Liverpool special in our capital of culture year where they showed old foundations and the original walls of the old dock.

[robbo176]

The Beacon Light, I remember it well! I had a pal who lived in Petton St, we used to drink in the Beacon Light, played darts there on Fridays. One Friday evening about 7.30 we put our name down for a game of doubles on the dart board, once we got on the board we remained unbeaten for the whole evening. The entire dart team tried to shift use but we beat everyone who tried to knock us off the board. We were asked to join the darts team but refused, as it might have cramped our drinking style.

I lived in Petton Street too but when I lived there it was surrounded by a bland council estate

[Samp]

I lived in Petton Street too but when I lived there it was surrounded by a bland council estate



I'm going back to the late fifties early sixties. A block of flats next to the library with a row of older houses and a woodyard opposite. Also some very old sandstone houses on the Beacon Lane end.

[Samp]

Some old pictures and postcards of early Everton. One picture showing Prince Ruperts Cottage .

The first picture shows Prince Ruperts Cottage, the view is looking up village street with your back towards the lockup.
The second picture shows the lockup area as viewed from the bottom of Everton Brow.
The third picture is the Everton hilside viewed from what is now the beginning of Great Homer St.
Fourth picture is a view of the old beacon, which was situated approximately on the corner of St Georges churchyard and Northumberland Terrace.
Fifth view is Everton hillside looking from the Kirkdale rd end of Great Homer St.
The last two are two views of the lockup and brow with the toffee shop. these two pictures are from two old postcards which I purchased some years ago.

More to follow when I can dig them out, (if you would like to see them!)

[wsteve55]

Surely would Samp!!!

[ItsaZappathing]

Some old pictures and postcards of early Everton. One picture showing Prince Ruperts Cottage .

The first picture shows Prince Ruperts Cottage, the view is looking up village street with your back towards the lockup.
The second picture shows the lockup area as viewed from the bottom of Everton Brow.
The third picture is the Everton hilside viewed from what is now the beginning of Great Homer St.
Fourth picture is a view of the old beacon, which was situated approximately on the corner of St Georges churchyard and Northumberland Terrace.
Fifth view is Everton hillside looking from the Kirkdale rd end of Great Homer St.
The last two are two views of the lockup and brow with the toffee shop. these two pictures are from two old postcards which I purchased some years ago.

More to follow when I can dig them out, (if you would like to see them!)

Nice one mate.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[wsteve55]

I'm going back to the late fifties early sixties. A block of flats next to the library with a row of older houses and a woodyard opposite. Also some very old sandstone houses on the Beacon Lane end.

Hi Samp, you wouldn't happen to have any pic's of those old houses,in Beacon lane? I know someone who's grandad lived in one of them,and he'd be made up to see any!

[Waterways]

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12567&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1264022677 (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12567&d=1264022677)

When they demolished all the 1960 flats around the lockup, they should have reinstated the village. Many developers would have willing built it. It would have acted as a catalyst for regeneration in the north end. Brought it up market. It is not too late.

[Rhoobarb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C15-P_84Ziw

"The town planner's coming so terraces run for your life"