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Kev

08-29-2006, 05:02 PM

Merseyside's Polish community has worked quietly in the background for the past two years, but suddenly everyone wants to know what they are doing and who they are working for.

Mr Tomasiak, who runs the Polish Food Store on Picton Road, in Wavertree, and owns two more in London, says he has never claimed benefits, rarely takes a holiday, and has never taken a job from under the nose of a native.

He said: "If we didn't work, we couldn't stay here.

"People have been saying we have taken these jobs away from local people, but these jobs have always been there.

"If people in this county wanted them, companies wouldn't have advertised in Poland for people to come over here and work.

"The jobs are there. Half the bus drivers in the city are from Poland."

Arriva Buses has come under fire for employing Polish workers over local job seekers and then paying them a lower wage to boot, an allegation which the company strongly denies.

Spokesman Derek Bowes said last night: "Arriva took on a number of Polish drivers in Merseyside up to the end of last year to supplement local recruitment, successfully filling a short-term shortage and enabling us to maintain a reliable service for our customers.

"While we have had no difficulty in recruiting drivers from the local labour force this year, many of the Polish drivers, who are employed on exactly the same pay and conditions as all our drivers, continue to be happily employed by us.

"We feel that along with our local drivers they provide a valuable contribution to Arriva and the local economy in general."

Sebastian Ody produces the North West's only Polish newspaper, Nasz Kontakt, and lives in Runcorn with his father.

He says Polish people unable to get jobs in their native country are prepared to take on work English people are not, though he has come across some cases of exploitation.

As well as his newspaper, he has built his own business, ODAjj Company Ltd, offering financial and careers advice to Poles who have emigrated to England.

On top of that, the 31-year-old works as a home carer, another industry that suffers from a national shortage.

He said: "There are cases when Polish people are paid less. I had to help my father leave a job because it was happening to him. "But, mostly, we are prepared to take on work, because we have to. "I was well educated in Poland. I studied computers, but I found it very difficult to get a job. Here I found work very quickly.

"It is the capital of opportunities, after one week you can buy something and within a month, something bigger.

"I love Poland as it is my home, but the good thing about this country is if you cannot start improving yourself, you must leave."

Mr Ody's newspaper carries adverts for jobs such as care assistants and skilled construction workers.

Eastern European accents are frequently heard on the city's construction sites, with some even displaying Polish safety signs.

That has frustrated many local workers who say they are struggling to find jobs because Polish crews will work for less.

But Cllr Flo Clucas, Liverpool's executive member for economic development and Europe, said: "There is a skills shortage in Liverpool and immigrants who work on the construction sites do a valuable job for the city.

"We have a falling birth rate and the economy requires them. Workers from Eastern European companies have been filling vital gaps in all areas, not just construction, including the transport system and the health service."

The Home Office says that 427,000 East European immigrants have come to Britain in just two years.

And at least another 100,000 self-employed workers - many of them Polish builders - are thought to be in the UK without having registered.

Birkenhead MP Frank Field, who is one of Parliament's most vociferous campaigners in the bid to tighten controls before Bulgaria and Romania join the EU, said: "The Government's announcement at the weekend to restrict access to Bulgarian and Romanian workers to the British labour market is welcome and shows a degree of courage.

"But this move should be the first step in a new strategy to defend Britain's borders. Free access to our labour market for all accession countries has to be reconsidered.

"We cannot allow the current position - where workers themselves in accession countries decide how many will come here - to continue.

"The Government estimated that between 5,000 and 13,000 new workers would arrive in 2004. The revised figures put the total at over 600,000. With an open borders policy, the British Government simply cannot know how many new workers will arrive."

The influx of workers from Eastern Europe has increased the UK's dwindling population, but it is uncertain whether the migrants are here to stay.

Many of the Polish workers currently in Merseyside are likely to make the region their home, but many more will probably return to Poland.

Merseyside has an historic Polish community, which has fluctuated massively over the years.

For half a century, Polish worshippers have been attending a weekly Mass at Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral each Sunday, but five years ago the congregation had dwindled to just 20.

Now, more than 400 Poles attend the services held by Father Soska. He said: "People who had been coming for many years passed away and grew old and frail and there were no new people.

"In the past two years, the congregation has been growing every week..

"They are happy here and some of them want to make it their permanent home, but many want to one day return to Poland.

"The congregation grows bigger but the faces in it are always changing."

Stop immigration and you stop building houses, schools, hospitals, roads and offices, says ex-CBI chief

ALARM bells have been ringing about the unexpected floods of immigrants from Eastern Europe.

But the former director-general of the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) Sir Digby Jones provided a voice of reason in a letter to a national newspaper.

He said: "They come here, take our jobs, sponge off the state, wish they'd go home.

"A familiar cry of ignorant prejudice but also an understandable feeling of insecurity in frightening times. Generalisations are dangerous.

"It also risks permanently damaging one of the country's greatest assets. For around the world, the UK is seen as a tolerant and fair-minded place, increasing our stock of goodwill upon which business depends."

He said Eastern European immigrants had filled vital roles and since 2004, the country had employed 11,500 care workers, 1,400 teachers and classroom assistants, 1,750 doctors and nurses and 5,700 bus drivers.

Sir Digby continued: "Stop immigration and you stop building houses, schools, hospitals, roads and offices in the UK.

"If 'they' were to 'go home', you can forget this year's harvest in our fields. In a tourism industry that contributes some 8% of the nation's wealth, 17% of the workforce was not born in the UK.

"Britain is wealthier because of immigration." Only the UK, Sweden and

Ireland showed by their actions that they were true Europeans.

"Just like the French, we have a PPP - Polish Plumber Problem - it''s just that we don't have enough of them.

"You cannot blame a migrant for being prepared to work hard for the minimum wage. It is not the migrant's fault that so many in western Europe have become lazy, complacent and picky.

"The world does not owe us a living - the world is our living."

'Hire the right person for the job' - but poor literacy and numeracy mean it may not be the Liverpudlian

THE chief executive of Liverpool's Chamber of Commerce last night said low levels of literacy and numeracy has forced employers to take on immigrants.

Mr Stopforth said employers should discriminate against neither local or migrants, but should hire the right person for the job.

He said: "Overall, the employment rate in Liverpool is quite good, but unacceptable levels of literacy and numeracy mean it is difficult to reach full employment.

"The further education and training system needs to be improved to keep our own workforce in employment.

"Responsible employers don't want to see a division in their workforce or cut off opportunities for local people, but there are times when it is difficult to find suitable local people."

Mr Stopforth welcomed the influx of Eastern Europeans to Liverpool in the last two years.

He said: "This is the first wave of immigration we have had for many years because it is the first time there has been the work to attract the people. We should embrace it.

Mr Stopforth, who insisted the Chamber only supports the employment of legal, registered immigrants added: "There are tremendous benefits. The workforce is getting younger and fitter.

"The construction sector is so vibrant at the moment and these skilled people are needed, but there are potential downsides in the long term for Liverpool's economy.

"When European countries themselves become more prosperous, their countries will benefit from the same sort of grants that helped Liverpool prosper, such as Objective 1, they are likely to go back to their home countries."

Mr Stopforth warned that any signs of exploiting the new influx of Eastern European workers will not be taken lightly by the chamber.

He said: "We have no legal power, but if an employer were mistreating immigrants, there would be political movements and peer pressure.

source (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17642990%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=poles%2dcapitalise%2d-name_page.html)...

macca

09-20-2006, 10:39 PM

Does anyone know when the weekly Polish mass is held? I was in Poland recently and went to mass there, and although I don't speak Polish the language is very beautiful and I thought I'd quite like to hear more masses in Polish. It's very relaxing to hear it, not like some languages which are agitating or annoying to the ear.

FKoE

09-20-2006, 10:48 PM

Like English :)

peewak

10-21-2006, 09:47 PM

i've worked with a few polish lads,although most people moan

about them here, they do work extremely hard in fact so hard they make us look lazy. i have never met one who is rude and obnixious, unlike some local

scallies.

Pmac

11-03-2006, 11:46 AM

Does anyone know if the Polish community have a football team team in Liverpool.I am organising a

Tournament in Liverpool next year based on the World cup and we need a team to represent Poland,we have been doing this in London for 12 years and its been

hugely succesful in bringing communities together.This year we were on TV and Poland was one of the countries that were followed for the making of the

Documentary, it can be viewed on the community channel website,its called the INNERCITY WORLD CUP ,which we held in Regents Park over 2 days in June.
So

if anyone knows of a Polish team please send me a private em and i will get in touch.
I am from Liverpool myself but we do all sorts of events over the Uk

and europe,but I think this will be perfect for Liverpool.

scouserdave

11-03-2006, 11:56 AM

Does anyone know if the Polish community have a football team team in Liverpool.I am organising a Tournament in Liverpool

next year based on the World cup and we need a team to represent Poland,we have been doing this in London for 12 years and its been hugely succesful in

bringing communities together.This year we were on TV and Poland was one of the countries that were followed for the making of the Documentary, it can be

viewed on the community channel website,its called the INNERCITY WORLD CUP ,which we held in Regents Park over 2 days in June.
So if anyone knows of a

Polish team please send me a private em and i will get in touch.
I am from Liverpool myself but we do all sorts of events over the Uk and europe,but I

think this will be perfect for Liverpool.
I do some work for amazon.co.uk and I reckon half the workforce who work in their distribution centre

just off J13 on the M1 are Polish. Cracking lads and footy mad. The girls are pretty fit too! If you can't organise a Scouse Pole team, I'll ask them. Let

me know.

Sloyne

11-03-2006, 03:00 PM

Does anyone know when the weekly Polish mass is held?Many, many years ago St. Philip Neri, on Catherine Street, held a twelve

(noon) oclock mass every Sunday and that mass, although celebrated in Latin, was sermonised in Polish and was known locally as the "Polish Mass". The Polish

(Dom Polska) White Eagle social club was (is?) located on the oposite side of Catherine Street toward the Upper Parliament Street End. They may be able to

help in your enquiry but I'm sure the Archdiocess office could give you the information.

john

11-03-2006, 10:18 PM

I saw a programme on TV a while ago

showing Catholic mass in Polish in the Catholic Cathedral in one of the rooms below the main church.

I work in Crewe which has seen a huge influx of

Poles, there has alway been poles with the Polish Social Club which has been in the town for years, but now we have Polish shops and a very active Polish

Association.
I have links with the Polish Association workers who offer advice, support and translation services.

Max

11-04-2006, 12:08 AM

I discovered that theres a Polish Food store in

Wavertree opposite Sandown lane.

Howie

11-04-2006, 11:18 PM

I

discovered that theres a Polish Food store in Wavertree opposite Sandown lane.
One opened a couple of weeks ago on Kensington opposite Holt

Road.

SteH

11-06-2006, 10:05 PM

One opened a couple of weeks ago on Kensington opposite Holt Road.

There's one on Derby Lane in Old Swan as well

SteH

11-06-2006, 10:11 PM

They've even got their own website. The pic of the waterfront could do with being

updated, or maybe they are too busy building towers to be photographing them.

http://www.liverpool.one.pl/

jahim

11-06-2006, 10:59 PM

Hi everyone,

I'm actually administrator of the Polish community website. My name is Rafal

Jachimczyk (don't even try to pronounce it lol)

It's very nice to hear some nice things about Poles in England, and Liverpool as well. We have

english speakers corner on our forum. Fell free to leave messages or anything you want

(http://www.liverpool.one.pl/forum/viewforum.php?f=7)

I can also help you with organising Polish Football team, we have couple of Lads who

are really into Footy (just let me know, please so I can start working on this).

We'll be soon updating our website, which regards to new design an

layout, but most important - we'll probably add some english content and informations.

BTW. do you really think the front picture is out of date

?

Regards,
Rafal Jachimczyk
liverpool.one.pl

Kev

11-06-2006, 11:05 PM

Hi there, thanks for signing up and making links with us. A warm welcome from all at Yo! Liverpool :)

Howie

11-06-2006, 11:32 PM

Dzień dobry jahim

jahim

11-06-2006, 11:32 PM

Dzień dobry :)

SteH

11-07-2006, 12:26 AM

Hi everyone,

I'm actually administrator of the Polish community website. My name is Rafal Jachimczyk (don't even try

to pronounce it lol)

It's very nice to hear some nice things about Poles in England, and Liverpool as well. We have english speakers corner on our

forum. Fell free to leave messages or anything you want (http://www.liverpool.one.pl/forum/viewforum.php?f=7)

I can also help you with

organising Polish Football team, we have couple of Lads who are really into Footy (just let me know, please so I can start working on this).

We'll be

soon updating our website, which regards to new design an layout, but most important - we'll probably add some english content and informations.

BTW. do you really think the front picture is out of date ?

Regards,
Rafal Jachimczyk
liverpool.one.pl

Hi, welcome to the

forum. Once you could have a picture of Liverpool and leave it for 10 years, but now the skyline is changing every ferw weeks. The picture on the site is a

good one, but there is no Unity Building or the rising Beetham West tower.

lindylou

11-07-2006, 02:46 PM

I looks ok to me.
Maybe it's not worth updating until

the waterfront is all completed. :)

Kev

11-07-2006, 04:44 PM

I looks ok to me.
Maybe it's not worth updating until the waterfront is all completed. :)

One new pic every week should

do it :)

jahim

11-07-2006, 05:27 PM

Good Evening Everybody,

Does anyone know anything about Polish

immigration to the Merseyside during World War II ?
I'm quite interested in this topic as my Great-Grand Father was Pilot in the Battle of Britain ( He

was dropping bombs over Dresden in Germany, he is buried on the cemetery in Blackpool)

I would like to write an article about this to our portal and

maybe some newspaper

Many Thanks,
Rafal

shytalk

11-07-2006, 07:33 PM

jahim,
In the 60's i worked in Granby St. in my mothers grocery shop. At about 16/18, I'm not too sure of

the number a Polish man called Eddie had a rotisserie chicken shop. I never knew his last name, He was always dressed in a suit and wore a tie, very smart

appearance. I was told he was in the R.A.F. during WW2 but he wasn't very talkative about it. That's all I know about him, he was very polite and friendly

when spoken to and he spoke perfect English but he kept himself to himself.

jahim

11-08-2006, 06:47 PM

Shytalk,

Thank you for this Valuable information. I guess that all traces are coming to Blackpool, which during WWII became the depot for Polish aircrew.

Many Thanks,
Rafal

Ps. I found this address very useful : http://www.polandinexile.com/

Motorhemp

11-09-2006, 01:22 AM

There's a Polish guy called Patryk Bednarski living in Liverpool at the moment. He does photography and I've used him a few times for projects. He seems talented and is a thoroughly nice guy.

If I've done this right there are a couple of photo's attached one of Ormalu from 'Heads of State' a now defunct Liverpool band (ok I was in it) which I think is superb and the other a black a white photo of the Dream Space environment which was subsequently involved in tragedy. It was a very colourful environment and Patryk chose to work in black and white to emphasise the human side of it which I thought was unusual - especially if you've seen other peoples photos of this environment - I just like the shots...

PhilipG

11-09-2006, 08:27 PM

Don't know if this has anything to do with the Polish community, but I saw it in Lark Lane Today.

The Masonic has been painted BLACK and renamed.
I was so shocked, I forgot to take a photo. :eek:

Pmac

11-10-2006, 11:07 AM

I do some work for amazon.co.uk and I reckon half the workforce who work in their distribution centre just off J13 on the M1 are Polish. Cracking lads and footy mad. The girls are pretty fit too! If you can't organise a Scouse Pole team, I'll ask them. Let me know.

Thanks and I might be in touch if we cant get a team from within the Liverpool area.

Ivy

11-16-2006, 11:48 PM

Hello :nod:

I'm Polish and I started to lauhg when I've read:

... they do work extremely hard in fact so hard they make us look lazy...

....but. Some of young lads are extremely lazy and some are not. It depands. I personally know many Englishmen who work harder than I.... but I can't describe myself LAZY. So, don't worry. :celb (23):

Have you been wandering why are we so hard working?????

Waterways

11-17-2006, 10:10 AM

Hello :nod:

I'm Polish and I started to lauhg when I've read:

....but. Some of young lads are extremely lazy and some are not. It depands. I personally know many Englishmen who work harder than I.... but I can't describe myself LAZY. So, don't worry. :celb (23):

Have you been wandering why are we so hard working?????

Exchange rate. The more pounds they earn the more it gets them in Poland. 5 years over here and they go back very well off.

john

12-06-2006, 11:22 PM

Contact for Polish Association in Crewe

http://www.polskiecrewe.co.uk

christy

12-08-2006, 10:47 AM

Pmac

03-08-2007, 10:59 AM

Does anyone know if the Polish community have a football team team in Liverpool.I am organising a Tournament in Liverpool next year based on the World cup and we need a team to represent Poland,we have been doing this in London for 12 years and its been hugely succesful in bringing communities together.This year we were on TV and Poland was one of the countries that were followed for the making of the Documentary, it can be viewed on the community channel website,its called the INNERCITY WORLD CUP ,which we held in Regents Park over 2 days in June.
So if anyone knows of a Polish team please send me a private em and i will get in touch.
I am from Liverpool myself but we do all sorts of events over the Uk and europe,but I think this will be perfect for Liverpool.

We are now looking for a football team to represent Poland in our Tournament,it is taking place at Wavertree Park on Saturday 31st June 2007.I have sent Rafal private em's but have had no reply,so if someone would like to enter a team please PM me and Ill get in touch.

scouserdave

03-08-2007, 11:21 AM

Thanks and I might be in touch if we cant get a team from within the Liverpool area.
Offer's still standing. I know loads of Polish lads. And girls, if you want to organise a Ladies match:PDT_Piratz_26:

Ged

03-08-2007, 12:19 PM

To be honest, to me, the original posting make depressing reading and certain things are just glossed over.

SteH

04-02-2007, 01:59 PM

There was an article in the Daily Mail on Saturday about popular Polish brands now being made available in the big supermarkets. As the usually xenophobic Mail articles go it was reasonably balanced, but its true context could be seen in a story a few pages earlier. That bemoaned the number of eastern European workers that are undercutting British unskilled labourers and the whole undertone of the articles became "they are taking over and doing us out of jobs and replacing our products in the shops, send them all back".

A.D.W

04-02-2007, 05:58 PM

john

04-02-2007, 06:08 PM

So it is alright for the bosses to bring these Poles over and for British working man to have his wages undercut? And yes I would have no problem sending them back.

:disgust:

Alot of Poles are filling jobs that local people won't do, local people have also got to change their work ethos as the polish people put the locals to shame, ask any employer who has employed Poles. (yes they are cheaper labour as well that might influence the reply)
The house by me has had an extension built by poles, they work every day and it has gone up in no time, that won't happen with most local labour.
Good luck to them the opportunities are out there for all, maybe all the Brits in Spain, Oz, NZ and elsewhere should be sent back home.

A.D.W

04-02-2007, 06:13 PM

Alot of Poles are filling jobs that local people won't do, local people have also got to change their work ethos as the polish people put the locals to shame, ask any employer who has employed Poles. (yes they are cheaper labour as well that might influence the reply)

Spoken like a globalist! What about school leavers who can't get a job? Are they too lazy to take the two bob an hour jobs?

The house by me has had an extension built by poles, they work every day and it has gone up in no time, that won't happen with most local labour.

No doubt the Poles work hard, but it is a shame that you feel the need to say local people do not work as hard. Sounds a little racist to me.

Good luck to them the opportunities are out there for all, maybe all the Brits in Spain, Oz, NZ and elsewhere should be sent back home.

:)

john

04-02-2007, 06:17 PM

john

04-02-2007, 06:26 PM

[QUOTE=A. D. Williams;48950]Spoken like a globalist! What about school leavers who can't get a job? Are they too lazy to take the two bob an hour jobs?

School leavers can get jobs, the problem is they have got competition now.

No doubt the Poles work hard, but it is a shame that you feel the need to say local people do not work as hard. Sounds a little racist to me.

Racist whats racist, I would say the Repatriation is racist. Its the Poles turn this week, whos next?

Give you an example, local employer wants 20 workers, 9.00am next day you will have 21 waiting for a job, waiting for the minibus and they will be there the next day, there is a hunger to succeed, most will go back with money to start afresh in Poland, some local young people can't be arsed getting out of bed.
Thats not all young people and thats not all local people there are loads that do work hard.

lindylou

04-02-2007, 07:44 PM

Alot of Poles are filling jobs that local people won't do, local people have also got to change their work ethos as the polish people put the locals to shame, ask any employer who has employed Poles. (yes they are cheaper labour as well that might influence the reply)
The house by me has had an extension built by poles, they work every day and it has gone up in no time, that won't happen with most local labour.
Good luck to them the opportunities are out there for all, maybe all the Brits in Spain, Oz, NZ and elsewhere should be sent back home.

That's what I was going to say ........

wonder what the Spanish think of the Brit invasion ???? the costas are over run with Brit theme pubs, Brit greasy spoon cafes, Brit clubs & entertainment, shops selling food to cater for the Brits .. there's even a shop called 'Spainsburys' :rolleyes:
The Brits are working all over the coastal resorts.

... and buying up all the property.

SteH

04-02-2007, 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=lindylou;48973]That's what I was going to say ........

wonder what the Spanish think of the Brit invasion ???? the costas are over run with Brit theme pubs, Brit greasy spoon cafes, Brit clubs & entertainment, shops selling food to cater for the Brits .. there's even a shop called 'Spainsburys' :rolleyes:
The Brits are working all over the coastal resorts.

you beat me to it there Lindy, so many Britons moan about foriegners coming here and refusing to integrate yet can't survive a week abroad without all the comforts from home

SteveFaragher

04-02-2007, 11:07 PM

the Poles are not stealing our jobs, they're just doing our jobs.....for some reason we don't want to.......

SteveFaragher

04-02-2007, 11:12 PM

A.D.W

04-02-2007, 11:15 PM

the Poles are not stealing our jobs, they're just doing our jobs.....for some reason we don't want to.......

Maybe if the job paid a decent living wage.........

Shapers

04-02-2007, 11:18 PM

Maybe if the job paid a decent living wage.........

Always excuses for people who don't want to work. For minimum wage you can get tax credits to help top up.

Shapers

04-02-2007, 11:20 PM

Plus for people who don't want to work should encourage foriegn labour, the tax money they contribute will help keep idle scroungers in white lightning.

A.D.W

04-02-2007, 11:32 PM

Plus for people who don't want to work should encourage foriegn labour, the tax money they contribute will help keep idle scroungers in white lightning.

Always quick with the insults.

Shapers

04-02-2007, 11:37 PM

Who am i insulting? I never said you was a scrounger.

john

04-02-2007, 11:51 PM

I had a Polish barber in garston in thehttp://www.turkeytube.co.uk/view_video.php?viewkey=e257e44aa9d5bade97ba early 1960's when I was a kid, he was alright, I always thought it was funny that the hairspray he used to use was Cossack brand (remember that!!)

now I have to go to Turkey for a decent shave most english barbers wont use a cut throat for fear of cross contamination!!!

http://www.turkeytube.co.uk/view_video.php?viewkey=e257e44aa9d5bade97ba

Steve, I use to go to the poles just under the bridge, I thought he was called the pole because of the barbers pole outside, my dad and 4 boys day out to the pole, he was great always pleased to see us boys.
I also had a shave in Bodrum, brilliant and very entertaining; there were a number of locals in the shop including a transvestite sitting in the corner singing songs, never laughed so much and we don't speak the same language.

A.D.W

04-02-2007, 11:52 PM

Who am i insulting? I never said you was a scrounger.

You can insult me all you like, sausage. It was the people who find themselves out of work I was defending.

john

04-02-2007, 11:57 PM

I don't think shapers did insult you AD

A.D.W

04-02-2007, 11:59 PM

I don't think shapers did insult you AD

Figure of speech, squire, figure of speech!

john

04-03-2007, 12:00 AM

Anyway back to the thread

No doubt the Poles work hard, but it is a shame that you feel the need to say local people do not work as hard. Sounds a little racist to me. AD

Racist whats racist, I would say the Repatriation is racist. Its the Poles turn this week, whos next? Me

I did not understand where the racism came in AD?

john

04-03-2007, 12:01 AM

Figure of speech, squire, figure of speech!

Lost me sausage :shock:

A.D.W

04-03-2007, 12:03 AM

Shapers

04-03-2007, 05:12 PM

Well AD, i have seen the same people who have been 'looking for work' for 10 years or more using the same excuse with any flavour of the month foriegn target. Indians, Philipinos, Kosovans and at the moment its Polish or Czech and in the near future it will be Bulgarians or Romanians. Funny how other people find work though.

Shapers

04-03-2007, 05:15 PM

You can insult me all you like, sausage. It was the people who find themselves out of work I was defending.

I would rather not resort to insulting Queen :)

Ged

04-03-2007, 05:41 PM

I am all for imported skilled labour into the country and nowhere else much more than Liverpool is famous for such a diversity historically. However, one should ask why our own school leavers are not taught the trades and fed into apprenticeships like the old days.

According to a recent Roger Phillips one hour special on radio merseyside, union leaders and older tradesmen feared for the future. It seems lots of foreign construction workers do not have to show a H&S card on sites and are in fact paid as self employed workers meaning that the bosses of the firms do not have to pay tax and NIC and pay a lower wage anyway.

Lower pay results in lower taxes and lower NIC contributions, the likes of which todays contributions by workers are paying for todays elderly which is increasing. Job seekers allowance (by it's very name, a benefit paid whilst job seeking should be discontinued if people are not genuinely job seeking)

Remembering that the welfare state was set up to help people in real hardship and the dole was for people 'between employment' (and not meant to mean 10 years) seems to have gone from an assistance to a right.

In the meantime, as more and more countries enter the E.U. free movement of people and employment, expect an even bigger drain on resources such as the NHS and housing as we can only sustain so much before something has to give. The imbalance is that the wealthier people are leaving these shores and taking their money with them that their new hosts abroad demand.

Jericho

04-03-2007, 06:32 PM

john

04-03-2007, 08:29 PM

Howie

04-04-2007, 12:24 AM

New EU migrants may be eroding pay levels

· Senior adviser warns Blair over east European influx
· PM due to give key speech today on future of work

Patrick Wintour, political editor
Friday March 30, 2007
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/)

The influx of immigrants into the EU from the 10 eastern European accession countries may be starting to push down wages among low-paid workers, and leading to a rise in unemployment among unskilled workers, the prime minister has been told by one of his closest advisers.

Tony Blair was given the politically sensitive information by Lord Turner at a seminar in preparation for a major lecture today on the future of work. The lecture is one of a series of valedictory addresses being given by the prime minister.

Concerns over the impact of immigration are understood to be shared by ministers at the Department for Work and Pensions, even though the government's official economic analysis has not yet shown a clear link between falling pay levels and immigration from eastern Europe.

Lord Turner, a former chairman of the Low Pay Commission and author of the government's landmark report on pensions, told Mr Blair that the latest evidence suggested that migrants were beginning to push down wages at the lower end of the income scale. They were displacing some less skilled workers, making it more difficult to persuade some of the long-term unemployed to seek work - partly because the immigrant workers were more willing to work unlawfully for less than the minimum wage.

The influx may also make it more difficult to increase the level of the minimum wage in the future. The introduction of the minimum wage in 1999 will be hailed by Mr Blair in today's speech as one of the major achievements of the Labour government.

Since the 10 eastern European countries joined the EU, the UK economy has absorbed an estimated 500,000 migrant workers, although many of these will have returned to their native country.

Mr Blair was urged by other academics at the seminar to do more to counter growing wage inequalities in Britain, on the basis that widening inequalities between senior executives and other workers within a company can reduce productivity. He has been reluctant to take such advice, arguing that any wage inequality has been driven by international competition for senior executives.

In his speech, Mr Blair will argue that the Labour government has given a new meaning to the term "labour flexibility", turning it from a euphemism for exploitation into a phrase which helps to empower workers with skills and rights.

"In the era of open economies, a flexible labour market is a desirable, indeed a necessary, thing," the prime minister will say. "We saw flexibility as a two-way street. We wanted to give flexibility to the employee as well as the employer.

"This used to be posed as a choice: either a flexible labour market or rights for workers. We saw that you could have a flexible labour market and a flexible labour force. Indeed, that it was vital to have both."

Source: Guardian Unlimited (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,,2046234,00.html)

Ged

04-04-2007, 12:12 PM

Is there evidence that 'our own school leavers' are interested? Is there evidence that locals with the required skill base are being passed over when applying for jobs in favour of cheaper overseas labour? So much of this seems like hearsay. My understanding is that there isn't the required skill base locally. (Apart from 'painters and decorators'). Isn't there also something about quite a few people without any skills or qualifications seeing themselves as deserving more than the minimum wage and refusing to work for what they describe as 'peanuts'?

I welcome all the newcomers wherever they come from as long as they are prepared to work for the greater good. I'm greatful for the contributions they make to the city's propsperity.

I only go on what is reported in the radio show I mentioned so not hearsay. The Linda McDermott show also had the Arriva bus Co boss on who had (illegally) applied to an overseas recruitment agency (you can't discriminate on ageist, sexist, racist issues as you know so definitely cannot legally do what these did) to supply polish workers. When asked by the local job centre official why they had not applied locally he said there was no uptake. The JC offical asked how he knew this if he'd bypassed his local JC in the first place. The silence was deafening. Like I say, all well and good when there's full employment here but you fall into the trap of government policies whereby you ask are school leavers interested? Well maybe if they were given the option of no job seekers allowance if they're ''not interested'' you'd see a bigger uptake. Eg. Warren Bradley says that only just over 50% of all the Grosvenor Development workers are Liverpool based and the new arena's overseas workers is quite a high percentage yet I know lads who'd love to get on the trademens/brickie/plasterers rung but the funding and training services are dismal. I too welcome overseas workers who work for the greater good but let's not fall into the trap that ALL youngsters can't be arsed as that's as bad as saying all estates are overun by all youngsters when it's only a small percentage and the rest do want to work.

Shapers

04-04-2007, 01:13 PM

I only go on what is reported in the radio show I mentioned so not hearsay. The Linda McDermott show also had the Arriva bus Co boss on who had (illegally) applied to an overseas recruitment agency (you can't discriminate on ageist, sexist, racist issues as you know so definitely cannot legally do what these did) to supply polish workers. When asked by the local job centre official why they had not applied locally he said there was no uptake. The JC offical asked how he knew this if he'd bypassed his local JC in the first place. The silence was deafening. Like I say, all well and good when there's full employment here but you fall into the trap of government policies whereby you ask are school leavers interested? Well maybe if they were given the option of no job seekers allowance if they're ''not interested'' you'd see a bigger uptake. Eg. Warren Bradley says that only just over 50% of all the Grosvenor Development workers are Liverpool based and the new arena's overseas workers is quite a high percentage yet I know lads who'd love to get on the trademens/brickie/plasterers rung but the funding and training services are dismal. I too welcome overseas workers who work for the greater good but let's not fall into the trap that ALL youngsters can't be arsed as that's as bad as saying all estates are overun by all youngsters when it's only a small percentage and the rest do want to work.

The fact of the matter is, the enemy of the homegrown jobseekers is the Employment Bosses. They choose to skip local JC applications and go straight to the foriegn workers (in this case, Arriva) and the Polish come here chuffed to bits that they are able to make, compared to what they get back home, a fortune. Sadly what they get is a frosty reception from colleagues who should be getting the union involved and making the Polish fight for the same wage.

But, a lot of Brits 'won't get out of bed' for minimum wage and think certain jobs are beneath them. But they are happy to live on £57 or £45 a week. I myself is on minimum wage and on an agency and in casual work because i was laid off from my last job at christmas and was on ok money, i got sick of doing nothing for over 2 months and applied for well over 25 jobs and only got one reply, the one am doing now.

Now i can sit here and like the rest say 'they prefer Poles' but i have been on and off agencies for almost 10 years and sometimes could be the only person that turns up for the job on behalf of the agency. Now if 4 of you are mean't to start, thats not good. The Poles and other foriegn workers turn up at a drop of a hat, hence they get the nod. Wrong, maybe, but would what would you do if you was getting let down constantly and losing money? Even in my last job, a agency sent a number of workers and only 2 of them were from Liverpool. One ended up with a full time job, but the other was moaning about the job, claiming he could do better and did very little and moaned about the foriegners. He lasted one afternoon.

There is a fair few local people who can sit at home all day and smoke pot or drink vodka or sit in the pub whilst reaping more than £57 a week through cheating the system. If these people don't fill in local vacancies, then a lot of companies have no choice but to look elsewhere.

Ged

04-04-2007, 01:42 PM

Shapers

04-04-2007, 01:53 PM

Therein lies the problem. Government policy but it's a tough one.

Do you take the hard line and withdraw benefits thereby declaring 'let's see you go the pub and buy your weed (and harder stuff) now' whereupon many will cry that it's only forcing these types into further wrongdoing to suppliment their 'life choice' - which it is. Or - what?

There is a hardcore element who will simply will not work. And lets be honest, would you want those who have no intention of pulling there weight working on your team? I don't.

I don't know what the answer is, you listed what would happen if they took away there benefits.

Ged

04-04-2007, 02:12 PM

No, I wouldn't want the hardcore element on my team but are these not just a small percentage of those currently out of work. The trouble is, as layabouts from the last couple of decades have children who are not used to a breadwinner and a workers mentality in the home and so they procreate causing generations of this ilk - and so the problem will get worse. I wouldn't like to think imported labour as being the long term solution as what will our grandchildren's prospects be.

scouserdave

04-04-2007, 02:26 PM

Jericho

04-04-2007, 06:43 PM

You contradict yourself. You ask for evidence, yet make the statement below without supporting it with evidence. Quite funny actually:unibrow:

LOL! And I thought I was asking a question.

Shapers

04-04-2007, 08:15 PM

I would of said it was a question

scouserdave

04-04-2007, 11:16 PM

LOL! And I thought I was asking a question.
LOL!

scouserdave

04-04-2007, 11:18 PM

I would of said it was a question
LOL!

Shapers

04-04-2007, 11:21 PM

LOL!

Hilarious

A.D.W

04-04-2007, 11:21 PM

There is a hardcore element who will simply will not work. And lets be honest, would you want those who have no intention of pulling there weight working on your team? I don't.

I don't know what the answer is, you listed what would happen if they took away there benefits.

If they are fit for work, but will not then I suggest the cat'o'nine tails. Soaking said item before hand in salt water does the trick. It might be a little harsh, but it works all the time.

:)

Shapers

04-04-2007, 11:27 PM

If they are fit for work, but will not then I suggest the cat'o'nine tails. If find soaking said item before hand in salt water does the trick. It might be a little harsh, but I find it works all the time.

:)

Think the overseas labour idea works better :)

john

04-05-2007, 12:08 AM

Well I though it had been a civilised discussion and then........

Shapers

04-05-2007, 12:13 AM

Well I though it had been a civilised discussion and then........

Find its best just to go with the flow John.

Kev

04-05-2007, 09:06 AM

LOL! And I thought I was asking a question.

LOL!

LOL!

Hilarious

ROTFLMAO

john

04-05-2007, 09:25 AM

ROTFLMAO

Maybe its too early in the morning, what does this mean Kev?

Kev

04-05-2007, 09:29 AM

Maybe its too early in the morning, what does this mean Kev?

Rolling on the floor laughing my a*** off

john

04-05-2007, 09:34 AM

Right :shock:

Kev

04-05-2007, 09:35 AM

Keep the laughing going john :)

Jericho

04-05-2007, 06:39 PM

Are there any Polish restaurants in Liverpool (yet)?

Shapers

04-05-2007, 07:18 PM

I can see t happening in the future. There shops are popping up quite rapidly.

Multi culture, wide variety, what makes Liverpool great i say :)

A.D.W

04-05-2007, 07:35 PM

Are there any Polish restaurants in Liverpool (yet)?

What would a Polish restaurant sell I wonder?

:)

A.D.W

04-05-2007, 07:36 PM

I can see t happening in the future. There shops are popping up quite rapidly.

Multi culture, wide variety, what makes Liverpool great i say :)

:PDT_Xtremez_42:

john

04-05-2007, 07:58 PM

What would a Polish restaurant sell I wonder?

:)

Polish food:rolleyes:

A.D.W

04-05-2007, 07:59 PM

Polish food:rolleyes:

As ScouserDave, fine upstanding fellow, would say - WOOSH!

:)

Shapers

04-05-2007, 08:02 PM

As ScouserDave, fine upstanding fellow, would say - WOOSH!

:)

Or as a critic would say 'cue me when to laugh'

john

04-05-2007, 08:04 PM

As ScouserDave, fine upstanding fellow, would say - WOOSH!

:)

Debatable
Ask a stupid question get the obvious reply WOOSH :handclap:

A.D.W

04-05-2007, 08:04 PM

Or as a critic would say 'cue me when to laugh'

Indeed, young sausage.

:)

Shapers

04-05-2007, 08:05 PM

Indeed, young sausage.

:)

Fair enough old Queen :)

john

04-05-2007, 08:10 PM

Shapers

04-05-2007, 08:18 PM

Happens everytime discussions get hijacked

Back to the thread, just had a quick goolge no polish yet, its a matter of time along with polish bars.
Shops are opening up everywhere shops are not being opened just by poles, but by english and asian businesspeople seeing a gap in the market.

Clever business enterprising people they are. Embrace, make friends and get rich whilst doing it. Seems sensible to me.

I have tried a Polish lager, the name i forget, which a old colleague (yep she was Polish) bought me a can of to settle which beer was nicer. Don't think it beats Red Stripe or Fosters but a bit better than Carling was my final verdict.

I could see a Polish restaurant opening very soon. Maybe in Hardman Street or Smithdown Road.

john

04-05-2007, 08:22 PM

You are possibly right Hardman Street or Bold Street, there once a Russian restaurant in Bold Street did not last long.

Shapers

04-05-2007, 08:30 PM

There is Mexican, Greek, Indian, Chinese, Bangladeshi restaurants. even a Japanese one has opened up. Polish would definatley succeed amongst there community. I have tried a Polish Dish and was'nt to my fancy. Strictly steak and chips neanderthal i am lol.

A.D.W

04-05-2007, 08:34 PM

Fair enough old Queen :)

Less of the old if you don't mind!

:)

Shapers

04-05-2007, 08:39 PM

Less of the old if you don't mind!

:)

:)

lindylou

04-05-2007, 08:52 PM

You are possibly right Hardman Street or Bold Street, there once a Russian restaurant in Bold Street did not last long.

Isn't there a Russian restaurant in York st ??

the only one outside of London as far as I know.

SteH

04-05-2007, 09:25 PM

Isn't there a Russian restaurant in York st ??

the only one outside of London as far as I know.

There is, the St Petersburg. Been there about 10 years.

john

04-06-2007, 01:32 AM

There is, the St Petersburg. Been there about 10 years.

http://www.restaurant-guide.com/st-petersburg-russian-restaurant.htm

SteveFaragher

04-06-2007, 01:38 AM

There's a Kurdish restaurant jsut opened in the Paramount building near to the bus station off London Road. Going to try it in the next few weeks, I shoudl imagine it'll be a bit like Turkish Scran which is really good....how good well check these videos out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3nlG-POTuM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fu51Oxf7ec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUMUI3jZerE

john

04-06-2007, 01:43 AM

Cookery Videos :handclap:
Cookery programmes are everywhere now why not Yo?

Howie

04-06-2007, 02:23 AM

Just thought I'd post this...

It's the Pizza Hut in Krakow, Poland.
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~howardpaterson/uploads/Krakow05.jpg

They do a luvely wild forest mushrooms pizza. :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

(That's Mrs Howie on the doorstep).

john

04-07-2007, 06:14 PM

In the Guardian Magazine today really good article on people behind the takeaways providing food from around the world in the UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/

Two stories are Ho Lee who owns the Saigon in Berry Street serving Vietnamese food 5.30 - 11.00 and then Chinese food after midnight and Sergi Kotcherine who owns St Petersburg, 7a York Street.
" There is a nightclub called Liverpool in St Petersburg, so why not open a Russian place in Liverpool?"

Another quote from Sergi
" Liverpool is like a phoneix rising from the dust, its growing like a baby. Its fantastic."

scouserdave

04-07-2007, 06:21 PM

In the Guardian Magazine today really good article on people behind the takeaways providing food from around the world in the UK.

Two stories are Ho Lee who owns the Saigon in Berry Street serving Vietnamese food 5.30 - 11.00 and then Chinese food after midnight and Sergi Kotcherine who owns St Petersburg, 7a York Street.
" There is a nightclub called Liverpool in St Petersburg, so why not open a Russian place in Liverpool?"

Another quote from Sergi
" Liverpool is like a phoneix rising from the dust, its growing like a baby. Its fantastic."
The Ho Lee part was quite depressing. I felt really sorry for this person.
"We get two types of customer. From 5.30pm to 11pm, educated people eat Vietnamese food and appreciate it. After midnight it's back to Chinese again. Later on, people - even students - make racist comments. It happens at least once a month. We just have to bite our lips. Even now we are struggling, but because Liverpool is capital of culture in 2008 we are hopeful it will change. If it doesn't work out, I'm thinking about going back to Vietnam. More than half my life has been here, but I still feel something is missing.

Asian culture is really close-knit, and my parents are old. I miss them. We have three children. My two young kids love Vietnam. The education here is much better - we sent them to a private school - but they have to stay locked up in the house after school because it's not safe. In Vietnam they could have a life outside."

scouserdave

04-07-2007, 06:29 PM

Sorry forgot to add a [source] (http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,2051153,00.html)

Shapers

04-07-2007, 06:31 PM

The Ho Lee part was quite depressing. I felt really sorry for this person.
"We get two types of customer. From 5.30pm to 11pm, educated people eat Vietnamese food and appreciate it. After midnight it's back to Chinese again. Later on, people - even students - make racist comments. It happens at least once a month. We just have to bite our lips. Even now we are struggling, but because Liverpool is capital of culture in 2008 we are hopeful it will change. If it doesn't work out, I'm thinking about going back to Vietnam. More than half my life has been here, but I still feel something is missing.

Asian culture is really close-knit, and my parents are old. I miss them. We have three children. My two young kids love Vietnam. The education here is much better - we sent them to a private school - but they have to stay locked up in the house after school because it's not safe. In Vietnam they could have a life outside."

Hopefully he will find success whatever he chooses. Just shows what petty lowlifes there is out there.

john

04-07-2007, 06:33 PM

I agree with you on this one SD it was depressing to read, in fact the stories behind most of the people were really interesting coming from Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Poland.

It was intresting that Ho Lee was thinking of opening a bar selling English pub food in Vietnam ( god help them)

Another interesting story was Arthur Baker who owns Harlem, he was a top DJ/Producer did New Order (Blue Monday)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,2051154,00.html
http://www.beathut.com/magazine/march06/article.htm

Shapers

04-07-2007, 06:52 PM

Speaking to an old Polish man in his 80s today, he moved here after the war and married a English lady. He was very intresting person indeed and well spoken.

Howie

04-10-2007, 08:29 AM

Leaflet campaign to bring out Polish-speaking voters
Apr 10 2007
by Paula Owens, Liverpool Daily Post

POLITICAL campaign leaflets in Liverpool will be sent out in Polish as well as in English ahead of the May elections as parties seek to tap into the city’s booming Polish population.

Steve Radford, leader of the minority Liberal group in Liverpool Town Hall, came up with the idea after visiting Polish constituents who were unaware they could register to vote.

He said providing Polish residents with information about the May 3 election will encourage them to vote and give them a greater sense of community involvement.

Cllr Radford, who represents Tuebrook, also hopes the Polish vote will help stop the assault of the far-right BNP, which has nine candidates in Liverpool.

He has prepared the leaflets with the help of some Polish priests and is to start delivering them this week.

Story continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=leaflet-campaign-to-bring-out-polish%2Dspeaking-voters%26method=full%26objectid=18882025%26siteid= 50061-name_page.html#story_continue)...

scouserdave

04-10-2007, 12:00 PM

Leaflet campaign to bring out Polish-speaking voters
Apr 10 2007
by Paula Owens, Liverpool Daily Post
Cllr Radford, who represents Tuebrook, also hopes the Polish vote will help stop the assault of the far-right BNP, which has nine candidates in Liverpool.

Story continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=leaflet-campaign-to-bring-out-polish%2Dspeaking-voters%26method=full%26objectid=18882025%26siteid= 50061-name_page.html#story_continue)...

"help stop the assault of the far-right BNP" LOL! Great piece of objective journalism.

Regarding the Poles (who I think are fantastic hard workers and are an asset to our country), the journalist obviously has no knowledge of The League of Polish Families (http://pruszkow.lpr.pl/program_eng.html). The irony:unibrow:

A.D.W

04-10-2007, 12:56 PM

"help stop the assault of the far-right BNP" LOL! Great piece of objective journalism.

Regarding the Poles (who I think are fantastic hard workers and are an asset to our country), the journalist obviously has no knowledge of The League of Polish Families (http://pruszkow.lpr.pl/program_eng.html). The irony:unibrow:

This Cllr Radford is an imbecile.To go on record as wanting to make an all out assault on the Liverpool BNP with the help of non Britons is laughable.

:)

Howie

04-10-2007, 02:11 PM

Think the Liberals may pick up a few votes in Kenny - not cos they're gonna put leaflets in the new Polish stores, but rather as they are opposing the mass demolition of the area.

Jericho

04-10-2007, 08:44 PM

I wonder how many Poles have bothered to register to vote? My guess is this is more about attacking the BNP than anything else and using the hype around new (maybe temporary) Liverpudlians as a vehicle for this.

That's politics!

john

04-10-2007, 09:44 PM

Everyone should be encouraged to vote

The BNP have certainly used the influx of Polish and Eastern European immigrants as an election issue in particular areas in the past.

SteH

04-10-2007, 11:19 PM

Everyone should be encouraged to vote

The BNP have certainly used the influx of Polish and Eastern European immigrants as an election issue in particular areas in the past.

Voting is compulsory in a number of countries, including Australia, Belgium and Greece. There is theoretically a fine of £1,000 in the UK for refusing to register but I've never heard of it being enforced. I can only see number of voters increasing if they can bring in text voting or online voting.

Howie

04-11-2007, 12:25 AM

Excerpt from 'Local Democracy after Lyons (http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/10293)' by Dr Stuart Wilks-Heeg, Lecturer in Social Policy, The University of Liverpool.

About a third of the electorate will typically vote in British local elections, by far the lowest level in Western Europe. In many ways, it is remarkable that local elections happen at all, given the perilous state of local political parties. In most districts, the local electoral process depends upon a few party activists, operating with extraordinarily limited resources. In some parts of the country, local parties have effectively died. With a dozen or more local activists, the British National Party has found it surprisingly easy to challenge the ascendancy of Labour in traditional ‘strongholds’ such as Burnley and Barking.

Few would dispute that elections are the foundation of local democracy. Yet, with the exception of recent experiments with postal voting, there has been remarkably little done to stem, let alone reverse, the decay of local representative democracy. Instead, the principal response has been to increase the range of ways in which people can express their views about local services. The assumption, presumably, is that the two-thirds of citizens that are not inclined to vote will instead be motivated by the prospect of attending an area committee meeting or responding to a council consultation exercise. Across the country, a thousand flowers have bloomed as local authorities have searched for innovative ways to ‘engage’ local people. Residents of Lancashire may opt to be consulted on key issues via SMS, while Bristol City Council enables local residents to create and sign ‘e-petitions’ on its Website.

In contrast to the pitiful resources available to local party activists, local authorities spend significant sums of money on developing new forms of engagement with the public. Yet, there is little evidence that such mechanisms reach beyond those who already exhibit a relatively high level of participation in local affairs. Evidence from two towns in Northern England suggests that members of local citizens panels are three times more likely to have voted in local elections and five times more likely to be members of political parties than the average local resident. Extra forms of participation do not mean more participants, but rather enhance the capacity of those already participating to have their voice heard in additional ways.

Howie

04-11-2007, 01:26 AM

LIVERPOOL LIBERALS PRINT LOCAL ELECTION LEAFLETS IN POLISH
10.04.07

First, it was drivers in Cheshire who had to contend with road signs on their country lanes translated into Polish.

Then, anglers at a Welsh beauty spot were baffled by notices in the Eastern European language warning them of huge fines for illegal fishing.

Now, in a sign of the times, a political party in Liverpool has decided to translate all its leaflets into Polish to try and win votes from the city's booming immigrant community ahead of next month's local elections.

MORE (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392189-details/Liverpool%20Liberals%20print%20local%20election%20 leaflets%20in%20Polish/article.do)...

scouserdave

04-11-2007, 01:39 AM

LIVERPOOL LIBERALS PRINT LOCAL ELECTION LEAFLETS IN POLISH
10.04.07
Then, anglers at a Welsh beauty spot were baffled by notices in the Eastern European language warning them of huge fines for illegal fishing.

Most of the Welsh can't understand notices in their own language:rolleyes:

Shapers

04-11-2007, 06:51 PM

The Polish working community contribute to the ecomony are an assett. I am all for them having the right to vote. :PDT11

Jericho

04-11-2007, 08:36 PM

If I'm not mistaken one of the great things about being part of the EU is that we're entitled to vote in any of the member counties as long as we're resident and on the electoral register.

Shapers

04-11-2007, 09:03 PM

This Cllr Radford is an imbecile.To go on record as wanting to make an all out assault on the Liverpool BNP with the help of non Britons is laughable.

:)

Cllr Radford also said he would defend the BNPs right to stand in elections. He dosen't have to say nice things about them.

lindylou

04-11-2007, 10:20 PM

Cllr Radford also said he would defend the BNPs right to stand in elections. He dosen't have to say nice things about them.

yes, that's right. :handclap: :)

A.D.W

04-12-2007, 01:33 AM

Everyone should be encouraged to vote

The BNP have certainly used the influx of Polish and Eastern European immigrants as an election issue in particular areas in the past.

Quite right as well! British jobs for British workers has a fine ring to it.

:)

A.D.W

04-12-2007, 01:35 AM

If I'm not mistaken one of the great things about being part of the EU is that we're entitled to vote in any of the member counties as long as we're resident and on the electoral register.

The sooner this fine country removes itself from the madness of the EU the better.

:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

A.D.W

04-12-2007, 01:36 AM

Cllr Radford also said he would defend the BNPs right to stand in elections. He dosen't have to say nice things about them.

Indeedy do.

:)

A.D.W

04-12-2007, 01:38 AM

Jane Greenhalgh? A fine lady who is standing for the BNP.

Good luck Ms Greenhalgh.

Hurrah!

:)

Howie

04-12-2007, 08:21 AM

Jane Greenhalgh? A fine lady who is standing for the BNP.

Good luck Ms Greenhalgh.

Hurrah!

:)
Will you be out showing your support canvassing in Kensington & Fairfield then, Dave? - Might get to meet you on me doorstep! :eek:

A.D.W

04-12-2007, 12:02 PM

Will you be out showing your support canvassing in Kensington & Fairfield then, Dave? - Might get to meet you on me doorstep! :eek:

Fraid not, Howie.

:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13

Jericho

04-12-2007, 12:22 PM

The sooner this fine country removes itself from the madness of the EU the better.

:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

:rolleyes: Better the madness of an EU that has enshrined a bill of human rights than the depraved and bitter madness of an organisation (BNP) that preys on the gullibility of poorly informed and disadvantaged people and manipulates them into a state of loathing towards other members of their community with the aim of scapegoating them and depriving them of their rights.

Howie

04-12-2007, 01:41 PM

So, what has Europe ever done for us? Apart from...

Published: 21 March 2007

1. The end of war between European nations

While rows between England, France and Germany have been a feature of EU summits, war between Europe's major powers is now unthinkable. The fact that the two world wars that shaped the last century now seem so remote is, in itself, tribute to a visionary project that has permanently changed the landscape. As the EU celebrates the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Treaty of Rome it is clear that while the detailed topography will always be difficult to agree, it is an extraordinary achievement that we are standing on common ground.

2. Democracy is flourishing in 27 countries

Spain, Portugal, Greece, and the EU's 10 ex-Communist countries are parliamentary democracies. None of these nations were truly free in the decades following the Second World War. Each is now a democracy anchored within the EU and is unlikely to change course.

3. Once poor countries like Ireland, Greece and Portugal prospering

EU subsidies well spent have been crucial to the lift-off of the Irish economy. Once firmly in Britain's economic shadow, the Celtic tiger has emerged. Gross domestic product per capita in Ireland in 2005 was 137.1 per cent of the EU average, compared to 116.8 per cent in the UK.

4. The creation of the world's largest internal trading market

The 27-nation EU now around 500m people making it the world's largest economic trading bloc. By comparison the US has a population of around 300m. The old EU 25 had 19.2 per cent of the World's exports as compared with 14.4 per cent from the US. This gap is set to grow following the last enlargement in January to 27 member states.

5. Shopping without frontiers has given consumers more power

European consumers can buy goods for their own use in whichever EU country they choose - in person, on the internet, over the telephone, or by mail order - without paying additional taxes. This competition is driving down prices and increasing quality

6. Co-operation on continent-wide immigration policy

Though EU countries set immigration levels the EU is increasingly active in the fight against illegal migration and in trying to match the labour needs of European countries to the supply of migrants. On the downside, the EU is increasingly an impregnable fortress and many lose their lives trying to get here by boat from Africa

7. Crime-busting co-operation, through Europol

This provides a clearing house for EU police forces. The police in EU member states can now use an EU arrest warrant to get suspects moved from one country to another where they will face serious charges without lengthy extradition procedures.

8. Laws which make it easier for British people to buy property in Europe

It may not be good for the environment but access to second homes a short-haul flight away has fulfilled the dreams of millions of Britons. Retirement or regular holidays from the south of Spain to the east of Bulgaria has become a reality for many and a legally safeguarded one at that.

9. Cleaner beaches and rivers throughout Europe

EU law and peer pressure - including annual reports - have forced the UK to clean up its act, for example bringing the once-dirty waters off Blackpool beach up to standard. The first EU legislation was passed in 1976 with two more pieces in 2002 and 2006. Now you can monitor the quality of bathing water by checking on a website.

10. Four weeks statutory paid holiday a year for workers in Europe

The EU Working Time Directive ensures that all Europeans get at least four weeks of paid holiday per year. In the US many workers get a fortnight. The same directive provides for 11 hours rest in every 24 and one day of rest per week plus a rest break if the working day is longer than six hours. Minimum standards are set for paid maternity and paternity leave.

11. No death penalty (incompatible with EU membership)

No EU member state has the death penalty and reintroduction of capital punishment would not be compatible with EU membership. Even countries outside the EU are having to review their policies if they want to be considered for membership of the club, most notably Turkey.

12. Competition means cheaper phone calls

Since the liberalisation of telecommunications in the 1980s loosened the grip of the monopolies, prices have plummeted. The European Commission says the cost of international calls in the EU has fallen by 80 per cent since 1984.

13. Small EU bureaucracy (24,000 employees, fewer than the BBC)

Despite the eurosceptic claims, the number of EU officials is surprisingly small. After the scandal of 1999 when the Brussels based European Commission resigned, strict new rules were imposed on spending.

14. Making the French eat British beef again

When the BSE crisis subsided and British meat was judged safe, the European Court of Justice ordered France to resume imports. France contested the ruling but had no alternative in the end. By contrast, the US retains an embargo.

15. Minority languages, like Irish, Welsh and Catalan recognised and protected

Minority languages are gaining recognition. Be it Irish, Welsh or Catalan, minority languages are getting a greater role thanks to the EU which even has a Commissioner for Multilingualism. Irish became an official language of the EU this year. Catalans have lesser language rights because their tongue is official only in one part of Spain, their member states. The EU - with 23 official languages - is doing more to keep lesser tongues alive than some individual member states.

16. Europe is helping to save the planet with regulatory cuts in CO2

The EU has announced the most ambitious targets for curbing carbon emissions, promising a cut of at least one-fifth on 1990 levels by 2020. Other parts of the world are being challenged to follow suit. The EU also has blazed a trail with its carbon emissions trading system which, despite teething troubles, is still a model for other parts of the world.

17. One currency from Bantry to Berlin (but not Britain)

The Euro is now the only real alternative to the dollar on the international stage. You can travel throughout 13 countries and use one currency. Slovenia became the 13th and latest nation to join the single currency this year. Several more nations have yet to meet the necessary criteria.

18. Europe wide bans on tyrants like Robert Mugabe

Smart sanctions on the Zimbabwean President and his cronies have been negotiated through the EU and prevent those on a list from visiting all 27 nations. Though countries differ in the way they believe the EU should treat the government in Harare, they all agreed to renew the sanctions for another year.

19. The EU gives twice as much aid to developing countries as the US

The European Union and its member states paid out more than €43bn in 2005 in public aid to developing countries. This is the equivalent of 0.34 per cent of GNP of the 25 member states, and is higher than the per capita aid levels of the United States at around 0.2 per cent. More than €7bn is channelled through the EU.

20. Strict safety standards for aircraft

Airlines deemed to be unsafe are now banned from travelling into any EU country. Recently some of Pakistan's national carrier were barred because of safety fears.

21. Free medical help for tourists

Any citizen of a European country is entitled to free medical treatment if he or she is taken ill or suffers an accident in another member state. So long as you carry the correct form from your national health service, no questions will be asked.

22. EU peace-keepers operate throughout the world

The EU is building its crisis intervention force and has taken over operations in Bosnia from Nato. EU forces have also been in action in Africa helping avert humanitarian crises. In addition the EU has a big policing project.

23. easyJet and Ryanair can fly anywhere without national rules protecting high cost flag carriers due to liberalisation of air travel

easyJet and Ryanair can fly anywhere without the national rules protecting high-cost flag carriers due to liberalisation of air travel. Any airlines granted a licence in an EU country - meeting safety standards and other conditions - can operate services anywhere within the EU. Between 1992 and 2000 prices at the cheaper end of the market fell by 40 per cent.

24. Introduction of pet passports

Since 2004 travelling across borders with pets has been easier. In addition to pet passports with a vaccination certificate pets require permanent identification which can be either a tattooed code on the skin or a microchip which can be read by a special machine. In the future the microchip is likely to be obligatory.

25. It will soon take only two hours from London to Paris by Eurostar

The Channel Tunnel, and high-speed lines in France and now Britain are not, properly speaking, EU projects. However, the tunnel was built partly as a means of reducing the mental barriers between Britain and the Continent. With the opening of the final section of Britain's fast line to St Pancras this year, trains will travel to Paris in two hours.

26. Prospect of EU membership has forced modernisation on Turkey

The presence of an affluent and stable bloc to its west has given the modernisers in Turkey the ally they needed to create a democratic constituency for change. That change has been pushed through with the promise of a European future.

27. Unparalleled rights for European consumers

Any consumer can send back a product if it breaks down within two years of purchase. Manufacturers often claim that they offer only a 12 month guarantee, but EU law states otherwise and consumers are demanding their rights.

28. Study programmes and cheap travel means greater mobility for Europe's youth

Through the Erasmus programme, in the 2003-4 academic year, 7,500 UK students spent between three and 12 months at a university in one of the other member states.

29. Food labelling is much clearer

All ingredients used in food products must be listed. Any GM ingredients must be mentioned as must colouring, preservatives and other chemical additives.

30. End of the road for border crossings (apart from in the UK)

Frontier posts have been abandoned between the 15 countries that have implemented the Schengen accords. This agreement means that EU nationals crossing most borders in continental western Europe do not need to show passports. The newer nations plan to join in soon.

31. Compensation for air delays

Passengers must get immediate help if their flight is delayed by more than a few hours, cancelled without notice or if they are denied boarding because the plane is overbooked. The carrier must make alternative travel arrangements unless the passenger asks for their money back instead. Depending on the length of the delay they must provide food and refreshments and accommodation if necessary.

32. Strict ban on animal testing for the cosmetic industry

Since November 2004 the EU has banned animal testing on finished cosmetic products entirely. Remaining safety testing on animals of ingredients for cosmetics will be ended.

33. Greater protection for Europe's wildlife

Tough European laws protect birds, flora and fauna, although the EU bird directive is widely flouted in southern Europe, particularly in Malta where 2m migratory birds are shot each year, including 80 protected species which are shot or trapped by hunters.

34. Regional development fund has aided the deprived parts of Britain

Some of the UK's poorest regions have benefited from massive handouts from the EU which has been used to regenerate some of the country's most run-down areas. Scotland's Highland and Islands have benefited enormously as have the Welsh mining valleys, Cornwall and deprived inner cities like Liverpool.

35. European driving licences recognised

Driving licences issued in one EU country are valid in any other, providing they are modern, EU-standard, ones with a photo identity. This means that the old days of having to gain translations for a UK permit to drive in Italy are over.

36. Britons now feel a lot less insular

A famous newspaper headline (perhaps apocryphal) once read "Fog in Channel; Continent Cut Off". Remember the 1960s, when Ostend seemed like an exotic destination? EU membership has not dried up the English Channel but is has helped to remove the psychological barriers between Britain and the continent.

37. Europe's bananas remain bent, despite sceptics' fears

The suggestion that the EU wanted to impose straight bananas, or blue bananas, or ban all but Caribbean bananas, is one of the oldest of Euro-myths. Obsessive euro-harmonisation of rules is a thing of the past.

38. Strong economic growth - greater than the US last year

The EU's ambition to overtake America economically by 2010 has been ridiculed. The German economy has picked up with the UK and Nordic nations are performing strongly. Even Italy, thought to be in dire straits last year, is clocking up reasonable growth. The European Commission said it expects the economy of the 27-nation European Union to grow 2.7 per cent this year, ahead of the US's estimated 2.5 per cent

39. Single market has brought the best continental footballers to Britain

The Bosman ruling, based on European law, and other decisions, have freed up football transfers. From Eric Cantona to Thierry Henry and Cristiano Ronaldo, British fans have been enjoying watching Europe's finest talent for the past 15 years.

40. Human rights legislation has protected the rights of the individual

The introduction of the Human Rights Acts has provided a legal framework to prevent abuses of power.

41. European parliament provides democratic checks on all EU laws

The European Parliament, directly elected since 1979, has been given increased powers over the years. The parliament has made a significant impact in areas ranging from the environment to animal rights.

42. EU gives more, not less, sovereignty to nation states

Switzerland and Norway, two independent countries have little or no negotiating leverage when they deal with the EU. In fact they have less sovereignty than member states who decide the policy. Britons are more able to control their own destiny - in areas from international trade, to environmental protection, to consumer rights - because they are part of a 27 nation, democratic bloc. Real sovereignty, rather than theoretical sovereignty, is enhanced by EU membership.

43. Maturing EU is a proper counterweight to the power of US and China

As it develops common foreign and defence policies, the EU is finding its voice. Europe's interests and those of America and the emerging powers, such as China and India, will sometimes coincide, sometimes conflict. Could Britain's interests be protected if we stood alone or if we became a junior partner of the US?

44. European immigration has boosted the British economy

Hundreds of thousands of Poles commute between Poland and Britain. More surprisingly the economies of both countries are booming. The UK economy has benefited from a surge of well-qualified, highly motivated workers.

45. EU common research programme

Job opportunities and Europe-wide access to education mean there really are Europeans now who see the need to speak at least three modern languages.

46. Europe has set Britain an example how properly to fund a national health service

Some continental countries have health funding problems but several, the Dutch in particular, provide quality care while keeping down costs. It took the EU to rule that British patients had a right to seek care abroad.

47. British restaurants now much more cosmopolitan because of European influences

Britain has become - let us admit it - a more continental country in the last 34 years. We now care about what we eat. Nowhere has this been more marked than in the quality and variety of food being offered in our restaurants.

48. Mobility for career professionals throughout Europe

Professionals from doctors to architects now have a right to have their national qualifications recognised across the EU. Language and cultural barriers will always remain a problem for professionals but there are can no longer be purely protectionist obstacles to a career in another EU country.

49. Europe has revolutionised British attitudes to food and cooking

Despite major drawbacks, the bloated Common Agricultural Policy has enabled small family farmers to flourish in Europe. Its support has led to the birth of the Slow Food movement and arrival in British towns of farmers markets, growing with quality organics produce. Bon appetit!

50. Lists like this drive Eurosceptics mad

In the Daily Mail-Sun universe, the EU can never do any good. Brussels is an insane bureaucracy, which secretly plots to have all donkeys painted blue (with yellow stars). The 50th birthday of the European project is a time to celebrate the many positive things which the EU has brought us.

Source: The Independent (http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2377695.ece)

Howie

04-12-2007, 02:11 PM

The Amber Cabinet

Polish c1700

Baroque designers loved using extraordinary materials. Amber is a resin which oozed out from the bark of trees millions of years ago and was fossilized. This cabinet is covered inside and out with panels of it. This amber was mined in Poland, near the Baltic Sea. It was made into a cabinet in the port city of Gdansk - most famous today for the Solidarity movement which grew there in the 1980s. Gdansk, formerly known as Danzig, was the centre of the amber trade when this cabinet was made around 1700.

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/walker/collections/18c/graphics/large/cabinet2.jpg

The cabinet was probably kept in a room which was itself called a cabinet - a 'cabinet of curiosities'. This was full of natural and manmade wonders from all over the world. Explorers were bringing back lots of new things such as ostrich eggs, jade carvings and the feathers of birds of paradise. Amber took its place among these and the amber cabinet provided a place to store the most precious of them. The proud owner would impress their friends by opening it up and showing off their treasures. The drawers might also hold more practical things like writing equipment, board games and jewellery. The bottom drawer still contains eight original scent bottles, each with its cork and brass stopper.

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/walker/collections/18c/graphics/large/cabinet1.jpg

The ivory panels are carved with scenes involving cupids and their general theme seems to be love. On one panel a cupid presents a picture of a heart to a lady. Another shows a cupid with a pile of skulls - this may mean that you should enjoy love while you can, before death strikes you down. Alternatively, it may mean that love is stronger than death. Baroque images were often puzzles, intended to keep you guessing.

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/walker/collections/18c/graphics/large/cabinet3.jpg

Purchased with assistance from the Heritage Lottery Fund and the National Art Collections Fund.

See the cabinet being opened in either of these movies:

Broadband (1.4Mb) (http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/picture-of-month/ambercabinet-broadband.wmv)
Dial-up Modem (400Kb) (http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/picture-of-month/ambercabinet-dialup.wmv)

An extended study of 'The Amber Cabinet' (http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/picture-of-month/displaypicture.asp?venue=2&id=64) is also available online as part of the Artwork of the Month series.

Source: Walker Art Gallery (http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/walker/collections/18c/cabinet.asp)

Jericho

04-12-2007, 02:47 PM

Thanks for those two posts, Howie.

Shapers

04-12-2007, 06:19 PM

Quite right as well! British jobs for British workers has a fine ring to it.

:)

What about brits who work abroad, like oil rig workers making a fortune. What about gap students working as bar staff in spain (in British bars no doubt), holiday reps or the factory workers going to Holland making good money?

Shapers

04-12-2007, 06:22 PM

:rolleyes: Better the madness of an EU that has enshrined a bill of human rights than the depraved and bitter madness of an organisation (BNP) that preys on the gullibility of poorly informed and disadvantaged people and manipulates them into a state of loathing towards other members of their community with the aim of scapegoating them and depriving them of their rights.

As if the BNP would turn this country around. It would sink faster then the Titanic.

john

04-12-2007, 07:42 PM

Thanks Howie for the two posts

We seemed to have moved down the wrong road, lets get back to the topic, if we continue on the BNP road then I can see the thread will be closed.
That would be a shame as its not been a bad discussion.

lindylou

04-12-2007, 08:59 PM

:rolleyes: Better the madness of an EU that has enshrined a bill of human rights than the depraved and bitter madness of an organisation (BNP) that preys on the gullibility of poorly informed and disadvantaged people and manipulates them into a state of loathing towards other members of their community with the aim of scapegoating them and depriving them of their rights.

:handclap:

Don't know why the BNP don't just give up and slink away.

john

04-12-2007, 09:11 PM

Don't know why the BNP don't just give up and slink away.

Good question I am sure Kev would not allow it as a thread discussion :)

lindylou

04-12-2007, 09:34 PM

Actually, I was going to say that this thread is not the place to be discussing the BNP. After all, it is a thread about the Polish community and along with all our other established communities here in Liverpool we should be posting more optimistic comments and things of interest appertaining to that particular group of people.

john

04-12-2007, 09:37 PM

Kev

04-12-2007, 09:53 PM

Good question I am sure Kev would not allow it as a thread discussion :)

Of course in the interests of free speech I decided to let this one run for a while however most are aware of my feelings on the subject and its effect of forum relationships. I posted a request while ago here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321) that explains more.

Now the thread is about the Polish Community of Liverpool and its development. So ideally in this section, the discussion should inform the general public and our visitors of the development of communities that have grown including our own, educating those who know little about the diverse groups living in Liverpool.

Do we agree its going off topic?

Shapers

04-12-2007, 10:28 PM

Seems sometimes because you disagree with someone its interpreted as 'getting personal'.

Howie

04-12-2007, 11:25 PM

Do we agree its going off topic?

Yes!

For more info. about Polish culture (inc. films shown by Future Shorts (http://www.futureshorts.com/) Liverpool at the Fab Cafe (http://www.fabcafe.co.uk/) in Hope Street) see the Polish Cultural Institute website here (http://www.polishculture.org.uk/in_uk.html).

SteH

04-12-2007, 11:46 PM

Of course in the interests of free speech I decided to let this one run for a while however most are aware of my feelings on the subject and its effect of forum relationships. I posted a request while ago here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321) that explains more.

Now the thread is about the Polish Community of Liverpool and its development. So ideally in this section, the discussion should inform the general public and our visitors of the development of communities that have grown including our own, educating those who know little about the diverse groups living in Liverpool.

Do we agree its going off topic?

It seems it was my post about a Daily Mail article about Polish foods in supermarkets and foreign workers undercutting British workers that kicked all this off, sorry!

Howie

04-12-2007, 11:53 PM

It seems it was my post about a Daily Mail article about Polish foods in supermarkets and foreign workers undercutting British workers that kicked all this off, sorry!
No, I think Councillor Steve Radford was clearly to blame for this diversion. :rolleyes:

SteH

04-12-2007, 11:59 PM

No, I think Councillor Steve Radford was clearly to blame for this diversion. :rolleyes:

For the BNP bit he was, but my comment on the Mail article opened up debate on whether or not Poles should be here in the first place

john

04-13-2007, 12:11 AM

For the BNP bit he was, but my comment on the Mail article opened up debate on whether or not Poles should be here in the first place

Your posting restarted the thread that turned out to be a good informative discussion, from food, to the guardian article on take aways of the world, to the EU, we moved off topic that was our problem.
Keep posting :PDT11

Howie

04-13-2007, 12:29 AM

Despite what may have been said about Steve Radford's desire to send out political campaign leaflets in Polish I note that Merseyside Police already provide advice leaflets in Polish, see e.g. Victims of Crime – support and advice (http://www.merseyside.police.uk/Docs/support/victims/polish%20Victims.pdf) (Ofiary przestępstw – wsparcie i porady).

john

04-13-2007, 12:34 AM

Talking to my mate who is a fireman, they have been trying to promote fire safety/smoke alarms advice but have had difficulty due to the polish view of the fire service, in poland thay are like the police/the state/authority where as the fire service here is very different.

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 12:39 AM

So, what has Europe ever done for us? Apart from...

Published: 21 March 2007

Ahhhh! If I might be so bold as to ask for a few days and I'll answer these points.

:)

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 12:40 AM

What about brits who work abroad, like oil rig workers making a fortune. What about gap students working as bar staff in spain (in British bars no doubt), holiday reps or the factory workers going to Holland making good money?

That's for other countries to sort out, sausage. I argue against the Poles that undercut the British workers' wage.

Howie

04-13-2007, 12:43 AM

Ahhhh! If I might be so bold as to ask for a few days and I'll answer these points.

:)
E-mail it to me Dave.

Howie

04-13-2007, 12:44 AM

That's for other countries to sort out, sausage. I argue against the Poles that undercut the British workers' wage.
Or the English bosses that exploit the Polish workers!

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 12:45 AM

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 12:45 AM

E-mail it to me Dave.

T'anks for the offer, but I'll post it on here.

:)

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 12:45 AM

Or the English bosses that exploit the Polish workers!

Fair point.

john

04-13-2007, 12:48 AM

I wonder how much this adds to the council tax? Surely if the Poles are working here then they should learn the local lingo?

:)

Does that go for the Brits in France and Spain??

john

04-13-2007, 12:53 AM

Ahhhhhh! As long as I am a member of this forum then the BNP will have a voice here, sweet pip.

Seems to me that you are more that a supporter of the BNP, would be right in thinking that?

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 12:53 AM

Does that go for the Brits in France and Spain??

Yes. If you are going to work with the Johnnies in their own country then you should learn to speak the local language.

:)

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 12:55 AM

Seems to me that you are more that a supporter of the BNP, would be right in thinking that?

Are you thinking that I might be a member of said party? For your information I am NOT a member of the BNP.

john

04-13-2007, 12:58 AM

Are you thinking that I might be a member of said party? For your information I am NOT a member of the BNP.

So which party are you a member of ?

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 01:01 AM

So which party are you a member of ?

That, sausage, is private.

:)

john

04-13-2007, 01:01 AM

That, sausage, is private.

:)

That says it all
:handclap:

Howie

04-13-2007, 01:03 AM

I think we're wandering off-topic again!

john

04-13-2007, 01:04 AM

I think we're wandering off-topic again!

Wandering. we are way off topic

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 01:05 AM

I think we're wandering off-topic again!

Quite right, Howie! Er....what was the topic again?

:PDT_Xtremez_42:

john

04-13-2007, 01:06 AM

That, sausage, is private.

:)

By the way don't sausage me

Howie

04-13-2007, 01:06 AM

Quite right, Howie! Er....what was the topic again?

:PDT_Xtremez_42:
Polish community in Liverpool

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 01:07 AM

By the way don't sausage me

Oh! Why? Does it wind you up? If so then I believe it a good reason to continue to call you sausage, sausage.

:)

A.D.W

04-13-2007, 01:08 AM

Polish community in Liverpool

Polish community in Liverpool? Of course! I am somewhat forgetful in my old age.

:)

Kev

04-13-2007, 08:36 AM

The thread will be closed should it wonder off topic again.

john

04-13-2007, 08:58 AM

:PDT11

SteH

04-13-2007, 09:00 AM

The thread will be closed should it wonder off topic again.

:handclap: :handclap: :handclap: :handclap:

i'll try and get it back on topic, here (http://whatsup.merseyblogs.co.uk/) is a bilingual blog about Polish and Merseyside culture.

drone_pilot

04-13-2007, 05:08 PM

A.D.W

04-14-2007, 03:23 AM

The thread will be closed should it wonder off topic again.

Awwww! Kev, Kev, Kev! You are such a passion killer.

:)

marie

04-14-2007, 04:11 AM

SteH

04-14-2007, 09:31 AM

It is possible to create a community with a person? I believe that I am the only Basque one in Liverpool... It is a joke. Really, I did not see very much foreign in Liverpool, I think that it is not like London, probably I am confused.

London must be 50% foreign now. I got a bus from Liverpool St to Tottenham in December and there must have only been 10 English passengers out of 50-60 on there - and they were using it to go to the football because there was a bomb scare on the trains.

Regarding Liverpool, I think most would agree on here there are high numbers of foreign peope in some areas - historically Toteth but maybe now Edge Hill abd Kensington as well. But in others there are virtualy none at all.

Jericho

04-14-2007, 10:36 AM

It is possible to create a community with a person? I believe that I am the only Basque one in Liverpool... It is a joke. Really, I did not see very much foreign in Liverpool, I think that it is not like London, probably I am confused.

It depends on how you define 'foreign'. I'm not sure how easy it is to know whether someone is foreign or not unless you hear them talk. If you are talking about colour, most black and Chinese people you see about the city are as Liverpudlian as anyone else so hardly foreign. It's mostly in parts of L8that you can find large non-white communities that contain people who were not born in Liverpool (as well, of course, as those who were).

In the last census, Liverpool was depicted overall as quite a 'white' city. If I'm not mistaken it was the most 'white' of all the major UK cities. This surprised me until I thought about it and realised that Liverpool had not seen the massive influx of Asians seen by other cities because its economy was stagnant for so long. This is changing. In South Liverpool many of the local corner shops are now owned by Asian Liverpudlians and thankfully no longer close at 6pm.

I know you were joking but it's unlikely that you are the only Basque in Liverpool. My guess is that the easiest way of meeting other Basques would be via the Catholic church or one of the universities or LIPA.

If you walk around places like the Albert Dock or visit the cathedrals you often hear other languages being spoken. Actually the further away from the area by the precinct the more likely you are to meet people from all corners of the earth bur if you want to meet locals this is a good place to meet them.

In one of your recent posts you were talking about looking at property in the L17 area. In and around Lark Lane you often hear all the major European languages being spoken.

I think Liverpool is on the cusp of quite a substantial foreign influx. The Poles and Somalis have been particularly successful at establishing themselves in the city, I'm sure more groups will follow.

Jericho

04-14-2007, 10:46 AM

London must be 50% foreign now. I got a bus from Liverpool St to Tottenham in December and there must have only been 10 English passengers out of 50-60 on there - and they were using it to go to the football because there was a bomb scare on the trains.

Regarding Liverpool, I think most would agree on here there are high numbers of foreign peope in some areas - historically Toteth but maybe now Edge Hill abd Kensington as well. But in others there are virtualy none at all.

I read somewhere or heard it on the radio that close to the majority of people who live in London were born elsewhere! It's full of ex-Liverpudians that's for sure.

I think Kensington and Edge Hill will benefit from new businesses being opened up in those areas by people born elsewhere.

lindylou

04-14-2007, 08:30 PM

I used to study Spanish at various evening classes. One of the tutors was from Bilbao.

Kev

04-14-2007, 09:53 PM

Awwww! Kev, Kev, Kev! You are such a passion killer.

:)

OMG - just think of Thatcher, that's a passion killer :PDT_Xtremez_42:

john

04-14-2007, 10:04 PM

OMG - just think of Thatcher, that's a passion killer :PDT_Xtremez_42:

:PDT11

A.D.W

04-14-2007, 10:21 PM

OMG - just think of Thatcher, that's a passion killer :PDT_Xtremez_42:

I think Tony Blair is the bigger passion killer, but each to his own I suppose.

:PDT_Xtremez_42:

john

04-14-2007, 10:27 PM

Kev and AD please keep on topic :202 (1):

Passion killers is another thread:)

Howie

04-14-2007, 11:08 PM

Polish Shop in Kensington,
You have to admire the poles for their resolution.
They do small gurkins in sweet wine vineger, Loverly.

http://www.militaryimages.net/imagehost/images/dronepilot/jpg0011.jpg

Nice pic! There's another Polish store on the next block as well, opposite Holt Road.

marie

04-14-2007, 11:18 PM

About to find Basque people, I was joking. But It´s true that I cannor saw a lot of foreigners in Pool, than London or others cities.

I do not find to anybody for our nationality. I like to know the people who cross my way. But I think that it is important to adapt to a place, without never forgetting wherefrom you come. Here, for example, there have been some problems. The doors were opened always as tourist. They were coming as tourists, and they have remained to living illegally. When the Government hardened the procedure for businessman that they were contracting illegal, these persons remained without work.

This provoked an increase of delinquency. For example, in some small villages, some communities of illegal were overcoming the number of native inhabitants. When one prohibited them to be employed at the fish-ponds, they continued encamped. To be able to survive, they were stealing in fields and houses.

I do not know the English laws, on regulation of emigration, but I know that are different. But I have a Mauritanian friend, who lives here for years. He does not want to leave of here, has fixed work, a house in rent, studies Castilian(Spanish) and Basque, etc. He is happy here. The attempt to visit his friend who lives in London, and the Government did not allow it to him. For that the British Government is afraid that he remains like illegal.

Here the situation is different from England. The specially Chinese and African communities, they do not mix with the rest. They live in a so called neighborhood San Francisco, near the center of the city. There they have his business for them. Many of them have not learned Castilian or Basque. They do not want to establish contact with native people of here. Here, you cannot see a white boy speaking with a black boy. Why? I do not understand it. The same thing does not happen in other places of the world. I think that it is important to adapt to the customs of the country in which you live.

The slightly difficult one to deal for me, for which when I visited Africa, I had to put on a handkerchief in the hair, and only she was a tourist. I do not want that they turn for obligation into Basques, but I think that it would be good that they try to learn the language and to know some customs.

marie

04-15-2007, 01:44 AM

I hope that my evil English, does not make look like to me a racist. I am not, I it cannot be, my heart me it prevents. I providing that I have travelled, have never had problems. Always I have found people who has helped me.
Really, the only problems that I has been with absurd commentaries with people of the Spanish State, which they have the square head, and they think that all the Basques are terrorist... It is hard to go with a car to another city, and that the police give birth in the highway or prohiban to the entry in the parking of a mall. But in England, The United States, Ireland... I have never had any problem, everything opposite. And since they me have treated me very well, I try to do the same thing with the people who comes here than like worker or tourist. Only I think that here, where I live, should put his granite of sand to try to join.

A.D.W

04-15-2007, 03:40 PM

I hope that my evil English, does not make look like to me a racist. I am not, I it cannot be, my heart me it prevents. I providing that I have travelled, have never had problems. Always I have found people who has helped me.

Marie, you speak and write the English language very well indeed. It is far, far better than my attempts at Euskara the Basque language.

A.D.W

04-15-2007, 03:44 PM

Really, the only problems that I has been with absurd commentaries with people of the Spanish State, which they have the square head, and they think that all the Basques are terrorist... It is hard to go with a car to another city, and that the police give birth in the highway or prohiban to the entry in the parking of a mall. But in England, The United States, Ireland... I have never had any problem, everything opposite. And since they me have treated me very well, I try to do the same thing with the people who comes here than like worker or tourist. Only I think that here, where I live, should put his granite of sand to try to join.

The Basque people are a fine people and saying that they are all terrrorists is like saying all Irish or muslims are terrorists. I have been to Barcelona just the once and it was a most beautiful city and is a place I would one day like to visit again - as long as I can overturn the banning order that prevents me living this country at the moment!!

:)

snoochie boochie

04-18-2007, 11:11 AM

One of the poor things snuffed it in underworld after doin 2 shifts!
Rank!
Baldwin must be turning in his grave.

taffy

04-19-2007, 01:17 PM

In talking about the Polish Communities, it's as well to remember we went to war with Germany in 1939 in defence of the Poles. The photo is of a plaque at Lymm in Cheshire. Its text is worth remembering.

In many ways, the arrival of all the Poles in Liverpool and elsewhere is simply the direct result of those events started in September 1939.

SteH

04-24-2007, 08:47 PM

the Polish food store on Derby Lane appears to have closed, but a Polish Advice Centre has opened on Picton Road.

taffy

04-28-2007, 04:47 PM

the Polish food store on Derby Lane appears to have closed, but a Polish Advice Centre has opened on Picton Road.

Photo of Polish Advice centre on High St below

taffy

05-05-2007, 07:48 PM

Spotted this bus parked at the Pierhead

MariaC

05-05-2007, 07:51 PM

Spotted this bus parked at the Pierhead

They give me a sign to read like that when I had to go for my glasses to the opicians. he he he

marky

05-09-2007, 08:35 AM

'Poland' grafitti, Scotland Road subway.

Ged

05-09-2007, 11:50 AM

Some more.

taffy

08-01-2007, 04:10 PM

Interesting find:

Poles and the air defence of Liverpool in WW2 from Speke Airport

Formerly an airfield which housed the Liverpool defence squadrons during World War II, the land on which Hurricane Court stands was once one of the main runways.

“Our research showed that this was home to one English and two Polish squadrons of the famous Hurricane fighter aircraft which defended the port and city of Liverpool from bombing raids throughout the Second World War,” said David Smith of Gladman Developments.

“We thought it would be appropriate in naming the scheme to give the development a link to the sites history.”

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/business/commercial-property-liverpool/2007/08/01/space-already-sold-as-scheme-launches-64375-19550408/

kebabman

08-02-2007, 07:32 AM

Polish people are in Wirral as well..
It seems they are fitting well with comminity...
They are working hard,going out and enjoying themself.They do try kebabs as well which is bonus for my business:)
I know how they feel,away from homeland,missing many things and try to have some of things here which they use to have in Poland.
If they stay long enough here ,they will missing Poland,when They go to Poland they'll be missing here...

Kev

08-03-2007, 08:52 PM

Interesting find:

Poles and the air defence of Liverpool in WW2 from Speke Airport

Formerly an airfield which housed the Liverpool defence squadrons during World War II, the land on which Hurricane Court stands was once one of the main runways.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1343/999737676_964acba91f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/999737676/)

Hartanii

10-06-2007, 05:19 PM

Yes I am Irish and we went to something like that. I can agree with you. I think the work your people do here is very good. I wish you good luck and a happy life here.

Waterways

10-07-2007, 12:11 AM

In talking about the Polish Communities, it's as well to remember we went to war with Germany in 1939 in defence of the Poles.

And we were in no position to defend Poland.

Poland was no better than Germany at the time. It passed anti-Jewish laws before the Germans, was also a dictatorship with freedom curtailed, and invaded parts of Czechoslovakia, when Hitler went in. Britain had no affinity to Poland. It was the French who sided 100% with Poland and Britain tagged along. It was a case of saying, this is a country too far, not because the UK had any affection towards Poland.

The reality was the French had a defence pact with Poland and as the UK sided with the French we were dragged into it.

The UK had no connection with Eastern Europe, and still doesn't. The UK always turned its back on Europe and faced the open sea. Pre WW2, Poland passed laws forbidding Jews being civil servants. Jews needed permits to enter some towns. The "Times" correspondent in 1937 said "Poland was a nightmare for Jews". Poland was the most anti-Semitic country in Europe, with constant anti-Jew riots. Pogrom is a Polish word. When Poland was officially recognised by the Treaty of Versailles, the British economist, Keynes, said "it is an economic impossibility, whose only industry is Jew-bating".

Between the wars, Poland fought six campaigns against its neighbours and wanted to declare war on Germany in 1934, but the British and French would not join them.

The "Jewish question" was a constant debate in Poland way before it was in Germany. The lot of the Jew between 1919 and 1939 deteriorated in Poland.

In 1939 was little between Poland and Nazi Germany. Britain had no right to side with such a country at the time. It was foolish too. We sided with one dictatorial anti-Semitic nation against another.

In many ways, the arrival of all the Poles in Liverpool and elsewhere is simply the direct result of those events started in September 1939.

I doubt it. More to do with economics.

Dovedale

10-08-2007, 03:59 PM

peter irving

11-21-2007, 08:44 PM

any polish workers in merseyside would be more than wellcome to play handball at liverpoolhandball club, we train at greenbank sports academy tuesday and thursday men/women. you can find out about our club at www.liverpool-handballclub.co.uk

Howie

12-28-2007, 11:58 PM

North West running out of Polish workers
Dec 28 2007
by David Higgerson, Liverpool Daily Post

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/liverpoolpost/oct2007/7/0/7A178CC6-CE31-1DCD-264BF884CF4AE9E9.jpg

MERSEYSIDE is facing a potential workforce crisis in the future unless it starts attracting immigrants from countries other than Poland.

A report prepared by economic experts warns that Merseyside employers are relying too heavily on Poles, and says workers from other countries need to be attracted as well.

The report, by the North West Development Agency’s intelligence unit, warns there is only a “finite” number of Poles prepared to move to the UK, and when it is exhausted vacancies may go unfilled.

The NWDA has now called on employers to ensure vacancies appeal to people from a wide variety of countries. It stresses this is particularly important if the “brain-drain” of educated Merseysiders to other parts of the UK continues.

Immigration to Merseyside already appears to be slowing down, with a 1.6% increase between 05/06 and 06/07, compared to 5% for the North West and nearly 8% nationally.

Polish workers made up 39.2% of all National Insurance (NI) registrations in 2006/07 in the region. Any migrant seeking to work legally in the UK has to apply for an NI number.

In London, Poles represented 19.2% of registrations.

A spokesman for the NWDA said: “London is not anywhere near as reliant as the other regions on Polish migration to boost numbers.

“When migration from that country eventually starts to decline, which would be logical as there is an upper limit on the number of Poles who can leave Poland, London will be nowhere nearly as badly affected by this as the other regions.

“The capital attracts people from a large number of countries, while the North West attracts people from a much narrower base of countries.”

The first wave of Polish workers – and those from other Eastern European countries which have recently joined the EU – worked mainly in manufacturing and the building trade, filling posts which employers locally would otherwise have struggled to recruit for.

The spokesman added: “The North West is one of the regions that suffers most from internal outflows. If the region is to boost the size and capability of the workforce, it is essential that the focus is on two fronts, attracting internal and external migrants and keeping more people in the region, particularly young, educated workers.

“There needs to be more focus put on the demand side, trying to create jobs that will ensure migrants, not just semi-skilled but high-skilled workers are attracted to the region.

“Additionally, the region should emphasise its natural advantages, such as the high quality of life and affordable housing.

“Areas such as Preston and Manchester have attracted new migrants thanks to the significant number of offices in the districts. There is now a move towards working in offices, not just as low-level workers such as cleaners, but also as administration workers, as migrants try to realise their full potential and utilise their educated background.”

Experts in Liverpool said the key to attracting new migrants was ensuring they felt able to integrate with the indigenous population.

Ewan Roberts, centre manager at Asylum Link, said: “The problem is the city is not prepared. Libraries and citizens’ advice offices don’t have the infrastructure to deal with people coming from overseas. We would be better to be pro-active.”

A report prepared by the Merseyside Social Inclusion Observatory, based on research conducted in the Kensington area of Liverpool, concluded that the vast majority of migrants – mainly Poles – had taken jobs which otherwise would have been left unfilled.

Another of its studies concluded that the North West is short of 80,000 graduates to fill skilled posts, leaving a £13bn “productivity gap” it believes could be filled by the region’s 100,000 legal immigrants.

Dave McCall, from Migrant Workers North West, said: “We have ended up with lots of migrant workers coming to the country with advanced skills but who have ended up doing low-skilled jobs.

“Migrant workers are bringing a lot of economic benefits to the North West, but we aren’t matching up the skills they have with the shortages that exist. We need to make sure they know that the opportunities to progress are here.”

Source: Liverpool Daily Post (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2007/12/28/north-west-running-out-of-polish-workers-64375-20292345/)

Howie

12-04-2008, 01:38 PM

Date for Polish Christmas
Dec 4 2008
by Catherine Jones, Liverpool Echo

MERSEYSIDE residents are invited to enjoy a Polish Christmas.

The Polonia group, which was set up in October to give everyone the chance to enjoy Polish culture and form new friendships with people of different cultural backgrounds, is celebrating the start of the festive season with a Christmas event.

Polonia was set up by charity Yellow House, with support from Liverpool council.

Tomorrow people will have the chance to sample Polish Christmas Eve dishes, find out more about Christmas traditions in Poland and sing traditional Polish Christmas carols.

The Merseyside Polonia Christmas takes place at the Academy of St Francis of Assisi, in Fairfield, at 6.30pm. Details: email info@merseysidepolonia.com or visit www.merseysidepolonia.com (http://www.merseysidepolonia.com)

Source: Liverpool Echo (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/12/04/date-for-polish-christmas-100252-22400353/)

Eve Rosenhaft

02-11-2009, 12:47 PM

Readers of this thread might be interested in an exhibition and film series taking place now:

International travelling exhibition ?Names Instead of Numbers?

10 February ? 7 March 2009
Tuesday to Saturday, 10 a.m. ? 5 p.m.
Victoria Gallery & Museum
University of Liverpool
Ashton Street, Liverpool
www.liv.ac.uk/vgm/

This exhibition shows a selection of 22 biographies from the Remembrance Book for the Prisoners of the Dachau Concentration Camp and has been displayed in Germany, France, Great Britain, the Netherlands, Austria, and Poland. It reveals some individual ?names? behind the ?numbers? of 200,000 prisoners and more than 32,000 dead in Dachau, and their stories ? Poles, Dutch and Frenchmen, Jews and Christians, political prisoners and ?undesirables?, ?Gypsies? and slave labourers.

To accompany the exhibition, a season of classic documentaries, introduced by staff of the SOCLAS, will be shown every Saturday during the exhibition period (14, 21, 28 February and 7 March).

For details see http://www.liv.ac.uk/soclas/conferences/names.htm

Howie

03-08-2009, 11:53 PM

http://web.onetel.net.uk/~howardpaterson/uploads/Polish%20Shop.jpg

Howie

04-04-2009, 11:58 PM

Traditional Polish Easter planned in Liverpool
Apr 4 2009
by Ben Schofield, Liverpool Echo

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/article/11162100/2009/04/03/12567760.jpeg

A TRADITIONAL Polish Easter is coming to Liverpool.

Merseyside Polonia is hosting events on Good Friday and Easter Sunday. A Meet Your Neighbours was held at St Francis of Assisi Academy yesterday. Singing group Po Prostu Nowa Biesiada performed Easter songs and there was the chance for people to tuck in to some traditional culinary delights.

On Sunday, the World Museum is hosting an egg-decorating day and arts and crafts displays. Visit www.merseysidepolonia.com (http://www.merseysidepolonia.com/)

Source: Liverpool Echo (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2009/04/04/traditional-polish-easter-planned-in-liverpool-100252-23309663/)

polishzone

08-20-2009, 12:33 PM

http://www.polishzone.co.uk/web/konkurs
Konkurs
Wygraj bilety na mecz Pucharu Davisa pomiędzy Polską i Anglią, kt?ry odbędzie się w dniach 18-20 września w Liverpoolu.

Mamy do rozdania trzy pary bilet?w.

Odpowiedz tylko na poniższe pytanie:

Gdzie znajduje się ?The All England Lawn Tennis Club", organizator najbardziej na świecie prestiżowych zawod?w w tenisie trawiastym?

?A) Wolverhampton
?B) Wimbledon
?C) Basildon
Odpowiedź wyślij na adres kontakt , podając swoje imię, nazwisko i adres w celu otrzymania bilet?w.

Konkurs trwa do 12 września 2009 roku

Win Tickets for the Davis Cup Match Between Poland and Great Britain 18-20th September in Liverpool.

We have 3 pairs of tickets to give away.

Just answer this question.

In which famous venue is the ?The All England Lawn Tennis Club', the home of the world's most prestigious grass court tennis tournament ?

?A) Wolverhampton
?B) Wimbledon
?C) Basildon
Send you answer by email to contact , including your name and address for mailing the tickets

Closing Date 12th September 2009.

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unitytheatre

09-28-2009, 06:17 PM

Hi,

Just wanted to tell you about about a fantastic production; The Glass Mountain Szklana Gora, which shows at Unity on Fri 9 & Sat 10 October at 8pm.

The Glass Mountain tells the story of Olek, Polish baker by day and dreamer by night, who boards a bus for England only to find himself on a much bigger journey than he bargained for.

This exciting international production from leading theatre company Trestle, weaves together the polish myth of The Glass Mountain with contemporary stroies of migration.

Inspired by Eastern European traditions of singing stroies and expressed through original music and physical performance, this is a hopeful and heartfelt tale about what it is to journey into the unknown.

You can read a review of the show here http://www.whatsonstage.com/reviews/theatre/southeast/E8831254141377/The+Glass+Mountain+%28Szklana+G%F3ra%29+%28tour+%9 6+St+Albans%29.html

Glass Mountain shows at Unity, 1 Hope Place, Liverpool from Fri 9 - Sat 10 October at 8pm. Tickets are ?9 with ?7 concessions. call 0151 709 4988 or click www.unitytheatreliverpool.co.uk to book now!

ItsaZappathing

11-01-2009, 11:18 AM

Have all the Polish folk gone back home ? I don't see as many as I used to and my mates flats are now empty.?

underworld

11-01-2009, 11:45 AM

If you have never been to Poland, Sleazyjet goes from Liverpool to Krakow and it is pretty cheap to get there. The city is really nice and well worth a visit. The shops are lovely along with the people. The food is also tremendous as is Polish Vodka.

I notice that a few of the links given on this thread for Polish associatons etc no longer exist. I wonder if this is indicative of the numbers perhaps returning to Poland or is there still a strong community in the city. Does anyone know of any Polish web links for the city?

pablo42

11-01-2009, 12:09 PM

I've never been to Poland, love to go. I don't rate Polish food though, had it in a restaurant in London. Maybe it just don't travel too well. Had many a good session with Polish vodka. Remember them starting...that's all.

underworld

11-01-2009, 01:22 PM

Real Polish food is great. They do a dish that looks like Ravioli (but its not) and they are filled with soft cheese. Gorgeous.

pablo42

11-01-2009, 01:27 PM

Real Polish food is great. They do a dish that looks like Ravioli (but its not) and they are filled with soft cheese. Gorgeous.

I've had that, but I'm sure it was Italian. Spose there's lots of similar food though.

ItsaZappathing

11-01-2009, 02:28 PM

That Pablo always thinking of his belly:unibrow:

pablo42

11-01-2009, 02:36 PM

That Pablo always thinking of his belly:unibrow:

Just love good food. Had it all over the World. One of me main reasons for going on holiday. If it were up to me, I wouldn't go outside the UK anymore. Gotta take me grandson to Disneyland though. Looking forward to that.

pablo42

11-01-2009, 02:38 PM

That Pablo always thinking of his belly:unibrow:

Is that a new Avatar? Preferred the last one. Made you look sophisticated.

Ha, what am I saying...

underworld

11-01-2009, 04:12 PM

Just love good food. Had it all over the World. One of me main reasons for going on holiday. If it were up to me, I wouldn't go outside the UK anymore. Gotta take me grandson to Disneyland though. Looking forward to that.

Disneyland or Disneyworld? Happy queueing!

pablo42

11-01-2009, 04:20 PM

Disneyland or Disneyworld? Happy queueing!

That stupid one in Florida. Dunno what it's called. Really looking forward to it. Just me and the little fella.

ItsaZappathing

11-01-2009, 08:51 PM

That stupid one in Florida. Dunno what it's called. Really looking forward to it. Just me and the little fella.

Sounds great. Don't forget our prezzies:PDT11
Whaddya mean "it made me look sophisticated" ? I think the new one say's it all for todays music scene:PDT11

Polish food I've never tried. I hated the food in Italy too.I'll try anything but I will never taste food better than me ma's. What a cook.:handclap:

lenka

11-01-2009, 09:09 PM

Polish food I've never tried.

:rolleyes: http://www.krykiet.com/polish_food.htm :)

pablo42

11-02-2009, 12:37 AM

Zap, you never liked the food in Italy! Shame on you, reckon they beat the French hands down at cooking, and the French are fantastic.

underworld

11-02-2009, 08:45 AM

Pierogi, thats the dish. Lovely jubilee. Thanks Lenka.

ItsaZappathing

11-02-2009, 08:56 AM

Zap, you never liked the food in Italy! Shame on you, reckon they beat the French hands down at cooking, and the French are fantastic.

Sorry Pabs but the French eat some ugly food. Italian food...bland !!
As for the Polish....hmm, too much dodgy meat for me. You can't beat a good Indian dish.:PDT_Piratz_26:

ItsaZappathing

11-02-2009, 08:59 AM

And speaking of Frenchness....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzQn2HBRACQ
That's me:PDT_Piratz_26:

lindylou

11-02-2009, 10:56 AM

I hated the food in Italy too.I'll try anything but I will never taste food better than me ma's. What a cook.:handclap:

:eek: your Italian in-laws won't be happy with you :PDT_Xtremez_42:

Italian food is good.

Way off topic here !

Some fresh cooked paella we had last week in Spain.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rubinda/Benal%20box/Image034.jpg

and eating it in a nice setting with a mountain view
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rubinda/Benal%20box/Image035.jpg

JMLE

11-02-2009, 02:40 PM

We had a Polish Consulate here in Liverpool before WW1. My Grandfather, en route from Lithuania to America, arrived here in Liverpool and went to the Polish Consulate for information. The lovely Polish girl working there, my Grandmother, said that her father had a room available to rent. He didn't make it to America, they married and lived in and around Tatlock Street. There was quite a Polish community around there as my Grandfather used to help run Polish clubs/dancehalls around Vauxhall. So as you may or may not know, the Polish/Eastern European influx started a lot longer ago.

scouse smurf

11-02-2009, 02:51 PM

I don't mind Halva :)

underworld

11-02-2009, 02:57 PM

I just love Paella.

ItsaZappathing

11-03-2009, 08:39 AM

:eek: your Italian in-laws won't be happy with you :PDT_Xtremez_42:

Italian food is good.

Italian food is good...In the bin!!!!
Sod the in-laws,my taste buds are more important:PDT_Piratz_26:

tml

01-22-2010, 04:02 PM

Can I still find Lovely Krakus Blackcurrant jam in L'pool? Matta's no longer sells it and I'm hungry

JMLE

01-22-2010, 04:14 PM

Sainsbury's, Old Swan, have a Polish food section so you might get your jam there.

tml

01-22-2010, 04:22 PM

thanks for that JMLE. I'm heading along Queens Drive in about 10mins so will pop in. Might even take a slice of bread along. Cheers

Ged

01-22-2010, 04:38 PM

Polish food store on Wavertree High st.

lindylou

01-22-2010, 08:20 PM

You might be able to order some on-line.

skibum

01-26-2010, 09:51 PM

Any passengers that should have flown on cancelled Easyjet flights 7251 or 7252 from Liverpool to Krakow to Liverpool on December 24th, would you like up to €400 compensation? NO WIN NO FEE Email: enquiries@collectivelegalsolutions.org.uk for more information.

pablo42

01-26-2010, 10:13 PM

There's a Polish food store on Nantwich Road in Crewe. I'll look out for any more.

if I'm down there, give me a list and I'll pick it up for you.

wsteve55

01-26-2010, 11:55 PM

thanks for that JMLE. I'm heading along Queens Drive in about 10mins so will pop in. Might even take a slice of bread along. Cheers

Well TML, did you manage to get some?:nod:

tml

01-29-2010, 03:10 AM

Well TML, did you manage to get some?:nod:

I'm still looking for it wsteve55. Tried the Sainsburys and the shops in Kenny and Wavertee (the couple running the Wav shop are lovely). Looked online and the jam was £2 but the p&p was another £3. I'll keep looking anyhow. Thanks for all the suggestions.

BernadetteG

02-23-2010, 01:16 AM

Wasn't Speke airport a Polish air base during WWII? My uncle was a Polish Jew whose familly arrived in Liverpool at the turn of the last century. The familly settled in the Brownlow hill area that was apparently full of Polish Jews with their own shops etc. The old butchers on Pembroke place with the green ceramic tiled front was Polish wasn't it? Can't remember the name though..

Wow! You've brought back memories. My father was Polish, he came to UK in 1945. My Sundays involved Mass at 10am at the local Catholic Church, after which I had to get the bus into Liverpool and walk up Brownlow Hill to the Jewish food shop at the very top up near the University Campus. I can't remember the name but Oy Vey do I remember the delicious aroma! Plait bread, black rye bread, poppy seed bread,bagels, cheesecake, boczek, kielbasa - I brought the lot home! I was only 4ft tall and 9 years of age and I had 2 leather shopping bags which my father made by hand, filled to the brim with Jewish food for my Polish father. He'd never have survived in UK without his kielbasa and black bread. You younguns think a Tesco bagel is a REAL bagel? Think again! :slywink:

pablo42

02-23-2010, 01:41 AM

Wow! You've brought back memories. My father was Polish, he came to UK in 1945. My Sundays involved Mass at 10am at the local Catholic Church, after which I had to get the bus into Liverpool and walk up Brownlow Hill to the Jewish food shop at the very top up near the University Campus. I can't remember the name but Oy Vey do I remember the delicious aroma! Plait bread, black rye bread, poppy seed bread,bagels, cheesecake, boczek, kielbasa - I brought the lot home! I was only 4ft tall and 9 years of age and I had 2 leather shopping bags which my father made by hand, filled to the brim with Jewish food for my Polish father. He'd never have survived in UK without his kielbasa and black bread. You younguns think a Tesco bagel is a REAL bagel? Think again! :slywink:

I remmeber the Polish Club in Cheetham Hill in Manchester. Most of the older guys were Polish Airborne Troops, they had a bad time of it in Arnham. Brave men indeed.

BernadetteG

02-25-2010, 01:28 PM

Rafal, I can't get that link you've posted to work. I've copied and pasted it without the brackets at each end but it's still coming up as a broken link. Any ideas what's wrong?

wsteve55

02-26-2010, 02:23 AM

Roscoe

02-26-2010, 04:02 AM

In reply to Christy's comment on the butchers,in Pembroke place!This was P.Galkoff's, which now has it's own website,and also,possible plans for restoration of some kind! :nod:

http://galkoffs.tripod.com/

The Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine I believe own the adjoining property that supports Galkoffs , number 31 Pembroke Place, but they wish to demolish it. This will bring down Galkoffs and the LSTM will get the entire site for there new proposals. The matter is currently at the Civil Courts but it does not look hopeful that it will survive. Mr Bill Gates has given them far too much $$$$ so they will do whatever they want with their property.

You never know they may have a change of heart and at least try keep the facade. I hope and wish they try and protect the tiled shop front before they remove their property.