The Mersey Bar

lightship's owner claims he is being hounded out of Liverpool's Albert Dock and might take this iconic piece of maritime heritage to Manchester. Peter

Elson reports

THE Planet lightship, anchored at the Mersey Bar, was the first and last sight of home for millions of seafarers and passengers for

many years.

This little red lightship, along with her predecessors, symbolises this world famous port's history. Without doubt, Planet is the most

iconic Mersey vessel still afloat.

The story that follows, of Planet's astonishing survival, triumphant return to Liverpool, restoration and now

rejection, will cause anybody who cares about the city, its history and its soul, to put their head in their hands and weep.

In spite of Planet being

one of the Mersey's most important maritime survivors, the lightship's presence in Albert Dock, moored by Blue Bar, is deemed "inappropriate in

scale".

Planet's owner, Manchester-based entrepreneur Gary McClarnan, has been told to "consider his options", a move described as "despicable" by

Mersey Lightvessel Preservation Society.

In spite of Liverpool's seemingly vast dock estate, in fact suitable berths for a ship like Planet are

limited.

The only feasible Liverpool option McClarnan has is the adjacent Canning Half-tide Dock, but its depth varies and the lightship's 12ft

draught means it could be damaged by the dock bottom. There are also security problems with this exposed berth.

So it's no option at all, really,

which leaves him with the more tempting alternative to leave Liverpool entirely for Manchester, where authorities at both Salford and Trafford are ready to

welcome Planet.

He says: "I feel I'm being harassed and hounded out like some gypsy who has nowhere to go. I've had Planet's water supply cut off

for three days and access to the ship was barricaded at one point.

"I've been told that some of the tenants worry Planet may become a bar, which is

not the aim and would require planning and licensing permission.

"Others apparently don't like the colour and think the ship might break her

moorings. Finally I'm told I did not give enough notice of arrival, but in fact everyone knew two months ago and started negotiations with British Waterways

a year ago.

"I've not asked for any money from anyone, but I'd like a bit of a welcome for coming here. The Tate Gallery love the ship and Tony

Tibbles, keeper of Merseyside Maritime Museum, told me how much he appreciates Planet being here.

"I've seen other Albert Dock retail tenants to

introduce myself and ask if they had any concerns about the ship. Everyone I spoke to loves the ship and are happy we are there."

If this is an

accurate reflection, then surely this is the real issue that the Albert Dock authorities should be addressing rather than harassing an individual whose

presence isn't, in fact, resented, but appreciated?

Merseyside almost lost Planet two years ago when her previous owners wanted to sell her. The

vessel was rumoured to be going to either Holland or Scandinavia, until McClarnan, 44, a Salfordbased music and property entrepreneur, stepped in.

He

bought Planet for "under £100,000" and has since spent a further £100,000 of his own money on continuing restoration.

Persuaded by the Mersey

Lightvessel Preservation Society not to relocate Planet to his property at Salford Quays, he is instead converting the ship's interior into studio space for

12 music and media students to become a possible satellite for the LIPA "fame" school.

At the dispute's heart is the situation caused by three main

bodies being responsible for Albert Dock. British Waterways owns the water and gave permission for Planet's six-month temporary berthing, with negotiations

to take place for a longer period.

Albert Dock Company owns the buildings (including leasing) and Gower Street Estates operates its public spaces and

walkways on behalf of tenants. The latter is especially unimpressed by the lightship's historical credentials.

Sue Grindrod, chairman of Gower Street

Estates, says: "The lightship came in without consultation. We're working with British Waterways reviewing the strategy of Albert and all the south

docks.

"The lightship will be moved into Canning Dock after a number of discussions between British Waterways and ourselves.

"The lightship

occupies the sunny side of the dock, blocking out light, and has a negative impact on the businesses. Scale is our main concern, which our board deemed

inappropriate for the Albert Dock. As the public can't access the lightship, I can't see how it benefits our visitors."

However, she did agree that

none of the Albert Dock resident vessels - the tug Brocklebank, coaster Wincham, barquentine Zebu or Indefatigable's launches - were accessible by the

public, but she thought the Baltic schooner Glaciere could be viewed "by appointment".

Would Gower Street Estates not feel responsible of the loss of

Planet to Salford Quays by this decision to force the vessel out of Albert Dock?

Grindrod says: "It's British Waterways' problem to find a solution.

We're here to work in partnership in all our interests. Blue Bar expressed operational issues about gaining access to (Planet). There are health and safety

concerns here."

Pam Brown, president of Mersey Lightvessel Preservation Society, which fought for years to save Planet, says: "This appears to be an

infight between the operators of the Albert Dock complex."It is despicable that Bill Broadbent, British Waterways' harbourmaster, who has jurisdiction on

bringing vessels into Albert Dock, is now having to rescind his permission.

"I believe Planet's berth was offered a year ago, and this has been all

done correctly legally with the right insurance. If she's too big for Albert Dock how come this was not spotted earlier on?

"It would be a great

shame if Planet goes to Manchester, yet another important part of our Mersey heritage that seems likely to go off to foreign parts."

Jim Gill, chief

executive of regeneration agency Liverpool Vision, says: "The south docks do need animation and bringing back boats is a good thing that adds to their

attractiveness.

"This whole matter could have been better managed. With a bit more sensitivity between the individuals involved, this problem could

have been avoided.

''Clearly all the people involved have to get on with each other and should behave in a manner for the greater good." The wider

vision concerns leading Merseyside maritime preservationist Susan Hanley-Place, chairman of Mersey Heritage Trust.

She says that from the start of

Albert Dock's regeneration, there were plans - shown on illustrations - to include a lightship.

"Redevelopment plans always envisaged Planet would

find her final retirement home in Albert Dock, and here she is, berthed up with Liverpool's square-rigger Zebu," says Hanley-Place.

"Planet deserves

a warm Liverpool welcome after all those years heaving at anchor out in the Irish Sea.

"British Waterways is a decent organisation to deal with. This

has a great deal to do with Bill Broadbent. Bill had a BW remit to develop the ship presence as he sees fit."I have the original promotional brochure for

'Albert Dock Village'. It clearly shows the lightship Planet as part of the original aspirational historic ships collection."

"Basil Bean,

Merseyside Development Corporation's first chief executive, recognised the importance of smaller historic vessels and British Waterways is now carrying

forward this vision, and must be supported to the hilt."

Bill Broadbent, British Waterways harbourmaster, says: "Nobody ever suggested we wouldn't

speak to Gower Street Estates. We've agreed to move Planet to another location, although all three options have problems regarding water, power and

security."

John Sloan of CB Richard Ellis which manages Albert Dock on behalf of Gower Street Estates, says: "We must ensure all procedures for public

health and safety and general activity connected with the vessels does not interfere with the occupiers which permanently reside on, and the public who

frequent, the dock area."

Justine McGuinn, a spokeswoman for CB Richard Ellis, also stated Planet was too big and "quite intrusive" for Albert Dock,

although the lightship mostly lies lower than the public walkways and its protruding lantern does not obstruct any office windows.

Pam Brown of Mersey

Lightvessel Preservation Society reiterates: "We've a great deal to thank Gary McClarnan for. Thanks to him Planet is presently so near to her original home

at the mouth of the Mersey, afloat on the river waters that actually flow into Albert Dock."

peter.elson@dailypost.co.uk



Planet's history

THE lightship Planet and her predecessors witnessed many maritime events in their lifetimes, especially the convoys

assembling during the war, before their dash across the Atlantic and around the world.

The first Mersey lightvessel was also called Planet and built

at Birkenhead in the 1870s. Planet, stationed at Mersey Bar from 1961 to 1972, was manned by a crew of seven who spent two weeks at a time on board. She had

no engine and was towed to her position, being held in place by a four-ton wrought iron anchor. Planet was replaced by a 55ft diameter unmanned Automatic

Navigational Buoy.

In 1972 Planet was relocated by her owners Trinity House to Guernsey, until 1983. Made redundant again, it was dispatched to Harry

Pound's scrapyard, Portsmouth.

She was saved from demolition when bought by Keith Ganes and Mike Critchley, and who berthed the vessel in the East

Float Dock, Birkenhead, until her latest relocation across the Mersey in Albert Dock.

Stan McNally, chairman of the Mersey Lightvessel Preservation

Society, says: "Planet is an historic ship and deserves preservation. This part of Britain has long been associated with the Merchant Navy and provided a

large proportion of its crews."

The marine radio museum originally on Planet is now relocated to Perch Rock Fort, New Brighton. Visit the website at:

www.barlightvessel.org.uk

Kev,
Next time you are down that way

would you get pictures please.

Kev,
Next time you are down that way would you get pictures please.
Yep, no problemski :celb (23): maybe someone already has

one to share?

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Photo: Mersey Bar

Lightship, Liverpool Daily Post

Thanks.:celb (6):

It's never ceases to amaze me what people ***** about. Mz. Grinrod should dive in the dock wiv a coal sack on her

back.:celb (6):

There are also security problems with this exposed berth.Ha ha! Had a look at it yesterday and was

tempted to jump on board, but thought better of it... Would be a shame if it's forced to leave, as it's certainly an interesting looking ship. I think

Albert Dock should have more boats in it...

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17th October

2006.

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17th October

2006.

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2006.

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2006.

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17th October 2006 - last

one.

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Great pics. I don't understand the problem here. How is it "inappropriate"? - it's a ship in a dock. :confused:

Excellent pics Mr

Williams:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Agree with Howie, wtf is the problem with having a ship in the Albert Dock?

A comment from another group I belong

to:
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Paul's comments about the size of vessels in Albert Dock remind me of the days when HMS Eaglet was a floating

naval establishment in Salthouse Dock (between Albert Dock and the dock road). She was basically a hull with a big shed on the top, flew the White Ensign and

served as HQ of Mersey Division RNVR (later RNR). HMS Irwell performed the same function in Morpeth Dock, Birkenhead for the Royal Marine reserve - but she

later crossed the river and was tied up alongside Eaglet. Both were replaced by the the now demolished "stone frigate" by the Waterloo Lock.

However

they had a number of other vessels used for various forms of sea training which were kept in the Albert Dock - the largest of which was their minesweeper -

the name HMS Mersey was passed from ship to ship but the one I remember in Albert Dock was an early Coniston class. There was also a steam pinnace known as

HMS Rosie (but that may have been a nickname). I went to sea on both of them a few times with the reserve - but never without incident. On HMS Rosie (and I

think one of her type is still in Albert Dock) we ran aground on the Devil's Bank opposite Otterspool and ended up being rescued by New Brighton

lifeboat.

On the minesweeper I remember a trip to Holyhead where the mayor came on board and there was a galley fire whilst he was on board. On

another occasion we spent the whole of the weekend on board in Albert Dock because the engines wouldn't start. The warehouses were all semi-derelict but so

well built they could not afford to demolish them but at that stage there was no money and no vision for what has transpired since. We were on the sunny side

of the dock and, being sheltered from any breeze there might have been, we just frizzled all weekend.

So .. there are historical precedents for large

vessels than PLANET in the dock.
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Excellent snaps AD :celb (23): .

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Yellow Duck Marine

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Mersey Mariner, just off Canada Dock

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What does the Mersey Mariner do?

The Mersey Mariner is a dredger.

It's a dredger.

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Last few and I'm off to bed soon. Early start tomorrow and back in Liverpool on Tuesday:PDT_Piratz_26:

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Like a duck out of water (groan!)
Liverpool's Brocklebank on the Solent.

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Like a duck out of water (groan!)
Liverpool's Brocklebank on the Solent.

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Dave what is carrier in the background?

John, I think it's the Charles De Gaulle.

Looks similar to 'Mersey Venture', pictured here near Kings dock (Feb 2004)

That pic is great mark, the fellas standing on the banks:shock:

John, I think it's the Charles De Gaulle.

A nice carrier.

Looks similar to 'Mersey Venture', pictured here near Kings dock (Feb 2004)

Why was the ship high and dry on the river wall? At Brombrough they berth ships in the tidal river and unload on the river wall, and they alwo rest on the bottom too. Ships now have flat keels, not like older ships with round keels.

This makes port facilities cheaper with no lock gates to maintain.

I have a feeling that the Mersey Venture was having some repair work to one of its' propellers...I seem to recall one of them was very shiny (maybe new?). The tide was out a very long way at the time.
It's the only time I've seen a ship at that location, right up against the river wall opposite the Kings dock car park.

I have a feeling that the Mersey Venture was having some repair work to one of its' propellers...I seem to recall one of them was very shiny (maybe new?). The tide was out a very long way at the time.
It's the only time I've seen a ship at that location, right up against the river wall opposite the Kings dock car park.

If it needed work on the propeller it would be towed into dry dock, as there is no lifting gear around there. It is a suction dredger. Was it dredging around the Canning river locks?

They may have been inspecting the rudder/props. A cheap way to do it rather than pay for a dry dock. It takes time to pump out all that water and and then refill.

The Venture mainly does the Liverpool Bay channels.

:PDT_Aliboronz_24: Cheers, Kev, ScouserDave, A D Williams, brilliant photo's.

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Ha! that's my avatar having a rest. :) :)

This vessel was moving out to sea yesterday, but I just managed to capture the name 'Irish Sea Pioneer'. It look similar to the vessels mentioned in another thread. It moves under its' own power, so I'm guessing that the red 'hull' adjusts to become the 'platform' when it reaches its' destination. Looks wierd to see it move along the river like an upturned rig.

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Tall ship training vessel taken from Birkenhead Priory

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Cracking pics Kev & Razor.
Razor, I was up on St Mary's Tower last week and the buggers locked me in! It was only 15:30. I almost broke the doors down before an assistant unlocked them. He told me that I should inform them before I go up there. I told him to put up a big bluddy sign saying so!:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

The big blobby cloud was there all day. From Fiddlers Ferry, so I was told.

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Razor's post just reminded me that the main reason I was on St Mary's Tower was to take a pic of the stricken Sea Express.

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That's the reason I went up the tower,but my camera was'nt good enough to take a picture shooting straight into the sunlight,even standing on the rickety old chair I found at the top of the stairs to hold the door open and shield the lens did'nt help,so thanks for the picture.
Razor1

Excellent pics Gerard :PDT11. Is that u in the first pic? There's a Liverbird on that jacket!

Excellent pics Gerard :PDT11. Is that u in the first pic? There's a Liverbird on that jacket!


Thanks Kev,No not me mate,I only went fishing once in Stanley Park years ago..Too many Snakes and worms involved !!

Boss Zoom, no stopping you now :handclap:

Brilliant pics Gerard. Here's a few I've taken over the past week or two. First one's from St George's Tower and the other two are by Canada Dock.

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Boss Zoom, no stopping you now :handclap:


Ha haaa..Cheers john...Thats it mate....Were off now Lad !!!

^^Nice pics Dave^^ cheers :PDT11

So Dave brings me back down to earth again..Lol..
Great pics as per usual Davey Boy !!

How the F'n ell do you get that close Dave from St Georges Tower..Thats in Everton isnt it ...
Is your Lens Abarr 8ft Long....Do you need a Transit Van to put it in !!!.
Seriously Dave..What Lens did you use for that Great shot you took of the Liver Building with the Mountains with Snow on the peaks.
And what Camera(s) Do u use if you dont Mind me asking..

Thanks Kev and behave yerself Gerard LOL!:PDT_Piratz_26:
The zoom from Everton is with my old Nikon 8800 and the other two are either an Olympus 8800 or E500. I haven't got the info to hand as these are all copies (originals at the office) and they don't contain the exif data.

Here's one of my recent favourites, the Gladstone, Canada and Bramley Moore entering Langton Lock.

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Brilliant Mate,,I want yer autograph..
Seriously..Theres a Few of You on here that take Fantastic Photo's..Are you a professional Dave.
AND..is The Nikon 8800 the full shebang..Or Just the Body..Whats the Lens in mm.

Have u checked out http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk yet?

Gerard, the Nikon 8800 is just a d_amn fine digi camera. It's been discontinued for a while now, same as the Olympus 8080. I'll never swap them though. I've got 6 cameras in all...that's if you count that cheapo Samsung that I bought recently (which I've only ever used to take 10 shots!)

Here's the spec and a review for the 8800 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikoncp8800/)

Have u checked out http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk yet?

Excellent Kev,I have seen that Pictorial site before,I notice all the Pictures are for sale..Whats to stop anybody right clicking and saving the photo and then printing it..I also know that a Photo advertised on there is not actually as the Photographer claims..I think He's being a bit Naughty to sell it by claiming its something its not...

I also know that a Photo advertised on there is not actually as the Photographer claims..I think He's being a bit Naughty to sell it by claiming its something its not...
Tell me which one Gerard and I'll look into it.

Gerard, the Nikon 8800 is just a d_amn fine digi camera. It's been discontinued for a while now, same as the Olympus 8080. I'll never swap them though. I've got 6 cameras in all...that's if you count that cheapo Samsung that I bought recently (which I've only ever used to take 10 shots!)

Here's the spec and a review for the 8800 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikoncp8800/)

Looks a great Camera Dave..I'll have to have a blimp on Ebay for one of them.

Tell me which one Gerard and I'll look into it.

Are you involved on there Dave..I dont really want to get the fella in trouble or anything.

It's not the location where the Quarry Men Skiffle Group played on 6th July 1957 is it Gerard? That's the only pic I can think of that you might be querying. I saw your fantastic Beatle related pics recently and noticed your location for the Quarry Men gig was different from my shot. I didn't think too much about it at the time. All I can say is that is where Dave the caretaker who looks after the church and hall said the gig was played and that he was there at the time. Also, Jim O'Donnell who wrote The Day John Met Paul said that was the exact spot when I done some work for him. Me? I haven't a clue. I was just going by what they told me.

BTW Bob Paisley's buried nearby. I wouldn't have known unless Dave the caretaker pointed it out.

Dave,I never had a clue you took that Photo..Honest to god mate..
It May well be the actual spot Now you took it and I'm in the wrong !!!


Bob's Grave...His son Graham gave me permission to use it..Lovely Fella.


Great pic and a great man Gerard, thanks.

I don't know about you being in the wrong, but you've got me worrying now if I'm in the wrong LOL!

Gerard, they could right click, save them and get them printed, but the quality would look crap. The images you see on websites are 72 dpi whereas they need to be at least 300dpi or 4 x the size. Most of the pics on my website may just about make a half decent quality 3 inch wide pic which is a chance I'm prepared to take.

However, like I wrote a few weeks back, I may start using watermarks after a recent experience of somebody using them for their youtube video without my permission. I also had to ask somebody today (for the second time!) to take my pics off their web page, because they "borrowed" them without giving any credit. Why do people do that?!:PDT_Xtremez_12:

Gerard, Dave the caretaker reckons Paul didn't hang around for the gig. He said they met up in the Hall across the road and apparently John was impressed with Paul after he tuned his guitar for him.

Oh well, I'm off to bed. Speak to yer tomorrow night mate:PDT11

ohhhhhhhhhh! Splendid pictures, young Gerard.

ohhhhhhhhhh! Splendid pictures, young Gerard.


Thank's A.D.

Liverpool Boat Company, Boundary St

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Gerard mate, these Collingwood Dock pics are brilliant. Love them all, but the one looking towards Everton is my fave:handclap: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/DSC00387.jpg

Gerard mate, these Collingwood Dock pics are brilliant. Love them all, but the one looking towards Everton is my fave:handclap: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/DSC00387.jpg

Thank you Dave..Is that your Tower in the Background !!

Well in Gerard.

I don't know if this boat will be floating anytime soon...It's hidden in a Large Warehouse in Kirkdale.

Well in Gerard.

Ta Ged.

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Sorry if this should be posted somewhere else but couldn't find anywhere. Cant beleive the Albert Dock company are making the people who own the Lightship in the pic move it. Worse still that it is going to Salford Quays! And why isn't the German U Boat from Birkenhead going to the Maritime museum? How much more appropriate an exhibit could you get than a submarine that was involved in the Battle of the Atlantic hunting Liverpool ships. If either of these vessels go elsewhere it will be a disgrace and another ridiculouis loss to the city.

Sorry if this should be posted somewhere else but couldn't find anywhere. Cant beleive the Albert Dock company are making the people who own the Lightship in the pic move it. Worse still that it is going to Salford Quays! And why isn't the German U Boat from Birkenhead going to the Maritime museum? How much more appropriate an exhibit could you get than a submarine that was involved in the Battle of the Atlantic hunting Liverpool ships. If either of these vessels go elsewhere it will be a disgrace and another ridiculouis loss to the city.

Youv'e put it in the right place christy..Great piccies..Your spot on about the Idiots who run this Council mate..Doe's my F'n Head in the way they make cock up after cock up and never seem to learn from the Criticism they get.

Here's one from the dim and distant past. Taken in 1957.
Bunkering tanker. Spent most of our time around Canada and Alexandra docks or out in the River.

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Brings back some old memories of cycling from West Derby Rd to the docks for three monts and praying for deep sea again.

Phredd

Cracking pic Phredd. Which part of West Derby Rd are you writing about?

Cracking pic Phredd. Which part of West Derby Rd are you writing about?

Hi Dave.
The Rocks Streets, (Red, White & Grey) ? wonder why Grey and not blue lol. Born in White Rock St.

In the time of the Brixham I was living in Harewood Strret (long gone) off Whitefield Road.

Phredd

Alright Phredd, I was just down the road from you in Hughes St. Remember this old school building in White Rock St?

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/whiterockL6.jpg

Wow = takes me back a long time.
I went to it for a short while then on to Butler street then on to Boaler St.

I also remember the school hall in White Rock next to the school.
Queued up for Free school meals (Mash, stew with lumps of fat and watery cabbage followed by lumpy custard and stemed dough.) on many a holiday.
The food done me no harm lol I am still here.

Phredd

Although never wetting her bottom with Mersey water she never-the-less carries the name of her port of registry emblazoned on her stern. Taken in December 2005.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8889/pict0126xh1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Another view of the Queen Mary moored at Long Beach, California.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6528/pict0153cl4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This ship put gallons of Mersey brine under her keel. She is the Star of India. Built in the Isle of Man she now rest at the maritime museum in San Diego in sunny:) California.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3839/radiance003lk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Excellent pics Sloyne :)

http://static.flickr.com/115/305741059_c331138664.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/305741059/)




TIME is running out in the fight to save one of Merseyside’s most historic ships. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=time-running-out-for-historic-lightship%26method=full%26objectid=18755854%26site id=50061-name_page.html)

Kev
Is the Maritime Museum not interested in it ?

Surely a piece of history like this should be kept on Merseyside whatever the cost.

I never did pass it. I gave up the sea a few years befor it was put in place.

Phredd

Kev
Is the Maritime Museum not interested in it ?

Surely a piece of history like this should be kept on Merseyside whatever the cost.

I never did pass it. I gave up the sea a few years befor it was put in place.

Phredd

Its a unique vessel, not sure if they have shown an interest. Its almost on par with the moving of the gormley statues, we shouldn't let it happen.

Just sent this off >>>>>>>>>
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Runcorn
WAx xxx

01928-7*****

The Mersey Lightship is a very unique vessel. I am not sure but I think it is the last surviving one of its kind.
I did not have the pleasure (yes it was) to pass this as I gave up the sea in 1957.

I ask you as a newspaper to use all the power and publicity you have to help to keep this ship in Liverpool. Our city has lost too much of its Maritime history.
Please act in some way.

Fred B***** (name and address supplied but NOT for publication)
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You never can tell = It may help.

e-mail to >>>> talkback@liverpoolecho.co.uk

Just sent this off >>>>>>>>>
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Runcorn
WAx xxx

01928-7*****

The Mersey Lightship is a very unique vessel. I am not sure but I think it is the last surviving one of its kind.
I did not have the pleasure (yes it was) to pass this as I gave up the sea in 1957.

I ask you as a newspaper to use all the power and publicity you have to help to keep this ship in Liverpool. Our city has lost too much of its Maritime history.
Please act in some way.

Fred B***** (name and address supplied but NOT for publication)
************************************************** ***

You never can tell = It may help.e-mail to >>>> talkback@liverpoolecho.co.uk

Good luck :PDT11

Unsure if we have posted this before on Yo, I recall photos and a thread about the Lightship

Please vote [leave a message] to save the Mersey lightship restored in the Albert Dock, there are those who want to take it to Manchester, more of our heritage could be lost
http://www.barlightvessel.org.uk/index.html

John

John
Well done me old hearty
Thanks for the link

Phredd (r652207)

No problem phredd. hopefully others will sign as well

I hope this is in the correct place.

Many ships on this site have a Liverpool/Merseyside connection

http://www.photoship.co.uk/

If you are looking for a ship I think this is the place to start.

Phredd

Morning all.

Has anyone any more information on the fate of the Lightship. ???

Phredd

A statement from the Albert Dock authorities said that Planet cannot stay in either Albert Dock or Canning Dock and will be removed to Salford.

However, the ship’s supporters from across the world are fighting back, supported by Judith Feather, Liverpool Culture Company’s maritime supremo.

Planet’s owner Gary McClarnan claims that Ms Feather, head of marine events, told him that it is not necessary for Planet to go to Salford because of inadequate infrastructure here. (inadequate infrastructure here? what does that mean, it floats!!!!!!)

Instead, she suggests that the electricity and water supplies that the ship would need in Canning Dock could be installed at a reasonable cost.

This contradicts a statement released by Albert Dock Company, its public spaces management company Gower Street Estates and British Waterways, blaming “lack of infrastructure” for ejecting Planet.The statement says:

Here we go.....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

“All (Albert Dock) partners would like to see the lightship remain in the South Docks area but, unfortunately, a suitable location cannot be found which meets health and safety requirements, the needs of the owner and the partners.

“Unfortunately Canning Dock cannot be used permanently because it is a tidal dock used during the operation of ships sailing through Canning river lock.”

This also appears to be at odds with long-term plans for the permanent berth in Canning Dock of HMS Whimbrel, the Battle of the Atlantic Memorial Ship, which is far bigger than Planet.

The Albert Dock statement adds: “Although all partners recognised the historic significance of the Mersey Bar lightship, some concerns were raised from occupiers of the Albert Dock estate about the vessel being moored there.

“On 18 January 2007, during extreme weather, the mooring lines securing the vessel to the dock wall broke away and the vessel was moved to Canning Half Tide Dock for health and safety reasons.”

Mr McClarnan, a Manchester-based music and property entrepreneur, denied he was consulted about the statement and disputed much of its content.

He says: “Planet could be moored securely in Albert Dock with ropes around the warehouse columns as shown in old photos, and a practice used by Merseyside Maritime Museum’s vessels.

“I wasn’t asked to move Planet from there for health and safety reasons, but threatened with trespass by Gower Street Estates if I moored the ship to the columns. That’s why the ship broke free in the storm.”

Pam Brown, Mersey Bar Lightvessel Preservation Society president, says: “I hope that some kind of sense will still prevail to keep this iconic vessel here.

“There is plenty of quay space in Canning Dock for Planet’s permanent berth. It’s simply a case of the relevant authorities sitting around a table if they are committed to make it happen.”

Planet, the former Mersey Bar lightship and Britain’s last manned lightship, was likely to be sold abroad when Mr McClarnan bought it for £100,000 and spent a further £100,000 on restoration.

source (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=the-bitter-row-over-whether-liverpool-can-keep-the-historic-mersey-bar-lightship-planet-lurched-into-further-confusion-last-night%2D%26method=full%26objectid=18854231%26sitei d=50061-name_page.html)....

Kev
Any further news about the Lightship ?

We have a Yellow Lamb Banana and a Yellow Submarine. Maybe if we paint the lightship Yellow it will stay on the Mersey.

Me !!! I live in a dreamland.

Phredd

A tight fit:)

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/marine001.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/marine002.jpg

You can almost feel everyone breathing in :PDT_Xtremez_42:

The dredger Mersey Venture (page 2 of this thread), is to be decommissioned.

THE Yellow Duckmarine has become a familiar sight around Liverpool city centre – driving passengers through the heart of city before splashing into the Albert Dock.

Now the firm behind the tours has announced the acquisition of the last available duck in the UK and is celebrating doubling its fleet this year.

The colourful amphibious vehicles, affectionately known as the Wacker Quackers, are one of Liverpool’s quirkiest visitor attractions.

The Clyde McQuacky, as it was originally named, is now in need of a full make-over at Yellow Duckmarine’s New Bird Street workshop.

The new addition was tracked down after being found abandoned in a field in Glasgow after a similar Scottish company went out of business. Staff at Yellow Duckmarine, which launched its third duck at Easter, are particularly pleased to have secured their fourth vehicle, but know that, for now at least, it will be their last.

Ducks – which were originally called DUKWs when created in the US to transport men and materials during the Second World War – are no longer in production, and each one still in use is accounted for.

Alfred Draper, director of engineering for Yellow Duckmarine said: “The new duck is going to take about a year to restore, because it needs a new engine, gearbox, brakes, new seating – everything.

“We were lucky enough to find it at all.

“Now we want to work hard to have it ready for 2008.”

It marks a turnaround in fortune for the firm, which has been operating since 2001 and was threatened with closure before the arrival of new staff in 2005.

The hour-long tour takes in all the city centre’s majorsightseeing attractions, before taking to the water and splashing into the Albert Dock for a sail in the Mersey.

Similar attractions also operate in London and Nor- folk. Mr Draper added: “The ducks have been a huge success over the last few years and I think that’s due to all the regeneration of the city, which I think is absolutely brilliant.

“There’s plenty to see at the Albert Dock and people really enjoy the ducks – kids love it, we’re always fully booked during school holidays.”

But Mr Draper says the company might break with tradition and abandon the vivid yellow colour scheme when the new duck is ready for the off.

“I’m thinking of painting this one grey and making it into a shark. it would be funny to see it chasing all the ducks around the dock.”

vickyanderson

I was just wondering how it can be inappropriate to have a ship in a dock? Apart from being out at sea were would an appropriate for it to be?

We have Duck tours here too.. They keep the Duck on land in a parking lot at night.. then it drives to town to pick up the tourists in Waikiki...Then off it goes... Never been on one.. But, the one in Liverpool sounds pretty good...:handclap:

Mersey ferryboat leaving the Pier Head, Liverpool. A photograph by my friend, Geoffrey R. Andrews, taken in May 2000.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/487636272_8ef7968a8f_o.jpg

We have Duck tours here too.. They keep the Duck on land in a parking lot at night.. then it drives to town to pick up the tourists in Waikiki...Then off it goes... Never been on one.. But, the one in Liverpool sounds pretty good...:handclap:

Actually I hate these Tour Duck things. Not sure quite why but they irritate the heck out of me. We have them in Washington, D.C., and Baltimore. Below is a photograph of one at Union Station, D.C. and a poem I wrote that refers to them.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1074/539357675_cf7c37aff8.jpg


So Un-KOOL

Hip-hop Hopkins students are back --
returned to rip-rap us with rococco rap.

I find an empty pack of KOOLs on the stoop,
a can of Bud Lite; a nacho swarms with ants.

I beeline for the dumpster, bunt their baggie
of beercans into the depths: HELLO HELLO!

As I turn back, a tourist Duck trundles past
and anorexic students, beer-bellied Ma 'n' Pa blast

me with duck calls, ICK! QUACK QUACK QUACK!
I want to shove their pacifiers down their throats.

I have a scab on my scrotum, wish all goodwill:
hex 'em, flex 'em, a pox on the Student Body.

Christopher T. George

Why are we letting our history sail into oblivion?
Mar 17 2008
Linda McDermott Liverpool Echo

SHE was the lantern on the door of Liverpool.

The twinkling light at the Mersey bar was the first sight of home for hundreds of thousands of Scousers home from the war.

We can put up a fight to save Superlambanana but the Planet bar light vessel, the little red boat that earned its place in the story of Liverpool, lies unwelcomed by the authorities at the side of the dock.

And to rub further salt in the wound, she’s been saved from scrap by a Mancunian.

Gary McLarnan, who’s promoted the likes of Robbie Williams, is the angel who invested £200,000 in saving her after a hard fought campaign by the Planet Preservation Society.

Fed up at being treated like a nuisance, Gary was going to take her to Salford Quays but even a Manchester lad could see the irony in Liverpool losing her.

The Planet was the last manned light vessel in UK waters. The Mersey Mission to Seamen used to organise a turkey run each year. Taking hampers out to the men sitting out Christmas at the entrance to the river.

Through violent storms and Luftwaffe raids on Liverpool, the Planet stayed put, a symbol of safe harbour for the Merchant Navy sailors returning from their dangerous missions in the u-boat infested waters of the Atlantic.

Thirty thousand men lost their lives but many more would live to see the glow of the Planet’s welcoming lamplight at the mouth of the Mersey.

Every aspect of Liverpool’s culture, the subject of our celebrations this year, is born of the sea. The lads who became the Beatles were inspired by the music the Cunard Yanks brought home with them from America.

The immigrants who shaped our city arrived by sea. The trade we conducted with the world as one of the most important ports on the planet earned us the title of second city of the empire.

Yet we’ve let the Royal Iris, the Manxman and the historic warships sail into oblivion. How ironic that the only thing we salvaged from the Garden Festival site was a yellow submarine that never saw ANY action.

Three cheers for Neil Scales, at the helm of Merseytravel, who alone among the authorities has had the integrity and vision to rescue and preserve the last U-boat salvaged from UK waters following the demise of the Historic Warships in Birkenhead.

Thanks to him it will remain a tourist and educational attraction on the Mersey.

We’d still have the Overhead Railway if he’d been around in the 1950’s and what an asset that would be to us now in our congested environment.

Across the Irish Sea in Belfast, their idea to create a Titanic Quarter and heritage trail is to be admired.

Meanwhile, our historic Titanic building, the White Star Line headquarters at the foot of James Street, has been a dusty, mausoleum for nearly 10 years.

Just a forlorn "To Let" sign marks the spot where news of the greatest maritime tragedy in the world first reached land.

And no-one trumpets the Western Approaches, where Winston Churchill once kipped in his bunk as he grabbed some rest while the Battle of the Atlantic was conducted from that anonymous looking building in Rumford Place.

Is it beyond our wit to connect all these timeless treasures together to create a heritage trail that would enthral young and old alike?

Join Linda and her Liver Birds for late night conversation and laughter on BBC Radio Merseyside, 10pm ‘til 1am Monday to Friday, on 95.8fm and on line at www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool.

Source: Liverpool Echo (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/views/liverpool-columnists/linda-mcdermott/2008/03/17/why-are-we-letting-our-history-sail-into-oblivion-100252-20636181/)

Why are we letting our history sail into oblivion?
We can put up a fight to save Superlambanana but the Planet bar light vessel, the little red boat that earned its place in the story of Liverpool, lies unwelcomed by the authorities at the side of the dock.

Yet we’ve let the Royal Iris, the Manxman and the historic warships sail into oblivion.

Peel told the Maxman to get lost as there would be no space for them in Liverpool or Birkenhead. The docks near the city centre that were capable of holding historic ships are at canal boat depths or Peel want filled in (West Waterloo Dock).

A disgrace that the silly council allowed this private company top rape the city of its history - all for greed.