Go-ahead to bulldoze homes

THE Government has given the go-ahead for a Compul-sory Purchase Order (CPO) to bulldoze homes in Wavertree, Liverpool.

The streets included in the CPO are Scholar Street, Mulliner Street, Underley Street, Cantsfield Street and half of Tunstall Street.

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Actually Edge Hill !! Let's hope these new houses look better in 20 years than the new ones built just up Smithdown road during the last demolition and rebuild project in this area.

Thanks Taffy :)

Nice to hear common sense prevailed in the end, lets hope the government does what it had promised to do and give back power to local authorities, the same that is had happend here is the cause of a smilar situation in Lime street too. If a whole community had stood up against something then yes I agree, but for one or two individuals or even companys for that matter then sadly something has to be wrong, remember majority rule, I do hope that all those that move out get a good deal, but lets not be greedy and ask for hiper inflated prices. Lovely keep sake photographs, and remember regarding any homes, its how you look after them, just like your own health.
kat:)

The council has run this area down over the last four years. Any homes that have become vacant have been purposely left to rot. Most of the owner occupiers are against demolition, the majority of the people in the area who get homes easily either from the council or housing associations don't care what happens as they will be rehoused. Note, I did say the majority not all.
Owner occupiers, will not find it so easy to find affordable homes as solid as these houses. I know of two houses in these streets which became vacant over two years ago, one of then the tenant sadly died leaving a beautiful three bedroomed home which a family could have moved into staight away. The other one equally beatiful, the tenants moved out of Liverpool because of thier jobs, this was another house where a family could have moved into, Believe me there were plenty of faminlies who would have been happy to move in, but NO the council decided to let them rot. I can't understand it, the council could have been collecting rent from these houses for over two years.
There are other houses which will come under phase two of the CPO'S
(which is supposed to be 5 years away) left empty.Why can't the council let these houses out and collect rent from them, I'm not talking about the houses where a lot of money would have to be spent to bring them up to standard, I'm talking about the ones which need just a bit of cleaning up to be habitable.

Chris, people run down areas not councils, yes perhaps funding has been a bit short on street maintainance, with regards to your idea about doing some up cheaply until the time comes up for demolition the only problem with that is the cpo process all over again. Whilst I do feel for those that have lost their homes, the majority opted to take the money and run, I am not sure of all the ins and outs of this project, but certainly in early stages alot of people I spoke too were very keen to get onboard with it. Housing associations are strictly governed by the housing corporation, in order to maintain funding for future projects housing associations are governed by what is termed as the "decent homes standard", this standard is set very high.
kat
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Scholar Street

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Mulliner Street

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Underley street

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Cantsfield Street

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My old house on Cantsfield now used as an office of some sort?

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Tunstall Street

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All images taken from the smithdown road end.

I pass those streets twice a day every day going to and from work, and to be honest I'd never noticed how tatty some of them looked, though some of the places on Smithdown Rd itself could do with tidying up, especially all the closed-down shops.

Any indications as to what will happen with the land when they've been knocked down? Lots of bulldozed sites around now with nothing happening.

I now sing In the Ghetto by Elvis when riding past those places.

Smithdown cycles Is great when I need a new Innertube on my bike.

I think they let the land settle for a while, they did that not far from here, then start building work. I dont know the areas in the picture but no doubt it will be for housing and new street scaping, I would hope.
kat:)

Excellent pics again, many thanks.

Actually Edge Hill !! Let's hope these new houses look better in 20 years than the new ones built just up Smithdown road during the last demolition and rebuild project in this area.

I agree. They are horrid. The whole area between Earle Road and Spekeland Road is an example of how not to rejuvenate an area. Earle Road used to be like a continuation of Lawrence Road, maybe slightly rougher but not too dissimilar. Look at it now. Lawrence Road has its problems and the usual over supply of empty shops but it's still full of character and tied into the wider community of south Liverpool. The estate towards the top of Earle Road plus those in the Smithdown Lane area always feel like self-contained no-go areas to me.

One of the worst outcomes of community redevelopment is when you see a wide road that used to have 3 - 4 storey properties on either side suddenly transformed into a wide road flanked by bungalows and semis (with the electricity and gas metres on the outside). It feels wrong and such low population density coupled with low disposable incomes soon sees off any remaining shops. These get boarded up and then after a few years of water damage, demolished and then if such areas are really lucky a Netto/Aldi/Lidl appears. I'm not sure what the next stage is, probably perpetual flatlining until the newbuilds are demolished for the cycle to start all over again.

Oh and this is for all you people running down Smithdown Road!

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This is what I think of Smithdown Road:PDT_Aliboronz_11:

Chris, people run down areas not councils, yes perhaps funding has been a bit short on street maintainance, with regards to your idea about doing some up cheaply until the time comes up for demolition the only problem with that is the cpo process all over again. Whilst I do feel for those that have lost their homes, the majority opted to take the money and run, I am not sure of all the ins and outs of this project, but certainly in early stages alot of people I spoke too were very keen to get onboard with it. Housing associations are strictly governed by the housing corporation, in order to maintain funding for future projects housing associations are governed by what is termed as the "decent homes standard", this standard is set very high.
kat
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you are wrong here especially in the Edge Lane Area the houses have been deliberately emptied by the council ina sort of social cleansing, any dereliction is directly the result of a land grab, the people there are being offered £58,000 to move out while the houses they are building on Tunnel Road cost £120,000,

The original CPO which Liz Pascoe fought and stopped was on the grounds that the area was under used, which the High Court said wasnt true, despite this the Liverpool Land and Dev company still claim it was techincality. They now claim the new CPO is because the houses are empty when they have actually emptied them. I contacted LLDC to ask about appealing against the CPO and I was told that I couldnt, which was a total porky pie.

look at my blog and look at this press release to see what's happening to the people by big business Its a rip off

http://stevefaragher.wordpress.com/2007/07/25/bit-of-a-flap-on-edge-lane-or-streets-of-shame/

www.publicinterestlawyers.co.uk/uploaded_documents/pascoepressrelease241106.doc

I dont think its about social cleansing at all, and your pointing out the cost of new build propertys agains the value of old housing stock which is in a run down area. Most of the residents I came across in the kensington area were in favor a few years back of improving the area. It became a no go spot, no one wanted to move in and so this lead to further derliction problems.
so, how would you resolve things then? do you think that council tax payers should pay council tax money to improve your properties? alot of home owners either abandoned their properties or sub let them in applauling conditions to tenants. New regulations on the letting of properties came into effect this year, they are termed the decent homes standard. With regards to the council letting run down propertys get into a worse condition, thats up to people in the local area to contact the environmental health department, they have a legal obligation to make properties safe.
I am sorry for the odd one or two that wished to stay in that area, but it would seem the majority moved out now whether the going rate of £58-00 was enough for a property of that value in a run down are was fair I cannot really comment.
kat
but it would be interesting to hear your points? for example how would you go about resolving the issues? people have proven that they did not wish to live in the area because so many propertys became derlict. There were many landlords runing sub standard cheap and cheerfull propertys that today would not get passed the new regulations.
or would you just leave the area run down? or do you feel the council should pay to do up your homes, and if so, why do you feel that council tax payers should foot the bill to maintaine private housing stock?
do you think you should have free new houses?

I dont think its about social cleansing at all, and your pointing out the cost of new build propertys agains the value of old housing stock which is in a run down area. Most of the residents I came across in the kensington area were in favor a few years back of improving the area. It became a no go spot, no one wanted to move in and so this lead to further derliction problems.
so, how would you resolve things then? do you think that council tax payers should pay council tax money to improve your properties? alot of home owners either abandoned their properties or sub let them in applauling conditions to tenants. New regulations on the letting of properties came into effect this year, they are termed the decent homes standard. With regards to the council letting run down propertys get into a worse condition, thats up to people in the local area to contact the environmental health department, they have a legal obligation to make properties safe.
I am sorry for the odd one or two that wished to stay in that area, but it would seem the majority moved out now whether the going rate of £58-00 was enough for a property of that value in a run down are was fair I cannot really comment.
kat
but it would be interesting to hear your points? for example how would you go about resolving the issues? people have proven that they did not wish to live in the area because so many propertys became derlict. There were many landlords runing sub standard cheap and cheerfull propertys that today would not get passed the new regulations.
or would you just leave the area run down? or do you feel the council should pay to do up your homes, and if so, why do you feel that council tax payers should foot the bill to maintaine private housing stock?
do you think you should have free new houses?

the truth is seven years ago all sorts of promises were made to the people of Kensington in that they were promised ato be consulted on the new houses, this hasnt happened and Bellway the developers wont build any hosues until the place is cleared which means there is little chance that the people who lived there and want to stay in Kensington will be the ones who buy the new houses, for a start off they wont be able to afford them and the houses being built on Tunnel road are tiny especially for the price, people really havent had a choice about moving out. And any profit that is being made is going into the pcokets of Bellway and LLDC. The answer would have been to set up a communtiy social enterprise called a Community Land Trust,

http://www.communitylandtrust.org.uk/

any profit which would ahve been made would have been re-invested in the community.Council tax payers are currently paying about a grand a year on security for each house, the council is loosing millions in lost council taxt and rents, not a good deal is it-diplaced and destroyed communities, fat cats getting fatter and dodgey little expensive houses.

Steve, you havent really said how you would resovle these issues? Yes, naturally the developers wish to maximise land available by building more energy efficient smaller homes, that cost less to heat.The layout that exists was probably fine years ago but doesnt reflect todays modern day way of liveing, eg, car parking spaces. I was under the impression that some of the homes did come under the right to buy a kind of joint partnership? maybe this changed I dont know. But it makes common sense yes that the prices of new build propertys are going to cost more money, it may also improve council tax banding, which has always been a problem in Liverpool due to its large derliction spots. I thought some of the housing was going to be social housing too? (housing association to you and me)?
I know several years back when we did a consultation alot of the residents were very keen to get onboard. This consortium that you point too why dont they buy some of the housing stock back? and do it that way??
But, i seriously thought their was social housing. Its a difficult call really, I mean the council needs to improve an area and thus perhaps raise the council tax banding or at least bring an area back into use so as not to have so much redundant vandalised stock. I think starting again really is the best way forwards, better layouts taking into account the fact that there are more car owners? New housing generally is cheaper to run and has a higher thermal value which translates into more affordable fuel bills.
Like I have posted I am sorry for the few that wished to remain in there homes, but my recollection of the place was that there was alot of boarded up houses and high vandalism, plus according to health statistics for that area, the housing stock was called into question in how it was affecting that populations health. They also looked at other issues such as employment, and crime before coming to the conclusion that the area needed a re jig to make it a more pleasant place to live.
I am not sure where you get a profit margin from? social housing cannot make a profit, most social housing associations usually carry the logo not for profit, meaning if they make a profit they do not qualify for grants from the housing corporation. The paradox of all this is sustainability and building homes that people want, and dont vandalise, my understanding is that there are a number of partner agencys offering social housing in that area as it is.
the right to buy under shared ownership has also existed for many years so not sure why the link you provide seems to point to it in the way that it does, every housing association tenant has the right to buy unless they are in listed propertys or in a scheme where it wouldnt be practicle.
Buying land that doesnt increase in value i cannot see how that would work
kat
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But it makes common sense yes that the prices of new build propertys are going to cost more money,

They won't last anywhere near as long as the old ones though,the plder houses are solid, built to last. I,ve been in one bellway home as a visitor, I could hear the person next door using the loo,they are may look nice (that depends on what you call nice)but they will cost a hell of a lot more to maintain.

let's say for example the council homesteaded the hosues ie sold them very cheaply to a community land trust, the CLT could borrow money (Charity bank are wiling to lend on this type of venture I have checked this out with this bank) and the houses were renovated the cost of purchase and renovation would be around the £50k mark, the houses would have a market value of circa £100,000+.

They could then be sold affordabley for £80,000 to local people or people who want to live in Kensington, there could be conditions that buyers cant resell except to the land trusts for the first five years, after that there;s a sliding scale of repayment of profit from sales to CLT thereafter up to the tenth year. The Ecology building society will arrange mortgages on schemes like this

This deters speculators buy to let etc etc.

The CLT always owns the land (which should rise in value) and makes £30k per house form the sales to be reinvested in other housing or socially relevant schemes. the wealth is produced in the community and stays there.

The CLT website cites many examples in the UK and further afield of this type of scheme doing just this.

The local housing association are trying a similar scheme with a 25% discount on half finished houses but they area still costing £75,000! Although the profit from this scheme doesnt go back into the communtiy and the hosues in question are in an area that was deemed unsusainable and had been CPOd until the council changed their mind.

If absolutely nothing had been done to the area (edge lane CPO) it would have become sustainable and recovered just through market forces, ie the market has risen all over Kensington, empty derelict boarded up houses are going for £70000 all the time, so even the £58,000 is derisory.

The councill seem to be hell bent on the edge lane CPO and seem to not have a plan B especially its very strange the way given the market has improved they dotn seem to be able to be flexible, funny innit?

the market has been improved like all things due to the speculation that the area is up and comming thats only natural, before this the value was not so high, I have seen simlar instances over here on the wirral where people get wind of an area that is ripe for development and then they buy into the derlict propertys waiting to make a killing, fortunatly wirral council are years ahead in their planning and usually sell the land well in advance to avoid problems like the edge lane experience. The idea around what your links go to is nothing new housing associations have been doing this for years but there is very strict critria, for example if they refurbish old housing stock, they cannot sell it on or demolish it (until recently) until the projected life of the housing stock has ceased. All housing stock has a "shelf life" this is between twenty and thirty years, after this time housing stock may be considered not viable for renewal, due to failure of components or a change in the building regulations/ EU guidance, (such as the decent homes standard) once housing stock is beyond its twenty/thirty years then a feasbility study is created to see how much it would cost to bring the property up to standard, taking into account (sustainablity) and the fact that housing associations are limited to what they can charge for rental or resale (due to governmental contractual obligations in obtaining the grant (housing corp regs) I think rental is 1% over r/p/i. thats why generally housing associations seldom make profits. why doesnt the scheme your talking about work of a simpler idea of letting home owners keep their homes but assist them in bringing them up to a decent standard? through some form of shared finance scheme? incidentally if home owners let their housing stock fall into very bad condition over here on the wirral, the council would issue a letter advising them to bring it up to standard, if they failed to bring their home up to a safe standard then the council would take them to court and do the works themselfs and charge back or recover the fees of the works by selling the propertys to recover the loss.
kat:)

iCLTs could worked with shared finance but alas and alack the LLDc and the council have scattered the majority of the people.

At the moment the council cant really consult people because they've got rid of them all..A CLT would by definition have to reflect the views and opinions of the community. The people were orginally offered an Eldonian type scheme, they were told that the area would be done up piecemeal, ie ten people moved out, houses demolished then the same people moved back in the new houses (houses they were supposed to have had a hand designing the spec of), as it now stands Bellway wont touch the land till every last house is vacant.
The person I know who is moving out to Walton has jsut had enough, she was a chair of one of the residents assocaition, helped set up the credit union and still runs it and until all this happened was committed nad dedicated to the area, she didnt want one of the houses on tunnel road as it is only 13 feet from front to back and cost 120k 62k short of the 58 k she's been offered. Only a very small proportion of the new houses on tunnel road are for rent, as with the minto street developments, by your argument the cost of the new houses should be affordable as they are not being built by specualtors are they? but they arent so the area is socially cleansed in this processed, not enough social housing and not enough affordable hosues to buy
It will be interesting to see how many people come back to the area who sued to live there before. The people there have been sold short, considerably short.


Housing Assocaitions do make profits, they jsut dont have share holders, ahve you seen Riverside's HQ, Berrybridges new offices, Cobalts new offices,

Hi, Steve, I would suppose the idea behind the construction companys arguments was to bring the area up to the 20th century ie, parking better lay out? We will have to wait and see of course but I was taken to beleive some of the propertys were for social housing. With regards to big houses, yes, I can understand a development company trying to maximise the ground space useage some new homes are smaller, but there also cheaper to run, large houses in that area in the past just became a poor model of social housing, (tenants letting off rooms), now with all the new regulations designed to protect tenants (decent homes standards) means that alot of un scrupulous landlords could be taken to court. (private landlords sub standard lets). The old large victorian model however nice was never cheap to run, cold damp and more often than not without proper heating or damp coursing. Riverside doesnt make a profit, I worked for the company for many years, the company by charter is not permitted to make a profit, if you go into its housing association sector, you will see the investor in people, and not for profit logos. This is because the government set capping limits on how much it could charge for rent, Riverside Group Limited was set up as the investor part of riverside so in other words riverside group do own shops ect but that is the group and not the association. The group can buy out other housing associations or can offer exchange deals, over the last few years I beleive this is what has been done, such as english churches (housing) each aquired some of the others property portfolio. With regards to the edge lane area anyway I would have thought most could not afford to even buy properties at eighty thousand pounds (if the price offered of £58-000 for their existing homes). There would be the matter of ensuring prospective buyers even at eighty could afford to pay back the eighty. Seems nice that lots of investors would invest and not wish to collect interest of their loans? I havent come across that before.
I am sure too that the new layout will be to help design crime out, which was another request that was made when the origional concept was being talked about.
cpos are nothing new, yes they are sad but in some ways it seems its the only way forwards, and £58-000 isnt to be turned down lightly especially at the time before all this large investment was being pumped into the city of Liverpool. Health wise people need to live in dry warm affordable homes.
kat:)

I found that in youtube:
"1907 shots of a giant pageant in Wavertree Park"
Images r old, so r not good, but the sound is very clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53pa03ldlBs

excellent find Marie,I enjoyed watching that :PDT_Piratz_26:

Brilliant :handclap: thanks Marie.
it's lovely to see the old trams near the end of the video. I love trams, I have a few pictures on my wall of them.

Lindy, try Waterstones for a new book called Streets of Liverpool which is primarily about the buses and trams of yesteryear with some great buildings shots and street scenes I hadn't seen before.

i know this is a long shot but seeing that your talking about wavertree road can any one help me please
my grandparents lived in cambridge street, by the pubs (the bridge,leigh arms, but what i want to know is further down on the main road there is a row of old shops i dont think they have been in use for many many years can some one tell me if one of them was ever a fruit and veg shop? possibly owned by the yates family.
i would be really grateful if any one can help or have got any old photos of cambridge street
debbie

March 2007

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October 2007 (Today)

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Always sad to see any church go. And for what? Houses probably. Tunnel road is a really nice 'empty' road with nothing on either side. I know, let's bung a few houses up there. :rolleyes:

There's a church in Ashfield, Wavertree - I don't know the name of it but it's being demolished right now. It was a large church - do you know it Cadfael?

People have been going along there to salvage bits and pieces for momentos of the church.

It could be St Thomas' which is a real shame seeing as that was the second church from the original St Thomas' that Joseph Williamson is buried at.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Wavertree/StThomas.shtml

Thanks for the pix of the church Kev. I was wondering when that would go. I know part of the scheme is controversial,however I think it will put some life back into the area-it's just too quiet. Perhaps once the new houses are up,the Spekeland will re-open. Incidentally,there's a planning application to restore some of the old goods offices on the opposite side in the works-as site offices for the go-kart arena being made out of the old railway sheds next to the station. [unrelated to the other scheme to make an arts centre out of disused buildings on the station itself]

Dave.

The first 4 Streets going down the hill from Wavertree Road/Marmaduke Street junction. I'd be interested to know what the William Hill building was, as it has a certain look that doesn't fit in with the rest of the street (reminds me of Woolworths). These were taken mid-2007.

Marmaduke to Martensen
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Martensen to Cicely
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Cicely to Winifred
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Winifred to Janet
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If I'm not mistaken...The William Hill building used to bea supermarket...Crawfords I think it was.
I don't remember Blacks being on the corner as it is now.

Woolworths used to be were the Art shop is now at the top next to Taskers.

I don't know how I missed this thread...I've just spent the last 40 mins going through it!
The little buildings along Tunnel road did used to belong to coal merchants, I remember going inside one when I was a kid (They were still in use in the early 60's)..
I remember going to my oldest sisters wedding in the Church opposite them in Tunnel road (Now demolished)..About 1960!

The picturehouse "The Tunny" was my local flea pit.
I remember seeing Zulu, Battle of the Buldge, Stitch in time (Norman Wisdom) and all of the Saturday matinees there.

Such great memories!!

Picton Road (by Picton Crescent). There is a name on the right, where the brick-work differs...MARIENBU? Just wondering what it stands for.

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Marienburg by any chance??

Probably is. I was looking along Picton Road for date-stones etc, but that was the only thing that caught my eye, so far.

The home of Joseph Williamson on Mason street, or one of them anyway. The facade has been left up, supported by steels.



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One of the Waterloo Tunnel shafts just as it emerges from the back of Archbishop Blanch school, this is looking West towards the river. It seems to have been extended at the top at some point in time.



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Houses on the junction of Upper Mason Street and Irvine Street.


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Continuing up Irvine Street with St. Mary's church popping above.


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excellent :handclap:

My mate lives in that house on the corner of Upper Mason Street/Irvine Street and did most of the work himself - it was more or less a shell when he got his hands on it!

my grandad use to have his fruit and veg cart on the corner of one of them streets i cant remember which one though it might be janet street, i know it was right opposite the now police station
brilliant pictures
debbie

does anyone know which of them shops was a chippie?

The stables and goods yard.

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The dwellings for the stables/goods yard workers.

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The rear of and rooftops of the old Mason street property. Smithdown Lane police HQ are in the background.

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Shoeing a horse at Smithdown Lane stables.

I've researched in to the Stable Yard at Edge Hill and have loads of original pictures and drawings from when it was 'new' - 1860.

Have a nose at my website www.smithdownlane.com :PDT11

That's a cracking site Cad, well done for recording it :handclap:

Shoeing a horse at Smithdown Lane stables.


i've seen a 100+ horses shod but never in this way, great pic

It's better this way as you can even do it when they're asleep. ;)

It's better this way as you can even do it when they're asleep. ;)

looks like a nightmare

That's a cracking site Cad, well done for recording it :handclap:

Cheers Lad. That website was done in 48 hours with very little sleep. The land was to be auctioned off on the Monday and someone suggested that I put something on-line on the friday night as a last ditch attempt.

I e-mailed the sellers on the Sunday evening and they took it off for sale! :PDT11

The Lord Mayors cars used to be kept at the stables too. I remember seeing them in and out regularly when I worked across the road in the mid 70s.

What amazed me Cad, on one of those pics on your site, is the number of chimney pots on that block of tennies. A similiar block I lived in with 6 flats per landing only had a chimney for each flat even though there was a fire in the living room and one in the largest bedroom - so 12 fires sharing 6 chimneys. It looks like they've got a chimney per fire there though - posh or what :)

fantastic pictures

Casterton Street footy match 1978 - Edge Hill.





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that's how i remember edge hill, wavertree road etc when i was younger everywhere was derelict. you did'nt have a pot to piss in but you where happy
great picture ged

just showed my daughter who is 15 the picture/ and told her this is what we grew up around, she just said omg it's minging

I have a 15 year old daughter and a couple who are a little older. I rib them now about how spoilt they are, lifts everywhere, central heating set for 6am, pc games etc etc - they tell me 'We don't live in the olden days anymore dad'. :)

There's a church in Ashfield, Wavertree - I don't know the name of it but it's being demolished right now. It was a large church - do you know it Cadfael?

People have been going along there to salvage bits and pieces for momentos of the church.

oh how sad, I remember it well. I lived in the next street, Ash Grove for a couple of years and long before that I often played around there when part of the Grove and Wavertree Vale was a bomb site. There used to be a stone gateway at the Grosvenor Rd end of Ashfield for years and around there loads of very old stone walls. I think the whole wall was demolished in the 80's/90's.
I even remember the last old house on the Vale burning down in the 70's.

this is Plumer St where I spent the first 21 years of my life. I still wander down that way every now and again, it's embedded into my heart.

from the Picton Rd end. the first house used to be a laundrette.
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from the Grosvenor Rd end
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my old house
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happy days

ged we did live in the olden days lol
my kids asked me once (mum did you write on slate ):shock:

quincy i lived in ashfied when when i was a baby
my parents moved to grovenor road in the early 80's
they did,nt tell me they had moved i was working in the i.o.m/ i got a bloody shock when me dad met me off the boat and said (oh because your mother hated runcorn i have got her this little house)
and little it was 2 bedrooms upstairs no bathroom and a tiny kitchen
i never lived there long i think all 6 of us would have killed each other

ged we did live in the olden days lol
my kids asked me once (mum did you write on slate ):shock:

quincy i lived in ashfied when when i was a baby
my parents moved to grovenor road in the early 80's
they did,nt tell me they had moved i was working in the i.o.m/ i got a bloody shock when me dad met me off the boat and said (oh because your mother hated runcorn i have got her this little house)
and little it was 2 bedrooms upstairs no bathroom and a tiny kitchen
i never lived there long i think all 6 of us would have killed each other

we had no bathroom in Plumer St either. or a proper kitchen it was a lean to on the back with a corrugated plastic roof! Plus an outside loo. my mums boss built a wooden roof when the plastic one finally gave way after a heavy snowfall.
they were small houses, but then I didn't know any different.

my great grandma lived here in Grosvenor Rd in the late 40's early 50's
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last time I was down that way i got a couple of pics of the old fountain on Picton Rd. Does anyone remember the fire hydrant that used to be on Picton Rd between MacDonald St and Bishopgate or the Lock Shop that was on the corner of Wavertree Vale. Had a giant key above the door and was run by 2 old sisters. Right antwacky place that was.
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Paul (the Gardens) and I were up at Olive Mount Community centre again last night for a screening of his film and a display of my model.

After I'd set up I was shown around Monkswell Place flats. Built in a very arty style, I was told that a lot of the aesthetic steelwork was implemented because Cosmopolitan ran out of money and it should have been glass. Apparently it rattles in the winter, wind sweeps through there and during the last heavy snowfall, the water dripped though as it melted. Apart from that :) they look sw-anky. (don't dare tell the residents though that some may think it looks like a 21st century prison ;))




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Some of the art work on the walls and around the lifts.

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There were also a couple of pics on the wall of the community centre of Olive Mount Heights which i've added to the high rise page of my website below.
Housing Action Trust (HAT) bought these along with the rest of the citys high rise, new apartments now stand off Mill Lane in their place.

these were taken by a friend of my late dads, but sadly he didn't give him one of the front.
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here's the only pic I can find of the front. Disgraceful how it was demolished. 'accidentally on purpose' I heard. the Iceland and other units were supposed to build behind it.
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Has anyone got any idea what this is, situated between Helena St and Woodside Street. An old lock up perhaps?

I think it may be an old ventilation shaft from one of the railway tunnels that ran underneath to/from Edge Hill Station & Lime St.

I know there were some around there. they were capped off to stop people climbing and falling down them

Hi Ste,

That is a capped ventilation shaft for the Railway tunnel below. Capped off so you can't be thrown down there as it's a fair drop.

Thanks Quincyg and Nightowl

Just for clarification, it's a vent from the Waterloo Tunnel :PDT11

There are a number of these if you follow the Waterloo tunnel route, notably at Norton Street, in the grounds of Archbishop Blanch school, Crown street,
Mason Street and of course the one pictured (off the top of my head). The others are taller though and so not capped off.

Great pics...quincyg...any chance of posting a bigger version of the front of the goods yard on Wavertree/Tunnel Rd.?

I was brought up about 100 yards from that on Wavertree Rd. Brings back lots of memories.

Great pics...quincyg...any chance of posting a bigger version of the front of the goods yard on Wavertree/Tunnel Rd.?

I was brought up about 100 yards from that on Wavertree Rd. Brings back lots of memories.

that's the full size for that sadly. I've got loads of local history books, there's bound to be a pic in one of them. will have a look and scan one in.

my gt grandparents and gtgt grandparents lived around there until about 1915.
Lilac Grove, off Thorburn St/Crosfield Rd off Durning Rd and an uncle lived in Martensen St.

that's the full size for that sadly. I've got loads of local history books, there's bound to be a pic in one of them. will have a look and scan one in.

my gt grandparents and gtgt grandparents lived around there until about 1915.
Lilac Grove, off Thorburn St/Crosfield Rd off Durning Rd and an uncle lived in Martensen St.

Cheers mate,

I remember Crosfield Road very well...There was a great "Chippy" down there, Happy Days!

just had a quick shufty and found this one in Liverpool-our city-our heritage.

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I'm off out with my camera for a bit so will have another look later. Will rope my hubby in to go through the books as there's so many of them.

just had a quick shufty and found this one in Liverpool-our city-our heritage.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/Picture100.jpg

I'm off out with my camera for a bit so will have another look later. Will rope my hubby in to go through the books as there's so many of them.

Aww!...That's great....Thank you very much for your trouble.
It's very much appreciated.:handclap:

been going through my local history books and found this fab pic from the Liverpool Show.
This is in the days when it was really good. the last one I went to in the 90's was rubbish. seemed to be mostly stalls selling clothes.

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(Images of Merseyside Liverpool Echo book)

been going through my local history books and found this fab pic from the Liverpool Show.
This is in the days when it was really good. the last one I went to in the 90's was rubbish. seemed to be mostly stalls selling clothes.

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(Images of Liverpool book)

They had the first space module that went to the moon there in 1971. The first time it went outside the USA (besides the moon)

Good interview with Leonard Rossiter here from 1970. He was brought up in Edge Hill/Wavertree area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2006/12/29/local_history_watch_listen_one_feature.shtml

Good interview with Leonard Rossiter here from 1970. He was brought up in Edge Hill/Wavertree area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2006/12/29/local_history_watch_listen_one_feature.shtml

excellent stuff. never knew he went to same infant school as me...not at the same time obviously.

He also lived in speke.It was either Greyhound farm road or Goldfinch farm road.

I was told that Leonard Rossiter was born or lived in the "Railway Inn" on Wellington Road.
BBC link wont work for me! I'll try another time.

They had the first space module that went to the moon there in 1971. The first time it went outside the USA (besides the moon)

Yeah, that was the Apollo (10 I think)space capsule...The Show was actually attended by "Bill Anders" One of the first 3 men to go into Lunar orbit in Apollo 8...Christmas 1968...Happy days
Can't imagine another Lunar Astronaut coming back to Liverpool.

I was told that Leonard Rossiter was born or lived in the "Railway Inn" on Wellington Road.
BBC link wont work for me! I'll try another time.

no that was actor Norman Rossington http://tv.cream.org/specialassignments/films/hallpics/rossington.jpgwho lived there. Leonard lived in Cretan Rd before moving to Toxteth.

no that was actor Norman Rossington http://tv.cream.org/specialassignments/films/hallpics/rossington.jpgwho lived there. Leonard lived in Cretan Rd before moving to Toxteth.

I aways thought Norman was from the North End. He was Cup Cake in the Army Game.

no that was actor Norman Rossington http://tv.cream.org/specialassignments/films/hallpics/rossington.jpgwho lived there. Leonard lived in Cretan Rd before moving to Toxteth.

He eventually lived in Tuscan Close Widnes.

His dad was a publican so he may well have been in a pub in the North of the city at one time or other. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

took these of the old barracks on Wellington Rd on Tuesday. My dad was based here during his TA service many years ago. :PDT1

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excellent pics cheers :handclap:

was rummaging through a box of photos and found these . there was a local history event where the lock up was open for the day. must be mid 90's as it was before my dad died and I took them for him as he was too ill to go.

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quite shocked when going down Picton Rd on the bus on Friday to see Wavertree Labour Club had been demolished.

My paternal grandad use to be in a concert party that did shows there, and my maternal one collected union dues there for years.

Most of Wavertree Road has been demolished. It's a joke.

We've now lost the Botanic (which was lovely in its time) and now the Bridge Inn Pub.

Why not just concrete everything between Liverpool City Centre and the Rocket and have done with?? :rolleyes:

Anyone know what is happening to Mount vernon green when 'Edfge lane west' is completed. By my reckoning, they are going to have to widen the road along north view if they are to make it 2 lanes in each direction so edge lane can continue down instead of having to go around the church down irvine street or along hall lane and that must mean part of the green going. Anyone know anything about it?
thanks