Sport and Recreation Heritage [Archive] - Yo! Liverpool Community Forum

Kev

09-20-2005, 11:10 PM

Peeps, lets get this thread going places again.

Now we've developed a healthy taste for photography, can we please get out and about looking for buildings, sporting venues, structures, road names plus other clues and indicators to Liverpool's rich sport and recreation heritage past.

Please include any older images from various sources too, old gymnasiums, sporting venues etc...

Here's the earliest example of evidence of sport, Robin Hoods Stone (Booker Avenue) - 8ft tall. The grooves face the sun, we can assume that the Arches did their sharpening with their backs to the sun!!

http://static.flickr.com/91/251282620_221fb93db2.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251282620/)

http://static.flickr.com/116/251282806_fb3fdb22c4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251282806/)

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Sharon Willis is Europe's first female Boxing coach....She trained at the Rotundra Club...Kirkdale.

Kev

09-20-2005, 11:33 PM

Liverpool Rugby club is the oldest in the world.

Thanks to FKoE for that.

Kev

09-20-2005, 11:38 PM

Frederick street baths were the....first public baths in Liverpool and the country!

Kev

09-20-2005, 11:45 PM

Aintree Racecourse is the home of the world's most celebrated, most talked about, most magical race, the Martell Cognac Grand National. No other racecourse can compare to the sheer romance of Aintree. The mere mention of the name conjures up memories of triumph and tragedy, of battle and bravery, of victory and conquering the odds.

Today, Aintree Racecourse is one of the most sophisticated, forward thinking sporting venues in the world. It holds the richest National Hunt Race in Europe and attracts TV audiences worldwide of around 600 million. Only figures like these speak for the sheer passion the race evokes on a global basis.

Kev

09-20-2005, 11:49 PM

Football Nets...were invented by Liverpool man John Alexander Brodie in 1892!

SOUTH LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB..Garston

I'm sure was the first ever team to have a floodlit pitch!

Kev

03-27-2006, 09:28 AM

Its good to have both sides of the event shown here, thanks Vegan ;) Its also become one big 'Chav Fest' too :rolleyes:

Max

03-27-2006, 10:57 AM

Chav killer for hire is what they should be hiring at the national.

Kev

03-27-2006, 11:14 AM

Chav killer for hire is what they should be hiring at the national.

Bet u Daniel Lloyd will be there mate :p

Max

03-27-2006, 11:29 AM

It's Danielle.:p

Grand National bores me though.

Howie

03-27-2006, 09:02 PM

See the Aintree Racecourse website here (http://www.aintree.co.uk/).

Read the Grand National 2006 Souvenir Guide online here (http://www.cwcomms.com/sites/grandnat_06/).

http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/animal/927.gif

Shapers

03-30-2006, 11:56 PM

Brings a lot of money in for Liverpool.

It must be a nightmare to live round that way at the National weekend.

Jeredin

03-31-2006, 12:47 AM

Its not that bad actually, apart from the police helicopter patrolling the course throughout the night checking on all the fences its relatively unchanged for us. Plus we do get a b.o.g.o.f on tickets for the Saturday and its great being able to walk across the road to home when its freezing:)

Shapers

03-31-2006, 02:35 AM

Jeredin

04-01-2006, 12:31 AM

The way i see it is that everyone who moved into those houses knew full well what they were moving next to so should have been prepared for that.
They build a great big temporary stand just 5 foot away from my garden and people peer over my fence from it but i wouldnt complain about it as its all part and parcel of living so close to what is the envy of the world on Grand national day and you get to watch the races, hear the cheers and groans, smell the cider and hotdogs and soak up the atmosphere all from our own back windows in the warm:)

Gnomie

04-01-2006, 01:09 AM

Hi Jeredin

Can i come and sit in your garden next saturday:unibrow:

I love the atmosphere of it all

Tony

Kev

04-01-2006, 08:44 AM

Nice to hear Jeredin. Just when you read the letters pages in the Echo, people write in complaining of all the cars parking in residential areas. Suppose its no worse than what happens round Anfeild and Goodison on matchdays.

Everyone's out for a bit of $$$$ no-matter where it comes from, keep complaining=get some compo :ninja:

Howie

04-04-2006, 05:51 PM

4/4/2006

84 remain in John Smith's Grand National

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A total of 84 horses go forward for the John Smith's Grand National after today's five-day confirmation stage, including 15 from Ireland and four from France.

Hedgehunter is bidding to become the first horse to record back-to-back victories in the John Smith's Grand National since Red Rum secured the second of his three wins in 1974.

The Willie Mullins-trained 10-year-old was mightily impressive when scoring by 14 lengths last year and comes into the £700,000 race on the back of a fantastic effort in last month's totesport Cheltenham Gold Cup, when beating all bar War Of Attrition.

A maximum of 40 runners can go to post at 4.15pm on Saturday for the 159th running of the Grand National at Aintree, which means that over half of those left in will not be able to take part.

The 40th horse currently in the list is Colnel Rayburn, one of four horses on 10st 6lb. The others are Risk Accessor, Direct Access and Iris Royal and it will not be known until tomorrow morning in which order they will be treated for elimination purposes. They will then be ranked from 38th to 41st in the list on their latest handicap ratings - the John Smith's Grand National weights were decided back in February.

The 2005 second, Royal Auclair will bid to go one better this time. He is 9lb better off with Hedgehunter from a year ago and will attempt to give champion jump trainer-elect Paul Nicholls his first victory in the world famous event.

Ginger McCain, whose four triumphs in the race equals the record set by Fred Rimell, is set to have three runners this year - his final as a trainer. They are headed by 2004 hero Amberleigh House, with Peter Marsh Chase victor Ebony Light and the recently-purchased Inca Trail completing his trio.

Clan Royal, unluckily carried out when in the lead at Becher's second time around last year having been second in 2004, will represent the powerful J P McManus/Jonjo O'Neill/Tony McCoy combination.

J P McManus has nine others still in the chase, which is run over 30 fences and four and a half miles, and Ground Ball, Innox, First Gold and Risk Accessor in the top 40, with Spot Thedifference and Knife Edge also having some chance of running.

Robert Alner relies on Sir Rembrandt, a staying-on seventh in the totesport Cheltenham Gold Cup, and Nigel Twiston-Davies, successful with Bindaree in2002 and Earth Summit in 1998, is likely to be represented by Ollie Magern and Baron Windrush.

The Irish have a great recent record in the John Smith's Grand National, with Hedgehunter's romp last April providing their fourth victory in seven years, and they have a strong hand again, with 15 horses left in.

The confirmations also include Sue Smith's Ross Comm, an easy winner at Bangor last time, Ferdy Murphy's pair Joes Edge, last year's Scottish Grand National winner, and Haut De Gamme, and Nicky Richards' Direct Access, who fell at the first on his only previous attempt over the Grand National fences in the totesport Becher Chase in 2005.

Nicky Henderson's Juveigneur, owned like Hedgehunter by Trevor Hemmings, Tom George's Lord Of Illusion, and Forest Gunner, ridden into fifth last year by Carrie Ford and the mount this time of Nina Carberry, are other
fascinating contenders for this year's Aintree showpiece.

Source: Liverpool Culture Company (http://www.liverpool08.com/News/84RemainInJohnSmithsGrandNational.asp)

Howie

04-05-2006, 01:11 AM

April 05, 2006

Aintree sets standard in welfare of runners

The wrath of hell descends when horses die at Aintree, reckons Alan Lee, Racing Correspondent

FRONT of house, the wow factor at Aintree will be easy to identify this week — a new parade ring and winner’s enclosure, with terracing for 4,000 spectators, replaces the bewitching but primitive old weighing-room block, now preserved for posterity as a stylish bar.
But backstage, out of sight and mind for most of the 160,000 people flocking through the gates from tomorrow until Saturday, further changes are just as profound and beneficial for this most scrutinised of national events. Horses are being looked after better than ever.

The Grand National meeting has survived destitution and embarrassment, bomb threats and false starts, always emerging with the affection of the country. But its organisers know that the wrath of hell descends upon them when horses die at Aintree.

They may not perish on the National course itself — deaths can also occur on the Mildmay and hurdles tracks — but truth and logic are sacrificed when fatalities and Aintree are mentioned in the same breath. Animal rights campaigners seize their moment and suddenly the greatest of jumps races is portrayed as an arena for cruelty and barbarism.

This year, apprehension will be enhanced by the memory of nine horses dying at the Cheltenham Festival last month, including six on a third day when the law of averages played a bitter hand. Cheltenham had gone through its season — eight previous racedays — without a single fatality but this setback posed uncomfortable questions and demanded unpopular measures.

Aintree being the spectacle it is, horse welfare is under a fierce spotlight this week but those who mutter about horses being forced to jump purely for the gratification of others should know two things. No horse will jump a fence, let alone a National fence, unless it enjoys it. And horses injured at Liverpool are now treated by a slick and modern system.

For eight years, the racecourse has liaised closely with the veterinary team at Leahurst Equine Hospital, a part of Liverpool University based on the Wirral. Vets from Leahurst spend the week on site and injured horses were examined and then, if surgery was needed, transported the 15 miles to the hospital. Many have been repaired and restored to full fitness by this method.

Now, as part of the £30 million redevelopment that will be completed next year by two new stands, a state-of-the-art veterinary amenity has been built. Welcoming it yesterday, Chris Proudman, the professor of soft tissue surgery who heads the Leahurst team, was in no doubt it will facilitate faster and more efficacious treatment.

“What we had before was something of a compromise,” Professor Proudman said. “We were using stables as first-aid facilities. The new facility has been designed with veterinary input and has a padded floor, so that a distressed animal can’t hurt itself further by going down, and good lighting essential for stitching wounds.

“There is a TV and video recorder, because seeing how horses fell can offer us important clues to their injuries, and we have a digital X-ray unit and a computer point, enabling us to send the images directly to experts around the world.”

Proudman envisages that most injuries will now be treated on site, with only the worst cases being taken by horse ambulance back to Leahurst — a route followed, with conspicuous success, in recent years by National runners such as Youlneverwalkalone and Lord Atterbury.

Youlneverwalkalone, pulled up in the 2003 National, had ten screws inserted in a broken bone but recovered to enjoy a happy retirement. Last year, Lord Atterbury suffered “a nasty leg injury and was hospitalised at Leahurst for several weeks”. The repair job was so successful that he remains engaged in this year’s race.

“Assumptions were made by the public that horses badly injured would be destroyed,” Proudman said. “Those days are gone. People don’t realise the effort that goes into preparing for this meeting. Myself and John Burgess, another racecourse vet, have been at Aintree already, checking the new layout and the access areas for injured horses. We rehearse for every situation.

“We are always under scrutiny but I think people have been sensitised by events at Cheltenham this year, so the attention may be even greater. Aintree is a challenge but the new facilities will be an enormous help.”

Source: The Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,379-2119418,00.html)

Howie

04-05-2006, 10:00 AM

Grand National on course to back a £17.5m bonanza
Apr 5 2006
By Graham Davies Daily Post Staff

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THIS week's Grand National will bring more than £17.5m to Merseyside, figures revealed last night.

The region's 300-plus hotels, providing more than 13,000 beds, are full as Aintree prepares to welcome around 150,000 visitors to the three-day meeting starting on Thursday.

In Liverpool alone, more than 6,600 rooms have been booked for months, making the weekend one of the busiest in the year.

And with Irish interest in horse racing at an all-time high, more than 12,000 visitors are expected to fly in to Liverpool John Lennon Airport via routes from Ireland.

Bars, cafes and restaurants in the city centre, Southport and Wirral, are also preparing to host an influx of customers.

More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16905502%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=grand%2dnational%2don%2dcourse%2dto%2db ack%2da%2d%2dpound%2d17%2d5m%2dbonanza-name_page.html)...

Howie

04-05-2006, 05:31 PM

Hedging your bets for the big race
Apr 5 2006
Tony Barrett examines the weird and wonderful ways you can pick a winner.
Liverpool Echo

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AS every punter knows, the winner of the Aintree Grand National is harder to pick than a fight with the Dalai Lama.

The only thing anyone can be certain of when the horses line up before the world's greatest steeplechase is that a little over ten minutes later one of them will cross the finishing line first and within seconds you will have heard someone utter the immortal line, "I liked the look of that one and I was going to back it but..."

For racing experts and once-a-year each way backers alike the Grand National is the most unpredictable of occasions, a race in which anything can and usually does happen.

So how do you go about picking the winner? Here are a few ideas.

More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16906745%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=hedging%2dyour%2dbets%2dfor%2dthe%2dbig %2drace-name_page.html)...

FKoE

04-05-2006, 05:38 PM

I have a problem with the GN, in the sense that horse's have to be FORCED to jump hurdles not taught.

I get caught up in the moment out of tradition...

But today my conscience is getting the better of me, a dilemma eh?

Howie

04-05-2006, 05:41 PM

But today my conscience is getting the better of me

I think you'll have just made a friend with Vegan (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/member.php?u=155). ;)

FKoE

04-05-2006, 05:44 PM

Hey I'm a veggie too, but not strictly vegan , catholics and fishy fridays and all that lark :)

Howie

04-05-2006, 05:46 PM

See thread The not so"GRAND"NATIONAL (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1118). :slywink:

FKoE

04-05-2006, 05:55 PM

Cheers H'

Howie

04-05-2006, 06:08 PM

The Course

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THE FENCES

1 & 17 - Thron Fence: 4ft 7in high, 2ft 9in wide - claims many victims first time around who are simply travelling too fast.

2 & 18 - Almost the same height as the first but much wider at 3ft 6in.

3 & 19 - Westhead: A 6ft ditch on the approach to a 5ft high and 3in wide fence.

4 & 20 Plain fence, 4ft 10in high and 3ft wide.

5 & 21 - Spruce dressed, 5ft high and 3ft 6in wide.

6 & 22 - Becher's Brook - Although the fence looks inocuous from the take-off side, the steep drop on landing side together with a left-hand turn on landing combine to make this the most thrilling and famous fence in the world of steeple racing.

7 & 23 - Foinavon - Basically an 'ordianry' fence 4ft 6in high and 3ft wide.

8 & 24 - Canal Turn: Made of hawthorn stakes covered in Norway spruce.

9 & 25 - Valentine's Brook: The third of four famous fences to be jumped in succession, it is 5ft highh and 3ft 3in wide with a brook on the landing side about 5ft 6in wide.

10 & 26 - Thorn fence, 5ft high and 3ft wide.

11 & 27 - Booth - The main problem with fence, which is 5ft high and 3ft wide, is in the 6ft wide ditch on the take-off.

12 & 28 - Same size as the two previous fences, but with a ditch on the landing side which can catch runners out.

13 & 29 - Second-last on the final circuit, 4ft 7in high and 3ft wide.

14 & 30 - Almost the same height as the previous fence and rare for any horse to fall at the final fence in the 'National'.

15 - The Chair - At 5ft 2in (1.57m), both the tallest and the broadest fence on the course. With a 6ft (1.82m) wide ditch on the take-off side, The Chair requires a perfectly-timed leap from horse to rider.

16 - The Water Jump - The 2ft 9in Water Jump brings the first circuit to an end and the sight of the runners leaping at speed presents a terrific spectacle.

Source: icLiverpool (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0560grandnational/0075news/tm_objectid=12776150%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=the%2dcourse-name_page.html)

Howie

04-05-2006, 07:12 PM

Celebrity jockey silks at auction

Jockey silks designed by celebrities including Andrew Flintoff and Gordon Ramsay will be auctioned online to raise money for a children's hospital.

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The money will be donated to Alder Hey Children's Hospital (http://www.alderhey.com/RLCH/home.asp) in Liverpool - the Grand National's official charity - as preparations for the race begin.

More (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4877596.stm)...

:)

Kev

04-06-2006, 10:18 AM

According to Steven Parry:

Liverpool's Commonwealth Games athletes will be guests of honour at the city's sports awards ceremony on Thursday.

The 13 athletes, who came through the city's Sports Development Programme, between them won seven medals in Melbourne last month.

The awards, which celebrate the city's sporting talent, are being presented by former Commonwealth and Olympic swimming medallist, Stephen Parry.

Previous winners include Parry, Wayne Rooney and gymnast Beth Tweddle.

'Shop window'

The Sporting Honours Awards began in 1994 as a way of recognising the achievements of the young sportsmen and women who represent Liverpool.

More than 80 individual and team awards will be presented on Thursday night.

Stephen Parry said: "Liverpool is the most successful sporting city in the UK, and it's essential that we celebrate the fantastic achievements of our young sportsmen and women. "The Annual Sports Awards provide a shop window for excellence, and really emphasise how well the city is performing both nationally and internationally."

Howie

04-06-2006, 01:44 PM

Racing world's eyes focused on Aintree
Apr 6 2006
GRAHAM DAVIES visits the most famous race meeting on the planet
By Graham Davies, Daily Post

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MONTHS of planning finally came to fruition today as Aintree's three-day Grand National festival gets under way in front of what are expected to be record crowds.

More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16910471%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=racing%2dworld%2ds%2deyes%2dfocused%2do n%2daintree-name_page.html)...

Howie

04-06-2006, 01:48 PM

Race security takes to the skies

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The camera will be fitted to a
Merseyside Police helicopter

Race-goers at the Grand National will be protected from criminals by new technology which can identify someone from the sky.

The Spotterscope, a high zoom camera, is fitted to a Merseyside police helicopter and will be at the races in Aintree for the first time.

The system is so accurate it can identify a person's face while hovering more than 800ft above them.

More (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4880370.stm)...

Howie

04-06-2006, 02:34 PM

The race is on for a record
Apr 6 2006
By Luke Traynor, Liverpool Echo

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RECORD-BREAKING crowds are expected at Aintree as Grand National fever grips Liverpool.

Figures show that 150,000 tickets have already been sold to racegoers for the three days racing extravaganza.

More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16911762%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=the%2drace%2dis%2don%2dfor%2da%2drecord-name_page.html)...

Howie

04-07-2006, 10:48 AM

Francis the fallen hero starts Aintree festival
Apr 7 2006
Daily Post

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The Queen Mother's jockey opens the new weighing room. Graham Davies reports

FIFTY years after being involved in the most famous Grand National defeat, former jockey D!ck Francis was back at Aintree yesterday - and revealed it was the spur to changing his life.

On the first day of Aintree's three-day meeting, racegoers cheered as Mr Francis proudly opened the racecourse's new weighing room, part of a £30m redevelopment.

Mr Francis lost out on winning the world's longest steeplechase in 1956, when his horse Devon Loch mysteriously collapsed just 50 yards from the finish line.

Speaking at a champagne reception, the 85-year-old said the incident on the gelding, owned by the Queen Mother, was what kick-started his writing career.

More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16915491%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=francis%2dthe%2dfallen%2dhero%2dstarts% 2daintree%2dfestival-name_page.html)...

Gnomie

04-07-2006, 12:14 PM

I went Yesterday:)

Great improvementsto the racecourse. it was heaving but the viewing has improved loads.

Kev

04-07-2006, 04:22 PM

ladys day is tacky

Howie

04-07-2006, 04:25 PM

Ladies step out in style
Apr 7 2006
By Luke Traynor, Liverpool Echo

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BLUE was the colour of the season as Ladies Day dawned.

Crowds of scantily clad women flocked to the racecourse as the second day of the Grand National got under way.

It seemed any exposed areas of skin not covered by fake tan were turning various shades of blue in the biting wintry wind.

Other trends on show included short skirts and extravagant hats.

More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16917690%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=ladies%2dstep%2dout%2din%2dstyle-name_page.html)...

Kev

04-07-2006, 04:56 PM

A large part of the nation wants to be famous, according to new survey.
Three quarters (73.6%) believe that everyone can have celebrity status for at least 15 minutes. A massive 43.8% express a strong desire to be famous - and for half a million people it's their big goal in life. more (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13517839,00.html)

:p

She be very nice howie ;)

Howie

04-07-2006, 05:59 PM

A safe bet
Apr 7 2006
By Luke Traynor, Liverpool Echo

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THE Grand National Festival will be the safest yet, police promised today.

As thousands of racegoers continue to pour into Aintree they are being assured that security is in place to cope with every eventuality.

Following last July's terrorist bombings in London, and subsequent increased threat across the UK, a comprehensive policing plan has been painstakingly developed by senior officers.

More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16916978%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=a%2dsafe%2dbet-name_page.html)...

:noid:

Howie

04-08-2006, 01:50 AM

As thousands of racegoers continue to pour into Aintree they are being assured that security is in place to cope with every eventuality.

Except keeping Sun reporters out of Hedgehunter's stable, (see Grand National: Hedgehunter the target as reporter breaches security (http://sport.independent.co.uk/general/article356490.ece)).

:rolleyes:

Howie

04-08-2006, 09:22 AM

Thousands flock to Grand National

Thousands of race-goers are expected in Liverpool for the final day of the Grand National festival.

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More than 50,000 people enjoyed
Ladies' Day at Aintree

Travellers are being urged to leave their cars at home and use public transport to get to Aintree.

Extra trains are being run between Liverpool and Aintree and several park and ride schemes are in operation to cut congestion.

Friday's Ladies' Day at the ground attracted more than 50,000 race-goers, organisers said.

Neil Scales, chief executive and director general of Merseytravel, said: "Aintree must be one of the easiest racecourses in the country to get to by public transport.

"We've got extra trains running and many stations have free park and ride facilities.

"There are also regular bus services operating, so we hope people see public transport as a really good option for travelling to the event, which is one of the highlights of the international racing calendar."

The 159th Grand National started on Thursday and culminates with the famous steeplechase on Saturday afternoon.

Source: BBC NEWS | Merseyside (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4889700.stm)

Kev

04-08-2006, 09:37 AM

Its exciting - make sure you check the webcams tonite (http://www.scouseology.com/?page_id=5) down mathews street!

victorialush

04-08-2006, 11:03 AM

I have put my bets on....

Silver Birch @ 33/1
First Gold @ 100/1
Ballycassidy @ 100/1
Shotgun Willy @ 150/1
Just in Debt @ 100/1

Kev

04-08-2006, 05:38 PM

http://www.yoliverpool.com/photoplog/images/1/large/1_national_2006.jpg

http://www.yoliverpool.com/photoplog/images/1/large/1_winner_national_2006.jpg

Howie

04-08-2006, 11:22 PM

Numbersixvalverde wins National
Apr 8 2006
By Dan Kay at Aintree, icNorthWest

IRISH eyes were smiling again at Aintree as 11-1 shot Numbersixvalverde edged out favourites Hedgehunter and Clan Royal to win the 2006 John Smith's Grand National.

Numbersixvalverde, last year's Irish Grand National winner, gave jockey Niall "Slippers" Madden a dream first ride over the Aintree fences and delighted successful owner Bernard Carroll, who named the horse after his Algarve holiday home and missed last year's triumph at Fairyhouse due to pre-booked holiday in Portugal.

Madden, who jumped the last fence behind Hedgehunter but stormed home by to win by six lengths said, "It's brilliant. I had a dream run the whole way round and he jumped super.

"I wasn't sure I'd won until I crossed the line though. This means everything to me. It's magic.

"I've tried to imagine winning this race since I was a boy but I couldn't.

More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0560grandnational/0075news/tm_objectid=16921263%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=numbersixvalverde%2dwins%2dnational-name_page.html)...

Vegan

04-09-2006, 12:13 AM

I respectfully request that you look at the info I have posted on the rants thread.

Thank you:sad:

bobbymac

04-09-2006, 04:53 AM

Vegan, if the carnage upsets you so much why do you look? This is a question and not an invite to a flame war.

Kev

04-09-2006, 08:47 AM

In relation to The Grand National, I believe Vegan feels passionately about animal cruelty and maybe we all need to come around to this way of thinking in relation to the grand national.

I can see the grand national reducing the size of the jumps in the next 2 years, I cannot see how it can continue when horses are being 'destroyed' - a word used by a BBC reporter yesterday.

I have been similar over issues with our fine city and its people and joined many forums, including the pete price one only to cool off after a while. I chilled out a bit, you get nowhere upsetting the apple cart and everyone is different and lives their lives in different ways. I hate with a passion, teen/ adult thuggery but thats another thread (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144).

Anyway, I will let Vegan reply, then this thread will be locked 'till next year ;). Any future discussion about cruelty can be continued here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7415#post7415) :p (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7415#post7415)

victorialush

04-09-2006, 10:15 AM

Further to this discussion Kev, we are all different.... I have been brought up on a diet of Grand Nationals, dog racing etc.... the Grand National is our heritage and will always continue.

And for Vegan, there are many, many other issues worth the extra effort... I bet there are far more instances of cruelty to children than there are animals!

Kev

04-09-2006, 10:19 AM

I know ;) Thats what makes an exciting and diverse forum plod along.

Gnomie

04-09-2006, 10:42 AM

I think Vegan has every right to reply, but as we respect others wishes and beliefs then please respect ours. it is good to believe in something but you have to accept that others may not feel the same way.

victorialush

04-09-2006, 10:45 AM

Brenda

04-09-2006, 12:12 PM

And for Vegan, there are many, many other issues worth the extra effort... I bet there are far more instances of cruelty to children than there are animals!

And I second that whole heartedly!.

bobbymac

04-09-2006, 09:15 PM

Yes, I have to agree that Vegan has every right to her opinion, I just wish she wasn't so hard-headed about it, she leaves no room for compromise, and when a person gets to that point, I think it becomes form of stasis, and the learning curve suffers because of it.
I believe most reasonable folk hate animal cruelty, and in a small way, do what they can to stop it. For myself, I get my dogs at the S.P.C.A. and the pleasure of giving and older dog a new lease on life is beneficial to both of us. I have also been instrumental in shutting down 5 puppy mills in the region, which gives me great satisfaction, I don't scream it from the roof tops, I just go out and do it.

Brenda

04-10-2006, 02:01 PM

I have also been instrumental in shutting down 5 puppy mills in the region, which gives me great satisfaction, I don't scream it from the roof tops, I just go out and do it.

I applaud you for doing your bit to help stop animal cruelty Bobby, and its so refreshing to hear about it without getting it rammed down your throat.

Vegan

04-10-2006, 08:45 PM

Kev posted,"In relation to The Grand National, I believe Vegan feels passionately about animal cruelty and maybe we all need to come around to this way of thinking in relation to the grand national".

Here,here Kev!I applaud your integrity.

I fail to see the relavance of conjecturing about the number of human children versus the number of non-human children(puppies,kittens etc)who are abused.

The abuse of ANY living being,human animal or non-human animal is of equal concern to me because I am not speciesist.

Looking forward to next year's debate.Have a good year folks!:)

P.S http://www.greyhoundaction.co.uk/ ;)

Gnomie

04-10-2006, 08:57 PM

Long Live The National:unibrow:

Kev

04-10-2006, 09:04 PM

This section of the site is a celebration of heritage and culture. Here's to next year, hopefully without the fatalities, poor horsies.

bazzacat

06-27-2006, 12:03 PM

He was a city engineer apparently, and they were first introduced at Anfield

Kev

06-27-2006, 01:09 PM

He was a city engineer apparently, and they were first introduced at Anfield

That reminds me, the only remaining reminder of South Liverpool FC:

http://static.flickr.com/65/164939703_c167dc10d7.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/ijob/164939703/in/set-72057594107782338/)

Max

06-27-2006, 01:58 PM

Where was their ground?

A.D.Williams

06-27-2006, 02:04 PM

Where was their ground?

The new station is built on the ground of Holly Park, Max.

Max

06-27-2006, 02:30 PM

Where around is that Dave?

Paul D

06-27-2006, 04:57 PM

I know it's stating the obvious but Everton being one of the founder members of THE football league is just fantastic IMO,also Everton were the first team in World football to have played 100 years in top flight football which is some achievement.:PDT_Piratz_26:

Fergie

07-17-2006, 02:57 AM

Fergie

07-17-2006, 02:59 AM

:gossip: :shock:
On Football everyone mentions the Pro Clubs and the premier league and champions league,but what about the bigest under 21 league in the world this
was the Bootle Joc League on Merseyside the main grounds was on the Giro
site what a great league.It would be good to have a thread on Leagues and
Football clubs of merseyside of old.
Fergie:gossip:

johnlemmon

07-18-2006, 04:54 AM

To Paul D...

hello mate... do you think that Everton are going to have a good season, or another disaster...

Lemmo...???

Waterways

07-18-2006, 01:56 PM

He was a city engineer apparently, and they were first introduced at Anfield

The were pioneered at I think, Dingle Lane, where South Liverpool once played. I believe South Liverpool once played at Horsfall St off Grafton St, on a derelict Mersey Foundry site (what I Dad told me, who was generally right when checked things, I haven't managed to verify Horsfall St).

The nets were first used in a proper game v Notts F. Geary of Everton was the first to hit the back of the net.

Everton played at Anfield at the time.

It was Brodie's idea to use the rock from the 1st Mersey Road Tunnel to create the prom.

South Liverpool were the first to permanently use floodlights.

Waterways

07-18-2006, 02:11 PM

On Football everyone mentions the Pro Clubs and the premier league and champions league,but what about the bigest under 21 league in the world this
was the Bootle Joc League on Merseyside the main grounds was on the Giro
site what a great league.It would be good to have a thread on Leagues and
Football clubs of merseyside of old.
Fergie:gossip:

Before Everton had an internal split which created Liverpool FC. The derby game was Everton vs Bootle. All the top teams had visted Merton Rd to play Bootle. Once LFC came about Bootle declined. Bootle were in the first 2nd division in 1892/3 and dropped out after one year being replaced by Liverpool FC. They once reached an FA cup quarter final.

Liverpool, Sheff Utd and Chelsea are the only clubs that were created with ready made ground facilities. Having Anfield certainly helped LFC.

Liverpool RUFC is the oldest open rugby club in the world.

FKoE

07-18-2006, 03:15 PM

Was'nt the Liverpool v Everton Derby the first ever televised match in Britain ?

Waterways

07-18-2006, 03:29 PM

Was'nt the Liverpool v Everton Derby the first ever televised match in Britain ?

No. 1935. Arsenal v Everton

Louis

07-18-2006, 04:07 PM

Was'nt the Liverpool v Everton Derby the first ever televised match in Britain ?

that was the first match of the day one wasnt it?

or the first game televised in colour, its one of them

FKoE

07-18-2006, 04:10 PM

No. 1935. Arsenal v Everton

But the BBC was only broadcast in 1935 to the greater London area, so thats a myth, innit?

FKoE

07-18-2006, 04:11 PM

that was the first match of the day one wasnt it?

or the first game televised in colour, its one of them

Lets say it was the first match televised TO Britain ;)

matchworks

07-18-2006, 04:14 PM

That reminds me, the only remaining reminder of South Liverpool FC:

http://static.flickr.com/65/164939703_c167dc10d7.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/ijob/164939703/in/set-72057594107782338/)this was covered by boards this morning,ah south liverpool!it's a knockout was there in the 70's and also 10p a pint on a monday night and the famous cage from the ceiling in the late 80's,happy days:celb (6):

FKoE

07-18-2006, 04:18 PM

And Liverpool and Everton, were'nt they also the first teams to come out of the tunnel TOGETHER ?

Waterways

07-18-2006, 04:52 PM

And Liverpool and Everton, were'nt they also the first teams to come out of the tunnel TOGETHER ?

Yep.

Waterways

07-18-2006, 04:53 PM

But the BBC was only broadcast in 1935 to the greater London area, so thats a myth, innit?

Irrespective of area covered, it was the first live televised football game.

FKoE

07-18-2006, 04:54 PM

Irrespective of area covered, it was the first live televised football game.

But only in London ...........

Kev

07-18-2006, 04:59 PM

1946 Liverpool FC's Jack Chalmer becomes the first player to score three consecutive hat-tricks.

Waterways

07-18-2006, 05:23 PM

Lets say it was the first match televised TO Britain ;)

1935: First match broadcast live on TV was Asenal v Everton. Football clips had been on TV before this but they were taken from film and not live.

1964: Liverpool were in the first Match of the Day highlights programme. Arssenl v Liverpool on BBC2, only to the London area. Highlights of FA cup games had previously been broadcast in previous years, so the Arsenal v Liverpool game broke no records.

1967: Charity Shield match between Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur was the fisrt colour game to be shown (highlights).

1968: The first colour game broadcast entirely live was the Everton v West Brom FA Cup Final.

Everton figure in the first two entirely live games: in black and white and in colour.

That has cleared that one up.

FKoE

07-18-2006, 05:25 PM

Oooh google .... so your first televised game was actually the first in ENGLAND .... are you following ? , probably not!

Waterways

07-18-2006, 05:43 PM

Oooh google .... so your first televised game was actually the first in ENGLAND .... are you following ? , probably not!

Will you decipher please.

FKoE

07-18-2006, 05:46 PM

Heres an anaology for you....the first Mosque in Britain was founded in Cardiff......The first Mosque in England was founded in Liverpool...........are you following the ball ?

Waterways

07-18-2006, 05:50 PM

Heres an anaology for you....the first Mosque in Britain was founded in Cardiff......The first Mosque in England was founded in Liverpool...........are you following the ball ?

Say what you mean. Or this quiz time?

FKoE

07-18-2006, 05:58 PM

You have'nt the slightest understanding of the definitions, yet you preach like you know facts .... You ain't even Scouse by your definition.

What are are you expecting ,? respect ?

I want fact not myth. Watership.

FKoE

07-18-2006, 05:59 PM

The first Mosque in Britain, was built in Britain not ENGLAND, and it was not in London either

FKoE

07-18-2006, 06:15 PM

More disjointed babble. The point was footy and TV.

And BRITAIN

Paul D

07-18-2006, 07:03 PM

To Paul D...

hello mate... do you think that Everton are going to have a good season, or another disaster...

Lemmo...???

I personally see them being average for years to come I'm sad to say.:disgust: but that Wyness fella at least has them moving in the right direction now,their finances are in order and they'll have new training ground soon and the new ground is very much back on the agenda so it's not all doom and gloom.:snf (41):

Waterways

07-20-2006, 02:00 AM

First Match of the day was Liverpool V Arsenal at Anfield
Who scored the first Goal
Fergie:037: :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

No. Arsenal v Liverpool at Highbury, 1964.

Fergie

07-22-2006, 02:37 AM

Re Arsenal v Liverpool 1964 a record was recorded by Roger Hunt as he was
the first player to score a goal on match of the day high lights according to
archives of the BBC and it was broadcast-ed in the North West area this was
a 1st division league game and i believe it was one of the first games of the season in late August 1964 this was also was the season of 1964/65 when Liverpool beat Arsenal 5-0 to win the 1st division championship at Anfield
Fergie:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

gillian

07-22-2006, 06:24 AM

Being an Everton fan,my prediction for the new season is.
By Jan/Feb Moyles will be sacked,his replacement will be Martin O'Neal
We will triumph in Europe
Its our season.
Also i bet you all know the answer but which ground did Everton first play football when they joined the league?.

Waterways

07-22-2006, 01:57 PM

Re Arsenal v Liverpool 1964 a record was recorded by Roger Hunt as he was the first player to score a goal on match of the day high lights according to archives of the BBC and it was broadcast-ed in the North West area

It was BBC2 and in the south east only. Match of the Day was just a footie programme. Nothing history making was made when they broadcast the first game.

this was a 1st division league game and i believe it was one of the first games of the season in late August 1964 this was also was the season of 1964/65 when Liverpool beat Arsenal 5-0 to win the 1st division championship at Anfield
Fergie:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

That is odd as Man U won the league in 64/65.

1963 - Everton
1964 - Liverpool
1965 - Man U

Thi

Max

08-24-2006, 12:48 AM

Before it was knocked down in the 1980's, it hosted many events mostly sport like Boxing.

On Old Hall Street.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Stadium

http://www.lmu.livjm.ac.uk/inmylife/template.aspx?itemid=1397

Howie

08-24-2006, 01:38 AM

See also LIVERPOOL STADIUM... THE ROCK YEARS (http://www.liverpoolstadium-rockyears.com/).

SteH

09-02-2006, 02:39 AM

Waterways

09-02-2006, 12:27 PM

The stadium was a dump and neglected from it being built. In the 1970s John Conte was fighting a world title fight and as the stadium was so bad, the fight was to be staged elsewhere. To fury from the Liverpool public the stadium was refurbished. John Moores paid - they did it within a week working 24/7. As the carpets were being laid plasterers would walk all over it ruining the carpet. New seats were installed as well.

lindylou

09-03-2006, 10:52 AM

There was a tragic murder outside there in August 1961 when local man, John McMenemy, stabbed his girlfriend Valerie Sellers to death after a quarrel over some money. McMenemy was sentenced to death but it was commuted to life imprisonment on appeal.

There was a rape there too :shock:

The group 'Thin Lizzie' were on at the time. I can't quite recall the details, but it was front page of the Echo, and a scandal that this could happen at a concert. It must have been 1970s I think.

gilly10

02-26-2007, 12:18 PM

I boxed at the stadium as an amateur in the late 70`s and early eighties. Yes, there was a rape case, and according to some people, Phil Lynott, the lead singer with Thin Lizzy, dedicated their song "The Boys Are Back In Town" to the lads who were jailed for 5 years each when they were being released. Can anyone confirm this??

PhilipG

02-26-2007, 01:54 PM

February 1987.

The Stadium was Britain's only purpose-built boxing arena.
Built on the site of St Paul's Church, it was designed by Kenmure Kinna, and was opened in 1932.
The last professional bout was in 1985, and it was demolished in 1987.

Apart from boxing it was used for pop concerts, mass meetings, circuses, and bingo.
The Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra also played there.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/403350859_b7abd11dc1_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/403350861_6a6991405c_o.jpg

Ged

02-26-2007, 02:24 PM

Great pics Philip.

Gerard

02-26-2007, 05:11 PM

There was a rape there too :shock:

The group 'Thin Lizzie' were on at the time. I can't quite recall the details, but it was front page of the Echo, and a scandal that this could happen at a concert. It must have been 1970s I think.

I saw Thin Lizzy when they were Supporting Slade,Suzy Quatro was also on the Show,(November 72 ??)
Slade Played the Stadium on an Eariler Date with Status Quo.

Thin Lizzy played the Stadium in March 76..The Jailbreak Album was released that Year and "The Boys are Back in Town" was released as a Single in June 76..

Gerard

02-26-2007, 05:21 PM

Kev

02-26-2007, 05:40 PM

Superb pics :)

PhilipG

02-26-2007, 06:05 PM

Thanks, folks.

Steer

03-09-2007, 04:31 PM

Hi,

Does anyone know where Stanley Stadium used to be? I understand it was off Prescot road somewhere, and used to run greyhound and speedway meetings. I can't really find any substantial infomation on the internet, but I assume it is long gone.

I'm quite curious about the Liverpool speedway team (the Chads), which ran in the early 50's (?), but information seems a little thin on the ground. I don't know how well supported they were, but I gather they may not of been too successful, despite Peter Craven's prescence.

I like this site by the way - there is some great photos and information here.

shytalk

03-09-2007, 05:04 PM

Hi Steer,
The speedway was next to where the Police sports ground is( If it's still there).
It was not really well supported but had some regular fans. :037:

shytalk

03-09-2007, 05:09 PM

http://www.dukevideo.com/Bikes/Books/Speedway/Peter%20Craven%20the%20Wizard%20of%20Balance%20Boo k.aspx

Steer

03-09-2007, 05:35 PM

Oh yes - I know it. I went to a function there once.

I guess the speedway team folded due to lack of support then?

shytalk

03-09-2007, 05:44 PM

I only ever went there once, but later I was a regular at Belle Vue, I saw Peter Craven win the world championship at Wembley in 1962. After his death I lost interest and didn't watch much speedway after that.:037:

bobbymac

03-09-2007, 06:05 PM

Yes it was across from the Ab. Used to go a lot at one time with me dad. Shame it folded.

MarkA

03-11-2007, 10:35 PM

The stadium was situated on the present fruit market site. It was a greyhound track, speedway, athletics and rugby stadium. The Piano Bar on Derby Lane in Old Swan used to be called The Rugby Club and was the social for the Liverpool City rugby league side.

XL391

03-15-2007, 12:42 PM

Hello people!!

I am trying to find info/pictures on my Dad's old betting shop in London Road. It was called Top Racing, it was painted black & Green and it apparently stood on or near the site of where the LIDL is now. Can anyone help??? :PDT_Xtremez_28:

Will

PhilipG

03-15-2007, 12:53 PM

This is the site of the Lidl, in 1982.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/236169322/in/set-72157594265619936/

XL391

03-15-2007, 12:58 PM

hmmmm... I'll have to quiz him again. I have pictures somewhere of me at about 3 years of age in London Road with a marching Band parading down the street behind me. I'll have to dig them out as is was right in front of his shop which might give me a better bearing on where it was exactly. Thanks for the pic Phil! :handclap:

Ged

03-15-2007, 01:08 PM

Good pic of the old Tatler Philip, hadn't seen that one before. I remember going to that Sayers on the corner many a time and you could see the new cathedral just up the road.

PhilipG

03-15-2007, 02:47 PM

Good pic of the old Tatler Philip, hadn't seen that one before. I remember going to that Sayers on the corner many a time and you could see the new cathedral just up the road.

It's on my flickr page, Ged, in the "Demolished Cinemas" set.

steveb

03-15-2007, 04:30 PM

I remember Sayers well, on the corner of Anson St, used to do the butty run
daily as I worked just up London Rd, towards the Majestic. This pic is Pye
Telecom were I worked. The road is Norman St. The building
to the right is Derwent House, you can also see in the background the Majestic and the top of the Royal Liverpool Hospital, think the pic is around January 1968.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o102/steveb_04/pye.jpg

phredd

03-16-2007, 10:10 AM

The Greyhound track was White City Stadium and was located on Lower Breck Road. The Ambulance Station is now on that site.

There was also an entrance to the Stadium at mthe bottom of Sunlight Street (my way in) off Belmont Road.

Its all gone to the dogs now:)

Phredd

XL391

03-16-2007, 11:33 PM

Right, ladies and Gents, my Dad's bookies was opposite the Eros and four doors away from the camera in Phil's post. Can anyone help??? :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Gerard

03-17-2007, 12:12 AM

Right, ladies and Gents, my Dad's bookies was opposite the Eros and four doors away from the camera in Phil's post. Can anyone help??? :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

XL...The only bookies I can remember in this area was on the Right next to the Red shop which used to be London's Shoe Shop.
I think it was Stanley Racing though...Or the Tote.....Could this have taken over your Dad's shop !!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/DSC01165.jpg

XL391

03-17-2007, 01:28 AM

I'll have to dig out the pics. There are so many!!! I'll try and go through them all in the next few weeks!!

Gerard

03-17-2007, 01:31 AM

Good luck mate,Hope you find what your looking for.

PhilipG

03-17-2007, 01:38 AM

Right, ladies and Gents, my Dad's bookies was opposite the Eros and four doors away from the camera in Phil's post. Can anyone help??? :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

On the town side of the Co-op?
No old pics of that side, I'm afraid, but I think I've got one of the shops on the other side of the Co-op.

Ged

03-17-2007, 10:47 PM

You can't see it here but i'll post it up anyway. The top of London road and Moss Street taken from the hospital in 1979.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1898/londonrdmossstair79gr9.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=londonrdmossstair79gr9.jpg)

billo

03-28-2007, 11:22 AM

There is a betting shop on the corner of Falkland Street, it has been there for years and at one time was a small casino. It is a small square building with 3 floors. At the momnet there is some re development going on there and they have demolished the Falklands Pub (it had been closed for a good 5 years or more). I do seem to remember one of the big bookies taking it over.

iain

04-21-2007, 12:17 AM

I've just read a book called "This Island Race", about the history of British bike racing, and how and why it never really took off like it did on the continent despite a promising start. There were a few surprises from the start, like the fact the first ever bike race, held in Paris, was won by an Englishman. But a few chapters in, a couple of local place names leapt out at me.

It was Britain's turn to hold the World Championships in 1922, and the National Cycling Union (NCU) of the time passed the job of organising it to the Anfield Bicycle Club (http://www.anfieldbc.co.uk/) (formed in 1879, still going today), who only a year before had stuck two fingers up at the NCU. The NCU strictly prohibited racing on open roads, but many "rebel" clubs formed around the country, including the Anfield, to do otherwise. Funnily enough the NCU relaxed its rules when offered the World Championships.

The Anfield chose to host the Championships at the New Brighton track. By British standards it was excellent. But by then, by the standards of the rest of the world, it was awful. The cement and gravel surface with virtually non-existent banking was as good as it got when it was built in 1898, but by 1922 the continental pro's had come to expect better.

They could have tolerated this though, if it wasn't for the fact it became treacherous in the rain, which it did. Quoting from the Wallasey & Wirral Chronicle at the time, the sprinter Piet Moeskops attempted a ride after a rain shower but fell on the greasy surface and he limped away shaking his head. He never returned to New Brighton. A new stand had been built for 40,000 spectators but there were never more than 8,000 there.

Does anyone know what happened to this track which once saw international fame? I never knew there was one, never mind it holding the World Championships!

I lifted most of this from: This Island Race (http://www.amazon.co.uk/This-Island-Race-British-Bike-Racing/dp/1874739366/ref=sr_1_1/026-3927590-7159607?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177107200&sr=8-1) by Les Woodland, published 2005 by Mousehold Press, ISBN 1-874739-36-6

goldenface

04-24-2007, 04:54 PM

Never heard of it myself either. Was it not in one of the 'dips' on the seafront?

iain

04-24-2007, 08:26 PM

I don't know a great deal more than what I copied above from the book. Apparently there used to be an athletics ground and a race track near to, or around, the tower.

wsteve55

05-29-2007, 01:12 AM

anyone have any info' on jack sharps, formerly of whitechapel,such as when it closed,etc, and even anything about the presumed owner,jack sharps?
thanks all.

SteH

05-29-2007, 01:18 AM

anyone have any info' on jack sharps, formerly of whitechapel,such as when it closed,etc, and even anything about the presumed owner,jack sharps?
thanks all.

Jack Sharp (http://www.evertonfc.com/history/jack-sharp.html)was a player for Everton at the beginning of the 20th century and my grandad told me he founded the shop after his retirement.

Kev

05-29-2007, 08:51 AM

I remember Jack Sharps' very well. It was the only place to go for sports gear. Quite expensive too.

ayjaykay

05-29-2007, 01:30 PM

The shop was taken over by JJB in the 1980s. They kept the Jack Sharp name for a while but then it just became a normal JJB branch. It closed in the early 2000s and has been demolished now.

PhilipG

05-29-2007, 01:41 PM

From the 1936 Kelly's Directory:

Sharp, Jack, athletic outfitter, 36 and 38 Whitechapel 1.
Residence: 243 Queen's Drive 15.

ChrisGeorge

05-29-2007, 02:26 PM

Hi all

Jack Sharp's Sports Shop gets a mention in David Ashton's memoirs of growing up in the Fifties in Woolton (http://www.thetimecapsule.org.uk/TimeCapsule/098231E9AF3B41608C7E503A38AD6CC1_E44E3E98050E4D83A B107A05935BB26B.htm) with a young John Lennon:

". . . Anyway, this day Alan Walpole and I were playing football in the cow field with my new child-size leather football with a blown up pig's bladder inside, french chalked to preserve it, which my dad had bought from Jack Sharp's Sports Shop in Liverpool for, I think, five shillings and sixpence. I had got the football for my birthday in November. We had a various assortment of football kits on - most of them probably pre-First World War stuff as in the Woolton of our childhood no-one had much money. We were not poor, or did not think we were anyway, but we certainly never dreamt of having a Liverpool or Everton football kit. We wore hand-me-down kits, if we had any, from fathers, uncles, brothers or cousins.

"There were a lot of us playing including John Lennon and we used our coats and jumpers as goal posts. . . ."

Kev

06-01-2007, 09:10 AM

A NEW book that takes a look at Liverpool’s sporting history through the eyes of the communities that shaped it was launched yesterday.

Played in Liverpool owes as much to the city’s turn-of-the-century baseball players, long- established bowling greens, and an exclusive club of twelve quoits players, as it does to Dixie Dean or the Kop.

The book is the latest release in a series from English Heritage looking at sport around Britain, and the first of a number of books about Liverpool it plans to publish this year with the Capital of Culture Company.

Author Ray Physick uncovered artefacts that were thought lost, including the foundation stone of Liverpool Stadium, missing since its demolition in 1987, and the once-celebrated Liverpool Gymnasium Shield, which as a result will be placed in the new Museum of Liverpool.

Mr Physick, 55, a lecturer at John Moores University, had been researching Played in Liverpool for two years.He said: “As a passionate Scouser and Liverpool fan all my life, it’s been a privilege to write this book.

“What has amazed me is the diversity of sport in the city, from baseball back in the 19th century to the opening of the first municipal baths in 1828, it has an enormous heritage – not just football, and in many ways Liverpool is a microcosm of the greatness of British sport.”

Celebrating yesterday’s launch at Liverpool Cricket Club, which features in the book and itself is marking its bicentenary this year, series editor Simon Inglis said: “The Played In series all started in Manchester for the Commonwealth Games, with English Heritage looking at ways to celebrate sporting heritage.

“It was a pilot project, designed to see if sports heritage was significantly valued.

“It was a subject that had been ignored for years. It makes up such a vast amount of this country’s heritage that it needed professional documentation.”

Henry Owen-John, North West director of planning and development director for English Heritage said: “The community engagement factor was very important, with people bringing amazing amounts of knowledge on football, cricket, tennis – it really attracted public interest.

“Liverpool was really self-selected as the next in the series, in terms of the sheer recognition and diversity of its sport.

“The book is specifically English Heritage’s contribution to the city’s 800th birthday celebrations.

“There is so much going on and so much to record, and we have been really delighted with the quality of research Ray has undertaken.”

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