Everton District

[macca]

Hello. I am a student, and for my project I am trying to find out more about Everton and other parts of north Liverpool.

This is my question. I wanted to know why unemployment is high in Everton and other parts of north Liverpool; and why such a lot of people who live there are not active in the labour market, eg are on Invalidity Benefit.

I have visited a few times to try to find out why, asked people questions, looked around, and I cannot work this out.

There are lots of jobs in the centre of Liverpool. Lots of them. Construction, retail, security, cleaning, office jobs - temp, part time, permanent etc. More jobs than all the unemployed people in Everton. But only a few miles away, people who say there are no jobs.

What is going on?

One girl I spoke to, looked about 18, said she would not work "in town". I asked her why, she said she didn't like going into town. Is this typical? Are there people in Liverpool who do not travel to the centre of the city at all, in their lives?

Does anyone know what is wrong here? Is it because there are not enough jobs? Is it because people in some areas are too scared to go into the centre of the city to take up jobs?

I would love to know what the real problem is, I am not able to find an answer to this.

Thanks for any views or information you can provide.

[Howie]

Interesting research method - asking loaded questions on a web forum. :rolleyes:

May I ask where you are a student and what you are studying? :question:

[macca]

I am doing my Masters @ Warwick. I don't know which are the loaded questions. The employment rates between the wards varies so much within Liverpool it's incredible, like there are two cities, north and south almost. The unemployment rates in Everton are very high, and the employment rate is very low. I don't understand why this is. It's not loaded, it's a really open question. Is it the place? Is it the people? Is it that employers are discriminating? Has something happened to make some bits of the city more insular than others? I am being told to use mixed methods for my project, so I have done statistical analysis of the unemployment / employment situation. I've also read studies and tried to find out what causes this, but none of them really say. So I have been, visited, spoken to strangers, and have been trying to get some people to be interviewed - like teachers in the schools, but it's wrong time of year.....!

So does anyone know what the problem is? There is a problems - lots of people in that area are ****ed off and poor and it feels miserable and I don't know what the solution is but before it's solved surely people have to find out why it's gone wrong? If that's loaded, sorry, but the facts speak for themselves, and I hope someone will say what they think the problems are here.

If this isn't the right place then sorry - but I don't think it's a crime to ask questions:)

[Bunnyman]

You're doing a Masters, and you're asking questions that an enlightened ten year could answer?
THERE IS A PROBLEMS? Try completing GCSE English before attempting to unravel the social problems of a deprived area mate.
:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

[macca]

Now now, let's have no knitpicking here. :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24: I have A level English grade A but I didn't bother spell checking and I was rushing. Seems that maybe people here are not very interested in this topic, but I think it's really interesting. I see this quite a lot on the net - people are often not keen to participate in research projects when they are asked, but a lot of people (doing research) don't say what they are doing, they just type out opinions, a few questions, and see where it goes - a more subtle method but I like to be upfront.

I'm just scoping the issues here, it's qualitative background I am after, to try to get some clues about good questions to ask when I finally get some proper interviews set-up. :celb (6): The questions might be easy ones, but the answers are elusive - there is no single or simple answer I can find as to why people born in Everton will be poorer and live shorter lives than those born a few miles further south. I will put my project up here if people want, once its complete - so people can see what I come up with.

[Kev]

Good idea Macca, I certainly could'nt offer you any info, I don't have the experience in such matters but good luck with your project.

[Bunnyman]

If you are serious, then I suggest you look into the collapse of dock work and industry in the north of the city (25,000 dockers down to 250 today). Have a look into the generation differences, how people today often have no 'working' family members to emulate-benefits being the norm. Also take a look unto the underworld of the area. A lot of younger people turn to drug crime as it is often more profitable than legitimate work. Find out about how large the local black market is, look into social housing policy, policing policy, lack of inward investment (supermarkets are large scale employers) etc.

Get cracking on that and let us know what you come up with.

http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/
http://www.wikipedia.org/

Google is useful as well.
Search Liverpool docks, Tate & Lyle, Scotland Road.

[Kev]

If you are serious, then I suggest you look into the collapse of dock work and industry in the north of the city (25,000 dockers down to 250 today). Have a look into the generation differences, how people today often have no 'working' family members to emulate-benefits being the norm. Also take a look unto the underworld of the area. A lot of younger people turn to drug crime as it is often more profitable than legitimate work. Find out about how large the local black market is, look into social housing policy, policing policy, lack of inward investment (supermarkets are large scale employers) etc.

Get cracking on that and let us know what you come up with.

http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/
http://www.wikipedia.org/

Google is useful as well.
Search Liverpool docks, Tate & Lyle, Scotland Road.

There u go, :) good luck and have fun.

[Howie]

'Why is unemployment high in Everton?' is a loaded question. It falls into the same kind of category as 'Do trade unions have too much power?'

Your follow-up question as to why employment rates vary between the north and south of the city is more value neutral. The answer to which is that the north end of the city was a traditional white working class area and so was disproportionately affected by the collapse of the manufacturing sector in the eighties and has yet to recover.

[lindylou]

If you are serious, then I suggest you look into the collapse of dock work and industry in the north of the city (25,000 dockers down to 250 today). Have a look into the generation differences, how people today often have no 'working' family members to emulate-benefits being the norm. Also take a look unto the underworld of the area. A lot of younger people turn to drug crime as it is often more profitable than legitimate work. Find out about how large the local black market is, look into social housing policy, policing policy, lack of inward investment (supermarkets are large scale employers) etc.

What Bunnyman has stated is correct. Everton is just up the road from where I live.

[macca]

Thanks everyone, that is really usfeul. Some of the problems look similar to those in former pit villages in County Durham that I have read about - but a difference with Liverpool is that being a big city with a growing economy, there are more jobs, so you would think it would be easier to deal with the problem. With all the construction that is going on, you would think "they" could make sure that at least a few of the jobs were reserved for apprentices or people who are long-term unemployed from certain areas being helped into work? I was reading about the new canal being built to join up the Docks, and that there is a public subsidy from the RDA and European funds for it - but maybe that kind of money should only be given to projects where local labour and trainees are used and a few unemployed people from places like Everton are given priority. I know it wouldn't be practical to hire workforces just out of people who don't have skills or experience, but they ought to be able to keep a few jobs for those from places like Everton.

[Bunnyman]

You might want to consider the vast number of 'regeneration agencies' quango's and bodies set up to deliberate how best to squander our money. By the time they're all through talking, the budget deadline is fast approaching, and the money is thrown at any old crap in blind panic.

[wallasey]

Off topic but the problem with the Pits in County Durham is that the various Lead Mines and Coal Mines have gone. In most places (like Leadgate) all signs of it's industrial past have gone and only the samll workers cottages (like bungalows) remain. The same happened in South East Northumberland around Ashington.

The fortunes of most of the County Durham towns and villages are changing though. Weardale (more a lead mining centre) is now a popular place to have a second home and many villages (such as Westgate or Irishopeburn) have been taken over by those who like to go up there on hollidays. This has cosmetically improved the small villages and towns but has also caused locals to re-locate to slightly more un-desirable locations like Bishop Aukland and Consett (home of Elddis Caravans) which are larger towns which also had a heavy coal mining industry.

Back in Liverpool, Everton suffered a considerable population loss with the removal of all the terraces on Everton Ridge/St Georges Hill which will have meant that all the local services will have also gone. It seem all that much but the likes of Heyworth Street and Breck Road (the now cleared section) will have been lined with dozens of shops which will have employed a fair amount of the local population. Couple this with Tate and Lyle's closure as well as the extensive docks starting to shut up shop, you have a serious unemployment problem. Especially as quite a few industries moved out to Kirkby and possibly Speke.

[Ged]

A lot of what bunnyman said is spot on. You mentioned construction a few times Macca. Training schemes and apprenticeships in the trades such as bricklaying, plastering, plumbing, electricians are not what they used to be in the 70s and early 80s when I was falling in and out of schemes seemingly at will until I found what I wanted to do. These days this governments quick fix policy is to take in Polish for one example, for instance, where that crane crashed yesterday, the site was full of Polish. BBC Radio Merseyside's Roger Phillips extra had a one hour programme with older trades members and Unions moaning about how few youngsters are coming through and how Eastern Europeans will settle for a lot less in wages so it is the greedy bosses making a killing whilst still charging top wack to develop.

The South end, in particular Toxteth residents and especially black ones may have something to say about you thinking Everton is any more deprived than them. With the loss of the likes of Dock work, the B.A.T., Tillotsons, Athol st gas works, Tates and the list goes on - it's hardly surprising there are so many out of work in that area that depended on those jobs, some having whole families there.

Lots of Kosovans and Latvians and the like were moved into the Everton high rise prior to them being sold to the developers who have done a great job with them, those people found their way to private landlords in the terraced streets around the flower streets. Are these part of your unemployed figures or being asylum seekers are they exempt.

Of course there'll always be the workshy too who fall into the drugs scene and Kirkdale and Everton isn't without their 'heads'.

[Fergie]

Hi Macca.
Go back to the late 1960s when a number of building firms came to the fro of calling themselves develoment companys they put in a tender which was very low and they got the contract and then sub let to local firms which caused local firms to go bankrupty as for Tate & Lyles closing the reason being when the uk joined the eruo market and the had to use Beet Sugar and only 25 per cent of cane sugar and the biggest grows of beet sugar was France so get on your shanks pony in any City or Town in the UK and ask anyone over the age of 60 who voted to go in the eruo market you would be very luckly to find 2 out of 10 that vote to join it also check out the late Dennis
Thacther regards his Job go to Straford on Avon and also look at the first four letters of this party that was in power at this time as this says it.
Fergie

[TerryB]

Hello all. Great site. Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to find some images of the old 4 Squares tenements that were around the Soho St area, they're for my dad who lived there, and also the Radcliffe Estate. I was only very young when we left to move to Huyton and never got to see what it looked like.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Cheers.

[Gerard]

Hello all. Great site. Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to find some images of the old 4 Squares tenements that were around the Soho St area, they're for my dad who lived there, and also the Radcliffe Estate. I was only very young when we left to move to Huyton and never got to see what it looked like.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Cheers.


Hello Terry,
Have a look on here mate,ask yer Dad a few of the street names in the area and put the name in the Search box..IE..Wiliam Henry Street..good luck. .G.

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?search_word=SOHO+STREET&change=SearchResults

[TerryB]

Thanks Gerard, just what I was after. Some great pics of the area where my dad was brought up, Wakefield St, etc, or "wakie" as he calls it.

Can't find any of the Radcliffe Estate, though, which was only built in the 1970's. I'll keep looking, thanks anyway.

[baron10]

any one of scotty rd area about

[Ged]

Try the link that Gerard posted up for the council archives - mersey gateway.

ALso try www.scottiepress.org

and

www.inacityliving.piczo.com/

[scouserdave]

Terry,
there's a few old pics of Everton on the Council's archive site (http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=overview.tcl&dsqSearch=(((text)='jpg')AND(Title='everton'))), but the database is playing up and you can only view the thumbnails at the moment.

Have a play around with their search page (http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl)by putting "jpg" (without the "") in the AnyText box and any name that you think would be useful in the Title box. Or leave the Title box blank and view every image they currently have online!

[Gerard]

any one of scotty rd area about

Yep...!!

[Ged]

Gerard,looking for some Torr street photographs and revisited this site I remember going on a few years ago, still looking though.

http://www.emanuensis.btinternet.co.uk/neddy.htm

[scouserdave]

Gerard,looking for some Torr street photographs and revisited this site I remember going on a few years ago, still looking though.

http://www.emanuensis.btinternet.co.uk/neddy.htm
Ged, Dave Evans who made the site and myself were going to collaborate on his Everton Library page. I was going to supply the internal and external pics and he was going to do the writing. Sadly Dave passed away a couple of years back. His missus keeps the site online in rememberance to him.

[Ged]

Hiya Dave, yes sad that. I contacted Dave via email a year or so ago, only for his wife to say he'd passed away, it's only right and fitting his work is left there, he'd done some great research.

[scouserdave]

Hiya Dave, yes sad that. I contacted Dave via email a year or so ago, only for his wife to say he'd passed away, it's only right and fitting his work is left there, he'd done some great research.
Hiya Ged,
I've often been tempted to email his missus and ask if she can locate any of Dave's writings for the Everton Library page, but you never know when's it's approriate.
http://www.emanuensis.btinternet.co.uk/library.htm

[robbo176]

I also sent an email last year to ask Dave if he knew my dad & his family as my dad was born in Mark St & also went to Major Lester School, I recieved an email off Daves wife to say he'd died
I'm glad she decided to leave his site online & hope maybe someone could continue on what was a great site
Mandy

[gilly10]

Try sticking to your Sheffield Forum eh Vic!!? :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[baron10]

Try sticking to your Sheffield Forum eh Vic!!? :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

i dont know why you put this in this post but im coming to get you for dissin me

dont forget i know were you live and i dont care who you spared with its the baron your messin with ye get me:034: :034:

[baron10]

Yep...!!


meet gilly10

[Gerard]

meet gilly10

So your not from Scottie then Lad !!

[gilly10]

No he`s not Gerrard. He`s from Sheffield, mate of mine down here in Oxford. I lived all my life on

Scottie, first in Woodstock Gdns, ( Woody ), then after they were getting knocked down, we lived on "The Radcliffe" for six moon before moving to Benledi St.

Me Mar & Dar still there though! Got your personal msg lad, cheers, speak to you again soon. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[gilly10]

Cheers for the link to Scottie press mate! Found a great section with photos of lots of old pubs on The Road. Memory Lane eh!! TOP! :)

[wallasey]

Anyone know when "View 146" was completed? It's the redevelopment of two ex-council flats into swanky apartments just off Great Homer Street.

Any info would be welcome!

[scouserdave]

I think work was completed about 3 years ago.
Here's a couple of views.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/146a.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/146b.jpg

[wallasey]

So that would make it 2004! Thanks for that Dave!

I couldn't remember which year but I do remember the two blocks shrouded in hoardings which I used to spot when going into the Wallasey Tunnel.

[scouserdave]

Here's a couple of pics which confirms 2004.
The first one is May 2003 and the second is July 2004:PDT11

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/146c.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/146d.jpg

[SteH]

Anyone know when "View 146" was completed? It's the redevelopment of two ex-council flats into swanky apartments just off Great Homer Street.

Any info would be welcome!

In between being council flats and the redevelopment the blocks housed asylum seekers, with the owners allegedly making huge profits from the occupants squalor.

http://www.peoplenotprofit.co.uk/campaigns_landmark.htm

[wallasey]

Great image Gerard! Love that night time shot!

Thanks for the info guys, can I be cheeky and ask you wonderfull people if you know the name of this tower block? ...

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3313/20070219088ae9.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4341/20070219095wa6.jpg

It's on the corner of Great Homer Street and Boundary Street and is next to the Anchor on that open paved area next to the junction with Smith Street and Kirkdale Road.

Any info would be helpful! I just want to make my captions less vague!

All the best

Russ

[Gerard]

Great image Gerard! Love that night time shot!

Thanks for the info guys, can I be cheeky and ask you wonderfull people if you know the name of this tower block? ...

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3313/20070219088ae9.jpg

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/4341/20070219095wa6.jpg

It's on the corner of Great Homer Street and Boundary Street and is next to the Anchor on that open paved area next to the junction with Smith Street and Kirkdale Road.

Any info would be helpful! I just want to make my captions less vague!

All the best

Russ


Evenin' Russ..Thanks mate for the comment about my piccie..
Its been doin' me Ead in about That Tower block and I live about 2 minutes from it !!
Marwood Tower....Sure thats right !!

[wallasey]

Sounds Right!

I used to pass it quite often en-route to Wallasey from Northumberland but I just couldn't think of its name! Keeps happening to me at the moment!

Thanks for that Gerard!

[Ged]

Shame on you's ha ha, it's in my first book, a 1960s shot of it when the grounds where the anchor and buoy are was a kids playground.

[Libertarian]

I don't mean to be rude but that's got to be one of the most depressing areas of not only Liverpool but England.

[Ged]

Which, Great Homer Street? It's vibrant of a saturday when the market's there and people come from far and wide and project Jennifer which gets under way in earnest shortly should bring a bit more life back to it. The area, along with the top end of Scotland road was decimated in the 60s.

[wallasey]

I don't mean to be rude but that's got to be one of the most depressing areas of not only Liverpool but England.

I know you don't but I quite like it! If I had to choose between Northumberland or Vauxhall, I would choose Vauxhall. That's not to say Vauxhall doesn't have it's problems but any inner city area has them!

Its just a shame that it's lost most of it's neighbourhoods thats all.

[Libertarian]

Which, Great Homer Street? It's vibrant of a saturday when the market's there and people come from far and wide and project Jennifer which gets under way in earnest shortly should bring a bit more life back to it. The area, along with the top end of Scotland road was decimated in the 60s.

I'm from there so I don't mean to be funny. Everton is one of the poorest neighbourhoods in the UK and lost most of its population in the 60's and hence its character. Successive governments and councils have ignored Everton and north Liverpool. The park on the hill is nice and has great views but still has a very inner city feel, being surrounded by derelict buildings.

Personally I really hope project Jennifer goes ahead and new life is breathed into Everton because people there deserve better.

[wallasey]

I'm from there so I don't mean to be funny. Everton is one of the poorest neighbourhoods in the UK and lost most of its population in the 60's and hence its character. Successive governments and councils have ignored Everton and north Liverpool. The park on the hill is nice and has great views but still has a very inner city feel, being surrounded by derelict buildings.

Personally I really hope project Jennifer goes ahead and new life is breathed into Everton because people there deserve better.

That's true. Everton/Vauxhall has suffered from Piecemeal regeneration projects which have failed the area terribly.

I would be concerned about the proposed Sainsbury's Supermarket though. It's alright having a small neighbourhood Kwiky but a large supermarket might affect the likes of Walton which possibly already has a fragile shopping district seeing as it is about to have two Sainsbury's supermarkets rather than just the one.

[Gerard]

I don't mean to be rude but that's got to be one of the most depressing areas of not only Liverpool but England.

Do you still live there Suburban..If so Where do you drink.....
Not that I want to meet you or anything..Just trying to work out what Kind of Social Life you have around there...
Do you still live there !!...Cause I've never ever heard of anyone calling where they Live the Most depressing area in England..Tell me yer actin the goat here...

[Libertarian]

The town end of Scotty was destroyed by the building of the tunnel and has never recovered. There must be some way of reconnecting Everton with the city centre and Islington.

There is loads of waste land around the tunnel and surely could be used somehow. Have you ever tried walikng from St Anthony's to town? It is virtually impossible linked by one bridge.

[Gerard]

That's true. Everton/Vauxhall has suffered from Piecemeal regeneration projects which have failed the area terribly.

I would be concerned about the proposed Sainsbury's Supermarket though. It's alright having a small neighbourhood Kwiky but a large supermarket might affect the likes of Walton which possibly already has a fragile shopping district seeing as it is about to have two Sainsbury's supermarkets rather than just the one.

The Park on the Hill is a Load of Crap..How many Houses could have been built on that Land..How many people Do you see in that open area..Not many I can tell yer..

Apart from me Taking Me photies in the Dark at Half 6 the other Night.

[Libertarian]

Do you still live there Suburban..If so Where do you drink.....
Not that I want to meet you or anything..Just trying to work out what Kind of Social Life you have around there...
Do you still live there !!...Cause I've never ever heard of anyone calling where they Live the Most depressing area in England..Tell me yer actin the goat here...

I live in Bootle and pass through Scottie Road each day and see little to be proud of about it in its present state.

[Gerard]

The town end of Scotty was destroyed by the building of the tunnel and has never recovered. There must be some way of reconnecting Everton with the city centre and Islington.

There is loads of waste land around the tunnel and surely could be used somehow. Have you ever tried walikng from St Anthony's to town? It is virtually impossible linked by one bridge.


Thats not what I asked,I asked where do you drink...
Do you ever Go out..Socialise...Where !!
You dont have to tell me Specific Nights Etc..

[Gerard]

I live in Bootle and pass through Scottie Road each day and see little to be proud of about it in its present state.


So you live in Bootle..Where about if you dont Mind me asking..Yer Know..What Area..

[Libertarian]

Thats not what I asked,I asked where do you drink...
Do you ever Go out..Socialise...Where !!
You dont have to tell me Specific Nights Etc..

Well why should I tell you that? How strange?

[Gerard]

I live in Bootle and pass through Scottie Road each day and see little to be proud of about it in its present state.

I thought you said you are from the Area of them Heights.
Bootle Is Not Greaty.

[Libertarian]

I never said it was. Anyway I was only discussing how a poor inner city area could be improved to benefit the people who live there.

However, I know where you are coming from you are the type who is still bitter that Cilla left.

[A.D.W]

The People are that close in fact we are Having a Street Party in the Summer....

Record it and posted here via YouTube.

:PDT_Piratz_26:

[wallasey]

Try not to turn nasty guys!

It's great to see that you have pride in where you live Gerard; Its not often you find someone like that!

By the way; I don't normally go and sell me Flickr Space in the forums but as I have been asking for some assistance, you might all be interested to see the images which have just been uploaded now!

Once again, Many thanks for your help! Especially Dave and Gerrard!
Flikr link (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liverpoolsuburbia/)

[A.D.W]

Oh well! Pictures will, I am sure, capture the flavour of the day.

:)

[Ged]

Can I bring that model and me book Gerard and i've got Cilla's 'Anyone who had a heart'

[Gerard]

Can I bring that model and me book Gerard and i've got Cilla's 'Anyone who had a heart'

As long as yer behave yerself Lad..I know all about you after 3 shandy's !!.

Sherr...OOoooooo

[Gerard]

Av yer got Rrrr Cilla doin that "Alfie" ditty !!

[Ged]

Dunno Gerard. What's it all about?

[shank]

No mate I wanna know how you can say its one of the worst areas in England and all you do is Pass it on a Bus.
I do live in the Area just Past the Wallasey Tunnel and I can tell you its far from depressing..
The People are that close in fact we are Having a Street Party in the Summer..
Yer Know..A good old Scottie Rd Knees up...D'yer know what one of them is..

i agree with you 100% ithink those days are gone in most of the city last knees up we was when lpool won euro cup in the 70s i was brought up in anfield just found out i was related to john forrester who lived in bispham st he was killed in the holycross bomb in the may blitz with most of his family i think 8alltogether so now i like to look and read all about the area keep the good work up

[Libertarian]

This is my question. I wanted to know why unemployment is high in Everton and other parts of north Liverpool; and why such a lot of people who live there are not active in the labour market, eg are on Invalidity Benefit

Any answers?

[Gerard]

This is my question. I wanted to know why unemployment is high in Everton and other parts of north Liverpool; and why such a lot of people who live there are not active in the labour market, eg are on Invalidity Benefit

Any answers?


Yeah...Blow it out yer Arse..

[gilly10]

Its cos theres nobheads like you who pay our Giros every fortnight ya weapon!!!

[Gerard]

Its cos theres nobheads like you who pay our Giros every fortnight ya weapon!!!

Take no notice gilly Lad..This Beautane is no Scouser mate..He couldn't even answer when I asked him where he Bevvied..Its a wind up mate..

[Libertarian]

Sorry if I don't genuflect at the shrine of Scottie Rd. As for not being a scouser you are right I'm not I'm a Liverpudlian. The city of Liverpool's greatness was built by its middle class. Which also raises the point of why Liverpool is always associated with its poorest areas such as Scottie Road?

[SteH]

Sorry if I don't genuflect at the shrine of Scottie Rd. As for not being a scouser you are right I'm not I'm a Liverpudlian. The city of Liverpool's greatness was built by its middle class. Which also raises the point of why Liverpool is always associated with its poorest areas such as Scottie Road?

Because the middle class wouldnt get their hands dirty. The people of Scottie and Vauxhall Roads went own the docks every day to load and unload all the goods that brought welfare for the shipping owners. Its Scottie Road where he real communities lay not behind the gates and long driveways of the mansions of the outlying districts.

[Kev]

Sorry if I don't genuflect at the shrine of Scottie Rd. As for not being a scouser you are right I'm not I'm a Liverpudlian.

Mr 'Burban, Mr Waterways has a similar view to you, that's the exact thing he's say too. Count yourself lucky mate.



Which also raises the point of why Liverpool is always associated with its poorest areas such as Scottie Road?

Are you talking about media predudice now, poor stereotypes etc?

Just a note to everyone, remember the forum rules :PDT11

[gilly10]

I wouldnt mind that meself lad, looks good! Can I access that somewhere??

[Libertarian]

My Scottie Rd Slideshow..How many copies did yer want Laughin' Gas..


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/IMG_0024.jpg

Ged I'm not ****ging off the people of Scottie Road in any way. My original posts were about how Project Jennifer will improve the Everton area. I also asked if anyone had any suggestions how the area could be reintergrated with Islington and the centre?


Clearly the 'improvements' of the 60's had a bad effect on Everton and for years problems like depopulation, the colla[pse of traditional industry, have had a negative impact on the area. However, it is accepted that there is still a strong local pride in the area, great its nicem to have pride in where you are from.

My point about it being depresssing is simply that the area has suffered over the years and as one of the main gateways into the city the appearance could be improved. That doesn't mean there iss something wrong with the area just that it could be better and thuis benefit everyone.

[Libertarian]

Its cos theres nobheads like you who pay our Giros every fortnight ya weapon!!!

Proves my point EXACTLY on unemployment

Hope David Cameron makes em work for it.

[Gerard]

Ged I'm not ****ging off the people of Scottie Road in any way. My original posts were about how Project Jennifer will improve the Everton area. I also asked if anyone had any suggestions how the area could be reintergrated with Islington and the centre?


Clearly the 'improvements' of the 60's had a bad effect on Everton and for years problems like depopulation, the colla[pse of traditional industry, have had a negative impact on the area. However, it is accepted that there is still a strong local pride in the area, great its nicem to have pride in where you are from.

My point about it being depresssing is simply that the area has suffered over the years and as one of the main gateways into the city the appearance could be improved. That doesn't mean there iss something wrong with the area just that it could be better and thuis benefit everyone.


End of as far as I'm concerned Suburban.Youv'e had your say and I've had mine..I couldn't be arsed Arguin'...But I'll tell yer this mate..You wont meet more Genuine People than on Scottie Rd..
Theres Places I dont Like in Bootle Mate..I dont come on here though ****ging it off..I know too many people up there to do that....Plus we get enough F'n stick without having a go Ourselves..The last Comment I'm saying on this.

[phredd]

Well as this is the Everton thread I will put this in here.
I was looking around to see who made Everton Mints these days and came across this >>>>>>

http://www.sugarboy.co.uk/acatalog/Barker_&_Dobson.html.

Barker and Dobsons had a production plant at ?Franklin Place, Whitefield Road. Quite a few families, including my Grandma and aunties worked there.
What I did not know was the link with Paradise Street.

Good old Google

Phredd

it may stop the snipes going on

[Ged]

As for why Scottie Road and the surrounding area is always touted up whenever Liverpool is mentioned. You only have to go on any expat site or even drink with people in Speke, Kirkby, Skelmersdale, Norris Green etc to realise the real mass exedus to those parts brought about by the slum clearance programmes, then later the Mersey tunnel excavations and then the tenement demolitions in the area. It was densely populated but look at it now.

It also was home to many talented people, like them or not...

George Stubbs, James William Carling and James Daniels - all painters who have works of art in the Walker and in the U.S.A. all were born or resided there at one time, shall we mention Cilla again. Radio Merseyside's, Linda McDermott, David Logan, Bob Parry and Bessie Braddock all associated with the area as was Kitty Wilkinson of Denison Street - founder of the wash -houses.

All ocean going vessels have their main corridor christened 'Scotland Road' - even the Titanic.

The Titanic 'family' also have strong connections with the Friary church. Check out more on www.scottiepress.org

Europe's first municipal housing was built off Scotland Road as were the 2nd scheme (which won an advanced architectural award) and the 3rd.

Eldon Street flats in 1905 were the first pre-fabricated housing anywhere.

Dr. Duncan. Britain's first health minister was assigned to the area in 1847 and he and James Newland succeeded in doubling the areas life expectancy whilst in office, detailing and improving many things which benefited the whole population of Britain at the time.

There are many more interesting facts that could be unearthed, have you ever wondered what became of the little black boy from Eldon place in that scene with the street urchins around the Steble Fountain. He went on to perform in a troupe all over the world.

There's also a famous author from there who wrote three books about the tennies but his name slips my mind for now ha ha.

[steveb]

Been reading all the threads about Scottie etc and it jogged my
memory. My granny, Gladys Knibb, lived in Great Mersey St for many
years before moving to Winchester Rd off Townsend.
When I left school in the mid 60,s, I worked as an apprentice TV engineer
for Telefusion who had a workshop in Conway St. My weekly wage £2.56
I think the premises were an old church, any photo,s of the area would be
great.

[The Gardens]

I just came across this on YouTube. Skip through the first 2 minutes or so and see a magnificant archive of the Everton area from 1965. Previous visitors to Margaret Street baths will feel the cold wind on their wet hair when they watch it :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRll0-7rDrw&mode=related&search=

[chippie]

I just wanted to say that the Everton district video on utube was so nostalgic to me. I was brought up in the district many moons ago. My 15 minutes of fame being in the crowd in Deacon Street next to Grants gardens in the early 60s while "The Searchers" were playing "Bits and Pieces" for "Top of the Pops" I loved Everton then but alas my memories have faded due to the demolition of the core. Thanks for the memories members.:tear:

[lindylou]

Chippie - you never told me that before !!
I didn't know you were in that film of the Searchers ! :shock:

[Ged]

I saw her today.

[lindylou]

I just wanted to say that the Everton district video on utube was so nostalgic to me. I was brought up in the district many moons ago. My 15 minutes of fame being in the crowd in Deacon Street next to Grants gardens in the early 60s while "The Searchers" were playing "Bits and Pieces" for "Top of the Pops" I loved Everton then but alas my memories have faded due to the demolition of the core. Thanks for the memories members.:tear:

Was it 'Needles & Pins' you are getting mixed up with !?
'Bits & pieces' ... that's Dave Clarke Five isn't it ?? :D

[Gerard]

I saw her today.

I saw her Face...(Next)

It was a Face I loved.....(Get it !!)

[PhilipG]

Was it 'Needles & Pins' you are getting mixed up with !?
'Bits & pieces' ... that's Dave Clarke Five isn't it ?? :D

Needles & PinsAA

I know all the words to "Bits & Pieces", but can't remember who did it!

I could Google, I suppose.

[Pegasus]

Hi Guys (& Gals).

I used to Live in St Georges Street!(Our Parlour was situated were they Built one of the Lift Shafts for St Georges Heights)!

We were 'Forced Out' when a Council Employee told My Parents (& Neighbours) that there was a Large Crack in the Sandstone Foundations under Our Houses (caused by the Blitz),and that We were putting Our Own Lives at Risk by Living There (and that Nothing could be Built on this Land!).:disgust:

6 Months Later, the Foundations for 'The Big White Monstrousity' were put in place, in hindsight the Council Must have already Given a Date to the Contractors to start work Before Anyone had even Moved Out!

Also, they were in such a Rush to Throw Up 'The Bradocks' (on the opposite side of Neddy) that They did'nt even do any Proper Surveys, they did'nt even Know about 'The Seven Wells' till being told by a local Pensioner (who born in the same House she then Lived in, which had had it's Yard 'Disappear' into a Great Hole @4 times during Her Lifetime), that is Why one of the Bradocks Blocks was Built further back from the road (when they tried to pour the Foundations they Used to 'Disappear' into a 'Bottomless Hole' each Night, so they decided to build it Away from the site of the Old Well!):034:

P.S.

'Bits & Pieces' is/was one of Dave Clark Fives Signature Pieces!:)

[Ged]

Pegasus. A great bit of info, I've read that before, I assume it was you, so you must've posted it before somewhere, it was ages ago.

You might be interested in the High Rise page on my website below.

[Pegasus]

Ged.

Thanks for the Pic's Link!

Yes, it was probably one of My posts on the web (somewhere!) that You read!:rolleyes:

The Pensioner was known as Granny Mayor (or Myer), I will have to ask My Mother (again!) where she used to Live!

[Gerard]

Hello Pegasus and welcome to the group

[robbo176]

Hi Pegasus welcome to Yo Liverpool :PDT11

[Lady]

Hiya Pegasus and welcome, :)

Are you on rootschat-your name seems familiar !!

Jacky :PDT11

[lindylou]

Victoria Settlement, Netherfield rd.

Passed by this way yesterday, just thought I'd post a photo :)

[robbo176]

Victoria Settlement, Netherfield rd.

Passed by this way yesterday, just thought I'd post a photo :)

good photo Lindy:handclap:
my boyfriend lives near there so I pass it every single day & never ever thought of taking a photo of it:rolleyes:
in fact I think you must have stood behide his house to take the photo:)

[lindylou]

I was standing by a cafe/restaurant which is opposite the Victoria settlement.

I took a photo because I think it's a smart building. It looks nice.

[robbo176]

I was standing by a cafe/restaurant which is opposite the Victoria settlement.

I took a photo because I think it's a smart building. It looks nice.

the wall behind you is my boyfriends garden Wall :)

the cafe used to be the New York pub


I've never lived that building & dont think they should have demolished the original Victoria Settlement:PDT_Xtremez_12:

[Ged]

Fell down the steep stairs in the New York once - drunk.

[lindylou]

the wall behind you is my boyfriends garden Wall :)

the cafe used to be the New York pub


I've never lived that building & dont think they should have demolished the original Victoria Settlement:PDT_Xtremez_12:

I can't recall the original building. I'd know it if I saw a photo to jog my memory. Was it a block of flats there before?

I remember the New York pub although I never went in it.

I forget some of what was there originally - - and with not going down that way for a long time I've not realised what's now missing.

[liverbirdnk]

My mother in law lives in the flats pictured above of the Victoria settlement my old youth club.she used to live on the 13 floor of the Corinth block of flats
great view she had, the Victoria settlement flats are brilliant, except for the stupid sods who keep smashing the glass doors.

[Ged]

Is the youth club the Albion? The flats behind are York Terrace and Northumberland terrace aren't they - Cresswell Mount Heights were there too.

[liverbirdnk]

No the youth club was the Victoria Settlement they named the flats after it, its also called Patmoss flats and the area is Patmoss close. The Cresswell Mount heights where futher along Netherfield Road by Fairy St.
The flats behind are York and Northumberland Terrace named after the streets that used to be there.
The pub that once was the New York in now Park View flats and underneath is a cafe, on the next block is the pub that once was the Cumberland Arms renamed the Inn on the Hill which has been set on fire but is still standing.

[robbo176]

Fell down the steep stairs in the New York once - drunk.


me too many a time also in the Cumberland after a darts match ha ha:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
it was like when Wile Coyote hovers in space before he realises theres nothing under him then down he goes:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[Ged]

Ha ha, the difference is though Mandy, I didn't reveal those big yellow bloomers like you.


























I had my cerise ones on :unibrow:

[robbo176]

Ha Ha Ged ,at least I didn't go comando:PDT_Xtremez_42: :PDT10

[taffy]

Victoria Settlement, Netherfield rd.

Passed by this way yesterday, just thought I'd post a photo :)


Here's the interesting history about the Victoria Settlement in Everton and the Church of England Minister: Canon Lester

http://www.emanuensis.btinternet.co.uk/lester.htm

[liverbirdnk]

Taffy some thing wrong with the victoria settlement link keep getting server error. will keep trying,thanks.

[shytalk]

Taffy some thing wrong with the victoria settlement link keep getting server error. will keep trying,thanks.
It works for me, interesting story Taffy, thanks.:thumbsup:

[liverbirdnk]

Thanks got there in the end, computer acting up.

[chippie]

I remember one night going in there on my tod and drinking whisky all night, ended up singing "my way" badly too. Nobody bought me a drink. Never went in there again:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[chippie]

used to live on the top floor looking south towards St Georges Heights back in the 1978 I think it was. There was an emergency fire door from next door,s bedroom to my bedroom and from my bedroom to a public area behind railings. I think by the time the thirty stone woman next door did all that, we,d all be burnt to death.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Ged]

St. Augustines which once stood on the sandstone rocky outcrop and the disused day nursery which stands there now.


http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7613/staugonrockyoutcropow1.th.png (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=staugonrockyoutcropow1.png)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7613/staugonrockyoutcropow1.th.png (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=staugonrockyoutcropow1.png)

[Ged]

I don't know why the older view came up twice, 2nd time lucky here goes.

[shytalk]

This is posted with permission from Ernie the milkman from the Sailors Home forum.

This is from my mate Charlie Hobson,he has not got a computer just yet.

From where we lived in Everton
The house upon the hill
We could look down on the city
And take the whole view in

All the historic buildings
Were there before our eyes
The ships out on the river
Rode at anchor on the tide

The birds atop the liver
Looked down upon the scene
Of the graceful ocean liners
That fired my schoolboy dreams

Our streets were filled with sailors
From every foreign land
Gabbing away in a language
That we could"nt understand

Life was so exciting in my younger days
The world was large grand tales were told
Of foreign lands and whales

I could"nt wait to join a ship
To sail out across the bar
To take an order turn the wheel
And head for lands afar

And now im old ive sailed the world
And talk of sights ive seen
The storms. the ice the freezing cold
The starry nights serene

The beauty of the sunset
As it sinks behind the rim
The glory of the sunrise
In this world were living in

If I could paint its beauty
How happy I would be
To light peoples souls inside
The way it did for me

No matter who in life you be
How high or low your station
You cannot but be joy fulfilled
When you gaze on gods creation

[Lady]

Ohh, That was fantastic, :handclap::handclap:

And the line where he wrote "light peoples souls inside" = such warmth.

Jacky :)

[Gerard]

Brilliant Shy...:handclap:
He might just have been talking about from up here.


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/ANY%20PHOTOS/L1070409.jpg

[steveb]

Nice view, I take it it was taken from were St Georges heights were

[Gerard]

Nice view, I take it it was taken from were St Georges heights were

Correct Steve..How are you my friend.

[steveb]

Correct Steve..How are you my friend.

I'm OK thanks, hope you are OK and getting use to the camera, some
cracking shots from it.... :PDT11

[Gerard]

I'm OK thanks, hope you are OK and getting use to the camera, some
cracking shots from it.... :PDT11

Glad to hear your well Steve,Im good thanks.
Thanks mate,Still finding my way around the camera.

[chippie]

well done shytalk and charlie hobson for that lovely poem from an everton sailor. my dad and all his brothers were in that position 60 years ago and more, and those that are left must feel thae way charlie feels in his poem.

Thank you charlie:handclap:

[shytalk]

Another from the same poet.
Thanks to Ernie on Sailors Home forum for the original posting.



dry.gif Another one from Charlie Hobson.

I was brought up in the thirties
When things where really rough
We walked around in parish boots
And were fed on suet duff.

Consumption it was rampant, in lots of family homes,
And for the want of daily milk,
There was rickets in our bones.
Some of us had whooping cough,
No one was hospitalised
The lucky ones they where immune
And those that weren"t they died

Some kids lost both their parents
And were dragged off to a home
And shipped off to the colonies
So sad and all alone

They were met there just like cattle
And bosses took their pick
And so commenced a life of toil
Without much benefit

And who then were these dealers
In this awful human trade
Who took a child from all his kin?
And then made of him a slave
Oh no they"re not custody
You see them every day

For they were nuns and they were priests
That signed kids lives away
And if they are up in heaven
And id surely like to know
Then ill take a left at the golden gates
And find a berth below

[wallasey]

I've got an interesting....and quite possibly a controversial question to ask....What are the boundaries of Everton?

The reason why I ask is because I've been around Robson Street/Mere Lane today (taking piccies as you do) but I dont know weather I should upload em' to Anfield (as Breckfield Road is normally considered to be a part of Anfield me thinks) or Everton.

Many Thanks in advance!

[Ged]

Very borderline that but Everton library is of course at the top of Mere Lane, Sir Thomas White Gardens that were on the south side of Penrose Street were Everton L5 but imho i'd say Robson street and anything East of it is then Anfield.

[wallasey]

Thanks Ged...so is Breck Road between Sheil Road and Heyworth Street in Everton? I always thought it was, but as it is running down the other side of the hill, it is perfectly feasible to say that all of Breck Road is in Anfield.

But where exactly is Everton??? Some would say Great Homer Street is under Everton's belt...but others would suggest that its in Vauxhall. It's hard to distinguish where districts merge sometimes. We all know where Walton is...and we all know where Old Swan is....but what about Everton?

I do hope the above question doesn't sound somewhat shocking to you!!!

[chippie]

Hiya Russ,

I always thought that Breck Road started at Lower Breck Road and Priory Road junction and ended at Everton Road Heyworth Street junction. Well it was when I was growing up there.

As for the Anfield/Everton districts, doesn,t Everton start from Oakfield Road/Sheil Road?

If this has already been said, then it just shows that I didn,t follow the thread up to the top.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[chippie]

And Everton runs from West Derby Road to the bottom of St Domingo Road where it hits the Everton Valley junction.

[lindylou]

Hiya Russ,

I always thought that Breck Road started at Lower Breck Road and Priory Road junction and ended at Everton Road Heyworth Street junction. Well it was when I was growing up there.




It does . There is a sign saying Everton up by Belmont rd.

I think that's where L'pool 5 begins - - looking up towards town direction - - over to the right side of Breck rd (Oakfield side) is L5. but over to the left (Belmont side) is L6. or at least addresses in Belmont rd are L6 .. running towards Sheil?Kensington district which is still L6.


Although there is a sign for Everton, I don't really think of it as being Everton until you turn the corner into Everton rd or Heyworth st.

Breck rd, even though it is in 2 halves, most people consider as Anfield. It's a difficult being right on the border.


just to confuse matters - addresses down from Oakfield rd merge with both L4 & L6 :unibrow: - streets running down towards the direction of Walton Breck, Anfield rd.

[PhilipG]

I asked in the library if there was a definitive source to establish Liverpool's boundaries, and there isn't, apart from maps, which are quite confusing.
The problem with boundaries is there are so many different types, you can just choose the one to suit yourself, and your particular viewpoint.
The only area which has really been established is Toxteth Park, which is an historical area.

[Ged]

You mentioned Old Swan there wallasey, you'd be surprised even at that boundary, there was a discussion on here in the past surrounding where is 'Stanley' as in Stanley abbatoir, market, residents association, St. Annes church - Stanley. Many people merge Fairfield straight into Old Swan at L13.

There's an Everton sign down by toys r us - poppycock.

I know what you mean though about Gt Homer street confusion about whether it's Vauxhall or Everton, maybe that's the border too?

[lindylou]

It does . There is a sign saying Everton up by Belmont rd.

I think that's where L'pool 5 begins - - looking up towards town direction - - over to the right side of Breck rd (Oakfield side) is L5. but over to the left (Belmont side) is L6. or at least addresses in Belmont rd are L6 .. running towards Sheil?Kensington district which is still L6.

just to confuse matters - addresses down from Oakfield rd merge with both L4 & L6 :unibrow: - streets running down towards the direction of Walton Breck, Anfield rd.


to reply to my own post .. :unibrow:

.. I have just been on the bus along Breck rd and I looked at the street signs.

They are as I have said - all on one side L5, the other L6.

Strangely enough there is one lone L5 right in the middle of the L6 streets !

Agate st (by Iceland supermarket) is L5.

answer that one !! :)

[quincyg]

to reply to my own post .. :unibrow:

.. I have just been on the bus along Breck rd and I looked at the street signs.

They are as I have said - all on one side L5, the other L6.

Strangely enough there is one lone L5 right in the middle of the L6 streets !

Agate st (by Iceland supermarket) is L5.

answer that one !! :)

The Willow is another one.
from a late 1960's street map. the red line is the area boundary.
Agate St is to the right of the pointy bit at the bottom, the Willow is to the right again.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/Picture004.jpg

[lindylou]

Thanks Quincy. :)

[quincyg]

Thanks Quincy. :)

pleasure. some boundary's are even more strange than that one. streets are like fingers creeping into a neighbouring area.

[taffy]

pleasure. some boundary's are even more strange than that one. streets are like fingers creeping into a neighbouring area.

I prefer to use historical boundaries. Post code boundaries are simply for the convenience of Royal Mail and don't reflect historical boundaries though clearly there is some overlap. Everton was one of the historical townships surrounding Liverpool. It had defined boundaries which were usually originally field boundaries. Of course all this was lost when Everton was absorbed into Liverpool in the mid 1830s.

[taffy]

I've had a look at Davies's 1855 map of Liverpool which clearly shows the township boundaries of Everton. Essentially starting at Gt Homer St ( which was once called Boundary Lane) follow a line up opposite Boundary Street to Netherfield rd, then along Everton valley to Anfield Road cutting back to Walton Breck rd along Rockfield Rd, then along walton Breck Rd etc to Whitefield Rd. Along Whitefield rd to surprise, surprise Boundary Lane to West Derby Rd. Along West Derby Rd to Shaw Street, down Canterbury St, turn left at william Henry St and then right along Fox St and back to Gt Homer St.

This is approximately the old boundaries of Everton. There was some rounding off of field boundaries when streets such as Gt Homer St were laid out.

Hope this helps

[Ged]

Interesting Taffy. What area is given to what it now known as Vauxhall please?

[taffy]

Interesting Taffy. What area is given to what it now known as Vauxhall please?

The 1855 Davies map just says Vauxhall Ward.

[Devo]

There's an "everton" sign on Stanley Road just past Lambeth Road heading into the city, but i'd say Stanley Road Nick and the Rotunda College are in Kirkdale.
I've always thought that
L4 = Walton
L5 = Kirkdale
L6 = Anfield
not sure where everton fits in? or should the Rotunda address look like...
109 Great Mersey Street
Kirkdale
Everton
Liverpool
L5 2PL

[wallasey]

I've had a look at Davies's 1855 map of Liverpool which clearly shows the township boundaries of Everton. Essentially starting at Gt Homer St ( which was once called Boundary Lane) follow a line up opposite Boundary Street to Netherfield rd, then along Everton valley to Anfield Road cutting back to Walton Breck rd along Rockfield Rd, then along walton Breck Rd etc to Whitefield Rd. Along Whitefield rd to surprise, surprise Boundary Lane to West Derby Rd. Along West Derby Rd to Shaw Street, down Canterbury St, turn left at william Henry St and then right along Fox St and back to Gt Homer St.

This is approximately the old boundaries of Everton. There was some rounding off of field boundaries when streets such as Gt Homer St were laid out.

Hope this helps

Interesting...I have attempted to follow the roads given...

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff167/tranmererusko/jjj.jpg

A chunk of Anfield seems to be in Everton here, although most people wold say that the centre of Anfield is at the Priory Road/Breck Road cross roads. How many people would agree with the above boundaries??? I might suggest that they have changed slightly in the Walton Breck Road area as Anfield has grown and spread in this area...not Everton.

The postcode map is very interesting indeed; especially in the Beacon Lane area..to think those streets have been replaced with utter crap!

[Ged]

I acquired 24 photographs of the estate over the weekend. To see the rest click on http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=41897456&cr=7 and scroll to near the end. I've added some other new pics just below too.



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[Bernardivoredge]

Anybody know the Mcrobie family

[George]

If this isn't the right place then sorry - but I don't think it's a crime to ask questions

Some jobs are just not worth getting out of bed for ie there are wages that coincide with the basic unemployment allowance,take bus fares,dinner money out of that without Tax ect,ect and you're left with a piitance of a wage.

Your survey is not worth a blow on a ragmans trumpet ie the unemployment figure is not more than in any given area.
A posh area will yield people who own buisness or in a high income salary.

Kirby,Everton,Walton,Bootle,Anfield, ect,ect are all deprived areas were the lesser money is that doesn't mean to say the people won't work,they will if you give them a wage that they will be comfortably well off at the end of the week ie the wage is £30 to £40 better off than unemployment benefit.

[George]

there is no single or simple answer I can find as to why people born in Everton will be poorer and live shorter lives than those born a few miles further south.

Well thats a load of tosh for a start,now you're saying we live shorter lives than the rich folk.

[lindylou]

Some views of the Water Tower.

[lindylou]

1. Everton rd. 2.Collegiate building. 3. rear of Collegiate building, College st south. 4. Lytton st corner. 5. View down Shaw st.

[wsteve55]

Great pic's Lindy!:nod:

[pablo42]

Smashing photos Lindy. You've been very busy...

[Ged]

Well in there Mrs Lou. :)

[smokestone1]

I used to work in the west everton YTS MANY many moons ago ..the Henglers Circus was the pub at the top of the estate..

Thats proper old school..

[doddy]

Hello,



Yes Bunnyman is right. you have to follow him and you will defnitely get something good so i think you have to go with it.


thanks!!

________________
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[lindylou]

Hello,



Yes Bunnyman is right. you have to follow him and you will defnitely get something good so i think you have to go with it.


thanks!!

________________
photos on canvas (http://www.printyourcanvas.com)

I think you are in the wrong thread :confused:

[Ged]

I think it's on the wrong planet.

[lindylou]

:rolleyes: :)

[George]

Hello,



Yes Bunnyman is right. you have to follow him and you will defnitely get something good so i think you have to go with it.


thanks!!

Your email bounced.

[Ged]

A new book hits the shops this week on the ancient district of EVERTON

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-entertainment/echo-entertainment//2010/07/19/new-book-remembers-liverpool-s-slum-clearance-100252-26880488/

The web page to the book has a facility for looking up every family that was living in the area in 1960. I've found us and loads of family and friends on it.



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[robbo176]

A new book hits the shops this week on the ancient district of EVERTON

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-entertainment/echo-entertainment//2010/07/19/new-book-remembers-liverpool-s-slum-clearance-100252-26880488/

The web page to the book has a facility for looking up every family that was living in the area in 1960. I've found us and loads of family and friends on it.

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found loads of my family on it too :)

the book is launched at St Georges church on Saturday 24th July
St Georges Fun Day starts at 11am with history talks starting at 1 pm
the tower will also be open

[wsteve55]

Excellent link there, Ged,found a few of mine!!

[Ged]

The author of the book Ken Rogers (left) is an echo journalist as is Peter Grant who has written books, his latest being about the dockers. Here they were at the Big History Festival in the St. Georges Hall the other month.

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[chasevans]

I've just finished reading " The lost tribe of Everton & Scottie Road" by Ken Rogers and found it most enlightening. Coming from the Everton area I was always likely to enjoy the book, but the author also explains the council politics behind the "resettlement" of the Everton community. I'm sure "macca" will find some answers to his questions if he reads this book with an open mind.
:)

[chasevans]

Great to see pictures of the old school. I've got mixed memories of my time there, but it was a good school generally. Ted Ray, Artur Askey and Leonard Rossiter were old boys of the Collegiate and my mam and grandparents were so proud when I was accepted.
Thanks Lindylou
;)

[Samp]

I have read the book also it is a good insight into the slum clearance programme and life in the late 50’s early 60’s, plenty of good pictures.

[chasevans]

Unfortunately there appears to be some editing errors on the photography side of the book. Pages 30 and 31 are mirror images of the area. My friend Stanier spotted this. A corrected version is shown which could save hours of confusion.

Myself and Ged agree that the picture on page 144 is not the demolition of Rossie school but the much earlier construction.
I still think the book is a very good read, just pointing out the errors for accuracy if the book is updated.
My errors!!! Pages 30 and 31 should be 20 and 21, page 144 should be 164, I'll bring my doctors note in tomorrow!
Thanks again, Ged (see next post).
Cheers, Chas:handclap:

[Ged]

Chas. How strange, pages 30 and 31 of my copy are text. The picture you've shown there is on page 20 of mine.

The 'demolition' of Rossy school picture is on page 164 and is actually the construction showing brick layers at work and no Heights in the background.

I have a lot of the photographs in this book from the LRO but lots of good additions too.

[chasevans]

I'm hanging my head in shame, thanks Ged, you're right. The pages are 20 and 21 and 164, I'll edit the post. It was very late when I posted it and I didn't have my glasses on. Ta for the nudge.
Best wishes,
Chas

[Ged]

Ha ha - no probs. I thought I had an updated edition already then. It looks a good read at 220 odd pages.

[Samp]

Ged! a number of the pictures came from the Shrewsbury Club Archives. If you look in the front you will see the Archive Team get a mention. We have a whole series of the construction of Rossie School, found them in the club.

[Ged]

Hiya Samp. I noticed a deffo one of yours on page 174, Dorrington st (where one of my classmates came from - but the 70s Dorro)

[chasevans]

Got hold of Ged's books on Thursday. I've finished reading the first two and I'm looking forward to the third one when I get a bit of time. Great bit of research, Ged.
Cheers,
Chas

[Samp]

Ged!

There is a sequence of photos showing the left hand side of Dorrington St coming down. I will see if I can post them up sometime.

[Ged]

Thanks Chas and Samp. I see a few of your in the book there Samp.

[Ged]

Hey, just found this while looking for something else and there's a few of my photos on it and a few that aren't mine (LRO) but that are credited to me. Seems well put together and worth a read.

http://j-fleming.com/

[nobbyrott]

Very interesting map, growing up in Anfield (and doing many a pub crawl on Breck Road) mots people there I am sure would have had Everton starting at Breckfield Road North and Robson St. Buy as has been said it was always a vaguely defined area.

***Referring to the Everton map on I think p.13

[Ged]

One of Georges old haunts perhaps.


Taken 3.6.65 - LRO


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[GeorgePorgie]

I wus only young then,Ged...possibly one of me old fella's? although I fink The Northumberland was his haunt? that one in the pic was up Priory Mount end of Northumberland Terrace.

[Marty1]

]The Park on the Hill is a Load of Crap[/B]..How many Houses could have been built on that Land..How many people Do you see in that open area..Not many I can tell yer..

Apart from me Taking Me photies in the Dark at Half 6 the other Night.

The Park on the Hill was great in it's day (60s), it had a Bandstand, huts where they use to store things for us kids to play with, on open areas for football, you have to remember we had very little and the Park was somewhere for all the kids to go to. They knocked down Rupert Hill and bulit crap in it's place !

[GeorgePorgie]

The Park on the Hill is a Load of Crap

They knocked down Rupert Hill and bulit crap in it's place !

Couldn't agree more,you do know that half the landfill from the clearence was used to build the park as it is now.

I also agree that something like a 100 houses could have been built on that land and still enough ground for a largish park area,although having not seen what is below the ground I suspect that the engineers might have had their reasons for not building upon it? Sandstone is the dominent mass in that area and covers more than half of Everton.

[Ged]

Everton Park, the one created in the 80s was due to go from Heyworth Street right down to Great Homer Street, thereby doing away with Netherfield Road as a through road altogether. It was only down to the sit-in by the Langrove Street residents that didn't want to see their perfectly good homes demolished and it's those we have to thank that getting from Everton Valley to Shaw Street for instance isn't the drag it would have been.

Another drag is when you're on Scotland Road and want to get to Green Street. If your at St. Anthony's Church heading on the Southbound carriageway you either have to go down to Leeds Streets then double back at Vauxhall Road, thus doing a semi circle, or head down Wilbraham St, along Greaty Northbound, then go down Boundary Street then along the bumps of Latimer Street.

[Lizzie1]

Is it true that St Chrysostom's church in Aubrey St was demolished in error?

[Ged]

It was destroyed by Fire in 1972.

Here it is.

http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/tag/st-chrysostoms-church/

[Lizzie1]

Thanks Ged, that's the church!.......... but the caption says 'Audley Street'??? I'm confused..........doesn't take much!!

[Marty1]

Do you have a photo Ged, and thanks for your fantastic site !

[Ged]

Thanks Marty1. There is a photo of Colin Wilkinson's by clicking on this link here: http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/tag/st-chrysostoms-church/

[Marty1]

Thanks Marty1. There is a photo of Colin Wilkinson's by clicking on this link here: http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/tag/st-chrysostoms-church/

Thanks Ged !

[Ged]

An image with thanks to Johnny Blue.

Great Homer Street looking North and quite a bit to see on here. At the bottom is my secondary school, St. Gregorys which became Campion and was demolished only about 18 months ago. A new development is already on its site. Just up from that on the pic is the red brick Rossy School on Roscommon Street. We moved into that for a year in about 1974 due to some work on St Gregs.

The other red brick building over to the right by the high rise is St. Peters church and the Shrewsbury Club which is still there with all the new housing near it. The middle of the photo is taken up by maisonettes which were on Sackville Street, Dorrington Street, Arkwright Street and Lower Arkwright Street.

Beyond those, only 3 of those 8 tower blocks are still standing. The 2 on Conway Street and Marwood Tower at Greaty points with Kirkdale Rd. The photo is definitely pre 88 due to some of the high rise still being there. Everton Park sports centre and its footy pitches behind stands out too.


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[GeorgePorgie]

Is this a still from a blue movie,Gedro.

[Ged]

Don't know why there's a blue tint to it George, perhaps because it's Everton ;)

[GeorgePorgie]

Going to bed now,so keep the noise down.

[Marty1]

I was thinking St Gregs is a new School until I realised it opened in 1961 ish! I see the tower block I once lived in, great pic Ged !

[Diane Louise]

I don't know the area very well but I did have ancestors living in Arkwright Street. Is Great Homer Street the long road on the left of the pic?

[Marty1]

I don't know the area very well but I did have ancestors living in Arkwright Street. Is Great Homer Street the long road on the left of the pic?

It Is !

[GeorgePorgie]

Yes,missus

[Marty1]

Yes,missus

She could be a Miss or even a Ms !!:shock:

[Ged]

The last remaining Georgian Property on the East side of Everton Road.


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Everton Park was designed as layered ampitheatre bowls to enable public events to be held there. As can be seen by this view looking East across Netherfield Road, there is a curvature to the hillside which was intentional when laid out. Sadly, this usage has never been taken up properly though plans have been made in the past but scuppered along the way for one reason or another.


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[Lizzie1]

The last remaining Georgian Property on the East side of Everton Road.


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Good to see this house refurbished, wish they'd do the same to the others on Everton Road.

[lindylou]

I'd love to see inside that house. I bet the rooms are nice. I wonder if they have kept original features?

[gregs dad]

The original model of Everton Park published in the Echo had a large lake on it for sailboats and I think it ran down to Gt Homer St.

[GeorgePorgie]

The original model of Everton Park published in the Echo had a large lake on it for sailboats and I think it ran down to Gt Homer St.

I bet the guy was sacked coming up with that idea,down hill all the way,hey how do we sail up hill? :002::rolleyes:

[Ged]

It did indeed Joe. In fact had there not been protests from residents in Langraove Street, Netherfield Road was not now exist. The idea was for the park to run from Heyworth Street down to Great Homer Street. Here's another pic of how it was meant for artists to perform to those seated in curves like in an ampitheatre.

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[GeorgePorgie]

Still say it was a waste of valuable land space for housing,at the end of the day thats all it is....empty space and nobody uses it except the girls of the night,and no Ged I don't visit the area. :p

[lindylou]

That park never really took off. Don't know why, but it has no atmosphere. It does feel like an empty space, and yet the area has reverted to it's original state which was hills and fields.
A few people do use the park - mainly one or two dog walkers and people who park up their cars to look at the view. That's about it.
I think there is the occasional event that goes on there - but the place just doesn't have a feel to it - not like Sefton or Calderstones has.
It still has the feel of just being a divider between Heyworth, Netherfield and Gt Homer st.

[gregs dad]

The fact that is hilly puts a lot of people off,they want to stroll in the park not puff and pant up hills. Seems to be used by joggers when I have visited.

[ChrisGeorge]

That park never really took off. Don't know why, but it has no atmosphere. It does feel like an empty space, and yet the area has reverted to it's original state which was hills and fields.
A few people do use the park - mainly one or two dog walkers and people who park up their cars to look at the view. That's about it.
I think there is the occasional event that goes on there - but the place just doesn't have a feel to it - not like Sefton or Calderstones has.
It still has the feel of just being a divider between Heyworth, Netherfield and Gt Homer st.

I should say that any green space in an urban area is a plus.

Chris

[lindylou]

I agree Chris.

[Ged]

I went to Greaty market this morning, took a few snaps and nobody even asked if I was from the Soash or a plain clothes bizzy ;)


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