Wavertree - One of Liverpool's most historic areas, possibly dating back to the stone age. Flint arrow heads and burial urns have been found here. There used to be a lake, where the children's playground is now, they filled it in for a playground!! :neutral:

I'll start with the Wavertree Round House and Lock up. Once used as an over night lock up for drunks, used in 1832 as a mortuary for cholera victims.

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I got a picture of that too.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

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Have you got The Monks Well?

Picton Clock - A memorial to Sarah Pooley, wife of Sir James Allanson Piction, Liverpool's greatest historian and architect. Built in 1884.

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Have you got The Monks Well?

Wheres that?

Wheres that?

I think its by the playground on the corner of a rd around there. Picton Clock area.

Just up the hill from the playground, if you drive up Mill Lane you might miss it, walk up and you will see it. This is not the original site, it was moved years ago when the area was built up. You can get the full history from the Wavertee society site, it is a very interesting site and well worth a look.:celb (6):

http://www.wavertreesociety.org/

There's something in the grounds of St Mary's Walton church .. a monks well or a Saxon well - not sure, but very old! I did see it many years ago and it was covered by undergrowth then. Don't know what state it's in now.

Nice photos... I never realised just how much there was in Wavertree like this, and I did live there for a couple of years!!

I've lived here all my life.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

Kev my fellow Wavertreelite, wheres that well pic you had?

I still couldn't find it when I was out last week.

Wavertree Public Houses (soz if I've posted 'em before):

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I should of went to get updates around there but Instead I went to sleep!

The Monks' Well Wavertree - over 570 years old? The latin

inscription reads - 'He who does not give what he has, the Devil smiles below.' Tunnels are believd to have ran from it to Childwall and

Sandown.

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Taffy Quote:
Wavertree is a delightful area and is really much more than the historic High Street area. Did you know the original Wavertree township extended as far as Druid's Cross Rd? I only wish the whole of the High St street could have an aesthetic make over to remove much of the 20th C over enthusiastic use of garish paint and signs. Here are a few photos I took a couple of years ago including one of the now lost, due to vandalism, pillar box on Sandown Lane End Quote

Max quote When did Druid's Cross become part of Allerton? End Quote


Druids Cross Rd was never in Allerton and isn't today. The township boundary between Wavertree and Woolton runs down the middle of Druid's Cross Road. The Allerton boundary runs down the middle of Green Lane , then skirts along Calderstones Rd. There's even an old Council sign saying "Allerton" at the junction of Menlove Ave and Crompton's lane. Yes this sign is in the right place but then its been there many years. Interestingly there is a boundary stone marker in Green Lane, Mossley Hill marking the separation of Wavertree from Allerton

Isn't St Barnabas Mossley Hill?

This Is a Wavertree Topic.

Isn't St Barnabas Mossley Hill?

This Is a Wavertree Topic.

Mossley Hill is in Wavertree. Here's the Official Index from the Liverpool Register office for St Barnabas, Wavetree marriages:

Wavertree, St. Barnabas 1915 Liverpool 2076LP 1915-1957

The church opened in 1914 and the indexed records go up to 1957

Mossley Hill is in Wavertree. Here's the Official Index from the Liverpool Register office for St Barnabas, Wavetree marriages:

Wavertree, St. Barnabas 1915 Liverpool 2076LP 1915-1957

The church opened in 1914 and the indexed records go up to 1957

That doesn't make Mossley Hill a part of Wavertree! Each district has separate postcodes and a separate identity. I guess that's why one is called Mossley Hill and the other is called Wavertree!

Wavertree was the registration district then. i was born in Lee Park and my birth certificate says wavertree registry on it. its like Scotland road was under the West Derby district once, but only for registration.

That doesn't make Mossley Hill a part of Wavertree! Each district has separate postcodes and a separate identity. I guess that's why one is called Mossley Hill and the other is called Wavertree!

Wavertree runs right up to SS Matthew and James Church, Mossley Hill. have a look at the thread on boundary markers on this site. Post codes have nothing to do with districts and are simply for the delivery convenience of the Post Office. Not all L8 is Toxteth for example and indeed Wavertree is much more than L15.

It's like Waterways saying Mossley Hill and parts of Wavertree used to be Toxteth.:eek:

It's like Waterways saying Mossley Hill and parts of Wavertree used to be Toxteth.:eek:


Dear Max,

Mossley Hill is a legally undefined area spreading over parts of the townships of Garston, Wavertree, Toxteth Park and Allerton. The only legal attempt to define at least part of Mossley Hill was done by the Church of England in 1875 when it set out the parish boundaries for SS Matthew and James Church. These extended right down to Smithdown Rd and Wavertree Playground. The greater part of the SS Matthew and James Parish was therefore in Wavertree which came as far as the middle of Rose Lane. Its church school in Bridge Rd off Rose Lane was called SS Matthew and James School, Wavertree.

St Barnabas, Mossley Hill, Parish was carved out of SS Matthew and James Parish in 1900. Roughly half St Barnabas Parish is in Wavertree and half in Toxteth Park. With the development of Allerton Rd, Queen's Drive and Menlove Avenue, the post office called also this area Mossley Hill rather than the previous Wavertree but these areas of course still remained within the township of Wavertree's boundaries which extended as far as Druid's Cross Rd. There even used to be a Wavertree Girls' reformatory school in Druid's Cross Rd.

Up until about 15 years ago Dovedale Baptist Church, Mossley Hill was called Wavertree Baptist Church. Why because it was in Wavertree. This of course is just down the road from St Barnabas Church.

So St Barnabas really is in Wavertree despite the current erroneous beliefs that township boundaries equate to post codes which they clearly do not.

Incidentally, the Liverpool Echo is just as bad at this. They believe Earle Rd is in Wavertree. Why because everything that side of Smithdown Rd ought to be in Wavertree !! It reminds me of that famous Dr Who phrase " I deny this reality"

Hope this clears things up for you.

best wishes

Taffy

Dear Max,

Mossley Hill is a legally undefined area spreading over parts of the townships of Garston, Wavertree, Toxteth Park and Allerton. The only legal attempt to define at least part of Mossley Hill was done by the Church of England in 1875 when it set out the parish boundaries for SS Matthew and James Church. These extended right down to Smithdown Rd and Wavertree Playground. The greater part of the SS Matthew and James Parish was therefore in Wavertree which came as far as the middle of Rose Lane. Its church school in Bridge Rd off Rose Lane was called SS Matthew and James School, Wavertree.

St Barnabas, Mossley Hill, Parish was carved out of SS Matthew and James Parish in 1900. Roughly half St Barnabas Parish is in Wavertree and half in Toxteth Park. With the development of Allerton Rd, Queen's Drive and Menlove Avenue, the post office called also this area Mossley Hill rather than the previous Wavertree but these areas of course still remained within the township of Wavertree's boundaries which extended as far as Druid's Cross Rd. There even used to be a Wavertree Girls' reformatory school in Druid's Cross Rd.

Up until about 15 years ago Dovedale Baptist Church, Mossley Hill was called Wavertree Baptist Church. Why because it was in Wavertree. This of course is just down the road from St Barnabas Church.

So St Barnabas really is in Wavertree despite the current erroneous beliefs that township boundaries equate to post codes which they clearly do not.

Incidentally, the Liverpool Echo is just as bad at this. They believe Earle Rd is in Wavertree. Why because everything that side of Smithdown Rd ought to be in Wavertree !! It reminds me of that famous Dr Who phrase " I deny this reality"

Hope this clears things up for you.

best wishes

Taffy

Booo, why can't someone challenge me where the old parish of Childwall was and I'd give em every district up to and including Speke/Hale :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

Dear Max,

Mossley Hill is a legally undefined area spreading over parts of the townships of Garston, Wavertree, Toxteth Park and Allerton. The only legal attempt to define at least part of Mossley Hill was done by the Church of England in 1875 when it set out the parish boundaries for SS Matthew and James Church. These extended right down to Smithdown Rd and Wavertree Playground. The greater part of the SS Matthew and James Parish was therefore in Wavertree which came as far as the middle of Rose Lane. Its church school in Bridge Rd off Rose Lane was called SS Matthew and James School, Wavertree.

St Barnabas, Mossley Hill, Parish was carved out of SS Matthew and James Parish in 1900. Roughly half St Barnabas Parish is in Wavertree and half in Toxteth Park. With the development of Allerton Rd, Queen's Drive and Menlove Avenue, the post office called also this area Mossley Hill rather than the previous Wavertree but these areas of course still remained within the township of Wavertree's boundaries which extended as far as Druid's Cross Rd. There even used to be a Wavertree Girls' reformatory school in Druid's Cross Rd.

Up until about 15 years ago Dovedale Baptist Church, Mossley Hill was called Wavertree Baptist Church. Why because it was in Wavertree. This of course is just down the road from St Barnabas Church.

So St Barnabas really is in Wavertree despite the current erroneous beliefs that township boundaries equate to post codes which they clearly do not.

Incidentally, the Liverpool Echo is just as bad at this. They believe Earle Rd is in Wavertree. Why because everything that side of Smithdown Rd ought to be in Wavertree !! It reminds me of that famous Dr Who phrase " I deny this reality"

Hope this clears things up for you.

best wishes

Taffy

Hi Taffy

What you say makes a lot of sense. In fact, before SS Matthew and James Church, Mossley Hill, I should say that there was no Mossley Hill. That is, Mossley Hill is not one of the ancient land names as are Allerton, Wavertree and Aigburth. Mossley Hill in effect grew out of the growth of Liverpool's suburbs independent of, although of necessity part of, those ancient areas.

Chris

I guess it depends on your level of analysis. Parish boundaries do not map onto other boundaries or locals' sense of where an area starts/ends. Speaking as a resident of Aigburth who knows Mossley Hill well, I can assure you that no one who lives within the Mossley Hill area (seen as L18), regards themselves as being residents of of Wavertree (or Allerton or Aigburth for that matter), and I don't know anyone from Wavertree who regards Mossley Hill as a part of that district in 2007. Most people regard the Mossley Hill signs doted around L18 as denoting the area of Mossley Hill. If I can be bothered and have the time, I'll take them with my mobile and also snap the first one for Wavertree in that area at Smithdown Road.

Because of the great and much treasured Toxteth net website, lots of people, especially ex-pats, are confused about the boundaries of Toxteth and assume that Toxteth Park somehow has a meaningful existence in the minds of contemporary Liverpudlians. It doesn't. I have seen people on this website talking about Lark Lane being in Toxteth. It isn't. Toxteth does not extend into L17 and never has. Toxteth and Toxteth Park cannot be used interchangeably in a meaningful way to talk about contemporary Liverpool. You might as well talk about Liverpool as being a part of Walton or West Derby if you are going to go down that path!

Because of the great and much treasured Toxteth net website, lots of people, especially ex-pats, are confused about the boundaries of Toxteth and assume that Toxteth Park somehow has a meaningful existence in the minds of contemporary Liverpudlians. It doesn't. I have seen people on this website talking about Lark Lane being in Toxteth. It isn't. Toxteth does not extend into L17 and never has. Toxteth and Toxteth Park cannot be used interchangeably in a meaningful way to talk about contemporary Liverpool. You might as well talk about Liverpool as being a part of Walton or West Derby if you are going to go down that path!

Most of L17 is in Toxteth.
Toxteth Park covers from Parliament Street to Aigburth Vale/Otterspool.
The Lower Lodge was on the site of Otterspool Station.

Most of L17 is in Toxteth.
Toxteth Park covers from Parliament Street to Aigburth Vale/Otterspool.
The Lower Lodge was on the site of Otterspool Station.

What is your authority for that first statement? The first sign for Toxteth is at the bottom of Park Road next to the old railway station. ALL of L17 is south of this area. Most people who live in L17 say that they live in Aigburth. The area between Dingle Lane and Aigburth Vale is undefined as a district. People within this area, if they don't say they live in Aigburth usually say that they live near Aigburth Road/Lark Lane area/Sefton Park/St Michaels/Fulwood Park - wherever they are nearest to. I have never heard anyone from L17 say that they live in Toxteth. Why would they? They clearly don't. That's why the LCC boundary sign for Toxteth is at the bottom of Park Road and not Aigburth Vale!

Oooops - this is a thread about Wavertree, not anywhere else. Sorry

What is your authority for that first statement? The first sign for Toxteth is at the bottom of Park Road next to the old railway station. ALL of L17 is south of this area. Most people who live in L17 say that they live in Aigburth. The area between Dingle Lane and Aigburth Vale is undefined as a district. People within this area, if they don't say they live in Aigburth usually say that they live near Aigburth Road/Lark Lane area/Sefton Park/St Michaels/Fulwood Park - whichever they are nearest to. I have never heard anyone from L17say that they live in Toxteth. Why would they? They clearly don't. That's why the LCC boundary sign for Toxteth is at the bottom of Park Road and not Aigburth Vale!

It's an historical fact!
The Lower Lodge of Toxteth Park was on the site of Otterspool Station.
Parliament Street (and Upper Parliament Street) is named after an Act of Parliament which stated the boundary between Liverpool and Toxteth Park.
Therefore everything in between is in Toxteth.
And Lark Lane is right in the centre.

Where are the LCC signs for Toxteth Park? When has it been used as an administrative entity within the city? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't have a problem recognising that Toxteth (a district of modern Liverpool) is not the same as Toxteth Park, a former royal hunting ground that was not originally part of the township of Liverpool but as the town expanded, the area that Toxteth Park occupied was incorporated into what became the city of Liverpool, and historically, not that long ago! Toxteth.net has a map of the entire area covered by Toxteth Park. I guess, according to you (but not LCC) all that area is part of Toxteth and everyone who lives in it (large tracts of L17 and L18) actually lives in Toxteth!

Anyway, I'm conscious that this is a thread about Wavertree so this is my last post not connected with Wavertree on this thread.

For the record, I'm a big fan of Wavertree. It's massively underrated. I have high hopes for the Lawrence Road area in the next ten years - especially if some of the shops can be given a new lease of life and more students stay on in the city and start up businesses, rather than going back to wherever they came from. Reopening Wavertree station won't do any harm either.

Where are the LCC signs for Toxteth Park? When has it been used as an administrative entity within the city? Maybe I'm missing something but I don't have a problem recognising that Toxteth (a district of modern Liverpool) is not the same as Toxteth Park, a former royal hunting ground that was not originally part of the township of Liverpool but as the town expanded, the area that Toxteth Park occupied was incorporated into what became the city of Liverpool, and historically, not that long ago! Toxteth.net has a map of the entire area covered by Toxteth Park. I guess, according to you (but not LCC) all that area is part of Toxteth and everyone who lives in it (large tracts of L17 and L18) actually lives in Toxteth!

Anyway, I'm conscious that this is a thread about Wavertree so this is my last post not connected with Wavertree on this thread.

For the record, I'm a big fan of Wavertree. It's massively underrated. I have high hopes for the Lawrence Road area in the next ten years - especially if some of the shops can be given a new lease of life and more students stay on in the city and start up businesses, rather than going back to wherever they came from. Reopening Wavertree station won't do any harm either.

Ok Jericho, this is a thread about Wavertree, but I didn't insist that Lark Lane wasn't inside Toxteth (or Toxteth Park).
I don't know the way LCC thinks (does anybody?), but I do know where Toxteth Park is.
Other threads keep pointing out that these new LCC signs are in the wrong places.

I noticed that you edited one of your posts, (after I'd replied to it), so I'd like to ask you to say just where the boundaries of Toxteth are, as you see them?

Theres Official Signs now that say City Of Liverpool Mossley Hill though.

Earle Road Is definately Edge Hill, Edge Hill can have It anyway It's a dump.

[QUOTE=Max;38351]Theres Official Signs now that say City Of Liverpool Mossley Hill though.

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I think these new district signs are designed to show vaguely where you are and should not be interpreted as marking the beginning or end of a place. Mossley Hill has an enormous number of defintions and now seems to include the whole of Aigburth according to the boundaries of the new council ward of Mossley Hill. So as I said, there are really no defined boundaries for Mossley Hill but Moslsey Hill, Wavertree and Mossley Hill, Allerton would both be correct.

The original purpose of my post was to query whether anyone could loan St Barnabas church copies of old wedding photos taken at the church. As many overseas who reda these posts may have got married at the church I felt it would be helpful to include its full address as many will know it as St Barnabas, Wavertree as well as St Barnabas Mossley Hill.

For interest I attach a scan of the church's organ specification entitled St Barnabas, Wavertree

Ive lived in Wavertree all my life and love the place. In some ways it still has the feel of a small village about it, and not just part of a big city. If anyones interested Ive got loads of 'old' photos on my web site. www.liverpoolinpictures.com/Wavertree_In_Liverpool.htm

Welcome Wavertreeboy, nice set of old pix.:037:

Ive lived in Wavertree all my life and love the place. In some ways it still has the feel of a small village about it, and not just part of a big city. If anyones interested Ive got loads of 'old' photos on my web site. www.liverpoolinpictures.com/Wavertree_In_Liverpool.htm

looks good .. I'll take a look later. :)

Does anyone know why these stones are placed here (near the Monks Well)

Went for a walk through the Tech Park at lunch and decided to have a nose at Wavertree Tech Park Station as I'd never really stopped to look at the view.

1st photo shows the line heading out towards Broadgreen.

2nd photo shows the line heading towards Edge Hill - the Cathedral in the background and the large white building is where I work!

(and these were taken off my mobile too - washed out - but impressed none the less!)

Have you got The Monks Well?

I do Indeed.

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I do Indeed.

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Good piccie Maxie Lad..

Thanks, just adding more pics to my Flickr.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/sets/72157594459840302/

There will be more to come though.

Thanks, just adding more pics to my Flickr.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/sets/72157594459840302/

There will be more to come though.

Fine pic, Max and thanks for the link to your Flickr site. I have a black and white of the Monk's Well that I took in the Sixties with a couple of young scallys on it. I will post it here sooner or later when I can get it scanned. I find it interesting that the sandstone cross on top of the well is obviously newer than the stonework below which is eroded and evidently of greater date, although not as old perhaps as "1414" the date that is on it. Or at least it is my understanding that arabic numbered dates were not in use that far back. I think it is also true that there is no evidence of the spring there now, is that right? Does anyone have any information on whether the well has just been capped off or it dried up or what?

Chris

Think I'll make a black and white version too.:PDT_Piratz_26:

Think I'll make a black and white version too.:PDT_Piratz_26:


All you have to do is switch off the colour don't you? :snf (41):

Chris

Yeah, discard colour Information, saves me time taking one with the black and white settings on the camera.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Will put more up later, going the gym soon.

RESIDENTS and workers have welcomed plans to transform a rundown Liverpool high street and create scores of jobs.

The multi-million pound scheme would see ageing buildings in the centre of Edge Hill pulled down and replaced with shops and flats.

At the centre of the Wavertree Road development would be a new Taskers DIY superstore, generating 100 jobs, and a large supermarket.

Smaller shops, blocks of flats, and offices, including new premises for Wavertree customer focus centre and JobCentre Plus, would also be built.

Liverpool council is now working with developer Neptune and Taskers on a detailed plan. continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=jobs-hope-on-revamp%26method=full%26objectid=18724013%26siteid= 50061-name_page.html).....

Well as long as they don't come any closer to Highgate Street/Mason Street or Smithdown Lane I'll be happy - centre of the tunnels activity there!

Excellent pictures! :handclap::handclap:

I remember those totally deralict and part fire damaged but have gone past those every day for the last 12 years. They look nice spruced up!

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Holy Trinity updates.:PDT_Piratz_26:

I'm keen to find out as much info about these buildings, why on earth are they still there for a start in their present state? Is there any plans for restoration? Are there any older pictures of them etc?

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Cheers :PDT11

I was In Edge Hill Park yesterday, Took a pic of some tunnel which has a disused train track I think.

Going to put em up as soon as I finish other pics.:PDT10

I'm keen to find out as much info about these buildings, why on earth are they still there for a start in their present state? Is there any plans for restoration? Are there any older pictures of them etc?

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Cheers :PDT11

I'm pretty certain they were cottages for railway workers at Edge Hill Station.
I'll check maps and get back.

I'm pretty certain they were cottages for railway workers at Edge Hill Station.
I'll check maps and get back.


Later.
I should have checked my street directory first!
In 1936, the various addresses in that part of Tunnel Road were all occupied by different coal merchants.
After studying maps, they seem too small to be separate houses, and only seem big enough to contain one room each.
There's also no open space at the back of the properties, so it looks like they were probably built as offices (in the 1860s or 1870s) - more than likely by the railway company.

Thanks Phil. Hows about this gem, very old I expect:

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Any info?

Surprisingly LOL that's the old antiques shop on Tunnel Road - built in 1840 and was recently going to be demolished if the council had their way!!

It once stood next to the Tunnel Hotel on Tunnel Road.

1833

Later.
I should have checked my street directory first!
In 1936, the various addresses in that part of Tunnel Road were all occupied by different coal merchants.
After studying maps, they seem too small to be separate houses, and only seem big enough to contain one room each.
There's also no open space at the back of the properties, so it looks like they were probably built as offices (in the 1860s or 1870s) - more than likely by the railway company.

Yeah, they were not there in 1838 - that's one of my maps of Edge Hill - Tunnel road wasn't even built then! They do appear as one block on my 1908 map though.

Personally you would think they had another level at some point - lots of the houses in Edge Hill were taken down a level for unknown reasons - even the Mount Vernon pub used to be a 3 story building!!

Surprisingly LOL that's the old antiques shop on Tunnel Road - built in 1840 and was recently going to be demolished if the council had their way!!

It once stood next to the Tunnel Hotel on Tunnel Road.

1833

Is that an image from LLC Archives Jona? I cannot see it next the hotel?

Is that an image from LLC Archives Jona? I cannot see it next the hotel?

It's not from LLC archives I can tell you that Kev. It's the curved portion of the gate on the right hand side of my drawing.

Thanks Phil. Hows about this gem, very old I expect:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/432339962_1e77d32a27.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/432339962/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/432339836_89e3a2f083.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/432339836/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/174/432340803_0aaaae42b9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/432340803/)

Any info?

Where are they?:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

It's not from LLC archives I can tell you that Kev. It's the curved portion of the gate on the right hand side of my drawing.

Where's it from then?

Oh you're just after my source aren't you :PDT11

I got it when I purchased a load of information on Edge Hill train station from the 1980's - some black and white photo's, some colour, loads of maps and that was attached to it!

Where are they?:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

They're on Tunnel Road Max - the 79 will run up to Tunnel Road or (waited for ages for this pun for those in the know) 'You can get off at Edge Hill' :lol:

The fruit and veg depot on the corner of Tunnel Road/Wavertee Road was another loss - not for the building but for the facade.

Oh you're just after my source aren't you :PDT11


Oh - you rude boy, no way! Oh you mean that source, yes please :PDT_Piratz_26:

Oh - you rude boy, no way! Oh you mean that source, yes please :PDT_Piratz_26:

:lol: :lol:

Thanks, think I'll get some pics of their too for my Ghetto Hill set.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/sets/72157594531811423/

In the GHETTTTOOOOOO!

If you're after anything pre 1900 from Edge Hill Max, shout me! Got most of the area covered lad!

I went to Wavertree on Saturday (24MAR07) and was actually pleasantly suprised. It really is a cracking place to walk around when you get the time! Hunters Lane and Sailsbury Terrace are some places to note. The latter particually as only one side of the road is fronted with three story buildings. The otherside forms part of the back jigger for Eastdale Road!

Images were taken but I am currently experiancing problems with PC!

Glad u liked it, as stated in the first post (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19590&postcount=1), Wavertree is a historic place. The area just behind the town hall is lovely too.

Post those pics quick my good man :PDT11

Wheres that Antique part? Google maps doesn't have the street name I can read on Kev's pic.

Tunnel Road

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&GridE=-2.94866&GridN=53.40273&lon=-2.94866&lat=53.40273&place=Tunnel%20Road%2C%20LIVERPOOL%2C%20L7&db=GB&scale=5000&search_result=Tunnel%20Road%2C%20LIVERPOOL%2C%20L7&lang=&db=GB&keepicon=true

Just got back from there, did the Railway houses but left out the Antiques one due to It being open, I'll do that on a weekend.

Proper Ghetto up Edge Hill.

There used to be a cinema in Tunnel Road.
Where the JobCentre is.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/227025695/in/set-72157594265619936/

There used to be a cinema in Tunnel Road.
Where the JobCentre is.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/227025695/in/set-72157594265619936/

Wasn't it a strip club too?

I stood next to were the doors on the Railway houses were and I'd have to bend to go through them!

They should restore them though.

Wasn't it a strip club too?
Knew Kev had a filthy mind.:PDT10

:PDT_Aliboronz_24: Didn't notice that building.

Glad u liked it, as stated in the first post (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19590&postcount=1), Wavertree is a historic place. The area just behind the town hall is lovely too.

Post those pics quick my good man :PDT11

As soon as my PC is back; they'll be up here like a shot! Been hijacking other peoples recently :unibrow:

Prince Alfred Road is a pleasant spot too! Rather quaint in a way.

I went to Wavertree because I suddenly noticed that my Flickr was lacking in images for this truely remarkable part of the city so I went and had a look! Folks wondered why but hopefully after they have seen me, they'll understand!

Wasn't it a strip club too?

It was a club with at least 3 different names, Pallas, Dallas & Roxy.
I went there once when they had beer on a special price. :PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT_Aliboronz_24:
I was more interested in the architecture. :002:

IS THIS Wavertree’s oldest resident? Sister Maria Verhoek celebrated her 102nd birthday on Sunday with a small party in her south Liverpool convent. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=102-good-reasons-to-say-happy-birthday%26method=full%26objectid=18813019%26sitei d=50061-name_page.html)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/431507404/

St Hugh's.

Ged,use these mate for you web thingy majig..just gimme a little mention please Lad.

Wavertree Gardens..again !!

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Rrrrrrrrrrr ouse..4C...(1966)..Now No 58.

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Rrrr ouse again.

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Rrrr ouse again !!

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I have uploaded all my "good" Wavertree images up onto Flickr just now. I did try and post a few here but it all went pear-shaped sadly!

Does anyone have any informantion regarding Victoria Park? I was expecting dear Mr Hoult from 1913 to write about it but he didn't which left me in the lurch when it came to writing about it!

Also, does anyone know anything about the Sandown Lane/ Sailsbury Terrace part of Wavertree? That was an exceedingly interesting part of the district to say the least!

EDIT:

Great images there Gerard! I didn't really take all that mnay of that particular building but theres always a next time!

I have uploaded all my "good" Wavertree images up onto Flickr just now. I did try and post a few here but it all went pear-shaped sadly!

Does anyone have any informantion regarding Victoria Park? I was expecting dear Mr Hoult from 1913 to write about it but he didn't which left me in the lurch when it came to writing about it!

Also, does anyone know anything about the Sandown Lane/ Sailsbury Terrace part of Wavertree? That was an exceedingly interesting part of the district to say the least!

EDIT:

Great images there Gerard! I didn't really take all that mnay of that particular building but theres always a next time!

Thank you wallasey for your comments about my piccies..feel free to use them if you wish..no problem..

I reckon Phil will solve yer little Query there matey about Sandown Lane..

Go ead :celb (6): :celb (6): Phil Lad !!

Gerard. Fantastic pics of the old tennies mate. I will add some to my site and of course give you the cred, well done. Which one did you live in? You'd never get a 20 a side footy match going in that square would you?

I have uploaded all my "good" Wavertree images up onto Flickr just now. I did try and post a few here but it all went pear-shaped sadly!

Does anyone have any informantion regarding Victoria Park? I was expecting dear Mr Hoult from 1913 to write about it but he didn't which left me in the lurch when it came to writing about it!

Also, does anyone know anything about the Sandown Lane/ Sailsbury Terrace part of Wavertree? That was an exceedingly interesting part of the district to say the least!
EDIT:

Great images there Gerard! I didn't really take all that mnay of that particular building but theres always a next time!

Not off the top of my head, I don't know anything really.
Is that anything to do with Sandown Hall?
I'll check some maps, and see what I can find out.

Sandown Hall stuff here:

http://www.liverpool.ndo.co.uk/sandown/index.html

High Street, Wavertree, opposite the Picton Clock.
The basic house is old, but the "Beams"; are only painted on.
This picture is only here to give the location of the next picture.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/461917326_98446b6b15_o.jpg

This is Waterloo Street at the side of Jenkins, Funeral Directors,
I was astounded when I saw this wall!
It was only after being alerted to it by Chris George that I found it.
It looks like those windows, (or a window and a door), could be Elizabethan, which age is extremely rare in Liverpool
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/171/461917338_dc2040f816_o.jpg

Yeah, the oldest part of Wavertree!

http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/page52.html

Yeah, the oldest part of Wavertree!

http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/page52.html

Thanks, Jona.
Apart from the cinemas, my knowledge of Wavertree is sadly lacking.
Have you heard of the Wavertree Picturedrome?

Wavertree Is a very old area.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

And I'm from this Historic Area.:PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT11 :PDT11

Never thought of that wall as anything but I recognize It.

Wavertree has alot of Liverpool History compared to most Liverpool areas.

I think this makes a case for Wavertree also being called Godvertree or The Foundation Of Liverpool.

Or The God Of South Liverpool.

Plus a Beatle was born here so that will add flavour to the arguement

Max Check out this link.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=41304

It's just more Info to show Wavertree Is king.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Yeah, the oldest part of Wavertree!

http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/page52.html

Hi Philip and Jona

Great to see the pic of that old sandstone wall in Wavertree that I remembered and also to see this info from the Wavertree site, Jona. Thanks to both of you.

Chris

I am interesting for Wavertree. Its a big area and I suposee that its divided in others sub-areas.

I am interested in the area that appears in the photography. It is a map of google. It is the zone of the following streets:

In the map I have indicated two zones, which look like left fields. Probably be houses that they have demolished. I do not know...

I have seen photographies about one park in Wavertree, but not on this one.

If someone has photographies of this zone and wants to explain to me. Thank u!!

I am interesting for Wavertree. Its a big area and I suposee that its divided in others sub-areas.

I am interested in the area that appears in the photography. It is a map of google. It is the zone of the following streets:

In the map I have indicated two zones, which look like left fields. Probably be houses that they have demolished. I do not know...

I have seen photographies about one park in Wavertree, but not on this one.

If someone has photographies of this zone and wants to explain to me. Thank u!!


Marie, these two places are 'allotments' used for growing vegetables, fruit and the like. No houses are on those plots of land - just plenty of sheds!

Marie, these two places are 'allotments' used for growing vegetables, fruit and the like. No houses are on those plots of land - just plenty of sheds!

Ok, ok. Finally, I move to Wavertree, in this area. I like to know about this area. What about the park? I saw info and photos about Wavertree Park, but never I saw info and photos, about this park.

Ok, ok. Finally, I move to Wavertree, in this area. I like to know about this area. What about the park? I saw info and photos about Wavertree Park, but never I saw info and photos, about this park.

Hi Marie

Iain took some photographs of Wavertree Park, otherwise known as "The Mystery" a few weeks ago and they can be seen in this thread:

Wavertree Park / The Mystery (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3759)

All the best

Chris

Hi Marie

Iain took some photographs of Wavertree Park, otherwise known as "The Mystery" a few weeks ago and they can be seen in this thread:

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3759]Wavertree Park / The Mystery

All the best

Chris

Thanks u Chris! The mistery? sound good! lol
What its the name of this subarea of Wavertree?

I've worked in Wavertree for 13 years and found it to be a nice place. There are some parts of Wavertree which are the 'not so nice' area's and then there some parts of Wavertree which are the Godlike area's. You cannot go wrong with the part of Wavertree that leads from the main High Street up to the borders of Childwall. (if you can afford the prices!!)

I've worked in Wavertree for 13 years and found it to be a nice place. There are some parts of Wavertree which are the 'not so nice' area's and then there some parts of Wavertree which are the Godlike area's. You cannot go wrong with the part of Wavertree that leads from the main High Street up to the borders of Childwall. (if you can afford the prices!!)

Thanks Jona. I am looking for more info about the area map, shops, parks, buses, ... Thanks u!!

Thanks Jona. I am looking for more info about the area map, shops, parks, buses, ... Thanks u!!

PM me if you need any information on Wavertree! I can certainly tell you about the best pubs in the area :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Start a thread :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

PM me if you need any information on Wavertree! I can certainly tell you about the best pubs in the area :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Only about Pubs? Sound good, but I like to know more, for example, if there are some supermarket (Lidl, etc.) and others things that u can find it interesting. But tell me, where are this Pubs? :)
Thanks for replay Jona!!

I'm sure Max will add to this thread. :)

Wavertree Playground is The Mystery.
Wavertree Park is another site, off Edge Lane/Botanic Road, next to Littlewoods.

Wavertree Playground is The Mystery.
Wavertree Park is another site, off Edge Lane/Botanic Road, next to Littlewoods.

I was just going to say that too. However, the Liverpool City Council has been involved in a rebranding excercise and re-named the well known " Wavertree Park" as " Botanic Park". I still prefer the correct names for the parks.

Thanks for the photos Taffy!! I am moving between Childway Rd. and Millstead Special School and Olive Mount Play. Flds. The house is new, and I think that all this area is new, coz in the google map this streets do not exisits.

Yes you're right, there's a lot of new property being built in this area. Mainly on the site of an old school and now on the site of some demolished tower blocks. It should be a nice area to live in and is just on the outskirts of the old part of Wavertree around the High Street.

Attached are a couple of photos of Childwall Rd, Wavertree.

Thanx u very much for replay. I think so, its a beauty area. Great photos!

Thanks for the photos Taffy!! I am moving between Childway Rd. and Millstead Special School and Olive Mount Play. Flds. The house is new, and I think that all this area is new, coz in the google map this streets do not exisits.

Theres alot of old fancy houses around those areas.

There has been new accommodation built around there though too.

The typical inexpensive student areas are off Smithdown Rd and are the typical terraced houses you see all over Liverpool.

Wern't Student areas till the Landlords became greedy ****s. When I was a kid there was more families around here. Some of the families sold to greedy landlords and they decided to rent them out to students.

One resident was evicted because the landlord wanted to rent to students.

The Terraced houses around here though are bigger than the average terraced houses In Liverpool though some are 6 and some are 4 bedrooms. Where I live are 4 bedroom but the next street has 6 bedroom houses.

So there not so typical.

I should really get more Photos of Wavertree since I've lived here all my life but I got some here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/sets/72157594459840302/

I should really get more Photos of Wavertree since I've lived here all my life but I got some here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/sets/72157594459840302/

Thanks Max. I see that its a very beauty area. There are a lot of buses and I think that there are shops too. And Jona saids, there are a lot of Pubs too!! Lol!!

I've just turned passionate about Wavertree all of a sudden!

Theres Sandown Park In Wavertree to by the Cricket club, It's off Long Lane I think the streets called Opposite where the Cricket Club.

The Mystery Is on the other side of the railway wall 4 houses from me.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

A good pub Is the Willow Bank On Smithdown road, which Is unique to all the average Smithdown Road buildings.

I find It easier to get to any area of Liverpool by starting at my homeland of Wavertree first.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Thanks Max. I see that its a very beauty area. There are a lot of buses and I think that there are shops too. And Jona saids, there are a lot of Pubs too!! Lol!!

High streets next to where your moving, lots of pubs around there.
:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

High streets next to where your moving, lots of pubs around there.
:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I see, u and Jona are a experts about Pubs!! :handclap: :handclap:

I've just turned passionate about Wavertree all of a sudden!

Theres Sandown Park In Wavertree to by the Cricket club, It's off Long Lane I think the streets called Opposite where the Cricket Club.

The Mystery Is on the other side of the railway wall 4 houses from me.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

A good pub Is the Willow Bank On Smithdown road, which Is unique to all the average Smithdown Road buildings.

I find It easier to get to any area of Liverpool by starting at my homeland of Wavertree first.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Cricket Club, one sport to know... its not exist here.

A question, i see somes "M" in my map, but I am confussed! what is it? If in Pool are not an underground!

Cricket Club, one sport to know... its not exist here.

A question, i see somes "M" in my map, but I am confussed! what is it? If in Pool are not an underground!

In what context do you see the letter M on your map? If it's on a railway line maybe it's M for Merseyrail?

I see, u and Jona are a experts about Pubs!! :handclap: :handclap:


It's a lie - I never go in pubs :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

In what context do you see the letter M on your map? If it's on a railway line maybe it's M for Merseyrail?

This is the map. In the web are not a Legend with a significate. I do not know... if in Pool are not a underground, i think that its a Mersey Train. But I am not sure. Thanx u!!

This is the map. In the web are not a Legend with a significate. I do not know... if in Pool are not a underground, i think that its a Mersey Train. But I am not sure. Thanx u!!

You are right, Marie.
They are the railway stations.

You are right, Marie.
They are the railway stations.

Thanks for replay, I supose it, but I am not sure coz Its not usually for me, see two stations or more, in the same city.

You are right, Marie.
They are the railway stations.

One of the railway tracks go thorough my street. Only a wall and fence In between and sometimes when I got train to somewhere like Warrington or London I went past my house on the train.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

The Olive Mount community centre is on those, we were up there a few weeks ago and nearly everyone who lives in them must have one of my books ha ha - they're a bit posher up there and had more money to spend. I done loads in.

Here's some photos I took for you today Marie of the new houses in the area of Wavertree that you were thinking of living in .

Thanx u very much!! What is the second photo? Its a building with red wall and a circle.

The Olive Mount community centre is on those, we were up there a few weeks ago and nearly everyone who lives in them must have one of my books ha ha - they're a bit posher up there and had more money to spend. I done loads in.

U are a writer, Ged? Sorry but I cannot understand "one of ur books".

Thanx u very much!! What is the second photo? Its a building with red wall and a circle.

The red walls with circular holes are part of the entrance to a small linear park. A couple of more photos attached.

A few more photos for Marie of Wavertree

Boss piccies Taff :handclap:

Thank u Taffy for the photos. High St its near me coz I am just in the the rotunda, between this High St. and Childwall Rd. Opposite the Gala Bingo. Next to Mill Lane. I thinks, the comercial streets are Chilwall Rd., High St., Woolton, ...

Which is the motive that somes streets are called lanes? For example, Penny Lane, Mill Lane, Lace Lane, Pits Lane, ...

Thank u Taffy for the photos. High St its near me coz I am just in the the rotunda, between this High St. and Childwall Rd. Opposite the Gala Bingo. Next to Mill Lane. I thinks, the comercial streets are Chilwall Rd., High St., Woolton, ...

Which is the motive that somes streets are called lanes? For example, Penny Lane, Mill Lane, Lace Lane, Pits Lane, ...

Lanes are the streets that have been there for hundreds of years.

Lanes are the streets that have been there for hundreds of years.

Thank u, was only a curiosity. There are a lot of X Lane St. in this area.
I can see in the map Victoria Park and Wavertree Green, but are not in green, are in the same colour of the houses. Are a park?

Marie, Is this the place you're going to live? ( building on left hand side of photo)

I supposse it!! :) I never go there, but I can see somes photos of the house, is near, in a new street, are not in somes maps still (for example google maps).

Until 1895, Wavertree was not part of Livepool acorring to Wiki.

So I don't have to be a Scouser.:PDT10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavertree

Until 1895, Wavertree was not part of Livepool acorring to Wiki.

So I don't have to be a Scouser.:PDT10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavertree

I was born in 1979 mon petit neighbor!! :PDT10

I was born In 1985.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Until 1895, Wavertree was not part of Livepool acorring to Wiki.

So I don't have to be a Scouser.:PDT10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavertree

Quite so!!

Of course in the days of Wavertree District Council , its writ went as far as Druid's Cross Rd and Rose Lane, both now in L18. There were many arguments with the then Allerton township council as to who should repair Rose Lane. In the end a government decree set the border down the middle of the road and both Councils had to pay for the upkeep. Same applied to Green Lane. The Wikipedia article perpetuates the myth about the donor of the "Mystery" being unknown. Beware of Wikipedia !!

I was born In 1985.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I know, I was read it in ur myspace! lol! U see, U are mon petit neighbor! :PDT11

Quite so!!

Of course in the days of Wavertree District Council , its writ went as far as Druid's Cross Rd and Rose Lane, both now in L18. There were many arguments with the then Allerton township council as to who should repair Rose Lane. In the end a government decree set the border down the middle of the road and both Councils had to pay for the upkeep. Same applied to Green Lane. The Wikipedia article perpetuates the myth about the donor of the "Mystery" being unknown. Beware of Wikipedia !!

In wikipedia u can read too much to errors. Its a data base of normal people who like write it. I do not like too much.

Quite so!!

Of course in the days of Wavertree District Council , its writ went as far as Druid's Cross Rd and Rose Lane, both now in L18. There were many arguments with the then Allerton township council as to who should repair Rose Lane. In the end a government decree set the border down the middle of the road and both Councils had to pay for the upkeep. Same applied to Green Lane. The Wikipedia article perpetuates the myth about the donor of the "Mystery" being unknown. Beware of Wikipedia !!

So If Rose Lane was as far as Wavertree went then Is most of Mossley Hill Wavertree?

Most Of Mossley Hill has been argued to be Toxteth too though On Toxteth.net but that was when It was only the ancient park I think.

Somes questions...

Which are the sub-areas of Wavertree?
Is Penny Lane a sub-area of Wavertree?
Is Sefton Park in Wavertree?

I try to find a map, with the differents sub-areas of the distric, the limits, and its names, but I cannot find it.

Thanx u!

Marie, Is this the place you're going to live? ( building on left hand side of photo)

That area used to be a petrol station at one point!!

That area used to be a petrol station at one point!!

I think I remember that, I remember those flats being built and the fences around the site.

That area used to be a petrol station at one point!!

So... I can find petrol in the garden? :PDT11

So... I can find petrol in the garden? :PDT11

Just don't go and light a bonfire else you may get more than you bargained for :eek: :)

Nearest Petrol Station I know Is the Total Station on Smithdown Road.

Somes questions...

Which are the sub-areas of Wavertree?
Is Penny Lane a sub-area of Wavertree?
Is Sefton Park in Wavertree?

I try to find a map, with the differents sub-areas of the distric, the limits, and its names, but I cannot find it.

Thanx u!

Anyone can replay me? Only are a Pub´s Tour Experts? :)

Penny Lane Is Mossley Hill.

Sergent Pepper's Bistro Is On the Wavertree Side though.

Sefton Park Is part of Toxteth, Aigburth and some of Mossley Hill.

Penny Lane Is Mossley Hill.

Sergent Pepper's Bistro Is On the Wavertree Side though.

Sefton Park Is part of Toxteth, Aigburth and some of Mossley Hill.

Thanx u!! :handclap:

Are not sub-areas? Wavertree its too big, I was thinking that maybe are others sub-areas, for example, Wavertree north, etc.

So If Rose Lane was as far as Wavertree went then Is most of Mossley Hill Wavertree?

Most Of Mossley Hill has been argued to be Toxteth too though On Toxteth.net but that was when It was only the ancient park I think.

Mossley Hill spreads over a few townships including Wavertree, Toxteth,Garston and Allerton. It has no real defined boundary assuming you exclude the newly named Mossley Hill city ward which is really Aigburth in disguise.

The Sefton Park area is a sub division of Toxteth and was administered from what is now called Toxteth Town Hall. It includes part of Mossley Hill. SS Matthew and James Church Mossley hill is actually in Garston township but its school on Bridge Rd was in Wavertree township. Similarly the Wavertree Town Hall administered all the area in Wavertree township from Earle Rd to distant Druid's Cross rd

Thanx u!! :handclap:

Are not sub-areas? Wavertree its too big, I was thinking that maybe are others sub-areas, for example, Wavertree north, etc.

Marie, people these days think in terms of districts as related to modern day postal delivery codes. So they think of Wavertree as L15 for example. Historically speaking this is incorrect as post codes are a relatively new invention but it's a useful rough guide. It's on the boundaries of post code districts that confusion arises. There are sub districts but these tend to be in other post code districts so get forgotten. It's a common problem throughout Liverpool.

The biggest problem with defining these boundaries, I have found to be in my own area. Toxteth, Dingle and Shorfiefields ? As Taffy has said, it has a lot to do with the 'relatively new post codes.'

The Dingle is the area I still put on my 'snail mail.'

Ok, I understand. Only I see the map and... its very very big!!

So If Rose Lane was as far as Wavertree went then Is most of Mossley Hill Wavertree?

Most Of Mossley Hill has been argued to be Toxteth too though On Toxteth.net but that was when It was only the ancient park I think.

Here you go Max. Here's the full extent of "God" like Wavertree. Map scanned from "Discovering Historic Wavertree" by Mike Chitty and published by the Wavertree Society. ISBN 0-9536441-0-3. Well worth buying Marie by the way. Map based on 1826 Sherriff's map of Liverpool's environs.

You can see Most of Smithdown Rd , then called Smithdown Lane is not in Wavertree but rather Toxteth despite its modern L15 post code

Max - your starter for 10.

Where WAS the original pond of Wavertree (which means meeting place by a tree) :PDT_Piratz_26:

Max - your starter for 10.

Where WAS the original pond of Wavertree (which means meeting place by a tree) :PDT_Piratz_26:

I know I know I know I know

I know I know I know I know


He is googling. :)

He is googling. :)

No, if it what I'm thinking, the info is already on Yo! :unibrow:

Max - your starter for 10.

Where WAS the original pond of Wavertree (which means meeting place by a tree) :PDT_Piratz_26:

It's now a playground! :mad:

Just by the Monks Well.

Thanks for the map Taff, but wasn't part of Smithdown only Toxteth when It was the Ancient Park only?

It's now a playground! :mad:

Just by the Monks Well.

Thanks for the map Taff, but wasn't part of Smithdown only Toxteth when It was the Ancient Park only?

No not really. The boundary shown on the map are those of the Wavertree Council. So when the Smithdown Rd area became developed (last quarter 19th C), those properties one side of the boundary paid their rates to Wavertree Town Hall and those the other side to Toxteth Town Hall. So the boundaries had a very modern meaning not simply an ancient one.

I have to say this confused me the first time I looked that this problem and before I was aware of the correct Wavertree/ Toxteth boundaries. This was because in looking up families living between Smithdown Road and Garmoyle Rd in the 1920s, I saw they said they lived in Sefton Park. This was because of course Sefton Park had been a district of Toxteth. I doubt whether they ever thought of themselves as living in Toxteth but they certainly believed they lived in Sefton Park and not Wavertree. This was confirmed by entries in the Gore's Liverpool Directory of the period.

Of course where the current Aldi shop is on Smithdown rd, there was once Sefton Park School, so named beacuse it was in the Sefton Park district. The nursery next door still calls itself Sefton Park Nursery.

Hope this helps to clear things up in your mind.

It's now a playground! :mad:

Just by the Monks Well.

Thanks for the map Taff, but wasn't part of Smithdown only Toxteth when It was the Ancient Park only?

Zero points ;o)

It was actually where the school once was, now the new flats. If you go down Thingwall Lane - where the roundabout is now but where there was once a corner - it was to the left - big pond and a massive tree!

Zero points ;o)

It was actually where the school once was, now the new flats. If you go down Thingwall Lane - where the roundabout is now but where there was once a corner - it was to the left - big pond and a massive tree!

This must be the place

This must be the place


Gold star sir - the council finally found the name of the pond - and now someone's house covers the original meeting place at Wavertree :rolleyes:

Gold star sir - the council finally found the name of the pond - and now someone's house covers the original meeting place at Wavertree :rolleyes:

Get some bells near the house and use your bell ringing skills to make a noise so lowd, that the house will crumble.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

No not really. The boundary shown on the map are those of the Wavertree Council. So when the Smithdown Rd area became developed (last quarter 19th C), those properties one side of the boundary paid their rates to Wavertree Town Hall and those the other side to Toxteth Town Hall. So the boundaries had a very modern meaning not simply an ancient one.

I have to say this confused me the first time I looked that this problem and before I was aware of the correct Wavertree/ Toxteth boundaries. This was because in looking up families living between Smithdown Road and Garmoyle Rd in the 1920s, I saw they said they lived in Sefton Park. This was because of course Sefton Park had been a district of Toxteth. I doubt whether they ever thought of themselves as living in Toxteth but they certainly believed they lived in Sefton Park and not Wavertree. This was confirmed by entries in the Gore's Liverpool Directory of the period.

Of course where the current Aldi shop is on Smithdown rd, there was once Sefton Park School, so named beacuse it was in the Sefton Park district. The nursery next door still calls itself Sefton Park Nursery.

Hope this helps to clear things up in your mind.

U are a surprise box!! Why do u know too much of Wavertree?
Thanks to share photos, info about it!! :handclap:

Excuse the poor quality as it's been resized - but this shows Tunnel Road with those single story houses (that someone raised a question on) to the right hand side....!

Source - it's going on e-bay.

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Excuse the poor quality as it's been resized - but this shows Tunnel Road with those single story houses (that someone raised a question on) to the right hand side....!

Source - it's going on e-bay.

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We've found that they were not houses or cottages but offices for coal merchants.
The railway property is right at the back of the terrace, with not even back yards to them which proves they were not built for residential purposes.

If that picture is original, it will be one of the 1911 Police Strike postcards.
Apart from Titanic cards, they must be about the most expensive Liverpool related postcards.

Here's the link:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Liverpool-Strike-1911-Convoy-Tunnel-Road-Carbonora-RP_W0QQitemZ150116844347QQihZ005QQcategoryZ79976QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Does anyone know the history of this building or who owns it? It's situated just outside the Royal Liverpool Hospital on the right hand side.

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Does anyone know the history of this building or who owns it? It's situated just outside the Royal Liverpool Hospital on the right hand side.

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Jona, it has been a long time but I will tell you what I remember. I think this is the building that used to be a welding shop. The guy that owned it lived above it. He fought the council to stop it being demolished in the '70s and won. He demanded freehold property the same size in exchange instead of the paltry sum they offered him. All I remember about him is that he was fair haired and not very big in stature, his name was Jimmy. I knew him from him hanging out at the Blue Star garage in Smithdown Rd where the taxi drivers used to have a card school. He was an interesting person, he used to make metal puzzles which I never saw anyone solve, he could take them apart and put them back together and you hardly saw his hands move. He also used to carve wooden chains and give them away.

I saw someone vaguely matching that description going in there a few months ago-not that you'd think the place was actually lived in,given its appearance.

Dave.

I saw someone vaguely matching that description going in there a few months ago-not that you'd think the place was actually lived in,given its appearance.

Dave.
I last saw him over 25 years ago, he would be in his 60/70's now if he is still around.

a Wavertree township marker on Binns Road

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/itsmma/DSCF0919-2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/itsmma/DSCF0920.jpg

Thanks, MarkA. Great to see. :handclap:

I have copied your post to the Boundary Markers thread (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2803) as well.

Chris

http://www.liverpool.ndo.co.uk/wavsoc/img0.gif

The only symbol worth using and turning Into a religion.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

SWEET!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I would brew Cherry Coke Instead though.

Looks similar to my family crest

http://www.baronage.co.uk/bpgif-03/badges/2badges/andersob.gif

The red walls with circular holes are part of the entrance to a small linear park. A couple of more photos attached.

When u took this photo, probably you were treading on my garden!! :PDT_Xtremez_42:

Mark isn't that the Anderson Tartan in the background.

Mark isn't that the Anderson Tartan in the background.

All is under control: Link (http://www.merseypub.com/guide/pu105.htm)

Mark isn't that the Anderson Tartan in the background.

Yes, that's my surname.

All is under control: Link (http://www.merseypub.com/guide/pu105.htm)

Now there's a pub crawl :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Now there's a pub crawl :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Been there done that, lost a day out of my life!

You start at the Coffee House and work your way down....

Lamb
Clock
Barley Mow
Town Hall
Cock and Bottle
Thatched
Cuffs
Chillies
....and so on. When you get to Wavertree Road/Tunnel Road you could branch off or carry on. Carry on and you'd get (Mole of Edge Hill - gone) Bears Paw...and in to town.

Grinfield street side you had the Oxford/Tunnels Bar...and so on.

First one to pass out wins :PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I can't drink as much as I used to :rolleyes: , did the Smithdown Ten not that long back (when there still were ten pubs there) and had a bad bad headache the next day.

But then I did it on an empty stomach :PDT_Xtremez_42:

I'll keep a note of this one though!

I can't drink as much as I used to :rolleyes: , did the Smithdown Ten not that long back (when there still were ten pubs there) and had a bad bad headache the next day.

But then I did it on an empty stomach :PDT_Xtremez_42:

I'll keep a note of this one though!

Likewise - we used to have free bars at Sony every year and you would literally drink the bar dry, go home and get some sleep then turn up for work on the button the next day. Now I need to pre order me headache tablets if I have a sniff of the barmaid's apron :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Went past the town hall today and It's getting a new shiny coat of paint.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Saw I pigeon fly Into an open window In the hall once.

Somes pictures:

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30970_PIC0139.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30972_PIC0138.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30971_PIC0133.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30973_PIC0131.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30974_PIC0132.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30977_PIC0124.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30979_PIC0108.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30981_PIC0107.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30984_PIC0109.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i30985_PIC0110.JPG (http://www.mundoarchivo.com)

A godlike area of Wavertree.

On Newcastle Road off Church Road, John Lennon's first house before Mendips Is down there somewhere.

The Mystery/Picton Park Is over the wall from me, but theres a rail line over the wall.

Great pictures Marie!! :handclap:

Nice photos Marie. :)

Where are those houses ? (5th pic). They look nice.

That'll be Church Road opposite the Blue Coat School - they're massive!

That'll be Church Road opposite the Blue Coat School - they're massive!

Two of those Church Rd. houses are quite famous. They were built as a competition between two builders competing for the contract to build the school.:034:

I love houses like that. Full of character.

That'll be Church Road opposite the Blue Coat School - they're massive!

Its my house!! :rolleyes:

Lovely houses Marie. :)

Been there done that, lost a day out of my life!

You start at the Coffee House and work your way down....

Lamb
Clock
Barley Mow
Town Hall
Cock and Bottle
Thatched
Cuffs
Chillies
....and so on. When you get to Wavertree Road/Tunnel Road you could branch off or carry on. Carry on and you'd get (Mole of Edge Hill - gone) Bears Paw...and in to town.

Grinfield street side you had the Oxford/Tunnels Bar...and so on.

First one to pass out wins :PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

You must also do a slight diversion to the Edinburgh though

Lovely houses Marie. :)

I was jokin´!! This is not my house (about the 5 picture), my house its smallest than the other house!!
In Church St. are a lot of big and beauties houses. I usually walk about this street, when I went to Penny Lane area.

Is Abercromby Sqaure part of Edge Hill as I dunno what set to add my Abercroby photos to In my Flickr?

That's Toxteth isn't it Max?

Toxteth ends at Upper Parliament Street.

when I was looking for Abercromby Square on my Alan Godrey 1906 map I noticed a Bishops Palace on the corner of Oxford St & Chatham Street.
is this building still standing ?
Mandy

Out of interest. Where is Canning st and Huskisson street as far as areas go?

when I was looking for Abercromby Square on my Alan Godrey 1906 map I noticed a Bishops Palace on the corner of Oxford St & Chatham Street.
is this building still standing ?
Mandy

I found it :)

http://www.chavasse.u-net.com/bishopspalace.html

Out of interest. Where is Canning st and Huskisson street as far as areas go?

Canning I think.

Canning I think.

Canning is I think a fairly modern invent as a district name. The historical name for the area was Abercromby, named after Abercromby Square and the ex council ward of the same name. There is an Abercromby Health Centre on I believe Grove St

Is Abercromby Sqaure part of Edge Hill as I dunno what set to add my Abercroby photos to In my Flickr?

Max, the Edge Hill boundary is Crown St. So Abercromby Square is within the old Liverpool boundaries and is in the Abercromby District. The council do have an Edge Hill district sign on Grove St but this simpy marks the one street L7 post code boundary and is nothing to do with Edge Hill real boundaries as such.

Abercromby Sqaure Is past Crown Street though.

I think Taffy means that the area East of Crown st is Edge Hill. Abercromby Square is city centre side of Crown St and its continuation, Grove St.

I do know of Abercromby being a council district but someone who I know who lives in Canning Street considers it to be Toxteth-ish.

I think Taffy means that the area East of Crown st is Edge Hill. Abercromby Square is city centre side of Crown St and its continuation, Grove St.

I do know of Abercromby being a council district but someone who I know who lives in Canning Street considers it to be Toxteth-ish.

Canning Street is in L8. It has never been in Toxteth. In my experience most people who were born in L8 tend to use the postcode to refer to the area they are from, with the exception of the Dingle area. (People say they are from the Dingle). I always think of the part of L8 north of Upper Parliament Street as part of 'town'. It's currently being marketed under a range of guises (Canning, Georgian, Hope Street, Cultural, Cathedral ...). My bet is that it will end up as 'town'. People I know who live in that area tend to say they are from Canning Street, Catherine Street - whatever Street, and provide no further explanation!

That's right. I've known a lot of people born and bred around L'pool 8 - in roads including Falkner, Canning, Huskisson, Hope st, Stanhope st.
No matter what the official boundaries were or are, they always said that they were from L'pool 8 - never saying Toxteth (which only became in usage by the media after the riots - and no one had ever heard of it being called the 'Georgian Quarter either !!

It seems to be popular to call it 'Tocky' these days - usually by the youth.


Dingle. people from Dingle usually say they are from Dingle and don't refer to it as anything else.

My father-in-law was born in the bread streets. It's Dingle and yet his mail always had Toxteth on them. When my wife mentioned this to him in front of some neighbours, he said they've got it wrong it's Dingle but then his neighbours chipped in saying 'Oh it is Toxteth though, the posh end of Toxteth' :)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/

Updated my Wavertree set.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Got more to look at but going the gym.

That's right. I've known a lot of people born and bred around L'pool 8 - in roads including Falkner, Canning, Huskisson, Hope st, Stanhope st.
No matter what the official boundaries were or are, they always said that they were from L'pool 8 - never saying Toxteth (which only became in usage by the media after the riots - and no one had ever heard of it being called the 'Georgian Quarter either !!

It seems to be popular to call it 'Tocky' these days - usually by the youth.


Dingle. people from Dingle usually say they are from Dingle and don't refer to it as anything else.


Like me, Lindy.
My postcode is L8, but if the wind is behind me I can spit as far as L17! :PDT10
But I always insist the Dingle is part of Toxteth.

RE: Bluecoat School

MORE than three centuries ago the rector of Liverpool, Reverend Robert Styth, and Bryan Blundell, master mariner, founded the Liverpool Blue Coat School. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=three-centuries-of-education%2D-culture-and-learning%26method=full%26objectid=19228258%26sitei d=50061-name_page.html)

More info about The Monks Well

The name Monkswell Drive - a typical cul-de-sac of 1930s semis is a reminder of Monkswell House which formerly stood on the site. Turn the corner from North Drive into Mill Lane and you will see the sandstone cross from which the old house got its name: the 'Monks Well' itself.

Baines's Lancashire Directory of 1825 says of Wavertree: "Here is a well at which charitable contributions were anciently collected, bearing the following monkish inscription in antique letters - Qui non dat quod Habet, Doemon Infra Ridet. Anno 1414. Which may be thus freely translated: - He who here does nought bestow, The Devil laughs at him below". Moss's Liverpool Guide of 1796 had gone further, suggesting that "an old monastic looking house" alongside had been "inhabited by some religious order, who might thus request alms towards their support"

The well is undoubtedly ancient. It used to stand further back from the road, at a point where pure water bubbled out from the sandstone of Olive Mount. In the masonry beneath the original cross was an archway, under which a few steps gave access to the stone cistern or chamber containing the water. The Wavertree Enclosure Act of 1768 referred to "the through tunnel, channel or stone gutter, lately laid and made ... to carry and convey water from the said well or basin into another ... lately also made, erected and built, in the highway or road adjoining". Apparently the owner of Lake House had objected to the villagers walking over his lawn to draw water!

Legends about the Monks Well abound, and most of the stories involve secret passageways: leading either to Childwall 'Abbey' (which never was an abbey) or Childwall Priory (which was a farmhouse near the present Fiveways junction) or the Bishop Eton Monastery (which was only established in the 1840s) or even the Rose Brewery in Picton Road! It seems likely that such legends were sparked off by Victorian children, who spotted the inlet tunnel already referred to, and the outlet pipe which would have channelled the surplus water into Wavertree Lake alongside (where the children's playground is today).

In 1834 the Select Vestry - the predecessor of the Local Board of Health - installed an iron pump to lift the water from the underground chamber. They also ordered the Constable to lock the pump during church service times on Sundays, it having been found that "women met at the well when drawing water, and stayed gossiping there". With the arrival of piped water in the 1850s, the well became redundant, and the legends began to grow! Late in the nineteenth century a stone cross - inscribed 'Deus dedit, Homo bebit' (God gives, Man drinks) in accordance with local tradition - was added to the base.

By 1932, the site was owned by a building firm - Messrs David Roberts, Son & Co. - who had bought and demolished Monkswell House to make way for an estate of semi-detached houses. The survival of the Well appeared to be threatened, but, recognising its historic value, the firm presented it to the City Council. The structure became one of Liverpool's first Listed 'Buildings' in 1952.

The above text is an extract from 'Discovering Historic Wavertree' by Mike Chitty

http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/

Marie, You seem to have taken to Wavertree like a duck to water!

Marie, You seem to have taken to Wavertree like a duck to water!

Hahahaha, the history about Monks Well as like very interesting, but I cannot understand somethings about it. Its a place a bit misterious and woke up my interesting about it.

I like this area too much, coz Its very calm, are not sounds, are shops, pubs, a lot of buses, ...

Bilbao has got very tall building, and u have not got space. Its good to live in a house, not in a flat, with ur vital space!! and could listen the birds in the morning... and I am fascinating with the green areas near me, The Mistery, Childwall Woods, National Wildflower, ...

Marie, You seem to have taken to Wavertree like a duck to water!

It proves how bad arse my homeland Is.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

It proves how bad arse my homeland Is.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

This proves that we are good persons in this area. Because we have adopted Max and even we leave him to live here!! :PDT_Piratz_26:

I am adopted? :eek:

I am adopted? :eek:

Was a joke Max!! adopted/admit in this area... I am sorry if u are hungry! was a joke, not more!!

If I was adopted then I would want feeding by my adopted parent.:PDT10

If I was adopted then I would want feeding by my adopted parent.:PDT10

No, no, no!! We (Wavertree´s people) adopted u in our area!!! :PDT10

Where is possible to find more info about the Monks Well? Thanx!!

Where is possible to find more info about the Monks Well? Thanx!!

Marie, the best way to find out more about Wavertree's History is to join the Wavertree Society:

http://www.liverpool.ndo.co.uk/wavsoc/

You can also buy their book

http://www.liverpool.ndo.co.uk/wavsoc/books/page2.html

The society have also produced a one page brief history of the Monks' Well which was re-published in their Wavertree Spotlights series Volume 2 1995-1999.

Marie, the best way to find out more about Wavertree's History is to join the Wavertree Society:

http://www.liverpool.ndo.co.uk/wavsoc/

You can also buy their book

http://www.liverpool.ndo.co.uk/wavsoc/books/page2.html

The society have also produced a one page brief history of the Monks' Well which was re-published in their Wavertree Spotlights series Volume 2 1995-1999.

Thanx Taffy!! Its a fantastic and mistery history.

TWO more city communities have been selected for week-long crackdowns on anti-social behaviour. Plans were unveiled yesterday to take truants off the streets and blitz rundown streets in the Picton area of Wavertree and the Greenbank district, near Sefton Park. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=crackdown-on-yobs-moves-to-new-areas%26method=full%26objectid=19357715%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html)

The yobs by Greenbank hang outside the Tesco mostly.

They get chased away by Security then come back or run Into choices away from Security.

TWO more city communities have been selected for week-long crackdowns on anti-social behaviour. Plans were unveiled yesterday to take truants off the streets and blitz rundown streets in the Picton area of Wavertree and the Greenbank district, near Sefton Park. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=crackdown-on-yobs-moves-to-new-areas%26method=full%26objectid=19357715%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html)

This area by Smithdown Rd is in the parish of Mossley Hill Parish Church, St Matthew and St James. Time for the congregation to pray for the poor souls of these youths.

TWO more city communities have been selected for week-long crackdowns on anti-social behaviour. Plans were unveiled yesterday to take truants off the streets and blitz rundown streets in the Picton area of Wavertree and the Greenbank district, near Sefton Park. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=crackdown-on-yobs-moves-to-new-areas%26method=full%26objectid=19357715%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html)

This area by Smithdown Rd is in the parish of Mossley Hill Parish Church, St Matthew and St James. Time for the congregation to pray for the poor souls of these youths.

Sad indeed, Kev and Taffy. . . :(

Chris