Liverpool One [Paradise Street] Shopping Area [Under Construction]

[Kev]

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LIVERPOOL One - that is the brand name being unveiled today for the £920m Grosvenor re-development in the Paradise Street area of the city centre.



The name has been chosen after months of intensive marketing research to find a short and snappy brand label for what is Europe's biggest retail project. The name is being officially revealed in Belfast at a national showcase event for the shopping centre trade.



The branding was created by international consultants Wolff Olins, the company that branded last year's Athens Olympics and branded the telecom giant Orange. Project director Rodney Holmes believes the name will quickly catch on in Liverpool.



He told the Daily Post last night: "We have put a lot of work into coming up with a brand name and believe we have chosen something that will become very popular and noticeable.

"Liverpool One is the most important development in Liverpool's city centre for more than 40 years. It will deliver a shopping, residential and leisure environ- ment that few other cities can match.


"Liverpool One reflects consumer and retailer demand, and places Grosvenor and its partners at the forefront of urban regeneration."



The selection of the name will be used as a launchpad for one of the biggest ever marketing drives to sign up occupants for the development.



Tenants are to be recruited for the 165 retail units that will span 1.6m sq ft. So far, the John Lewis Partnership and Debenhams have been announced as the occupants of the two big anchor stores.



Other retailers are queuing for space in the other 163 units, ranging from large shops to smaller stores.



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Continues: Here (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16317497%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26page=2%26headline=liverpool%2done-name_page.html)....

[Kev]

THE owners of the Odeon chain are to build a 14-screen cinema complex as part of the Paradise Street redevelopment.

The multi-million pound 3,000-seater leisure palace is likely to spell the end of the last surviving traditional cinema in the city centre, the Odeon, in London Road.

The company was last night saying little about its London Road site, but cinema experts believe there will be no space for the 10-screen building once the new showpiece building opens to the public.

Former cinema manager and historian Harold Ackroyd said: "If it does close it will be the end of a cinema era in the city centre. At one time there were 11 cinemas. I have recently been to one of the new multiplex cinemas and the picture and sound quality were superb."

Grosvenor have been involved in talks for months with the Odeon chain to negotiate a contract for what will be the biggest cinema in Liverpool.

A site in South John Street, close to Chavasse Park, has already been earmarked for the complex which will be ready in 2008.

Odeon joins John Lewis and Debenhams as anchors of the 2.4 million sq ft Paradise Street project, named this week as Liverpool One.

Located between South John Street and Paradise Street in the city centre, the Odeon multiplex will occupy the upper levels of a building designed by BDP.

It will complement the adjacent restaurants, cafés and bars, becoming a new addition to Liverpool's night time economy.

Below the cinema will be two large shops, which are already in negotiation with Grosvenor. Rod Holmes, Grosvenor's Project Director, said: "We are delighted that such a well established and respected brand as Odeon Cinemas will be the leisure anchor for Liverpool One.

"The company's modern and innovative approach to cinema entertainment makes it the perfect match for this aspirational development. Odeon's commitment at such an early stage highlights the market's confidence in Liverpool One."

Amanda Steel, Commercial Property Director for Odeon said: "The Paradise Project is an exciting development for a thriving city and it will return Liverpool to its rightful place at the top of the retail and leisure hierarchy. We are delighted to be an anchor tenant of this innovative development."

Cllr Mike Storey, Leader of Liverpool City Council, commented: "The 14-screen Odeon Cinema, along with the project's extensive new leisure facilities, will play a major part in helping us achieve our ambition of re-establishing Liverpool as a first class European destination."

larryneild@dailypost.co.uk

The Paramount was billed in 1930s Liverpool as the 'last word in cinema luxury'

THE Odeon in London Road, the last surviving traditional cinema building in the city centre, opened it doors in 1934 as the Paramount Cinema. It was built on the site of a boxing stadium that closed three years earlier and was demolished.

The plan was to build a 2,670-seater super cinema, the largest on Merseyside. Owners of the other big city centre cinemas, the Futurist, Scala and Palais de Luxe objected to the cinema licence being granted for the Paramount, described as the very last word in cinema luxury. It cost £240,000 to build.

The Lord Mayor, Ald George Alfred Strong, opened the Paramount on October 15, 1934 when Cecil B DeMille's Cleopatra was screened. The cinema hired internationally renowned organist Rowland F Tims. Early-bird tickets cost just a shilling (5p) with prices ranging later in the day between a shilling and 3s 6d (17.5p).

It was renamed the Odeon in 1942 when Paramount sold out to the Odeon circuit. In 1954 the Odeon became Liverpool's first large-screen Cinemascope cinema. The classic film, The Robe, was the first to be shown on the new big curved screen.

The organ remained until 1968 when it was switched to two screens. In 1973 three smaller screens were added, making it a five-screen complex, and was later reconfigured to provide 10 screens.

[FKoE]

Progess eh?

[Max]

:rolleyes: Likethe Odeon but they need to lower ticket prices.

[Kev]

HUGE stretches of Liverpool's new shopping district are at risk from unexploded World War II bombs. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16350714%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=wwii%2dbomb%2dhunt%2dat%2dcity%2ds%2d%2 dpound%2d920m%2dshops%2dparadise-name_page.html)

[lindylou]

It would have been nice if they had chosen Chevasse for the new name.
Sounds more interesting and a bit more classy than plain 'Liverpool 1'

[Kev]

Myself- I dont like the name Liverpool 1, a very poor decision to call it that I think. Plus the money someone must have been paid to come up with that!

'Paradise' would have fitted in and is familiar with us all i think.

[Louis]

Myself- I dont like the name Liverpool 1, a very poor decision to call it that I think. Plus the money someone must have been paid to come up with that!

'Paradise' would have fitted in and is familiar with us all i think.

yeah i agree

[Wormella]

Myself- I dont like the name Liverpool 1, a very poor decision to call it that I think. Plus the money someone must have been paid to come up with that!

'Paradise' would have fitted in and is familiar with us all i think.

Irraspective ofwhat it's actually branded - people will always call it the paradise project

[Kev]

HAIRDRESSER to the rich and famous Herbert Howe was King of the Castle yesterday when his new 'Bling Bling' building became the first to be completed in the Paradise Street redevelopment area. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16482658%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=hairdresser%2ds%2dbuilding%2dis%2dfirst %2dcompleted%2din%2dparadise%2dproject%2d-name_page.html)

[Kev]

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/jan2006/5/0/00086418-EBDE-13BB-A45B0C02AC1BF824.jpg


THIS is the luxury apartment block at the heart of the £900m Grosvenor redevelopment of Liverpool.



Some of the best UK and international architects competed to produce the winning design for the city centre homes.



Residents of the 12-storey building with its eyecatching aluminium fins on the outside will look out over College Lane and down to Albert Dock.

There will also be views of the city from a rooftop garden.

more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16546426%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=a%2dvision%2dof%2dthe%2dhigh%2dlife%2di n%2dthe%2dheart%2dof%2dthe%2dcity-name_page.html)

[Howie]

Explosion rings out across city

Liverpool's old bus station and NCP car park was demolished in an explosion in the city centre on Sunday.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41010000/jpg/_41010316_paradise203.jpg
The new interchange replaces
the old bus station

The controlled blast was carried out on Paradise Street, with nearby roads closed off to create an exclusion zone.

The buildings have been demolished to make way for part of the Paradise project - the large scale redevelopment of the city's shopping centre.

The explosion was heard across the city and some people reported hearing it as far away as Childwall and Wirral.

The new Liver Street car park and Paradise Street transport interchange, which replaces the old site, opened at the end of last year.

Source: BBC NEWS | Merseyside (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4636502.stm)

:eek:

[A.D.Williams]

Bugger! Wish I known they where blowing the car up - would have taken pictures!

:sad:

[Howie]

Saw it on BBC NEWS 24 this morning - looked pretty impressive! :nod:

[A.D.Williams]

Saw it on BBC NEWS 24 this morning - looked pretty impressive! :nod:

:crybaby:

[Kev]

Watch the explosion (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4636502.stm)

[Howie]

Shopping city starts with the Big Bang
Photo from Daily Post

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Full story here (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16616644%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=shopping%2dcity%2dstarts%2dwith%2dthe%2 dbig%2dbang-name_page.html).

[A.D.Williams]

From Liver Street Car Park -23rd January 2006.

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[A.D.Williams]

Liver Street Car Park - 23rd January 2006.

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[A.D.Williams]

Paradise Street - 23rd January 2006.

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/ssc/bigpara231063.jpg

[Max]

You da man Dave!:cool:

I wish I saw a demolition. :sad: :p

[Kev]

All I can say is 'wow' Dave, cheers :p The times I have parked there :sad: oh well, onwards and upwards............

[lindylou]

Good pics Dave. In years to come people will be interested in photos like that.

[Kev]

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[Kev]

WORK is about to start on Liverpool's latest tunnel - an underground road network that will lead motorists to the 2,000-space car park beneath Chavasse Park.

In a complicated engineering project, 8,000 square metres of earth will be excavated to create two vehicle ramps in Strand Street to provide access to the underground car park being built as part of the Grosvenor Project.

When the Grosvenor development opens in 2008, cars will use the ramps, one for traffic coming from Sefton Street, the other from the Pier Head, to enter the basement level of the car park more than 23ft below the road surface.

The ramps will be in the centre of the road, reached by specially marked lanes.

Because of the major work involved it will mean lane diversions along the Strand while the work is carried out to create the underground tunnels.

Grosvenor's construction partner, Laing O'Rourke, begins preparation work to construct the ramps this summer with the main work beginning towards the autumn.

Peter Jones, civil engineer with Laing O'Rourke, said: "One of the main points of arrival to Liverpool One will be the car park that sits underneath what was Chavasse Park.

"Capita Symonds, the project's highways engineers, have designed two ramps, positioned in what is currently the central reservation in Strand Street.

"These ramps will provide an entry point, delivering cars to the lowest basement level of the car park. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16811312%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=going%2dunderground%2d%2d%2dwork%2dto%2 dstart%2don%2dgiant%2dcity%2dcar%2dpark-name_page.html)

[Kev]

There are nearly 700 men and women working on the site and 70% of those are from Merseyside. ;)

Read more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16816498%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=latest%2dlook%2dat%2dparadise-name_page.html)

[Max]

They better be.:PDT_Armat

[Kev]

Just got back from Coopers after a few bevys, here's some pics of the tour:

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/../photoplog/images/1/large/1_DSC02944.jpg

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/../photoplog/images/1/large/1_DSC02949.jpg

The rest can be found: Here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/../photoplog/index.php?c=9)

Please visit them http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/images/smilies/celb%20%2823%29.gifand leave your comments. If you get a chance to get down there, go go go!!!

[A.D.Williams]

How did the trip go, Kev? And will there be another tour, like. Splendid pictures by the way.

:celb (23):

[Kev]

How did the trip go, Kev? And will there be another tour, like. Splendid pictures by the way.

:celb (23):

Dave the tour was very good, the initial chat in the information centre was great. The lovely lady (pics will arrive on the other forum I'm sure :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16: ) talked us around the area and with lots of knowledge as u would expect even when she was grilled about a few things she took it in good spirits and was suprised at the knowledge of Woody.

Then we were taken out of the info centre, around by maccies all the way around to the end of Paradise Street were we entered just around the corner, through a secure turnstile. Its like a little village in there, everything you could want for the workers. She led us up to a viewing platform and thats were we stayed for a bit taking in the sites.

Next year was mentioned about a possible time for another viewing.

I was very impressed with the site and the model and discussion, truely amazing and huge. I forgot how expansive the area is, not just the chavasse area.

There was talk (and she wouldnt deny it) that the Hilton would be the hotel opposite the Police Station :)

[Max]

So you actually got to go on the building site?

[FKoE]

;)

Read more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16816498%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=latest%2dlook%2dat%2dparadise-name_page.html)


How many are from Liverpool, nevermind Merseyside ? :037:

[Kev]

So you actually got to go on the building site?

Yes Max

[Kev]

Also....HMV on Church Street is closing. The ground floor of the existing building will be knocked through from the front to the rear exosing a walkway/ new shopping arcade that will link Church Street with Paradise Street :)

[Kev]

TWO Liverpool agencies have joined forces to take on the marketing of the apartments in Grosvenor's Paradise Street development. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/business/news/tm_objectid=16958718%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=a%2dmarriage%2dmade%2din%2dparadise-name_page.html)

[Kev]

Here's a very good PDF detailing the development with plans and pics. Checkout the walkway through HMV :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

http://www.liverpool-one.com/downloads/scheme.pdf

or take an animated 'fly through'

http://www.liverpool-one.com/pages/liverpoolone/tour.html

[Paul D]

It's looking great Kev I can't wait until this opens,that whole area has let this city down bad for years and come 2008 we will have a city we can be proud of.:celb (23):

[Kev]

LIVERPOOL'S famous George Henry Lee's building could be partly demolished by city centre developers Grosvenor, it was claimed last night. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17062349%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=grosvenor%2ddenies%2dplans%2dto%2ddemol ish%2dcity%2dlandmark%2d-name_page.html)

[Kev]

Some recent news:

Grosvenor on May 4th 2006 announced that Liverpool One, its £900 million retail-led regeneration of Liverpool city centre, has 55% of its floorspace committed to some of the UK's leading brands, two years ahead of opening in 2008.

New Look, Sports World, Virgin Megastores. JD/Nike and Scotts have all taken major space units (MSUs) located in prime locations throughout Liverpool One. They join anchors, John Lewis and Debenhams, who will occupy 240,000 sq ft and 185,000 sq ft flagship stores respectively.

Grosvenor's transformation of Liverpool city centre is creating a new frame of reference in the industry and retailers are seizing the opportunity to be part of this unique development at an early stage. Karen Millen, Office, Oasis, HMV, Barratts, Ernest Jones, Game, H Samuel, Superdrug, River Island, O2 and Orange have also committed to joining the anchors and MSUs at Liverpool One.

Upon completion, Liverpool One will feature four retail districts, 30 individually designed buildings, 1.4 million sq ft of retail space, a 14-screen Odeon multiplex cinema, 230,000 square feet of restaurants, cafés and bars, together with more than 600 new apartments, two hotels, offices, a revitalised five acre park, and new public transport interchange.

Each retail district will be imbued with a unique offer and atmosphere. The complementary and interconnecting districts have purposefully been designed to allow each to appeal to different types of consumers.

The MSUs will be located in Paradise Street and South John Street; the former being a chic European-style boulevard, designed to have particular appeal to fashion-conscious younger shoppers, and the latter being a family-orientated, shopping, eating, and leisure destination, with access to the park and the Waterfront.

The remaining two retail districts are Hanover Street, a lifestyle-focused destination with an informal, eclectic atmosphere, and Peter's Lane, a designer-led area, based around two small squares, narrow streets and an elegant covered arcade.

Neil Barber, Head of Retail Leasing at Grosvenor, is pleased by the industry's positive response to the development. Neil commented: "We are absolutely delighted by the commitment that Liverpool One is attracting from retailers. At what is still quite an early stage, we have been able to secure some of the key brands that will help characterise each of the development's retail districts. Our focus now is to attract those complementary and niche brands that will complete the individual look and feel of each district."

Graham Wood, Head of Property at Virgin Megastores, commented: "Grosvenor has taken an innovative and imaginative approach to creating a new retail environment for the city of Liverpool, and our early commitment is demonstrative of the confidence we have in the development's future success. Liverpool One will revolutionise the way in which the people of Liverpool and the wider North West area shop, live and relax. It is the kind of development that retailers such as ourselves have long been waiting for."

Geoff Green, Head of Group Property, Mosaic Fashions Group at Oasis, said: "We are delighted to be involved in the early stages of such a significant development as Liverpool One. Grosvenor will completely transform the retail offer in Liverpool, as well as making a significant contribution to the re-generation of the City Centre, and help to catapult the city back to the top of the retail hierarchy."

Commenting on the latest retailers to be announced, Cllr Warren Bradley, Leader of Liverpool City Council said: "I am delighted, but not surprised, that top names are signing up for Liverpool One. It is one of the most exciting developments of its type being built, not only in UK, but throughout Europe. It continues to generate a real buzz about the city and it is transforming Liverpool's prospects as a retail centre. We can hardly wait for it to be complete."

Liverpool One is due to be completed in 2008, during Liverpool's year as European Capital of Culture.

[Kev]

THIS photo captures the biggest change to our city since the Blitz.

The huge building site is the beating heart of the £920m Paradise Street project.

Cranes, lorries and hundreds of construction workers are busy creating shops, pavements and buildings behind hoardings.

This bird's eye view was taken from the top of the Lord Street headquarters of developer Grosvenor. Where now there are structures of steel and concrete, swish shops and wide boulevards in Liverpool's new shopping district will emerge.

Curious passers-by often stop to sneak a peak, through the site gates, at the hive of activity beyond.

A rare glimpse of the Anglican cathedral beyond is currently exposed to shoppers passing the site.

Vicki Locke, from construction firm Laing O'Rourke, said: "People do stop and have achat with the man on the gate. Theyare interested and curious about what is going on.

"We are currently in avery busy period and everyone is working extremely hard. The new John Lewis building is coming along really well.

"The whole development is moving quickly. We have hit every milestone, like the new car park and bus station, on time."

Two years ago a photo covering the same area would show the NCP Paradise Street car park, Moat House Hotel and shops.

These have all be consigned to the history books.

Now in the distance the new flagship John Lewis building, at the junction of Canning Place and Paradise Street, is taking shape, with the skeleton of the two tier shops on South John Street, to the right of the photo.

Elsewhere shopfitters are busy at work in the new BBC Radio Merseyside and Herberts of Liverpool headquarters.

As the year progresses the full height of the John Lewis building will be visible and the new Debenhams store will start to creep up over the height of the hoardings.

If you have been stuck in city centre traffic as a result of the construction traffic then take heart.

The first part of the £920m Paradise Project should be complete in autumn 2007, while the rest will be ready for the summer of 2008.

It will create a new 42-acre shopping centre, with more than 30 buildings divided into six districts, and a whole new chapter in Liverpool's history will begin.

[Kev]

THE architect who designed the world's tallest building has unveiled plans for an iconic tower block as part of Grosvenor's redevelopment of Liverpool.

US-based Cesar Pelli believes the 22-storey scheme opposite the Albert Dock will provide a stunning gateway to the £920m Grosvenor redevelopment. It will also form a key cornerstone of the new Chavasse Park on the Liverpool waterfront. The other corner plot will house a hotel and apartment block inspired by the famous Royal Crescent of Bath.

Grosvenor has submitted a formal planning application for both schemes after detailed discussions with English Heritage and other conservation and design agencies. The two Chavasse Park schemes will cost £100m, and the aim is to start work later this year and complete the buildings by 2008.

Argentine-born Mr Pelli was hired by Grosvenor as the master planner for the western part of the Paradise Street scheme and he created the park-in-the-sky idea for Chavasse Park with a massive below ground car park.

This is the first time his Connecticut practice has designed a building in Liverpool. Mr Pelli is best known for the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur, at 452m, the highest building in the world when it was built in 1998.

City planning managers are now studying details of the two schemes before submission to the planning committee in the summer. The Pelli building will house 330 apartments as well as offices, with restaurants and cafes fronting Chavasse Park.

The building, with a concrete frame and steel and glass facade. will range in height from nine to 22 storeys, making it the tallest structure in the Paradise Street scheme.

Grosvenor's project manager for the two schemes, James Alderson said: "These two buildings will make a major contribution to Liverpool's great waterfront. They have been designed in consultation with English Heritage and other bodies because of the World Heritage site.

"The hotel will form a great crescent surrounding one part of Chavasse Park with restaurants and cafes facing the new park. It is not too dissimilar to the famous crescent at Bath." It is thought that the Hilton Group are in advanced negotiations to operate the 206-bedroom hotel. The building will also house 68 apartments, reached through a separate entrance.

William Butler, a partner in Pelli Clarke Pelli, said: "We are delighted to be working in Liverpool and Cesar has applied his well established philosophy to our building.

"It fully respects the nearby Three Graces and we believe will make a stunning addition to your waterfront.

"Our philosophy is to respond to the place, to the purpose and to the wishes of the client. It means that all Pelli Clarke Pelli buildings are unique because they are designed for a particular site. Our building and the crescent-shaped hotel building will form a fantastic frame for Chavasse Park."

The Cesar Pelli building will also have a 260-place car park reached through the entrance ramp to the public car park beneath Chavasse Park.

The Pelli team is working is working on the project with Liverpool architects Brock Carmichael. The hotel has been designed by London architect Michael Squire.

Grosvenor project director Rodney Holmes said: "We believe these two buildings will look magnificent along Wapping.

"The development is being promoted by Grosvenor, but there is a possibility of a dual partnership for one or both of the buildings. We are currently in detailed negotiations with a number of potential partners."

larryneild@dailypost.co.uk

[Kev]

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/jun2006/5/4/AD9E257E-A7D8-01CD-FCEF9ED952D3832D.jpg

Lets, see - that is just in front of the LAw Courts I think....

[Kev]

Saw this on SSC Paul, thought I'd post it here:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/6011/pict00616qo8ro.jpg

Its georgeous!!

That poor, dirty, filthy building that is The Halifax building needs demolishion. How did it ever get planning permission.

[Paul D]

I was just about to post that and you beat me to it.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24: :)

[Paul D]

I like the way you can walk under it and it also has restaurants and bars with views of our new park.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Kev]

I was just about to post that and you beat me to it.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24: :)

Soz mate, it was so good I couldn't resist :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

[Paul D]

Soz mate, it was so good I couldn't resist :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

Twas only joking It's fantastic isn't it I'm looking forward to seeing this one rise.:celb (23):

[Paul D]

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3327/pict00608rh7my.jpg

This is what Chavasse park will look like.

[Paul D]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5945/herbertsweb8kj.jpg

Here's what the almost completed Herbets will look like.:celb (23):

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7969/00072007dfc413169d280c02ac1bf8.jpg

And John Lewis of course.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/3641/debsimageupdatedjune05web2ft.jpg

and this is how the new Debenhams will look,roll on 2008 when we have a shiny new city centre.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Paul D]

The new Odeon cinema sounds good as well because the 14 screen cinema occupies the top floors and the bottom floor has restaurants bars and cafes so this whole area will recieve a boost,especially with it being so close to the new Kings Dock arena.....Happy Days.:celb (6):

[Paul D]

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3297/bbcweb11jx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here's the BBC/friends of quaker building or whatever it's called,there's to be about 30+ new buildings in this development and about 18 old buildings converted so this gives you an idea how massive this development is going to be.

[A.D.Williams]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5945/herbertsweb8kj.jpg

Here's what the almost completed Herbets will look like.:celb (23):

Yes that looks about right. Below is the 'finished' building - 30th May 2006.

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/hanover/han3005064.jpg

[A.D.Williams]

Saturday 10th June 2006.

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/hanover/paradise/bps1006061.jpg

[A.D.Williams]

Saturday 10th June 2006.

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/hanover/paradise/bps1006062.jpg

[Paul D]

The real picture of Herbets looks better then the render I love it.I didn't realise how advanced the other building is,I think it's the new John Lewis building? excellent pictures A.D.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Kev]

Excellent images. I walked, more like staggered down by Paradise Street in the early hours of this morning. Its brilliant round there now, coming along nicely :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Kev]

THE two brothers behind Liverpool shopping centre Quiggins are embroiled in a bitter legal wrangle which threatens to delay the £920m Grosvenor redevelopment of the city centre. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17253899%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=legal%2dbattle%2dthreatens%2dgrosvenor% 2dtimetable%2d-name_page.html)

[Max]

Yes that looks about right. Below is the 'finished' building - 30th May 2006.

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/hanover/han3005064.jpg

Why does Herbert need a new building let alone making it look an tacky?:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13

[Paul D]

He needed a new building because they needed to demolish were his old building was for this new development and everyone who's seen it seems to love it,it's very modern and colourful and that's what city centre's should be like IMO.

[Max]

He needed a new building because they needed to demolish were his old building was for this new development and everyone who's seen it seems to love it,it's very modern and colourful and that's what city centre's should be like IMO.

Too gold and girly though.

[Paul D]

Too gold and girly though.

That's the idea of it he's the gayest person ever,he even lives in a pink house.:slywink:

[lindylou]

Too gold and girly though.

it suits the purpose .. a bit of bling or pizzaz whatever ya' wanna' call it - for a high class salon. :)

[A.D.Williams]

Sunday 2nd July 2006.

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/hanover/paradise/bps0207061.jpg

[Kev]

its growing - cheers Dave

[Thomas]

Thoughts on the 'bus station'?

[Kev]

Thoughts on the 'bus station'?

aweful, at the momet.

[Max]

The Paradise pjoect makes it a pain to go through that area of town though. Especially Church street. :mad:

Bus stop looks modern but I cycle to town.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Paul D]

The Paradise pjoect makes it a pain to go through that area of town though. Especially Church street. :mad:

Bus stop looks modern but I cycle to town.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

No pain no gain I'm afraid.:snf (41):

[Max]

The people walk too slow though! :mad:

Could understand old people or disabled people but young people are slow as hell!

[A.D.Williams]

Wonder what will happen with this eagle?

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/hanover/paradise/bps0207062.jpg

[Kev]

That's being restored :PDT_Piratz_26: me thinks, with the building.

[A.D.Williams]

That's being restored :PDT_Piratz_26: me thinks, with the building.

Splendid!

:celb (23): :celb (6): :celb (23): :celb (6): :PDT_Piratz_26: :PDT_Aliboronz_24: :snf (41):

[Max]

AWWWW, but I want to see destruction!:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13

[Kev]

A couple of figures:

*700 construction workers are currently employed on Grosvenor's £920m Paradise Project.

*Over 70% of the Paradise project labour force has come from Merseyside.

[Kev]

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/jul2006/2/8/5DD218E8-B2D7-1283-32B1A2B2AB072687.jpg


IT'S all change at Liverpool's most famous hairdressing salon.


Herbert Howe has packed up his heated rollers and performed his last perm at the old Paradise Street parlour.


On Friday his will become the first business to open its doors in Liverpool One, Grosvenor's £900m transformation of Liverpool city centre.


At Herbert's bling bling-style new salon, the interior design is reputed to be as glamorous as the outside. continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17364487%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=herbert%2dhair%2dsalon%2dfirst%2dto%2do pen%2dat%2dnew%2dshops%2dcentre-name_page.html)....

[Paul D]

I love it,it's great to see some real progress with this development and that building is fantastic.

[wallasey]

It's great to see that part of the city comming together. But correct me if I am wrong, I was on hanover Street the other day and I am sure I saw them pulling the back of the Bluecoat down. It was the back of a brown brick, georgian type building. I was stood around the herbert Herbert building but I am unsure as to whether it was the Bluecoat or not?

Lastly, when all of this development is finished, will the Canning Place bus station be more central to everything than it is now? It is a raw subject in the city and many people seem to be avoiding it. I used it once and I said Never again!

[Kev]

ONE of Liverpool's biggest and most challenging engineering projects is due to get under way in just over a week's time.

It will affect the key city centre route of The Strand and involves the construction of the entrance to the 2,000-space underground car park being built as part of Grosvenor's Paradise Street development, known as Liverpool One.

The work will see two ramps being built into the centre of the busy carriageway.

They will begin at road level and slope down to a depth of seven metres, allowing cars to be fed into the lowest basement level of the car park.

Preparation work by Grosvenor's construction partner, Laing O'Rourke, will start on July 30 and be followed by the main tunnelling work towards the autumn.


Laing O'Rourke civil engineer Peter Jones said: "One of the main points of arrival to the Liverpool One development will be the car park that sits underneath what was Chavasse Park.


"Capita Symonds, the project's highways engineers, have designed the ramps, which will be positioned in what is currently the central reservation of The Strand.


"The ramps are an essential element of the traffic management solution on this arterial route.


"In the final scheme, cars will take a slip road to the right, into the central reserve area, to access the ramps down to the tunnels, allowing the through traffic on The Strand to keep flowing smoothly.


"One of the main challenges whilst constructing the ramps is to keep The Strand open to traffic. Our traffic management solution means that we have been able to sequence our works to keep this road flowing."

While work takes place, the southbound carriageway of The Strand will contraflow on to the old northbound carriageway, allowing two lanes to be kept open in both directions.

At the same time as this project - part of Liverpool's "Big Dig" programme - gets under way, other major work will also start on Hanover Street.

As revealed in the Daily Post, this will see Liverpool city centre's major route to the new Paradise Street bus station close for almost a year and a half.

A combination of work by Grosvenor, United Utilities and gas company National Grid will mean hundreds of buses a day having to be re-routed during the full shutdown of Hanover Street and virtually all of Ranelagh Street.

Cllr Peter Millea, Liverpool's executive member for regeneration, said: "Much of the work on Hanover Street is about United Utilities delivering necessary water mains improvements.

"But much of this activity is about regenerating the entire city and creating new opportunities for generations to come.

"The city's engineers and traffic experts are working closely with contractors, developers and United Utilities to ensure that disruption is kept to a minimum.


"In addition, work will be suspended during Mathew Street festival to ensure residents and visitors have their usual enjoyable weekend.


"What we are doing in Liverpool is unique in the UK in terms of the sheer scale of the development taking place in such a relatively short timescale.


"It is a massive and complex jobe."


alaweston@dailypost.co.uk (alaweston@dailypost.co.uk)

[Kev]

THE construction site that will become the region's biggest department store has taken a step closer to completion.

Yesterday "evil spirits" were driven from the massive new John Lewis with a traditional topping-out ceremony on what will become the top floor of the store.

John Lewis is one of the anchor stores in the £920m Paradise Street project and when it opens it will be 40% bigger than its shop in Church Street.

It will open for business in 2008 during Liverpool's year as European Capital of Culture.

The store will have five trading floors and unrivalled views of the city's landmarks and across the Mersey from the restaurant windows.

Margaret Jacques, managing director of the Liverpool store, said: "It is really quite emotional and I am very excited. I can't wait to get here now. I am really proud that we will be moving to a store like this. The staff are looking forward to coming here too."

The ceremony is a centuries-old tradition to mark the new building reaching its highest point and as a thank you to the people who have built it.

continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17541147%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26page=2%26headline=we%2dre%2don%2dtop%2dof%2dthe% 2dworld-name_page.html)....

[Kev]

12th August 2006

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http://static.flickr.com/67/213098220_b13de94f10.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/213098220/)

[A.D.Williams]

Ha ha! Fine pictures there Kev.

:celb (23):

[Kev]

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/aug2006/3/0/34D49208-940E-7492-536A28BD7100ABB5.jpg

A computer-generated graphic shows the appearance of South John Street when the development is completed in 2008.

The infrastructure of the two-level parade of shops is well under way as contractors forge ahead on the showpiece development.

South John Street was previously off the beaten track, sandwiched between the old Chavasse Park and the rear of the now demolished Moat House Hotel and the old Paradise Street Bus station.

It was used as a short cut for people going to Lord Street from the Albert Dock.

In its new life, it will be a hectic area of shops and businesses, in a street with the new John Lewis store at one end, and Debenhams at the other.

With more than 55% of the retail properties already reserved in what is being marketed as the Liverpool One development, Grosvenor will have no trouble finding occupants for space in Europe's biggest retail development.

Visitors to the recent topping out parade on the roof of the John Lewis store had a bird's eye view of the new shopping street unfolding in front of them.

The Grosvenor Project is now more than half complete and is on target for opening during the first half of 2008 when Liverpool becomes European Capital of Culture.

The million square feet of extra retail and leisure space in the city centre is expected to attract thousands of new visitors to Liverpool, not only from across the North West, but farther afield, thanks to economy flights from Europe to Liverpool John Lennon Airport.

Grosvenor's project director, Rodney Holmes, said: "South John Street will provide exciting shops on two levels, a new heart for the city.

"Flanked at either end by the new John Lewis store and Debenhams, this two-level shopping street will create a very strong retail pitch, which will attract typical high street retailers.

"This will be the heart of the new shopping area, with two levels of shops at upper and lower levels, similar to what is seen in the city of Rotterdam. South John Street will become a very exciting space, with vertical movement linking it to the new Chavasse Park and the nearby leisure facilities."

Although open to fresh air and daylight, the canopies along South John Street will provide shelter from the elements."

City council leader, Cllr Warren Bradley, was impressed when he viewed the street's emerging new look.

He said: "The Paradise project is helping transform the heart of Liverpool which will make it one of the premier retail and leisure destinations not only in the UK but in Europe by the time we are Capital of Culture in 2008."

larryneild@dailypost.co.uk

[Kev]

Here's a few pictures taken at various times since very early on that remind us all how much progress has been made on this huge development, images courtesy of Iain Jones :)

http://static.flickr.com/98/222227230_3521a806b9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/222227230/)

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[Paul D]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/450/peli1zx6oh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Picture courtesy of D.Roberts.

[Kev]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/450/peli1zx6oh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

(*Wolf whistles) Thats nice, cheers Paul.

[Paul D]

It's brilliant isn't it this area is going to be amazing when it's done.:celb (23):

[lindylou]

Wow! That looks good ! :celb (23):

[Kev]

The former home of BBC Radio Merseyside is being demolished as part of Liverpool's Paradise Project.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42025000/jpg/_42025368_radiom203.jpg

The radio station was housed in the building on Paradise Street from 1981 to 2006, before it moved to new premises on Hanover Street in July.

The move was prompted by a £920m project to redevelop the area between the Albert Dock and Paradise Street.

A Radio Merseyside competition winner will press the button which will start the demolition.

The project centres on a 42-acre site which will modernise the city centre on the former site of Chevasse Park.

Project leaders Grosvenor are creating new look streets, squares and public spaces, working with the protected historic buildings and existing shopping districts.

The BBC began broadcasting in Liverpool with 6LV, which began in 1924 in a studio above a cafe in Lord Street.

It was chosen to be the fourth of a network of relay stations created by the BBC.

Radio Merseyside was born in 1967 as one of a series of eight local stations set up in various parts of England.

source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/5294822.stm).....

Picture Gallery of the demolition: Here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/image_galleries/radiom_demolition_aug2006_gallery.shtml?1)

[Waterways]

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/450/peli1zx6oh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Picture courtesy of D.Roberts.

I am unimpressed. A glass block of no merit except the corner chamfer.
5/10 Could do a lot better.

[Kev]

THE company building the £920m Paradise Street project has asked Liverpool council for more time to complete Europe's biggest retail development.

Developers Grosvenor last night said it would ensure the key retail area, including the anchor John Lewis and Debenhams stores, would still open in the first half of 2008.

But a last-minute hitch involving a partnership deal for two iconic buildings along The Strand will make it difficult for that part of the development to be finished by a January 4, 2009, deadline.

Last night, Grosvenor's project director Rodney Holmes, said the company intended to pull out all of the stops to complete all building work in 2008, when Liverpool celebrates being European Capital of Culture.

Under the original contract between the council and Grosvenor, the company is not legally obliged to open any of its development before 2009.

Following the award of the Culture title, Grosvenor decided it wanted to complete as much of the scheme as possible in the first half of 2008. The alternative would be for a huge hoarding to encircle the entire site as the celebrations took place.

As part of the contract, a crucial document which gives Grosvenor a lease covering the development site is due to be released by the council a year after the completion of the work.

Delicate negotiations are now taking place for that lease to be granted earlier, linked to the completion of the main retail core of the scheme.

Cllr Peter Millea, the city council's executive member for regeneration, said senior councillors and town hall officials, supported Grosvenor's request.

But he admitted there was some resistance to extending the time for completion of the two buildings on The Strand. It is understood the opposition is coming from consultants working on the legalities of the scheme.

Said Cllr Millea: "We are supportive, but there may be a few people who need convincing."

Riverside MP Louise Ellman said: "The Grosvenor scheme is crucial for Liverpool and if there are any hiccups at all I am willing to do everything I can to help.

Nothing must get in the way of this project."

It is understood that Grosvenor's main board, as well as the main financial backers for the scheme, view the earlier release of the lease as a reward for the race to finish the main core of the scheme in time.

One source close to the issue told the Daily Post: "To people in Liverpool, the completion of the Paradise Street scheme in time for the Culture year is seen as

critical. But the financial parties in London take a view that the development will be here for 250 years, so why will an extra year's construction work make any difference? The view is that a slight variation in the original contract will act as a quid pro quo , making it beneficial for both sides."

Grosvenor was seeking a development partner for two iconic buildings along Strand Street, one of them designed by celebrated architect Cesar Pelli.

One is a four-star hotel, the other apartments. Just two weeks ago, talks with a potential partner collapsed. It has left Grosvenor to carry out the scheme on its own.

Planning permission has yet to be granted, with issues raised by heritage bodies to be overcome.

Grosvenor's Rodney Holmes said even so the exteriors of the buildings would still be finished by the end of 2008, but more time would be needed to fit them out.

That will take the scheme beyond the current deadline.

Mr Holmes said: "Everyone agrees we are doing our best to finish the majority of the scheme in time for 2008. I am confident the council and Grosvenor will reach a satisfactory agreement over the proposal we have made. The next few days will be critical in this matter."

Sewerage relocation work in the Hanover Street and Paradise Street areas, and the need to construct underground flood relief chambers, have added to an already heavy construction programme.

Grosvenor calls for 'Plan B' to provide speedy access to city centre

EXECUTIVES at Grosvenor have asked Liverpool City Council if it has a "Plan B" for its delayed proposals to widen Hall Lane.

Following the collapse of the Merseytram scheme, Grosvenor sees the widened Edge Lane corridor as a key access route to the enlarged Liverpool city centre.

The council has put crucial plans to widen Hall Lane on hold to allow plans to be drawn up for a new Royal Liverpool University Hospital in Prescot Street.

Grosvenor project director Rodney Holmes said: "The Hall Lane improvement is vital as part of the M62 route into Liverpool city centre. There has to be a Plan B in place."

City council regeneration member, Cllr Peter Millea, said government financial support for the Hall Lane relief work would remain in place for two years.

The council is awaiting details of a master plan from the board of the Royal Liverpool around January for the new hospital.

"The council believes that a major quality hospital is important for the people of the city. If the hospital plans do not proceed, we will continue with our original plan for Hall Lane.

"If the hospital goes ahead with its scheme, we will have to devise a new route for the road scheme. We are working with the hospital to make sure there is a Plan B."

Having to re-route the Hall Lane relief road could mean a delay of up to two years in a new route being completed. It will depend on whether the land needed is in public ownership.

A spokesman for the RLUH confirmed plans for the hospital are expected early in 2007.

source (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17647404%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26page=4%26headline=plea%2dfor%2dtime%2don%2dkey%2 dcity%2dproject-name_page.html)....

[Howie]

European Capital of Construction 2008 :rolleyes:

[Max]

Ah well, I'll only be 22 when this is finished.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

[Howie]

Ah well, I'll only be 22 when this is finished.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:
I'll be happy to see it completed (Howie - fifty years older than the forum) :rolleyes:

[Paul D]

They better not start messing with the Pelli tower I wont be happy if they do,that's my favourite part of the whole scheme.:PDT_Xtremez_12:

[Kev]

They better not start messing with the Pelli tower I wont be happy if they do,that's my favourite part of the whole scheme.:PDT_Xtremez_12:

They might even drive a canal through it, who knows....or put a Waky Warehouse in the exposed dock.

[Paul D]

They might even drive a canal through it, who knows....or put a Waky Warehouse in the exposed dock.

They just better leave it alone.:angry:

[scoobysnack]

Of the 700 workers on paradise project.
The most they have had on there is about 350 workers, and the 70% might be from merseyside but they don't live on merseyside, they are just renting the place they are staying.
I was working on the project for a year before me and another 50 lads got layed off :mad: last month, out of the 50 lads there were only 4 foreginers.
And last week over 70 lads were layed off and again only 6 were foreigners.
If you go on site you will see for yourself. in my oppinon i find this a health and saftey issue as most can't speak english as i found out when i was asking some of the were they were from all i got for an answer was "ehh ehh"
And very few are from liverpool when i read the article about the 700 workers i like :wtf: were did they pull that figure from so i just thought i would let you know the real issues abut the project.
and dont even get me started about the raise they renaiged :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24: on wich no one has had and been fighting for for over a year.

[Paul D]

Why do you think they opened up the border,to let in cheap foreign labour who will work for peanuts and not complain,it's a disgrace IMO.:disgust:

[scoobysnack]

the funny thing is the foreigners on site are all on same pay as the very few local lad.:disgust:

[FKoE]

But the foreigners work harder for longer... Were you on an hourly rate Skoob ?

[scoobysnack]

it worked out weired there were all these kinds of bonuses "incentives" they said, like performance attendance punctuality.
but foreigners work the same hours 7am till 6pm but they didn't work any harder some of the so called joiners on site don't know how to even do a stop-end but they are still there while i'm not:sad:

[FKoE]

Maybe then its the fact that foreign workers are un-unionised ?

[scoobysnack]

there is a few that are in the union i think its more pc wich is a shame that we should suffer for what some pc thinks is wright and wrong.

[FKoE]

I know more often than not, a firm from outside the region comes to do a job with their own staff... but todays sites are different.. they are full of EU allsorts..

So why would an employer not prefer local employees ?

[scoobysnack]

well this company has got bad connections with liverpool anyway :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

[FKoE]

What..Laings has ?.. Is Laings still Irish owned ?

[scoobysnack]

and o'rourke both still irish owned

[FKoE]

The shame .............


Jimmy Larkin, Skooby.. do you know the name ?

[scoobysnack]

heard of him cant remember were ragged troused philanthropists comes to mind dont know why.

[FKoE]

;) CLICK (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1968)

[Kev]

BARCLAYS Bank is to close its three Liverpool city centre branches and relocate them to a new £2.5m centre in the Grosvenor retail development.

The Derby Square branch of the Woowlich Building Society, which Barclays now owns, will also move to the new purpose-built premises.

The move will mark the end of an era for the magnificent Martins Bank building in Water Street which has provided banking services to people in the city centre since 1932.

The other two branches to close will be a small one in Bold Street and Whitechapel, currently Barclays busiest Liverpool outlet.

The bank's corporate team, currently based in Moorfields, will be unaffected by the move and will remain there.

Barclays promises there will be no job losses among the 60 staff at the four current sites who will all move to the new headquarters, situated next to the planned Debenhams store in Lord Street, when it opens in spring next year.

Craig Hudson, area director for Barclays' retail operations in Liverpool, told the Daily Post there may even be an increase in staff numbers.

He said: "This move will benefit our customers. Footfall to the Martins Bank building has decreased over the years and the premises is no longer really suitable. The Whitechapel branch is extremely busy but is just too small.

"We are planning to keep the four cash machines on the exterior of the Whitechapel branch because they have been identified as some of the busiest ATMs in the country.

"There is no prospect of any jobs being lost as a result of this move, in fact it's possible we may look to expand the numbers." Martins Bank building is a Grade II-listed property completed in 1932. It was designed by renowned architect Herbert Rowse, whose contribution to Liverpool's architecture includes the Philharmonic Hall and the nearby India Buildings.

Barclays took over the building in 1969 when it acquired Martins Bank.

The premises were acquired by the Carroll Group in 1989 for a reputed £11m but were sold on to present owner Castlewood in 1995 for just £5m.

The upper floors have other commercial tenants, including accountants Deloitte, but it is not clear yet what use the bank space will now be put to.

Mr Hudson added: "We will be working hard with our landlords, property agents and the local authority to find the best solution for the branches we are leaving behind."

tonymcdonough@dailypost.co.uk

[Paul D]

Grosvenor, developing the £920m Paradise Street Project, wants to build an 11-storey building housing a 226-bed luxury hotel and 47 apartments alongside Chavasse Park. The scheme has been inspired by the famous Royal Crescent in Bath.

This also got approved yesterday.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Kev]

The man behind the Liverpool One development talks exclusively to the BBC about how the project is progressing.


"I guarantee it will be ready" Duke of Westminster

Read the interview here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2006/10/06/duke_westminster_feature.shtml).

[Kev]

14th October

2006:

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[Paul D]

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6742/psdalo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Wow,I'm seriously getting excited now.:celb (23):

[Kev]

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6742/psdalo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Wow,I'm seriously getting excited now.:celb

(23):

Look's very nice, is that the dock with the water in?

[Louis]

looks brilliant, new liverpool:celb (23):

[Kev]

See they've retained original features of the old park, the sandy colored path!! :PDT_Xtremez_12:

[lindylou]

Wow ! This is fantastic. :)

[Paul D]

Look's very nice, is that the dock with the water in?


It's just a water feature I think.

[Max]

14th October

2006:

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How did you get onto the building grounds?

[Kev]

http://www.icpuzzles.co.uk/aerial/slides/jr161006Grosvenor-9.jpg (http://www.icpuzzles.co.uk/aerial/slides/jr161006Grosvenor-9.jpg)


nhuge huge huge!!!

[Paul D]

Landmark building given go-ahead


PLANS

for a building on the Paradise Street development were passed yesterday by the city council.

Grosvenor wants to create a curved apartment block on

Strand Street, ranging in height from five storeys to 17. (cesar pelli)

The glazed building design went before the planning committee in April, but

was revised after advice from English Heritage.

The tower was originally supposed to be 20 storeys high, but was reduced by three because of concerns

over its impact on the World Heritage Site. Two park side terraces have now also been included.

Grosvenor must start work on the scheme within three

years. :celb (23):

[Paul D]

Grosvenor must start work on the scheme within three years

More bad

journalism there are meant to have everything finished by 2008.:rolleyes:

[Paul D]

Liverpool to get its first ever Hilton Hotel




LIVERPOOL is to get its first ever Hilton Hotel, as part of the £920m regeneration of Paradise Street.

The world-famous group this afternoon

confirmed that it is to open a hotel in a new crescent-shaped block in Canning Place, opposite the Albert Dock. The hotel will be managed by Hilton and will

open in 2008, during the city's year as European Capital of Culture.

Howard Friedman, Hilton's Area President for the UK and Ireland said this

afternoon: "This is Hilton's first hotel in Liverpool, one of the UK's fastest growing and dynamic cities.

"The signing of the agreement marks yet

another significant step forward for Hilton's development throughout the UK and Ireland, and we are delighted to be part of Liverpool's exciting

future."

The hotel, which will feature 216 guest rooms over eight floors, ten Hilton Meetings rooms, a ball room, restaurant and a LivingWell Express,

will be part of Liverpool One - one of the biggest mixed use developments in Europe.

The hotel will be situated on the historic site of the world's

first commercial dock, adjacent to an elevated park that overlooks the River Mersey, one of the development's five individually designed retail and leisure

districts.


Grosvenor's Ed Skeates, commented: "Hilton is the perfect brand to act as the full service hotel provider for Liverpool One, and we

are delighted that the development has been chosen as the location for its first hotel in Liverpool City Centre."

More great news for

PSD.:celb (6):

[Kev]

Well,

the rumours of a Hilton confirmed at last!!

[Harry]

Once again, floors knocked off. Nonsense.
I can't see what difference it makes. If you're standing next to a large building, you can't tell if its got

17 or 170 floors.
If you miles away, you can't see the world heritage area anyway so it doesn't matter.
Its just another bullsh*t excuse to hold

Liverpool back and its wearing thin.

[AK1]

Once again, floors

knocked off. Nonsense.
I can't see what difference it makes. If you're standing next to a large building, you can't tell if its got 17 or 170

floors.
If you miles away, you can't see the world heritage area anyway so it doesn't matter.
Its just another bullsh*t excuse to hold Liverpool back

and its wearing thin.

There we go with the negativity again. As you said, it doesn't matter how many floors it has when you are standing next

to it, therefore it doesn't matter that they have taken a few floors off it, does it! You are contradicting yourself!! Plus not all buildings have to be

tall and I don't see how taking 3 floors off a building is holding Liverpool back. Some of the best buildings in the world are less than 20 storeys.

[Paul D]

It's a World class

building by a World class architect it's going to be stunning whatever way you look at it.

[Max]

http://www.icpuzzles.co.uk/aerial/slides/jr161006Grosvenor-9.j

pg (http://www.icpuzzles.co.uk/aerial/slides/jr161006Grosvenor-9.jpg)

huge huge huge!!!

I know I am.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[PhilipG]

It's great to see that part of the city comming together. But correct me if I am wrong, I was

on hanover Street the other day and I am sure I saw them pulling the back of the Bluecoat down. It was the back of a brown brick, georgian type building. I

was stood around the herbert Herbert building but I am unsure as to whether it was the Bluecoat or not?



Yes, you're right.
It

was part of the Bluecoat building that came down.
Most of what was demolished was a block built after the last war, which was destroyed by bombing.


However, it does look like some of the older building has gone, as well.
Interesting, that in a 7-page thread, the Bluecoat is only mentioned once.

[Harry]

AK1.
Yes, it does matter that they've knocked floors off because I won't be standing right next to it and I won't be able to see it from where I live

whereas if it was taller I might.
I want to see a proper city skyline, not that of Slough or Surbiton.
Liverpool is not here just to supply Wirral with

a nice view, the rest of us in the city want one too.
I've every right to be negative with the sh*t that we put up with with regeneration in OUR city.

[Kev]

We lucky to be in the position of being able to discuss issues like this. I

remember growing up with nothin but waste land here and there. We just accepted it all as that was the way it is/was. How far we have come eh? :)

[scouserdave]

I'm sure this tall building thingy is related to penis envy.
Cracking photie Kev!:eek:

[PhilipG]

We lucky to be in the position of being able to discuss issues like this. I remember

growing up with nothin but waste land here and there. We just accepted it all as that was the way it is/was. How far we have come eh?

:)

Here's a reminder.
All it says on the back of this photo is "Seel Street, 1960", so I can't credit the unknown photographer.
But I

can name all the cars, except for the one on the left of the Ford Popular.

[scouserdave]

Fantastic photos Phil.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[snappel]

I love old photos like that. Anyone got any more of the Seel Street area from that era?

[AK1]

AK1.
Yes, it does

matter that they've knocked floors off because I won't be standing right next to it and I won't be able to see it from where I live whereas if it was

taller I might.
I want to see a proper city skyline, not that of Slough or Surbiton.
Liverpool is not here just to supply Wirral with a nice view, the

rest of us in the city want one too.
I've every right to be negative with the sh*t that we put up with with regeneration in OUR city.

So

what you are saying is that everyone in Liverpool should be able to see these buildings which in turn will make it great. What a load of S--t. Firstly alot

of people won't want to see a really tall building from their house, secondly, incase you didn't know, Liverpool is built on a hill therefore people living

in areas such as west derby and croxteth will never be able to see any tall building in the city centre and finally, just because a building is tall doesn't

mean it is great, for example, the World Trade Center buildings where tall but visualy unimpressive and poorly built.

[Waterways]

So what you are saying is that everyone in Liverpool should be able to see these buildings

which in turn will make it great. What a load of S--t. Firstly alot of people won't want to see a really tall building from their house, secondly, incase

you didn't know, Liverpool is built on a hill therefore people living in areas such as west derby and croxteth will never be able to see any tall building

in the city centre and finally, just because a building is tall doesn't mean it is great, for example, the World Trade Center buildings where tall but

visualy unimpressive and poorly built.

On these skyscraper sites the loonies there drool on about how tall this is and that is, and what a

skyline. Paris has few talls, yet what a city!!!

Croydon has a number of talls in a cluster - not one is of any merit at all. The same with most of

Birmingham and Manchester. Birmingham has one iconic building of any type and Manchester none. Most of the talls are from identikit skyscraper boxes. Very

third world

People in a city see it from the ground and what is offered to them on the ground.

Tall buildings have their place. They have to be

quality as they are so prominent.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

On these skyscraper sites the loonies there drool on about how tall this is and that is, and what a skyline. Paris has few talls, yet what a city!!!

Croydon has a number of talls in a cluster - not one is of any merit at all. The same with most of Birmingham and Manchester. Birmingham has one iconic building of any type and Manchester none. Most of the talls are from identikit skyscraper boxes. Very third world

People in a city see it from the ground and what is offered to them on the ground.

Tall buildings have their place. They have to be quality as they are so prominent.

...true enough. Think Rome, think Berlin. Though, to be fair, in the Paris example the La Defense district is visually at least a highly impressive counterpoint.

As for talls in general, I think we're conditioned to hope that someone is going to recreate the iconic clusters and buildings of Manhatten..It would be nice, of course but economics are different now, 'design' is subserviant to function and 'function' in the context of creating an office blocks just aint that spectacular. And we're not washing around in billions of dollars like Hong Kong or Dubai.

Still, I get as excited about this crap as anyone else.

[Paul D]

When they see it, most people say: Wow!


TRENDY retailer American Apparel and noodle bar Wagamama are coming to Liverpool.

The latest signings to the £900m Paradise Street project also include Gourmet Burger Kitchen and Strada.


http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=when-they-see-it%2D-most-people-say%2D-wow%2D%26method=full%26objectid=18064388%26siteid= 50061-name_page.html

[shytalk]

Here's a reminder.
All it says on the back of this photo is "Seel Street, 1960", so I can't credit the unknown photographer.
But I can name all the cars, except for the one on the left of the Ford Popular.

It is an immediately pre WW2 or '46/7 Austin. They used the same body for the Austin 10 and 12 so it could be either.

[Waterways]

It is an immediately pre WW2 or '46/7 Austin. They used the same body for the Austin 10 and 12 so it could be either.

Emva Cream. I haven't heard of that for ages. Dubonnet was pushed a lot in those days. As was Martini. Martini is not advertised as much these days, but still around a lot.

[AK1]

...true enough. Think Rome, think Berlin. Though, to be fair, in the Paris example the La Defense district is visually at least a highly impressive counterpoint.

As for talls in general, I think we're conditioned to hope that someone is going to recreate the iconic clusters and buildings of Manhatten..It would be nice, of course but economics are different now, 'design' is subserviant to function and 'function' in the context of creating an office blocks just aint that spectacular. And we're not washing around in billions of dollars like Hong Kong or Dubai.

Still, I get as excited about this crap as anyone else.

I can't stand places like hong kong and dubai. They are completely false and completely unfair places. The money is concentrated in the centres and the suburbs are full of third world poverty. It is the same with shanghai. Other countries including ourselves could do this but we have true democracies with morals and very little corruption.

[PhilipG]

It is an immediately pre WW2 or '46/7 Austin. They used the same body for the Austin 10 and 12 so it could be either.

Thank you, Shytalk.
I also have to admit that I'm not sure what your car is (but I'm going to blame it on the size of the avatar. :) )

[Kev]

Hows about a Yo! Scouse bar selling scouse by the bucketload :)

[shytalk]

Thank you, Shytalk.
I also have to admit that I'm not sure what your car is (but I'm going to blame it on the size of the avatar. :) )


That pic was taken with a box camera about 1956, I found it recently, cracked faded and stained, a friend of my wifes restored it. The car was my first one, I was 17 in the pic. It was a 1937 Ford Y model. It was taken in Maryland St. which is parallel to Hardman St. I worked for Blakes the Ford main dealer at that time.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/sc0use/37_y_modelbyKerma2.jpg

[PhilipG]

That pic was taken with a box camera about 1956, I found it recently, cracked faded and stained, a friend of my wifes restored it. The car was my first one, I was 17 in the pic. It was a 1937 Ford Y model. It was taken in Maryland St. which is parallel to Hardman St. I worked for Blakes the Ford main dealer at that time.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/sc0use/37_y_modelbyKerma2.jpg

Blakes in Hardman Street is a pub now.
Likewise their premises in Rodney Street.
I was a car spotter in the late 1950s and 1960s.
I still have my Observer Books of Automobiles.
The Ford Consul, based on the Ford Thunderbird, was my favourite car.
The Zodiac was a bit too flashy, I thought, but the same bodyshell.

[shytalk]

They didn't have premises in Rodney St., do you mean the'Safety Lane' depot that fronted onto Brownlow Hill?, That was a huge repair and storage shop named for the lane that ran through the middle of it.

[PhilipG]

They didn't have premises in Rodney St., do you mean the'Safety Lane' depot that fronted onto Brownlow Hill?, That was a huge repair and storage shop named for the lane that ran through the middle of it.

I'm sorry about that.
I meant Hope Street, next door to the Philharmonic Pub.
Was that the same premises as Hardman Street?

[scouserdave]

I love old photos like that. Anyone got any more of the Seel Street area from that era?
The best two 1960s Liverpool piccie websites are Brian's http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/brian/index.html and Liz's http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/oldhambros/archive.htm:PDT_Piratz_26:

[PhilipG]

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/292602100/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/113/292602100_726ae20bfa_o.jpg" width="600" height="800" alt="PB081314" /></a>

http://static.flickr.com/113/292602100_726ae20bfa_o.jpg

I've been trying to post three pics, but I'm fed up not having any luck.
Please follow this link where all will be revealed. :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/292602100/

[shytalk]

I'm sorry about that.
I meant Hope Street, next door to the Philharmonic Pub.
Was that the same premises as Hardman Street?

Yes, the workshops were at the back of the bulding and in the 1st floor and the paint/body shop was on the top floor. The entrance you mean was the reception and lubrication bay. A company called 'White Cable' occupied 2nd and 3rd floors, they were wholesale paper dealers

[The Teardrop Explodes]

Does that Herberts look better in real-life Phil?

I seem to remember the artists impressions giving the building rather better proportions than are apparent from the photo. The photo makes the building's design features seem a bit half-arsed.

[PhilipG]

Does that Herberts look better in real-life Phil?

I seem to remember the artists impressions giving the building rather better proportions than are apparent from the photo. The photo makes the building's design features seem a bit half-arsed.

I'm not keen on it.
It is gimmicky and pretty bulky (and I think pretty is as good a work as any).
And the gold just looks like flimsy aluminium.
But I do like the BBC Merseyside building.

[Max]

Herbert's as usual looks tacky.:PDT_Xtremez_12:

[Paul D]

http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/7443/ccb44b3cd09882ba80cd489ws3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Liverpool 1 is going to do so much towards changing people's perseptions towards this city.

[Waterways]

http://img316.imageshack.us/img316/7443/ccb44b3cd09882ba80cd489ws3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Liverpool 1 is going to do so much towards changing people's perseptions towards this city.

It is also in the right location right near the dock water spaces, bringing the centre of the city nearer and maybe onto the water spaces.

[Paul D]

It is also in the right location right near the dock water spaces, bringing the centre of the city nearer and maybe onto the water spaces.

That's definitely the appeal of it for me too.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

we can't let it all just stop at the city centre/docks though can we?

The reinvention of Liverpool is rightfully seen as a top-down process i.e.

Phase 1: Bulk out the city centre connecting it to a bulked out waterfront.
This is the single most economic driver to provide jobs, staunch the depopulation etc etc. Hopefully we can put a tick against that one. I for one can't wait to see the plans for the Central Docks and the Baltic.

NEXT however has to be a Phase 2 (made possble by the success of Phase 1), and that is to reignite the Districts, alleviate this ring of poverty which surrounds the centre and mars all the city centre approaches. So:

Phase 2: Great Howie St, Scottie, London Rd, Wavertree Rd, Smithdown/Parly, Prinnie Avenue, Parky and the districts Vauxhall, Everton, Kennie, Tocky, Dingle..all become enriched, reinvigorated, repopulated by the economic spur provided by the success of Phase1, and these districts become a kind of Greater City Centre each with their own separate and distinct thriving centres of activity and attractions.
Again we can put a provisional tick against the fact that some of this is already being ennacted ie New Anfield proposed regeneration of that area and the Edge Lane/Kennie redevelopement.

.................................................. ..................................................

We're at the start of a very exciting journey. We are in effect attempting to 'build' a new city in a way. It's on that scale. As such it's only when we see those changes happening in Phase 2 (and then beyond) can we really say that we were successful or not.
As far as the actual welfare of the people of this city is concerned Phase 2 is the real objective.

[Harry]

Scouserdave.
My love of tall buildings is nothing to do with penis envy.
My ****'s the biggest on this forum and it works fine.
AK1.
If I want height, why shouldn't I get it?
I have as much right to input on this city as anyone.
As for that list of European cities, they all have many taller buildings than Liverpool has.
You wont find much of our 1 & 2 storey crap there though.

[Waterways]

we can't let it all just stop at the city centre/docks though can we?

The reinvention of Liverpool is rightfully seen as a top-down process i.e.

Phase 1: Bulk out the city centre connecting it to a bulked out waterfront.
This is the single most economic driver to provide jobs, staunch the depopulation etc etc. Hopefully we can put a tick against that one. I for one can't wait to see the plans for the Central Docks and the Baltic.


The centre moving onto the waterspaces, as opposed to "waterfront" (this is a term used by sharks to justify filling in docks and face buildings towards the river).

The Dock Rd has to be broken up. The Strand can become a Ramblas as in Barcelona instead of windswept urban throughway for cars. Improving the rail infrastructure by using the Dingle station and the Wapping and Waterloo tunnels will negate car usage to the centre. Throughways should curve around the centre, not through it.

The Central Docks plans I see problems. Peel will want to keep the partially in-filled Trafalgar Dock fully filled and want, if not initially, the in-filling of West Waterloo Dock. They have no intention of restoring the docks to full deep water capability - the historic ships at Birkenhead need a new home and these would have been ideal.

There are moves to get these docks into the full WHS zone and get them fully excavated. Go to Google Earth and look at the satellite picture. The outline of the original Clarence Dock (the first dock with a half-tide dock and had spring loaded non-return lock gates) can be seen - the angles quays are clear) even after Clarence docks power station was built and now demolished. The outline of Trafalgar and Victoria Docks are still there complete with granite quays. There is no reason why these historic water spaces can't be excavated and inventive buildings built around the quays.



NEXT however has to be a Phase 2 (made possible by the success of Phase 1), and that is to reignite the Districts, alleviate this ring of poverty which surrounds the centre and mars all the city centre approaches. So:

Phase 2: Great Howie St, Scottie, London Rd, Wavertree Rd, Smithdown/Parly, Prinnie Avenue, Parky and the districts Vauxhall, Everton, Kennie, Tocky, Dingle..all become enriched, reinvigorated, repopulated by the economic spur provided by the success of Phase1, and these districts become a kind of Greater City Centre each with their own separate and distinct thriving centres of activity and attractions.


The problem is that much of the south and north end of the city adjacent docks areas are just glorified council estates - and full of far too many "scallies". Canal boaters require an escort on the Leeds-Liverpool canal from Maghull to Stanley Dock, as they are stoned along the Liverpool stretch. Liverpool also has to work hard on its people problems.

To make it a success and attract the middle classes back into the centre, these areas have to be broken up somewhat and private developments introduced. Bringing the Dingle underground rail station back on line would be a great step to regenerate that area and attract private developments around the station - fast transit to the centre and beyond - and to the airport (well sort of if that useless Parkway is regarded as the airport). A similar thing could be done around Merseyrail stations in the north end too. Make the stations the centre of the district as in London.



Again we can put a provisional tick against the fact that some of this is already being ennacted ie New Anfield proposed regeneration of that area and the Edge Lane/Kennie redevelopement.


Do dot be fooled by hype that a footie stadium will regenerate Anfield. It will do little if nothing. There will an initial investment, but it is unlikely it will maintain growth of any significance. There has been two large stadia in the area for 114 years and they have done little for the areas - in fact the reverse.



We're at the start of a very exciting journey. We are in effect attempting to 'build' a new city in a way. It's on that scale. As such it's only when we see those changes happening in Phase 2 (and then beyond) can we really say that we were successful or not.
As far as the actual welfare of the people of this city is concerned Phase 2 is the real objective.


Look at http://www.saveliverpooldocks.co.uk The canal link page

[Waterways]

Scouserdave.
My love of tall buildings is nothing to do with penis envy.
My ****'s the biggest on this forum and it works fine.
AK1.
If I want height, why shouldn't I get it?
I have as much right to input on this city as anyone.
As for that list of European cities, they all have many taller buildings than Liverpool has.
You wont find much of our 1 & 2 storey crap there though.

Talls buildings for tall sake is not a good thing. Tall and quality and where it should be tall then fine. In fact much of Liverpool can be talls off the dock water spaces lined up on the hills. A tall or two at Dingle with the underground station beneath? Croydon has a high rise cluster and not one is of any note whatsoever. Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham are building bland, boring off-the-shelf designs - there is an apendix in the instructions that tells you how to calculate the footings and what colour glass to choose and list of the parts and where to buy them.

[Harry]

Waterways, you're right about the footprint of a building affecting its height but this works both ways.
The Cesar Pelli building in the PDSA has lost 3 floors which, besides massively reducing a developers potential value from the site, makes the reduced finished article appear stumpy and misshapen and consequently has a far worse effect on its neighbours than the original plan would have. This factor is never taken into account by those who think they are protecting the city by introducing height restrictions.

[Waterways]

Waterways, you're right about the footprint of a building affecting its height but this works both ways.
The Cesar Pelli building in the PDSA has lost 3 floors which, besides massively reducing a developers potential value from the site, makes the reduced finished article appear stumpy and misshapen and consequently has a far worse effect on its neighbours than the original plan would have. This factor is never taken into account by those who think they are protecting the city by introducing height restrictions.

Unfortunately if you want tall then it is outside the WHS and buffer zone. By the end of the week we will know if Brunswick Quay Tower has the go ahead. If this goes up expect more talls down that end of the Docks. Harrington and Toxteth Docks are rife for talls and excavation.

[scouserdave]

Nice views from the Q-Park Car Park roof.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/qpsd001.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/qpsd002.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/qpsd003.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/qpsd004.jpg

[dups45]

anybody got any recent pics of L1? And does anyone have detailed pics of the model, im interested in the buildings that are going to form the opposite side of paradise street to john lewis all the way along back to macdonalds

[Kev]

Here's the thread (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1182) but it hasn't budged since a few months ago.

http://static.flickr.com/110/310913756_93f4cea5c6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/310913756)

[Paul D]

http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/7926/psda04xq2.jpg


http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5127/psda03ja6.jpg


http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/1379/psda01qp4.jpg


http://img277.imageshack.us/img277/3256/psda02ql7.jpg

Here's a couple of latest renders off Bammy on SSC of how the new Chavasse park will look,what's that mysterious silver dome going to be?

[Kev]

they are nice, see a section of the the old dock is going to be there, complete with water

[Kev]

Chance to inspect Paradise project access plans (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=chance-to-inspect-paradise-project-access-plans-%26method=full%26objectid=18269240%26siteid=50061-name_page.html) - SHOPPERS are being invited to have alook at £1m plans to improve access to the new Paradise Street project once it opens for business.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

I am excited about this, we do need it, but I have to say it doesn't look too pretty to me. (What is that patch of pond for anyway??). We're not seeing inspired magical spaces being created here- which seems a shame.

I'm assuming it'll look a bit better when it's built but for this plot at least there's nothing there to add to the list of notable Liverpool buildings and nothing to attract a European daytripper who wouldn't have come anyway.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

... O.K. I'm being a bit picky here I know, just that renders 2 and 4 remind me of Brackley or Slough or somewhere.

Also that water feature seems a it lame to me, It would've been fantastic had it actually been a canal linking up with that strip of water in Central Village...which to repeat should also be a canal.

Chavasse park should turn out quite nice but how it'd tranform the whole site if it had something truly iconic on top of that hill you could go up....something like an Eiffel tower in other words...

[Paul D]

I know what you're saying but they're only renders remember,the finished article will be much better just have a little faith.Once developments like this are completed attitudes amongst the locals will start to change about Liverpool.

[PhilipG]

Have any views shown the Odeon multiplex?
Is it still going to be over a store on the old Bus Station site?

[PhilipG]

Chance to inspect Paradise project access plans (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=chance-to-inspect-paradise-project-access-plans-%26method=full%26objectid=18269240%26siteid=50061-name_page.html) - SHOPPERS are being invited to have alook at £1m plans to improve access to the new Paradise Street project once it opens for business.

Let's hope they sort it so that passengers will actually be able to get off the bus in the bus station, not be dumped off in Duke Street, which is what happened before the Hanover Street roadworks.

Now, of course, everybody is dumped off at Lewis's.

I remember when all buses went to the Pier Head!

[MissInformed]

I have never been to the new bus station, I think it is so inconvienient to get to. And seems so far from normal routes people walk to and from work.

An interesting and quite scary piece of info:
A girl I work with got a black cab into town yesterday and the driver told her his sons had to go to Manchester to find work as labourers cos of all 'the Polish immigrants' working on the Paradise Project... then, he said to my work mate he had joined the BNP because of this!!!! What the hell type of logic is that?
Then, he gave her a leaflet!!!
Not to mention she looks Spanish or Brazilian...
Imagine if she would have been a tourist, or a decision maker for something in the city!!!!:disgust:

[SteH]

I have never been to the new bus station, I think it is so inconvienient to get to. And seems so far from normal routes people walk to and from work.

An interesting and quite scary piece of info:
A girl I work with got a black cab into town yesterday and the driver told her his sons had to go to Manchester to find work as labourers cos of all 'the Polish immigrants' working on the Paradise Project... then, he said to my work mate he had joined the BNP because of this!!!! What the hell type of logic is that?
Then, he gave her a leaflet!!!
Not to mention she looks Spanish or Brazilian...
Imagine if she would have been a tourist, or a decision maker for something in the city!!!!:disgust:


Thats an absolute disgrace. The city council's guidance note for taxi license applicants states that drivers should "uphold the councils equal opportunities policy in respect of all groups regardless of sex, creed, race,colour, nationality or type of disability". I dont suppose your mate got the plate number?

[MissInformed]

no she didn't!
I think she was so taken aback by it, she couldnt wait to get outta the cab!

[AK1]

I have never been to the new bus station, I think it is so inconvienient to get to. And seems so far from normal routes people walk to and from work.

An interesting and quite scary piece of info:
A girl I work with got a black cab into town yesterday and the driver told her his sons had to go to Manchester to find work as labourers cos of all 'the Polish immigrants' working on the Paradise Project... then, he said to my work mate he had joined the BNP because of this!!!! What the hell type of logic is that?
Then, he gave her a leaflet!!!
Not to mention she looks Spanish or Brazilian...
Imagine if she would have been a tourist, or a decision maker for something in the city!!!!:disgust:

Thats just scaremongering. So what if there are loads of polish people working there, as long as they are good enough to do it, let them. It doesn't matter where they come from or what beliefs they have. They are obviously employing them because they are such good workers and they have to be paid the same as anyone else. I work in Manchester Airport and there are loads of Polish people there. So what! If they can do the job, give it to them wether they are black, white or bloody Polish. I hate racism and despise racists. Anyone who is racist in uneducated and naive!:disgust:

[twiz]

I can almost beat that.

The other day I got the bus from Sefton street (L8) to James street, its not very far, but it was a very entertaining bus ride. First of all the driver nearly drove straight past me, then suddenly noticed me, braked and stopped about 20 miles down the frickin road! Then we got to the pier head and he started to turn right, into the road which goes between the Port of Liverpool building and the Cunard building. Suddenly I hear a deafening car horn beeping, which kept on going for about 10-15 seconds because the bus was cutting off a car and nearly causing a crash, the bus driver was hanging out of the window showing off how his middle finger looked and shouting abuse. I thought OK, not too bad, the horn was annoying after all.

Then he lets the car go though before him, and speeds after him, tailgating at a distance which must have only been a few feet, mumbling abuse to himself. Then we come up to some traffic lights, we pull up along side the car and he opens the doors and tries to get the car driver to come aboard for a fight. He was there for 20 odd seconds shouting phrases such as 'come on then ****head, i'll break yer ****in testicles' etc. After what seemed like a lifetime the lights went green.

I didnt say thankyou when I got off.

:eek:

[PhilipG]

Lovely story.

It always make me smile when people thank the driver after he's thrown them all over the bus.
Especially after the long slooow trek down Renshaw Street to Lewis's when the driver practises putting the brakes on each minute or so, so each standing passenger crashes into the one in front!

"Thank you, driver".

[Waterways]

Lovely story.

It always make me smile when people thank the driver after he's thrown them all over the bus.
Especially after the long slooow trek down Renshaw Street to Lewis's when the driver practises putting the brakes on each minute or so, so each standing passenger crashes into the one in front!

"Thank you, driver".

I had a go at a driver for that once. They are trained not to do it. I also wrote a letter to his employers because of his couldn't care less attitude. They wrote back saying the would investigate and I heard nothing else.

[Waterways]

Thats just scaremongering. So what if there are loads of polish people working there, as long as they are good enough to do it, let them. It doesn't matter where they come from or what beliefs they have. They are obviously employing them because they are such good workers and they have to be paid the same as anyone else.


They are. They are cheap. The man has a point. Local labour should be hired first.



I work in Manchester Airport and there are loads of Polish people there. So what! If they can do the job, give it to them wether they are black, white or bloody Polish. I hate racism and despise racists. Anyone who is racist in uneducated and naive!:disgust:


I hate racism and I hate locals being discriminated against too - in their own city.

[lindylou]

Thats just scaremongering. So what if there are loads of polish people working there, as long as they are good enough to do it, let them. It doesn't matter where they come from or what beliefs they have. They are obviously employing them because they are such good workers and they have to be paid the same as anyone else. I work in Manchester Airport and there are loads of Polish people there. So what! If they can do the job, give it to them wether they are black, white or bloody Polish. I hate racism and despise racists. Anyone who is racist in uneducated and naive!:disgust:

Well said.

I despise racism too. Racists are uneducated or just plain ignorant people.

[lindylou]

Listening to the morning news about the governments plans to make long-term unemployed find work or cut benefits. They were are talking about hard- core long term unemployed who refuse to find work and milk the system.

Some say that the work is not there .. and yet in the next breath people are complaining about immigrants taking the jobs !!

Well, which is it ?? There are jobs or are not jobs out there ??

There must be jobs then if foreigners are 'taking' them ??

[snappel]

I think the general opinion is that the jobs are there, but British people aren't bothering to look for them or take them. I think they're saying that if Polish people can come here and get jobs, why can't unemployed British people do it?

I'm sure there are lots of people who try and find work but don't have much luck - fair enough - but I'm sure there are plenty who have no intention of finding a job and enjoy freeloading off the system. I think the benefits system is good for those who genuinely need it (I claimed JS allowance myself for a couple of weeks whilst between full-time education and full-time employment), but some people can't be bothered with working and are happy living off benefits instead.

[AK1]

They are. They are cheap. The man has a point. Local labour should be hired first.



I hate racism and I hate locals being discriminated against too - in their own city.

If they live in this country, I see them as local people. Just because they are from another country doesn't meen they should be treated differently. You are basically saying that jobs should go to locally born people first, even if they aren't as capable as people from other countries. The fact is, alot of Liverpool born people have backgrounds from other countries, so where do you draw the line? You are being naive! It's your kind of attitude that causes devision in this world. People are just people, if they abide by the law and are decent people, then they can live and work where they want as far as I am concerned. We are all human beings and we need to get on with eachother.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

The Goverment of this country has a duty of care towards those people who elected them to best safeguard their interests, the people whose taxes pay for the workings of said Government.
In this way a responsible Government is like a gatekeeper to say a large house. This house has x amount of people and finite resources which must be carefully managed and safeguarded to ensure the interests of the house.

Except we don't live in a country in which it's possible to have a reponsible Government and said Government's business friends are getting fat off labour savings and hang the jobs and wages of those people who actually voted them in.

The poor 'get it' first of course.

[AK1]

I think the general opinion is that the jobs are there, but British people aren't bothering to look for them or take them. I think they're saying that if Polish people can come here and get jobs, why can't unemployed British people do it?

I'm sure there are lots of people who try and find work but don't have much luck - fair enough - but I'm sure there are plenty who have no intention of finding a job and enjoy freeloading off the system. I think the benefits system is good for those who genuinely need it (I claimed JS allowance myself for a couple of weeks whilst between full-time education and full-time employment), but some people can't be bothered with working and are happy living off benefits instead.

Agreed! Alot of immigrants do the jobs that British people don't want to do. There are plenty of jobs out there, so what if a Polish person is employed instead of you. If they can do the job, let them. I dont give a s##t where they are from. Where do you draw the line, if a Manc wants a job here, do you refuse them because they're not a scouser? Do you stop a cockney or a scot or a duchman or a romanian etc etc Get my point? Why can't we all just get on? This planet would be so much better if we did!:) :)

[The Teardrop Explodes]

"The Poles do the jobs the British don't want to do"

When dumb cliche's take hold they really take hold don't they? Surprised you didn't mention how "lazy" the white working class are too. Or how they invented AIDS. Or how they eat their kids. Why not?

Since when were the British middle-class qualified to surmise, less so JUDGE what the long-suffering working-class do or don't want to so?? They already dictate what they actually CAN or can't do, how much more sway do they want ffs?

The truth is AL1 I never met anyone who didn't want to better themselves
but it's your thoughtless reciting of these Murdoch/ Talksport/ Mail cliches which consign vast swathes of our city's population to the dumper.

Let's get some FACTS down shall we?
1. "The Poles do the jobs the British middle-class don't want to do."
2. "The Poles do the jobs that the Britsh working-class would like to do if the wages were at a rate so that they could AFFORD to do them. The indigenous people do NOT having the option of staying for only 8 months, living 15 to a room and sending the £24.29 back, tax-free mind, to some slum homeland where it becomes enough to buy a soddin house."

Always make a quick-buck. Always seek to exploit. Always blame the workers. AL1 your position has powerful friends.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

..and no offence meant at all AL1, don't mean to sound dismissive, it's just that there's a much bigger picture here I think you're missing. The plight our city's people (and yes I do mean those who are born and brought up here) matter more to me than amassing well intentioned but damaging brownie-points.

[lindylou]

If they live in this country, I see them as local people. Just because they are from another country doesn't meen they should be treated differently. You are basically saying that jobs should go to locally born people first, even if they aren't as capable as people from other countries. The fact is, alot of Liverpool born people have backgrounds from other countries, so where do you draw the line? You are being naive! It's your kind of attitude that causes devision in this world. People are just people, if they abide by the law and are decent people, then they can live and work where they want as far as I am concerned. We are all human beings and we need to get on with eachother.

I'm on the same wave length as you AK1. I could have written that myself!

Yes, lots of Liverpool born people have backgrounds from other countries - and other places in UK.
As you say - where do you draw the line ??

If people are decent and law abiding I don't care where they come from.

People are just people - I always say that AK1. We all basically want the same thing, ie; a half decent life, reasonable health and wealth, our loved ones around us, and a bit of peace hopefully!

I can't understand this division that some people insist on. Why oh why will people never get on !??

(The only people I would love to be divided form is the scumbag, crimeridden low life crawling around our neighbourhoods):disgust:

[lindylou]

Teardrop ... by the way ... although I did say that basically we are all wanting the same thing - blah, blah, I'm talking about people with a bit of initiative and a bit of ambition - people who want to make the best of what they have in life's lottery .... but there are SOME who do not want to be bothered bettering themselves or their situation. You say that you never met anyone like this.

I Have. More than once too.


ps,

Who drifted us off thread with this one ?? :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

[AK1]

Teardrop ... by the way ... although I did say that basically we are all wanting the same thing - blah, blah, I'm talking about people with a bit of initiative and a bit of ambition - people who want to make the best of what they have in life's lottery .... but there are SOME who do not want to be bothered bettering themselves or their situation. You say that you never met anyone like this.

I Have. More than once too.


ps,

Who drifted us off thread with this one ?? :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

Exactly what I was trying to say.

[Paul D]

Here's a couple of updated renders of the new John Lewis and Debenhams.

http://www.liverpoolpsda.co.uk/ProjectDetails/Site+Images.htm

[Kev]

Some pics from this evening - 6th Feb 07:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/381986509_e480f4aa7f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/381986509/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/381986322_313d78dfc7.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/381986322/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/381986441_832b65e579.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/381986441/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/381986246_d274e00e1d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/381986246/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/381986138_e9a01cad06.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/381986138/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/381985906_8388e5344e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/381985906/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/381985651_5ba788606a.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/381985651/)

[A.D.W]

Fine pictures and coming along nicely, Kev.

:celb (6):

[Libertarian]

I can almost beat that.

The other day I got the bus from Sefton street (L8) to James street, its not very far, but it was a very entertaining bus ride. First of all the driver nearly drove straight past me, then suddenly noticed me, braked and stopped about 20 miles down the frickin road! Then we got to the pier head and he started to turn right, into the road which goes between the Port of Liverpool building and the Cunard building. Suddenly I hear a deafening car horn beeping, which kept on going for about 10-15 seconds because the bus was cutting off a car and nearly causing a crash, the bus driver was hanging out of the window showing off how his middle finger looked and shouting abuse. I thought OK, not too bad, the horn was annoying after all.

Then he lets the car go though before him, and speeds after him, tailgating at a distance which must have only been a few feet, mumbling abuse to himself. Then we come up to some traffic lights, we pull up along side the car and he opens the doors and tries to get the car driver to come aboard for a fight. He was there for 20 odd seconds shouting phrases such as 'come on then ****head, i'll break yer ****in testicles' etc. After what seemed like a lifetime the lights went green.

I didnt say thankyou when I got off.

:eek:

Complain to the bus company and have him sacked. Liverpoolis European City of Culture next year and in some areas of the service sector neanderthal attitudes still exist like that.

[Kev]

6th Feb 07

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/382064520_e7e0a0802a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/382064520/)

[Max]

When Is this going to be finished? Doesn't look close to It.

[AK1]

When Is this going to be finished? Doesn't look close to It.

The shopping area is due for completion from early - mid 2008. The entire project, including the hotel and apartments is to be completed by late 2008 or early 2009.

[SteH]

The shopping area is due for completion from early - mid 2008. The entire project, including the hotel and apartments is to be completed by late 2008 or early 2009.

Acording to the website a 3 storey retail unit is being opened in Feb 07, is this the one that fronts Lord St? Also John Lewis and Debenhams are being handed over for fitting out in March and May respectively.

[Kev]

Taken today:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/392161515_cff54ed449_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/392161515/)

[Max]

The way most of the shops are moving already when It's not close to finishing.

[Kev]

LUXURY living colossus One Park West was officially launched last night at Tate Liverpool in a blaze of laser-lit glory.



One Park West will be made available in 10 phases, each involving around 30 apartments, the most expensive of which are expected to cost upwards of £400,000. It will overlook the new Chavasse Park and will offer 360-degree views.


Green lights were beamed onto Albert Dock buildings sketching out how the 17-storey city centre apartment development will look.

The first phase of apartments goes on sale at 10am this morning and investors will be asked to lay out a £1,000 deposit.

One Park West is part of Grosvenor’s £920m Liverpool One development.

Built from three cores, the building will house 326 apartments, with restaurants and offices on the lower levels. continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=champagne-launch-for-city%2D%2D8217%2Ds-newest-luxury-flats%26method=full%26objectid=18665519%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html).....

[iain]

Hi all,

At last I've made it onto the forum! Kev posted some pictures on my behalf ages ago and I said at the time I'd join but didn't get round to it.

I work in the police HQ and have done for a few years, so I've overlooked the Paradise Street development since it started, back in the days of all those holes appearing in Chavasse Park and all the old treasures beneath.

Yesterday I went on a tour of the site, down Paradise Street, over to the bottom of South John Street (there's a new street connecting them) and into the new John Lewis's building, which Grosvenor have just about finished with before they hand it over to John Lewis's for fitting out. Apparently they're going to have site tours every 4 weeks now.

Here's some pictures:

http://www.iainjones.org.uk/psda/5556.JPG
South John Street, with the new Debenhams at the far end. The white double doorway thing will be a pedestrian entrance to the underground carpark, the rest will be shops (two tier).

http://www.iainjones.org.uk/psda/5561.JPG
Looking out across what will be Chavasse Park. Right in the foreground will be a grand staircase rising from the water feature at "ground level" to the raised park. Over the other side, one of the cores of Cesar Pelli's tower is on the rise.

http://www.iainjones.org.uk/psda/5562.JPG
Inside John Lewis's, looking out to where Radio Merseyside used to be.

http://www.iainjones.org.uk/psda/5565.JPG
The two-tier South John Street. There'll be bridges across here, linking the upper tier. On the right-hand side, I think there's going to be a third level, linked across to the park on the left, with an open space for outdoor cafés and the like.

http://www.iainjones.org.uk/psda/5573.JPG
East of Paradise Street, where Radio Merseyside used to be. I think it's going to be mainly apartments on this side.

[Paul D]

Thanks for the additional information there Iain,this place is going to be brilliant when it's finished.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Kev]

Hi Iain, glad u got here eventually:PDT10, excellent pics many thanks. :handclap:

[Kev]

A FOUNTAIN within a fountain will be the eye-catching centre piece of Liverpool’s newest park. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=water-park-will-be-%2D%2D8216%2Doasis-of-calm%2D%2D8217%2D-in-paradise-site%26method=full%26objectid=18748491%26siteid=50 061-name_page.html)

[snappel]

I work in the police HQ and have done for a few yearsUh oh...

[ChrisGeorge]

Some pics from this evening - 6th Feb 07:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/381986138_e9a01cad06.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/381986138/)



Hi Kev

Great pics, Kev, Snappel, et al.

I believe this building with eagle or phoenix was a well known pub in Liverpool's "Sailortown" if I am not mistaken. Do we have any information on it in the pubs thread or elsewhere?

Thanks in advance.

Chris

[stan]

I thought all the old Georgian buildings were listed.

[Ged]

I used to drink in the Eagle on a bit of a crawl after work on a friday with some of the lads when I worked in Dale street, (early finish) very midful of having to make it to the Cleveland by the pox clinic for the stripper's half six slot.

[iain]

Uh oh...

Hehe - nothing to worry about, I'm just a mere civvy!

[iain]

A FOUNTAIN within a fountain will be the eye-catching centre piece of Liverpool’s newest park. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=water-park-will-be-%2D%2D8216%2Doasis-of-calm%2D%2D8217%2D-in-paradise-site%26method=full%26objectid=18748491%26siteid=50 061-name_page.html)

I've enjoyed watching the construction, but I'll sure be glad when Chavasse Park is back and I can go and sit there on those sunny afternoons! It was a bit tatty but I liked it, and by the crowds when the weather was good so did lots of other people. Imagine the new one all smartened up...

[scouserdave]

Looks like more construction work around Paradise St in 2008. Mate of mine sent me this link. (http://www.sharecast.com/cgi-bin/sharecast/story.cgi?story_id=1137467)

"Balfour Beatty said it has won design and build contracts worth £111m for privately-owned property group Grosvenor for the Paradise Project in Liverpool.

"This multi-use development, adjacent to Paradise Street in the heart of the city centre, will form a significant proportion of Grosvenor's 42-acre Liverpool redevelopment programme, which will be completed during the city's European Capital of Culture Year in 2008," the group explained in a company update.

The work will involve five Balfour Beatty companies, namely Balfour Beatty Construction, Mansell, Balfour Kilpatrick, Balfour Beatty Civil Engineering and Stent Foundations, it added."

[Ged]

Bah, I was believing that then Dave until you said 'mate of mine' :unibrow:

[Max]

Hi Kev

Great pics, Kev, Snappel, et al.

I believe this building with eagle or phoenix was a well known pub in Liverpool's "Sailortown" if I am not mistaken. Do we have any information on it in the pubs thread or elsewhere?

Thanks in advance.

Chris

I remember the bar was called Bar Zeus before It closed down and before It was bar Zeus was called the Q Bar.

[PhilipG]

I remember the bar was called Bar Zeus before It closed down and before It was bar Zeus was called the Q Bar.

That's right, Max, and, of course, it was originally called the Eagle.

[iain]

There's a Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradise_Project) on the Paradise Project but it was very basic, so I've added a bit more detail tonight, and will probably do some more over the next few days. Anyone care to contribute?

[Kev]

There's a Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paradise_Project) on the Paradise Project but it was very basic, so I've added a bit more detail tonight, and will probably do some more over the next few days. Anyone care to contribute?

Well done :PDT_Piratz_26:

[iain]

Cheers Kev - I've put a link to this forum too :unibrow:

[Kev]

Cheers Kev - I've put a link to this forum too :unibrow:

even better :PDT11

[Kev]

More than 60 of the apartments at One Park West, along Liverpool’s waterfront Strand, have already been sold. continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=underground-city-base-for-skyscraper-flats-sales-team%26method=full%26objectid=18777135%26siteid=50 061-name_page.html).....

[woody]

Liverpool One, Saturday 17 March 2007.............

http://http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9050/200703172007marchliverpmu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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[Kev]

^^Thanks mate^^ :PDT11

[Paul D]

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4483/updatedparkimagemarch07nv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[iain]

Thanks Paul, that's a fantastic picture, especially now you can see it all really taking shape

[Kev]

Did Snappel take that Paul? :PDT10 It looks so real, the wonders of modern technology eh!

[iain]

A huge red crane has gone up somewhere near where Radio Merseyside used to be. I'm guessing it's the big new apartment block but I had no idea it would be as tall as the crane's looking. Anyone know how many storeys it's having?

[PhilipG]

A huge red crane has gone up somewhere near where Radio Merseyside used to be. I'm guessing it's the big new apartment block but I had no idea it would be as tall as the crane's looking. Anyone know how many storeys it's having?

You can see it on the render above.
12 storeys, perhaps?

[woody]

You can see it on the render above.
12 storeys, perhaps?

I think it will be 10 storeys of apartments sitting on top of 3 storeys of shops. This is the crane ,on site 6.................


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[Kev]

^^Thanks Woody^^ :PDT11

[christy]

Great render! Nice to see actual building designs rather than just the massing blocks that have been shown for ages. Anyone know what the really large building is on Paradise street facing school lane? Looks like it is in the exact footpriint of one side of the old car park and bus station. Is this the Odeon, a shopping precinct or an individual shop?
Looking foreward to see what they do with the design of the bridge from the carpark to the John Lewis building. Great oppurtunity for something interesting like they did in Manchester from Marksies to the Arndale..

[Paul D]

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/1571/oneparkwestip0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9103/lifeintheparkex8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Franno posted these scans from the One Park West brochure,it looks simply stunning,one of my favourite building being built at the moment without doubt.

[ChrisGeorge]

It even has David and Victoria Beckham and family picnicking in front of it. :handclap:

[iain]

It looks nice but I can't help noticing it's lost a lot of its height - the tower sticking up by just 5 floors above the rest doesn't do it for me. Although park looks great.

Funny how the renders always show a nice sunny day. Wonder what it'll all look like on a typical Liverpool day :unibrow:

[Kev]

Funny how the renders always show a nice sunny day. Wonder what it'll all look like on a typical Liverpool day :unibrow:

Much sunnier than typical Manchester day :unibrow:

[iain]

I noticed a couple of days ago, there's a couple of concrete "ramps" going up onto the park from near the base of One Park West. I thought at first they'd be access ramps for the trucks and machinery, but now they look like they'll be the new pathways. It's all coming together nicely :celb (23):

[PhilipG]

Great render! Nice to see actual building designs rather than just the massing blocks that have been shown for ages. Anyone know what the really large building is on Paradise street facing school lane? Looks like it is in the exact footpriint of one side of the old car park and bus station. Is this the Odeon, a shopping precinct or an individual shop?
Looking foreward to see what they do with the design of the bridge from the carpark to the John Lewis building. Great oppurtunity for something interesting like they did in Manchester from Marksies to the Arndale..

Yes.
It'll have 14 screens and will occupy the upper 2 floors.
Can't remember exactly what the rest of the building will contain.

[Kev]

Grosvenor’s race against time to deliver its flagship Liverpool One shopping centre in time for mid-2008 has cost the company millions of pounds and sent the total cost to £1bn.

The developer has agreed to bankroll the deficit to the tune of £140m, £50m more than predicted by the company’s analysts just six months ago.

Grosvenor’s outgoing chairman, the Duke of Westminster, yesterday described the need to pour millions of pounds into the Paradise Street as “disappointing”.

But he said in the annual report that using the company’s own resources as a financial lifeline did not detract from his personal pride in the way Grosvenor had met the challenge of regenerating Liverpool. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=liverpool-one-costs-escalate-by-%2Dpound%2D140m%26method=full%26objectid=18897382% 26siteid=50061-name_page.html)

[Paul D]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8262/stanleybuildingoz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here's a picture of how the Stanley Building will look when it's finished.

http://www.liverpool-one.com/NR/rdonlyres/8F430582-333D-4366-BFBC-C90A0B74BF76/0/LiverpoolOneofficebrochure.pdf

[iain]

Looking good!

I had to explain to someone in work whats going on with the Stanley Building - he thought the scaffolding holding it all up was the frame for a new building, and the existing wall would be some sort of feature inside it :rolleyes:

Imaginative at least

[Paul D]

Here's how the new entrance linking Church Street into the Paradise Project will look,I can't wait to see this when it's finished.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7979/churchyardarcadegt0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[marky]

^ Whenever I see a render of how buildings are going to look I often look for grannies and black people...sure enough, that render doesn't contain any. (no offence intended it's just something I notice nearly all the time).

[PhilipG]

Point taken, Marky.

For a render, it looks just like a great photograph!
If the stonework doesn't get cleaned, the reality won't look anywhere near as good.

'Churchyard Arcade'?
Why not 'Woollie's Walk'?

[marky]

I used to use that as a short-cut when it was Woolies, to get to School Lane. There are probably better names connected with the church, rather than just boring Church Yard. There looks to be more windows than I remember...unless it's just I've never seen them all lit up at once.

[ayjaykay]

I used to use that as a short-cut when it was Woolies, to get to School Lane. There are probably better names connected with the church, rather than just boring Church Yard. There looks to be more windows than I remember...unless it's just I've never seen them all lit up at once.

No, those windows are all there already, it's just that they're not lit up and some are covered with blinds (see attachment).

[skgogosfan]

I wondered what exactly was going on in the old HMV building-it's going to look quite impressive when finished. Is there a basement to the HMV part of it,as the buildings each side have one and it seems odd that HMV never used it as far as I know.

Dave.