Urban Fox Hunting

[Kev]

This shocking image shows an urban fox with a chain bolted through its leg - amid growing fears they are being used to bait fighting dogs.

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Sep/Week4/15389665.jpg Thugs have drilled a hole through the fox's leg - (pic - Fox Project charity)


Campaigners have released a picture of a cub discovered with a chain threaded through one of its hind legs.

A hole had been drilled through the animal's flesh after it was caught by poachers in south east London.

It is feared that fighting dogs are being let loose on the trapped animals either for "fun" or as practice for illegal fights.

The animal in the picture above - named Jingles by rescuers - managed to chew through the leather strapping on the chain and escape its captor.

Nets and snares have been discovered in wooded land in the Rotherhithe area of London, along with large zip-up laundry bags hidden in undergrowth.

And police are investigating reports of residents spotting gangs in the woods with iron bars and dogs.

The London cases follow reports in Livepool of gangs unleashing dogs on the city's streets to "tear up" urban foxes.

The remains of two decapitated foxes have been found there.

In London, a number of cats have also been discovered "ripped to pieces" in the Rotherhithe area.

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[scouse smurf]

We should put the dog's owners down . I dunno why anyone would want to turn a dog violent animal

[ItsaZappathing]

This is sickening. :PDT_Xtremez_42:I am all for country sports including fox hunting but this is no sport.
The people who do that kind of stuff/cruelty are usually "thick as two short planks" . They have no skill in hunting and probably don't have a clue how to hunt.
It's Knobheads like this that can give country sports a bad rap.

[Diane Louise]

What an awful photo, so cruel and unnecessary to trap a poor fox! I hope they find the person/s responsible but I doubt it.

[LiverbirdLou]

There is no solution to the problem of foxes in urban areas, we just have to ensure that those of us with outdoor animals such as rabbits are protected from the foxes natural reaction to attack and to provide for their own.

This isn't sport in any way shape or form. Those who participate in such barbaric actions should serve lengthy jail terms and banned from owning animals for a lifetime.

[wsteve55]

The only country sport (how can you call killing anything,a sport?) I'd like to partake in,would be knobhead hunting,where you chase appropriate people across the country,till exhausted,then ask them how much "fun" it's been!:disgust:

[ItsaZappathing]

The only country sport (how can you call killing anything,a sport?)

Someone who doesn't know conservation eh ?
Well not all country sports are about killing. There's just as much fun in watching prey escape, in fact a good chase is better than a quick catch.


Next you will say falconry is cruel:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[wsteve55]

Someone who doesn't know conservation eh ?
Well not all country sports are about killing. There's just as much fun in watching prey escape, in fact a good chase is better than a quick catch.


Next you will say falconry is cruel:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Of course,less so,just like any so called sport,were animals are used for enjoyment, sadistic pleasure,etc,etc! I think we do enough already,by eating them!

p.s. Conservation? never! Nature has it's own techniques! That's just an excuse used by "smug country folk" who love animals soooooo much,they have to kill them,in the most spectacular way! I only wish I owned a big enough piece of land,that the local hunt might ask to cross it,to which I would agree,then give them a few blasts of a 12 bore!!(one can only dream!)

[Diane Louise]

The only country sport (how can you call killing anything,a sport?) I'd like to partake in,would be knobhead hunting,where you chase appropriate people across the country,till exhausted,then ask them how much "fun" it's been!:disgust:


I would like to chase foxhunters over the sticks with dogs and see how they like it!

The so called landed gentry haven't got anything better to do, how about charity work!

[wsteve55]

I would like to chase foxhunters over the sticks with dogs and see how they like it!

The so called landed gentry haven't got anything better to do, how about charity work!

Certainly,but unfortunately,it isn't, just the landed gentry,who partake in these so called sports,look at the local braindeads, with thier pit bulls,etc!

[ItsaZappathing]

Of course,less so,just like any so called sport,were animals are used for enjoyment, sadistic pleasure,etc,etc! I think we do enough already,by eating them!

p.s. Conservation? never! Nature has it's own techniques!

You obviously haven't a clue.!!

How is it if nature has it's own techniques that we are over run with Foxes,Magpies and Squirrels to name a few. ?
Conservation is the answer

It's the same old story,town folk knowing nothing about country life.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[GNASHER]

You are right Zappa,conservation is the answer but as in culling not as a 'sport'.
wsteve55,do you include the Grand National and other steeple chases ?

[lindylou]

Of course,less so,just like any so called sport,were animals are used for enjoyment, sadistic pleasure,etc,etc! I think we do enough already,by eating them!

p.s. Conservation? never! Nature has it's own techniques! That's just an excuse used by "smug country folk" who love animals soooooo much,they have to kill them,in the most spectacular way! I only wish I owned a big enough piece of land,that the local hunt might ask to cross it,to which I would agree,then give them a few blasts of a 12 bore!!(one can only dream!)

I agree.

[lindylou]

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do you include the Grand National and other steeple chases ?

The Grand National is a cruel race and always has been.

[scouse smurf]

The Grand National is a cruel race and always has been.

naaaa, it's not

[ItsaZappathing]

The Grand National is a cruel race and always has been.

I used to think that to be honest (when I was about 12 years old) but it isn't. :PDT_Piratz_26:

[AngelCake]

All Horse racing is cruel to be honest but humans always abuse animals for no reason and always will.
I'd never bet on the Grand National now i'm older and know how brutal it is. It's a blood sport:unibrow:

[scouse smurf]

Why is it cruel ?

[lindylou]

I used to think that to be honest (when I was about 12 years old) but it isn't. :PDT_Piratz_26:

Nothing to do with age. My grandmother maintained this view until the day she died. She was very much against it and would always remark about it every year when it came around.
She was also very anti-blood sports and had the same view as previous poster Diane Louise. Me too. I would love to trap blood sport participants in a large field with a couple of lions or large slavering Rotties :PDT_Piratz_26:


My grandmother was a vegetarian too.

[lindylou]

All Horse racing is cruel to be honest but humans always abuse animals for no reason and always will.
I'd never bet on the Grand National now i'm older and know how brutal it is. It's a blood sport:unibrow:

I don't bet on horses either.

[ItsaZappathing]

I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and I don't bet on horses.!!
I am not a cruel person but I do believe country sports belongs in the country and not with interfearing town people who don't have a clue.:PDT10

[irishseashipping.com]

I have no problems with country folk chasing round on horses after a fox which has a sporting chance of getting away - however, the thought of urban yobs baiting foxes and chasing them with dogs sickens me.

Some might wonder why the difference in attitude to the two groups

Organised rural foxhunting as been part of the rural scene for many years combining some sport with controil of a pest which harms landowners interests and I have always considered the ban on organised hunting an attack on rural intrests by "townies". Yes I am a townie - but I value the countryside and the rural way of life.

However, urban yobs are only into it for pure sadism in my oppinion.

If its not urban foxes they are hunting it will be some poor cat or small non aggressive dog.

[ItsaZappathing]

Well said Irishseashipping Co. Nice one. Exactly.:handclap::handclap::handclap:

[AngelCake]

I have no problems with country folk chasing round on horses after a fox which has a sporting chance of getting away - however, the thought of urban yobs baiting foxes and chasing them with dogs sickens me.

Some might wonder why the difference in attitude to the two groups

Organised rural foxhunting as been part of the rural scene for many years combining some sport with controil of a pest which harms landowners interests and I have always considered the ban on organised hunting an attack on rural intrests by "townies". Yes I am a townie - but I value the countryside and the rural way of life.

However, urban yobs are only into it for pure sadism in my oppinion.

If its not urban foxes they are hunting it will be some poor cat or small non aggressive dog.


If a fox is killing your animals then it should be treated as vermin but I don't understand how there is a difference bewteen dressing up in silly outfits and killing foxes when compared to "urban fox hunts"- both are cruel and done for pleasure.

[Diane Louise]

I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and I don't bet on horses.!!
I am not a cruel person but I do believe country sports belongs in the country and not with interfearing town people who don't have a clue.:PDT10

I take your point Zap but I do think there is a difference between culling and enjoying the death of a fox being torn to pieces by dogs.

Also I bet every year on the Grand National and enjoy watching the race but like every sport known to man, there will always be injuries and fatalities.

[wsteve55]

You are right Zappa,conservation is the answer but as in culling not as a 'sport'.
wsteve55,do you include the Grand National and other steeple chases ?

Surely do!

[wsteve55]

You obviously haven't a clue.!!

How is it if nature has it's own techniques that we are over run with Foxes,Magpies and Squirrels to name a few. ?
Conservation is the answer

It's the same old story,town folk knowing nothing about country life.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Ha,Ha,Ha,who's havin' a laugh now,like living in Norris Green gives you any creedence!!!! Nature culls it's own,it's mankind who upset the balance,and takes every possible advantage of the situation,before,during,and after!
Grey squirrels were imported from North America,by us,foxes natural habitat has been decimated,hence the migration to cities,to become junk food addicts,as for magpies,the massive growth in they're numbers,is,due, to the lack of traditional culling by gamekeepers,( The country folk who know best?)as they are obviously occupied with other things,these days! And dont forget,these so-called country folk, dont want the likes of you,or me,anywhere near them,as recent moves to block hard fought access to various country sites,have been made! All I know,is,that this is my country,and that means all of it,not just the bits "they" might see fit to let me visit!

p.s. I wonder where ye olde worlde country folk got thier land,anyway!?

[lindylou]

I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and I don't bet on horses.!!
I am not a cruel person but I do believe country sports belongs in the country and not with interfearing town people who don't have a clue.:PDT10

It's a wonder I was never vegetarian as my grandmother was and my mother still is, both eat no meat or fish. My mum did have to cook meat for my dad though :) (so I would eat it too).

I could live without meat but I have to admit that I do like fish.

[lindylou]

Nature culls it's own,it's mankind who upset the balance,and takes every possible advantage of the situation,before,during,and after!
Grey squirrels were imported from North America,by us,foxes natural habitat has been decimated,hence the migration to cities,to become junk food addicts,as for magpies,the massive growth in they're numbers,is,due, to the lack of traditional culling by gamekeepers,( The country folk who know best?)as they are obviously occupied with other things,these days! And dont forget,these so-called country folk, dont want the likes of you,or me,anywhere near them,as recent moves to block hard fought access to various country sites,have been made! All I know,is,that this is my country,and that means all of it,not just the bits "they" might see fit to let me visit!

p.s. I wonder where ye olde worlde country folk got thier land,anyway!?

well said :)



.. and to add another slant ... country mansions and stately homes on view to the paying public - - my dad would refuse to pay to go in such places. He would say the gentry ripped off the poor for centuries and the poor people paid enough already by working for buttons - - as he says, ''why should the working man pay again to walk around their bloody houses !!'' :PDT_Xtremez_42:

[Mark R]

I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and I don't bet on horses.!!
I am not a cruel person but I do believe country sports belongs in the country and not with interfearing town people who don't have a clue.:PDT10

That's garbage. Actually it has NOTHING to do with the country. Foxhunting should be confined to the scrapheap of barbaric history along with badger baiting, the slave trade and having kids working in workhouses.
Dickhead Harry Enfield tried to make the ridiculous assumption that it is a 'town v country thing'. He is an idiot who is completely out of touch with reality. It has nothing to do with 'class'. Take dog fighting for example; most who do it are 'townies'...:disgust:
It has nothing to do with pest control. Like a friend of mine said, he has never ever seen a photo of livestock killed by a fox. People should really get educated on this...

[Mark R]

I take your point Zap but I do think there is a difference between culling and enjoying the death of a fox being torn to pieces by dogs.

Also I bet every year on the Grand National and enjoy watching the race but like every sport known to man, there will always be injuries and fatalities.

Unfortunately, it is always the horses that are the fatalities...30 deaths at the National since 1998 - average three a year. I never bet on it.

[lindylou]

Racing is all about money. You only have to look at the plight of the greyhounds which are cast aside when their best days are over. Same with horses. There may be a few that are well cared for until their last - but there are so many more which are not. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

People care about money and profits and gamblers how much they will win.


I am against people breeding dogs (or any domestic animal) for profit and not being genuinely interested in the breed. Far too many breeding puppies to literally 'make a few bob' - half of them know nothing of the breed and want only to use their animals as a money making machine. I've heard it too often - over the years when I was out walking my Staffies, I've lost count of the times I was approached by some numpty - ''wanna' mate yer dog with mine?''
' d'ya breed yer dog'' '' as yer dog had pups?'' .... I've heard people saying they're short of a few bob so they'll mate their dogs for a litter to make money :PDT_Xtremez_12: :PDT_Xtremez_12:


... sorry ! I got on a rant there :PDT_Xtremez_42: .. but I've seen too many animal rescue centres. :disgust:

[ItsaZappathing]

Ha,Ha,Ha,who's havin' a laugh now,like living in Norris Green gives you any creedence!!!!
!?


What has Norris Green got to do with it ? You have just proven my point....
Talking about something you know nothing about....AGAIN!

I shall be out this week hunting rabbits,squirrels and magpies.:PDT10I will enjoy it. If nothing is caught it will still be just as much fun.:PDT11

[ItsaZappathing]

Unfortunately, it is always the horses that are the fatalities...30 deaths at the National since 1998 - average three a year. I never bet on it.

That's the way it is. I don't bet on the National but I don't complain.
Anyone ever thought of how much livelihood would be lost if it wasn't for our country sports ? No, I didn't think so.

I have met people like yourselves who are against hunting of any kind. The fact...they usually know sod all about country living,hunting and country sports. Fact!!!

I will not be posting anymore in this thread as there's too many namby pamby,tree huggin' don't have a clue posters here...in other words, you're talking out yer bum!!!:PDT10

[ItsaZappathing]

. People should really get educated on this...


That's right...including YOU!!!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist,this is my last post here):)

[Mark R]

That's the way it is. I don't bet on the National but I don't complain.
Anyone ever thought of how much livelihood would be lost if it wasn't for our country sports ? No, I didn't think so.

I have met people like yourselves who are against hunting of any kind. The fact...they usually know sod all about country living,hunting and country sports. Fact!!!

I will not be posting anymore in this thread as there's too many namby pamby,tree huggin' don't have a clue posters here...in other words, you're talking out yer bum!!!:PDT10

It's the only language you understand :rolleyes:

Regarding the National - that is WHY it exists - because not enough complain.
So, you could say the same about the slave trade then couldn't you? How much 'livelihood' was lost through that? Get in the 21st Century...:disgust:
You're the kind who would still have kids working up chimneys and women doing nothing but kitchenwork...

Actually, you know NOTHING of my intelligence. I actually DO know a bit about the countryside and have friends who do as well. As for 'sports' - try getting into a 'proper' sport.

[Mark R]

That's right...including YOU!

Oh I am educated. If it means being un-educated to loathe putting a defenceless animal through unnecessary suffering, then I can live with being un-educated:rolleyes:

It says a lot about people who like to inflict suffering on something defenceless :disgust:

[scouse smurf]

There's a big difference between slaves and the use of animals in sport.

Don't get me wrong, looking at that pic of the fox makes me think, shoot the b*stards that have done it and I also think any 'sport' were the result is to tear apart an animal is just beyond a joke.

But when u look at horse racing (not that I bet on any racing other than the national) then these horses make the owners money, so they've obviously gonna treat them really well. If the few unfortunate deaths make u want to ban horse racing then, stop eating any sort of meat, as they're bred for only that purpose. Also, who here would love to retire to a career of just staying at home and being allowed to sh*g any nice filly or stallion that's brought to u???

Let's just stop producing any sort of animal that is anything other than a pet, and let's see how many species will become extinct

Now can we get back to the disgraceful treatment of that fox, rather than horse racing ?

[Mark R]

There's a big difference between slaves and the use of animals in sport.

Don't get me wrong, looking at that pic of the fox makes me think, shoot the b*stards that have done it and I also think any 'sport' were the result is to tear apart an animal is just beyond a joke.

But when u look at horse racing (not that I bet on any racing other than the national) then these horses make the owners money, so they've obviously gonna treat them really well. If the few unfortunate deaths make u want to ban horse racing then, stop eating any sort of meat, as they're bred for only that purpose. Also, who here would love to retire to a career of just staying at home and being allowed to sh*g any nice filly or stallion that's brought to u???

Let's just stop producing any sort of animal that is anything other than a pet, and let's see how many species will become extinct

Now can we get back to the disgraceful treatment of that fox, rather than horse racing ?

Actually Scouse, the horses are treated absolutely abysmally to keep them in line for the sport of horse racing - you just don't get to see it. Btw I actually don't eat ANY sort of meat :PDT11

[scouse smurf]

Actually Scouse, the horses are treaed absolutely abysmally to keep them in line for the sport of horse racing - you just don't get to see it. Btw I actually don't eat ANY sort of meat :PDT11

Well, u're argument is just then :)

I'm sure our food stock animal are treated as badly if not worse that horses... But I've got that attitude that if I don't see it, then I don't really care plus if it's gonna be eaten then what's the point in giving it a room at the Carlton if I'm gonna have to pay more for it in the end

[Diane Louise]

What has Norris Green got to do with it ? You have just proven my point....
Talking about something you know nothing about....AGAIN!

I shall be out this week hunting rabbits,squirrels and magpies.:PDT10I will enjoy it. If nothing is caught it will still be just as much fun.:PDT11

You are very cruel, haven't you got anything better to do. They are not harming you. And what will you do with the ill-gotten gains! :disgust:

[Mark R]

You are very cruel, haven't you got anything better to do. They are not harming you. And what will you do with the ill-gotten gains! :disgust:

I think he said he wouldn't be contributing any more because of namby pamby tree huggers :PDT_Xtremez_42: I'll try and answer for you Diane - they hunt squirrels and the like because they are easy prey. Put these hunters on the African Plains with a pea shooter and ask them to hunt lions and they'd run a mile...:unibrow:

[scouse smurf]

Will zappa be hunting these little creatures himself or will he be using a flying thing to do it ?

[pablo42]

I think he said he wouldn't be contributing any more because of namby pamby tree huggers :PDT_Xtremez_42: I'll try and answer for you Diane - they hunt squirrels and the like because they are easy prey. Put these hunters on the African Plains with a pea shooter and ask them to hunt lions and they'd run a mile...:unibrow:

Not all of us Mark. I have hunted all different types of game and if I couldn't get a clean kill, I never took the shot. Not all hunters are cruel blood thirsty types. I've never liked killing much, but sometimes it's more than needed. I find pictures of foxes chained up offensive, and would certainly hunt those responsible.

[wsteve55]

What has Norris Green got to do with it ? You have just proven my point....
Talking about something you know nothing about....AGAIN!

I shall be out this week hunting rabbits,squirrels and magpies.:PDT10I will enjoy it. If nothing is caught it will still be just as much fun.:PDT11

I know..... enough to know,that it's below me, to kill,chase,or torment animals for "FUN"! Enough said,no argument!

[pablo42]

I know..... enough to know,that it's below me, to kill,chase,or torment animals for "FUN"! Enough said,no argument!

I think Zap means the walk and countryside is as much fun.

I'm answering for him cos he said he wasn't gonna post no more on this thread.

[wsteve55]

There's a big difference between slaves and the use of animals in sport.

Don't get me wrong, looking at that pic of the fox makes me think, shoot the b*stards that have done it and I also think any 'sport' were the result is to tear apart an animal is just beyond a joke.

But when u look at horse racing (not that I bet on any racing other than the national) then these horses make the owners money, so they've obviously gonna treat them really well. If the few unfortunate deaths make u want to ban horse racing then, stop eating any sort of meat, as they're bred for only that purpose. Also, who here would love to retire to a career of just staying at home and being allowed to sh*g any nice filly or stallion that's brought to u???

Let's just stop producing any sort of animal that is anything other than a pet, and let's see how many species will become extinct

Now can we get back to the disgraceful treatment of that fox, rather than horse racing ?

I understand your point SS, but is that really true? I think you can figure where your tins of "Chappie" came from! I dont think horse racing,etc should be banned,but there should should be more consideration of the animals involved, as living things,not cash generators,and what really galls me is when they try to tell me"they enjoy it" or worse, "they wouldn't exist,otherwise" which is fine by me,but a sad indictment of (some) humanity,if they see every living thing,as being here for our pleasure,only!

[pablo42]

I understand your point SS, but is that really true? I think you can figure where your tins of "Chappie" came from! I dont think horse racing,etc should be banned,but there should should be more consideration of the animals involved, as living things,not cash generators,and what really galls me is when they try to tell me"they enjoy it" or worse, "they wouldn't exist,otherwise" which is fine by me,but a sad indictment of (some) humanity,if they see every living thing,as being here for our pleasure,only!

Sheesh, what happened to fun?

[wsteve55]

Sheesh, what happened to fun?

Ask a horse/greyhound!

[Diane Louise]

I think he said he wouldn't be contributing any more because of namby pamby tree huggers :PDT_Xtremez_42: I'll try and answer for you Diane - they hunt squirrels and the like because they are easy prey. Put these hunters on the African Plains with a pea shooter and ask them to hunt lions and they'd run a mile...:unibrow:

We could have a whip round and send Zap on a safari to Africa to shoot some lions but even that wouldn't be right! :shock:

If culling needs to be done leave it to the experts.

[chrismarsden]

I often wonder why people are more concerned about the welfare of animals than they are of people. Every day vulnerable children and adults are abused and all people think about is a stinky old fox, I just don't get it....

[Diane Louise]

I often wonder why people are more concerned about the welfare of animals than they are of people. Every day vulnerable children and adults are abused and all people think about is a stinky old fox, I just don't get it....

I am concerned about all vulnerable people and animals. I don't like to see either in pain when there is no need for it.

I don't see the point in shooting a magpie, do you?

[wsteve55]

I often wonder why people are more concerned about the welfare of animals than they are of people. Every day vulnerable children and adults are abused and all people think about is a stinky old fox, I just don't get it....

Well,maybe that's just your narrow way of looking at "LIFE" in general!?!

[chrismarsden]

I am concerned about all vulnerable people and animals. I don't like to see either in pain when there is no need for it.

I don't see the point in shooting a magpie, do you?

Personally I don't like Magpies, especially when they steal chicks from nests.

[chrismarsden]

Well,maybe that's just your narrow way of looking at "LIFE" in general!?!

My narrow view of "LIFE" is that man is the most important species on the planet.

[lindylou]

Why is it always assumed that people who care for animals care for abused children less :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anyone with an ounce of feeling will have compassion for both - any vulnerable person or creature. Young children and dumb animals cannot speak up for themselves.

[wsteve55]

My narrow view of "LIFE" is that man is the most important species on the planet.

And your more than welcome to it! Why make the comparison in the first place?????? My outlook is much broader,it encompasses all life,even smelly foxes!!

[ItsaZappathing]

I am concerned about all vulnerable people and animals. I don't like to see either in pain when there is no need for it.

I don't see the point in shooting a magpie, do you?

Ok I couldn't resist (I am not gonna reply to other "silly" posts)

Ok I will tell you about "The Point of shooting Magpies"...
I used to have Sparrows,Linnets,Skylarks,Pheasants and Partridges nesting and feeding around by my area. Not anymore. This is due to Magpies. The magpies don't have a preditor as they are the preditor. Do you think it will be nice just seeing black and white murderous birds ONLY ? That goes for Grey squirrels too.
Magpies do not kill for food. They kill to be the most common bird around.
Grey Squirrels are a pest. They kill so many trees and also so many birds.
Just like the magpie they destroy nests. Kill chicks and eat eggs.
I have watched the common garden birds dwindle in the past few years and I do know that it is down to Magpies and squirrels (along with a little help from man too)

If I catch a squirrel or magpie it will be fed to a hawk or the squirrel will be cooked with a nice bit of veg:PDT_Piratz_26:

Ok my rant over....again!!

Forgot to add that Some people should stick to A-Z of games!!!

[wsteve55]

And some people should lern to spel!

P.S. No food,no magpies! Natures way....worked so far,till country bumpkins interfered!

[ItsaZappathing]

And some people should lern to spel!

P.S. No food,no magpies! Natures way....worked so far,till country bumpkins interfered!

And if you're dyslexic or just hit the wrong button what then oh perfect one.LOL

[wsteve55]

And if you're dyslexic or just hit the wrong button what then oh perfect one.LOL

And if you love A to Z games,and just p**s off the wrong poster? That's called Hypocrisy! Remember,people in glass houses......,or ,if you can't take it,dont give it out!

[chrismarsden]

Can we stay on topic, this thread does not relate to spelling in the title...

[scouse smurf]

now now boys, concentrate on the subject matter rather than personal attacks.

Zappa, out of interest do u shoot the magpies etc ? if not, how do they get killed ?

[wsteve55]

Can we stay on topic, this thread does not relate to spelling in the title...

Just a little riposte re' a to z games,which oddly,you didn't notice,but was also off topic,which,by the way,is about killing for fun!

[pablo42]

now now boys, concentrate on the subject matter rather than personal attacks.

Zappa, out of interest do u shoot the magpies etc ? if not, how do they get killed ?

The best way is tiny willow spines held by sinew. When the sinew is digested the willow spines pierce the stomach. Usually takes forty minutes.



Just kiddin' Scouse...or am I.

[ItsaZappathing]

Just a little riposte re' a to z games,which oddly,you didn't notice,but was also off topic,which,by the way,is about killing for fun!

As was the mention of Norris Green???? Anyway...............

Scouse Smurf.... Magpies I kill by shooting or getting a Larsen trap and then kill the bugger humanely. I hate to see any animals suffer.

Ps. Hope my spelling is up to scratch:handclap:

[wsteve55]

Norris Green = town = know nothing of countryside! Your calculation,not mine!
(spelling...... improved)

[chrismarsden]

Just a little riposte re' a to z games,which oddly,you didn't notice,but was also off topic,which,by the way,is about killing for fun!

Sorry Steve, must have missed something. Still don't get it.

[wsteve55]

Sorry Steve, must have missed something. Still don't get it.

Too laborious to explain,nothing really!

[chrismarsden]

Too laborious to explain,nothing really!

Ok thanks anyway.

[ItsaZappathing]

Norris Green = town = know nothing of countryside! Your calculation,not mine!
(spelling...... improved)

Norris Green = I don't live there. Silly boy.

A-Z again me thinks.

Spelling = Not a problem

[scouse smurf]

So, what about them poor foxes eh ?

[Diane Louise]

Ok I couldn't resist (I am not gonna reply to other "silly" posts)

Ok I will tell you about "The Point of shooting Magpies"...
I used to have Sparrows,Linnets,Skylarks,Pheasants and Partridges nesting and feeding around by my area. Not anymore. This is due to Magpies. The magpies don't have a preditor as they are the preditor. Do you think it will be nice just seeing black and white murderous birds ONLY ? That goes for Grey squirrels too.
Magpies do not kill for food. They kill to be the most common bird around.
Grey Squirrels are a pest. They kill so many trees and also so many birds.
Just like the magpie they destroy nests. Kill chicks and eat eggs.
I have watched the common garden birds dwindle in the past few years and I do know that it is down to Magpies and squirrels (along with a little help from man too)

If I catch a squirrel or magpie it will be fed to a hawk or the squirrel will be cooked with a nice bit of veg:PDT_Piratz_26:

Ok my rant over....again!!

Forgot to add that Some people should stick to A-Z of games!!!

So you decide to play God and who gave you that right?

I suggest you leave things to nature because the bottom line is, you are the worse predator of the lot! These poor animals have no defence against you and that is grossly unfair.

One day, as you are aiming your weapon at a magpie, someone could be aiming something at you!

[ItsaZappathing]

So you decide to play God and who gave you that right?

I suggest you leave things to nature because the bottom line is, you are the worse predator of the lot! These poor animals have no defence against you and that is grossly unfair.

One day, as you are aiming your weapon at a magpie, someone could be aiming something at you!

And do you think I believe in GOD ?

If I didn't shoot magpies near my home then all I would see when I look out would be pidgeons,magpies and grey squirrels instead of the woodpeckers,long tail ****,chaffinches,goldfinches,collared doves,hedge sparrows,blackbirds,song thrush and mistle thrush. That is a fact. I have yet to get house sparrows back,linnets,bullfinches and skylarks.
I feed the birds everyday and I have put up many different types of nest boxes. I have and will continue to help "our" garden birds.

My friend is a Dr of Ornithology who looks after red kites. He was on tv last week (The one show). I think he knows more than anyone here and he is in agreement about magpies and squirrels too.

Ok enough from me.
Do your garden birds a favour and get rid of a magpie or squirrel today!!!:PDT11

[scouse smurf]

Diane, not that I'm siding with Zappa but isn't anything us humans do part of natural scheme of things too ?

They always go on about natural order when predators kill animals and we're pretty much top of the tree. if we're torturing things then that's wrong coz it's just doing it for evil fun (like cat's with mice) but if there is a genuine purpose and it's done in a humane way then there's justification for it.

Whether it be Farmers killing foxes or the extreme of Zappa's personal quest to rid the world of magpies. ya gotta admit there's a lot more around now that there used to be and u see less smaller birds

Cruel treatment of anything is totally wrong, justified culling isn't wrong

[Diane Louise]

And do you think I believe in GOD ?

If I didn't shoot magpies near my home then all I would see when I look out would be pidgeons,magpies and grey squirrels instead of the woodpeckers,long tail ****,chaffinches,goldfinches,collared doves,hedge sparrows,blackbirds,song thrush and mistle thrush. That is a fact. I have yet to get house sparrows back,linnets,bullfinches and skylarks.
I feed the birds everyday and I have put up many different types of nest boxes. I have and will continue to help "our" garden birds.

My friend is a Dr of Ornithology who looks after red kites. He was on tv last week (The one show). I think he knows more than anyone here and he is in agreement about magpies and squirrels too.

Ok enough from me.
Do your garden birds a favour and get rid of a magpie or squirrel today!!!:PDT



I have to agree that there seems to be less birds of any variety but I am not going to go out and kill a magpie and I love squirrels and bunnies!

I can see that you really love birds and hate magpies but you don't have to kill them which I think is very wrong.

[chrismarsden]

And do you think I believe in GOD ?

If I didn't shoot magpies near my home then all I would see when I look out would be pidgeons,magpies and grey squirrels instead of the woodpeckers,long tail ****,chaffinches,goldfinches,collared doves,hedge sparrows,blackbirds,song thrush and mistle thrush. That is a fact. I have yet to get house sparrows back,linnets,bullfinches and skylarks.
I feed the birds everyday and I have put up many different types of nest boxes. I have and will continue to help "our" garden birds.

My friend is a Dr of Ornithology who looks after red kites. He was on tv last week (The one show). I think he knows more than anyone here and he is in agreement about magpies and squirrels too.

Ok enough from me.
Do your garden birds a favour and get rid of a magpie or squirrel today!!!:PDT11

This seems like a reasonable thing to do as the garden bird population does seem to be in decline compared to the rise in number of the magpies.
As John has demonstrated in the photo's of the beautiful birds he has in his garden his actions seem to be helping with the bird population.

[hmtmaj]

What is it John ?
One for Sorrow, TWO for Joy ? :PDT_Xtremez_42:

[AngelCake]

I'd never shoot a magpie because I didn't like it. How cruel are some people!

[wsteve55]

Diane, not that I'm siding with Zappa but isn't anything us humans do part of natural scheme of things too ?

They always go on about natural order when predators kill animals and we're pretty much top of the tree. if we're torturing things then that's wrong coz it's just doing it for evil fun (like cat's with mice) but if there is a genuine purpose and it's done in a humane way then there's justification for it.

Whether it be Farmers killing foxes or the extreme of Zappa's personal quest to rid the world of magpies. ya gotta admit there's a lot more around now that there used to be and u see less smaller birds

Cruel treatment of anything is totally wrong, justified culling isn't wrong

Well dont then,make up your own mind! The magpie population increase, is a result of bad management by the country bumpkins,and insufficient food resources in they're former,natural habitat,hence the move into urban area's! Much the same can be said of the fox population! Also,I've heard it said, somewhere, that we are reckoned to be more sophisticated,and even civilised!?? But that's probably just a rumour! :disgust:

[wsteve55]

Norris Green = I don't live there. Silly boy.

A-Z again me thinks.

Spelling = Not a problem

Huh,now I know why you dont like a to z's,comprende,foolish child!

[chrismarsden]

You seem very passionate about this subject Steve, do you belong to any conservation groups?

[wsteve55]

No,not at all! It's just one of my particular detestations,where, when confronted,you have to take a side!:nod:

[GNASHER]

I think Zappa is right about magpies, grays and in some areas foxes.But not killing them for 'sport'.
Magpies have to duck when I see them in my garden.They are a major pest as bad as seagulls and rats.

[ItsaZappathing]

Huh,now I know why you dont like a to z's,comprende,foolish child!

Duh...
Who said I don't like A-Z's ? Not me. Another silly statement me thinks.
Are you talking out yer bum again ?:PDT10
Go and play!!!

The magpie population has increased through prolific breeding of the magpie. Nothing to do with humans.
I feed the foxes and never shoot them.
I repeat "I never kill for fun or for blood."
However if the foxes became such a pest then I would have no problem killing them.



Understandee englishee.:PDT10

[ItsaZappathing]

Enjoy...
http://www.supportfoxhunting.co.uk/

[scouse smurf]

I think Zappa is right about magpies, grays and in some areas foxes.But not killing them for 'sport'.
Magpies have to duck when I see them in my garden.They are a major pest as bad as seagulls and rats.

:eek: Isn't a gray one of them alien types ?

[Mark R]

Enjoy...
http://www.supportfoxhunting.co.uk/

All that you are doing is promoting criminal behaviour. Typical. Foxhunting has been BANNED in this country, therefore it is a criminal act and all of the foxhunting fraternity are criminals.:PDT10

Btw, I feed squirrels in my garden and the birdlife in my garden is thriving. They are squirrels that you will never get the chance to shoot:)

It is typical and arrogant to suggest that us 'humans' are the superior life form...What garbage. 'Our' life form is doing more to destroy the planet than every other life form put together. Man is responsible for global warming, the damage to the ozone layer, the destruction of the rainforests and also the extinction and possible extinction of animals. I can gladly say that I am ashamed of it...Let us not forget that it is 'our' species that has also produced serial killers, paedophiles and murderers...Not that intelligent are we?:rolleyes:

I wouldn't get caught up in a slanging match wsteve55. you're banging your head against a brick wall...You know when somebody is losing an argument or doesn't have something constructive to say when they have to resort to insults...:):PDT10

Chrismarsden: Why do you suppose that people that care about animals don't care about humans? It isn't a competition. I think you will find that most (if not ALL) animal lovers despise cruelty to any life form.

[pablo42]

Man is responsible for global warming? You'll be saying we created the Ice Age too.

[Mark R]

Man is responsible for global warming? You'll be saying we created the Ice Age too.

Yes. A scientific report, based on the work of some 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries, concluded that humans have caused all or most of the current planetary warming. Human-caused global warming is often called anthropogenic climate change.

[pablo42]

Yes. A scientific report, based on the work of some 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries, concluded that humans have caused all or most of the current planetary warming. Human-caused global warming is often called anthropogenic climate change.

So why has Mars warmed up to the same degree?

[Mark R]

So why has Mars warmed up to the same degree?

It has nothing to do with Mars. I'm talking about the global warming here on earth.

[pablo42]

Mark, Mars is warming at the same rate as Earth, yet there are no people. There is no doubt Earth is warming up, but it's highly unlikely it's people that are responsible.

[Mark R]

Mark, Mars is warming at the same rate as Earth, yet there are no people. There is no doubt Earth is warming up, but it's highly unlikely it's people that are responsible.

Ok Pablo, so ALL those scientific experts are wrong and you are right. There's no doubt that the world will be destroyed by the sun in billions of years from now but we are trying our best to speed it up. :PDT_Xtremez_42:

[pablo42]

Ok Pablo, so ALL those scientific experts are wrong and you are right. There's no doubt that the world will be destroyed by the sun in billions of years from now but we are trying our best to speed it up. :PDT_Xtremez_42:

No Mark, not all the scientific experts agree. I doubt if we put all the combined efforts of man to wilfully destroy the Earth that we would have very little impact at all.

[Mark R]

No Mark, not all the scientific experts agree. I doubt if we put all the combined efforts of man to wilfully destroy the Earth that we would have very little impact at all.

We're going a bloody good way to it. I wouldn't call the extinction of many animals 'little impact'. Most of the endangered species will probably be gone in the next 20 years and that is down to man. Also the deforestation and nuclear testing and warfare is hardly beneficial to earth.

[pablo42]

We're going a bloody good way to it. I wouldn't call the extinction of many animals 'little impact'. Most of the endangered species will probably be gone in the next 20 years and that is down to man. Also the deforestation and nuclear testing and warfare is hardly beneficial to earth.

Nuclear testing hasn't happened for a long time. Warfare is certainly destructive, but it's very localised, and that includes World War Two. Species are becoming extinct all the time. Man is a bit too ready to hurry it along, but it will happen anyway. Deforestation is a huge problem that man should tackle now.

[Mark R]

I only wish I owned a big enough piece of land,that the local hunt might ask to cross it,to which I would agree,then give them a few blasts of a 12 bore!!(one can only dream!)

Ha ha. I'll dream as well wsteve55 - I'd give you an AK 47 then you could shoot more of the scum :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[wsteve55]

Duh...
Who said I don't like A-Z's ? Not me. Another silly statement me thinks.
Are you talking out yer bum again ?:PDT10
Go and play!!!

The magpie population has increased through prolific breeding of the magpie. Nothing to do with humans.
I feed the foxes and never shoot them.
I repeat "I never kill for fun or for blood."
However if the foxes became such a pest then I would have no problem killing them.



Understandee englishee.:PDT10

You never kill for fun?Thats not what you said earlier,when you did say,"it's just as much fun,even if they get away"! Even if an animal becomes a pest (that's our definition,by the way) there are more ,dare I say,"civilised ways of dealing with it,than a gang of knobheads riding round on horses,shouting "Tally Ho,or urban "whitehunters" with thier dogs,nipping down to Crocky park,for a nights "conservation" work! As for Magpies,they do have natural predators,which are usually crows,and the R.S.P.B. state that though numbers did increase in the 60's, 70's, 80's, this has now largely stabilised! They do, consider that these populations have moved,caused by the changes in thier suitable territory i.e.types of farmland,which have also changed dramatically,over a similar period! So there you go,man did cause the problem, though I'm sure this wasn't a consideration,many farm owners gave much time to!
Also,as for speaking from an anal orifice,I bow to your superior experience, Que?

[wsteve55]

No Mark, not all the scientific experts agree. I doubt if we put all the combined efforts of man to wilfully destroy the Earth that we would have very little impact at all.

Bloody 'ell pab,I wish I had your confidence! I have some doubts about the causes of global warming,as it does seem to be a natural process,based on historical fact,but I'm sure that we can,and are, exacerbating the situation! Are you forgetting other possible man-made "effects",such as population growth,nuclear proliferation,North Korea,Iran,Israel,etc,never mind slow poisoning by pollution!

[pablo42]

Bloody 'ell pab,I wish I had your confidence! I have some doubts about the causes of global warming,as it does seem to be a natural process,based on historical fact,but I'm sure that we can,and are, exacerbating the situation! Are you forgetting other possible man-made "effects",such as population growth,nuclear proliferation,North Korea,Iran,Israel,etc,never mind slow poisoning by pollution!

Steve, population growth is probably mans biggest hurdle for the future. All types of excuses are pulled out of the hat, but the underlying cause is over population. Nuclear proliferation has little impact on Global warming, even if they were used. Very localised damage.

[wsteve55]

Steve, population growth is probably mans biggest hurdle for the future. All types of excuses are pulled out of the hat, but the underlying cause is over population. Nuclear proliferation has little impact on Global warming, even if they were used. Very localised damage.

I'd agree,to a point,but nuclear proliferation having little impact? Only, if they dont use them!:unibrow:

[ItsaZappathing]

You never kill for fun?Thats notwhat you said earlier,when you did say,"it's just as much fun,even if they get away"! Also,as for speaking from an anal orifice,I bow to your superior experience, Que?

Yeah the fun is being out with fellow hunters.

Pablo...the proof is in the pudding as they say. I noticeda while back that there's too many people trying to talk about stuff they know nothing about.!!

Please don't bow for me. Am not into that kinda thing. Unlike some, I bend over for no one!!!

Now stop being a silly little boy and come and play A-Z's..I will join in with you. LOL

MarkR..nothing stopping me throwing a red tail or harris hawk into trees to get squirrels. Don't need to shoot em'. Oh and I have just got myself a squirrel trap:unibrow:

[ItsaZappathing]

I think Zappa is right about magpies, grays and in some areas foxes.But not killing them for 'sport'.
Magpies have to duck when I see them in my garden.They are a major pest as bad as seagulls and rats.

Well said Gnasher. I wouldn't bother trying to educate or explain here anymore. Waste of time...come play A-Z:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Diane Louise]

Nuclear testing hasn't happened for a long time. Warfare is certainly destructive, but it's very localised, and that includes World War Two. Species are becoming extinct all the time. Man is a bit too ready to hurry it along, but it will happen anyway. Deforestation is a huge problem that man should tackle now.

Didn't Korea do a couple of nuclear tests a few months ago?

I reckon all the effects of any nuclear tests are still in the atmosphere and has certainly affected our weather. I think we are responsible for most of what is happening in the world today.

[wsteve55]

Yeah the fun is being out with fellow hunters.

Pablo...the proof is in the pudding as they say. I noticeda while back that there's too many people trying to talk about stuff they know nothing about.!!

Please don't bow for me. Am not into that kinda thing. Unlike some, I bend over for no one!!!

Now stop being a silly little boy and come and play A-Z's..I will join in with you. LOL

MarkR..nothing stopping me throwing a red tail or harris hawk into trees to get squirrels. Don't need to shoot em'. Oh and I have just got myself a squirrel trap:unibrow:

Being with fellow hunters? (tee,hee!) I'm guessing these are male? That would maybe explain your constant referal to anal activity, but how you do it standing up?......fair makes the mind boggle! (Oh,and well done,you got the right letter!)

[ItsaZappathing]

Being with fellow hunters? (tee,hee!) I'm guessing these are male? That would maybe explain your constant referal to anal activity, but how you do it standing up?......fair makes the mind boggle! (Oh,and well done,you got the right letter!)
Oh dear wrong again.!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you do what standing up ? Are you being silly again ? Falconers can fly hawks sitting down or standing. ? What planet are you on?
There's a few women who fly raptors . I also know women who shoot.
Your in the wrong game here mate...You are all wrong...AGAIN!!

Tee,hee more like duh!!!

[wsteve55]

Ha ha. I'll dream as well wsteve55 - I'd give you an AK 47 then you could shoot more of the scum :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Or one of those muck-spreaders,which would absolutely ruin thier lovely red jackets:D

[wsteve55]

Oh dear wrong again.!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you do what standing up ? Are you being silly again ? Falconers can fly hawks sitting down or standing. ? What planet are you on?
There's a few women who fly raptors . I also know women who shoot.
Your in the wrong game here mate...You are all wrong...AGAIN!!

Tee,hee more like duh!!!

Ha,HA,Ha,hilarious!:handclap::handclap::handclap:

[ItsaZappathing]

Or one of those muck-spreaders,which would absolutely ruin thier lovely red jackets:D

THIER - NOT IN DICTIONARY.
THEIR - IN DICTIONARY

Oh dear, wrong AGAIN!!

Talk about easy spelling:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[scouse smurf]

for gods sake, will you two just behave!!!

you'll be pulling down your pant and comparing sizes next

[ItsaZappathing]

Gitcha smurf:PDT10

[Diane Louise]

for gods sake, will you two just behave!!!

you'll be pulling down your pant and comparing sizes next


Heaven forbid! :shock:

[ItsaZappathing]

THIER - NOT IN DICTIONARY.
THEIR - IN DICTIONARY

Oh dear, wrong AGAIN!!

Talk about easy spelling:PDT_Xtremez_42:

This is funny :handclap:

[wsteve55]

THIER - NOT IN DICTIONARY.
THEIR - IN DICTIONARY

Oh dear, wrong AGAIN!!

Talk about easy spelling:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Weeeeeeell done!:handclap:

[wsteve55]

for gods sake, will you two just behave!!!

you'll be pulling down your pant and comparing sizes next

Dont have too,sew apparent!:unibrow:

[Ged]

My two penneth worth.

If a country pest has to be controlled then do it by culling to reduce numbers. The foxhunters defence during the banning issue was that many get away. If that's the case then they're contradicting the very fact that they're controlling the situation.

As for horse racing, I was always told, you watch a horse that's lost it's jockey - what does it do. It still jumps the fences. It's a horses natural instinct.

[wsteve55]

Well,you dont get dressed up to kill rats, but I think the sewer would be a more appropriate place for these people,"Jolly What"! Horses wouldn't naturally jump obstacles,unless trained to do so,but I've got nothing against them racing,just the way they are treated,when they are no longer useful
i.e. skinned,tinned,and binned!

[chrismarsden]

Being with fellow hunters? (tee,hee!) I'm guessing these are male? That would maybe explain your constant referal to anal activity, but how you do it standing up?......fair makes the mind boggle! (Oh,and well done,you got the right letter!)

This is where you have let yourself down Steve, before this point you have provided a good argument, unfortunately you have now lost it, give it up now.

[wsteve55]

Well, it has got a bit daft,but I aint been doin' it on my own,and not the first to start making derogatory remarks!!!

[ItsaZappathing]

Not the first ? What ? I was pulled up on my spelling then for some weird reason Norris Green was mentioned and then...ohhh forget it. The poor fella lost the plot!!!

[scouse smurf]

Kev, will u lock this thread. It's going nowhere and is getting beyond pathetic

[pablo42]

Kev, will u lock this thread. It's going nowhere and is getting beyond pathetic

Hey Scouse, I was just starting to enjoy it. Gonna tell of me tales of shooting tigers and pandas.

[scouse smurf]

Hey Scouse, I was just starting to enjoy it. Gonna tell of me tales of shooting tigers and pandas.

lol, start a new thread called Pablo's stories :)

[pablo42]

lol, start a new thread called Pablo's stories :)

I'd get locked up for half of them. I've been asked to write a book about me adventures, but can't remember most of them. Too much alcohol during me travels. I rely on other people telling me what I done.

[pablo42]

Didn't Korea do a couple of nuclear tests a few months ago?

I reckon all the effects of any nuclear tests are still in the atmosphere and has certainly affected our weather. I think we are responsible for most of what is happening in the world today.

There's a bit of dispute over Koreans nuclear test. The signature of the device is very different to a nuclear expolsion. The clever money is on it being a massive conventional device. This brinkmanship has been used in the past.

The three biggest effects of nuclear explosions/ accidents have proved localised. Hiroshima and Nagasaki these were inhabited straight away, mainly through ignorance, and Chernobyl. Chernobyl is proving that nature can clean up an area pretty fast. It is still hazardous to humans, but the wildlife is showing a remarkable recovery.

[wsteve55]

There's a bit of dispute over Koreans nuclear test. The signature of the device is very different to a nuclear expolsion. The clever money is on it being a massive conventional device. This brinkmanship has been used in the past.

The three biggest effects of nuclear explosions/ accidents have proved localised. Hiroshima and Nagasaki these were inhabited straight away, mainly through ignorance, and Chernobyl. Chernobyl is proving that nature can clean up an area pretty fast. It is still hazardous to humans, but the wildlife is showing a remarkable recovery.

Russian estimates of 50, to 200, years, before humans would be safe to live in the area,are generally agreed,and though wildlife does seem to have recovered,they are still exposed to high levels of radiation,which must have an effect,surely!?

[pablo42]

Russian estimates of 50, to 200, years, before humans would be safe to live in the area,are generally agreed,and though wildlife does seem to have recovered,they are still exposed to high levels of radiation,which must have an effect,surely!?

It would appear that the wildlife is thriving. Dunno about the long term effects. Take a look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[ItsaZappathing]

Hey Scouse, I was just starting to enjoy it. Gonna tell of me tales of shooting tigers and pandas.

What no elephants ? Lol.

[ItsaZappathing]

Not the first ? What ? I was pulled up on my spelling then for some weird reason Norris Green was mentioned and then...ohhh forget it. The poor fella lost the plot!!!

Just a reminder :PDT_Piratz_26:

[pablo42]

What no elephants ? Lol.

I could tell you stories of elephant poachers that I came across. Seen some dreadful elephant deaths. They are almost human when it comes to grieving. Quite strange.

[pablo42]

Just a reminder :PDT_Piratz_26:

Ha, not much of a hippy now Zap...

[wsteve55]

Just a reminder :PDT_Piratz_26:

Ha,H,we've had a right good laugh over the last few days,thanks!

[wsteve55]

Slightly different victims,but,apparently,Liverpool is one of,if not the worst place in the country,for dog fighting! Draw your own conclusions!:disgust:

[ItsaZappathing]

Ha,H,we've had a right good laugh over the last few days,thanks!

Ha H ?

Who's "we" ? Not me !!!

Glad you thanked me for the info though. Your welcome :PDT11
Maybe now you'll think before you type:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[pablo42]

Slightly different victims,but,apparently,Liverpool is one of,if not the worst place in the country,for dog fighting! Draw your own conclusions!:disgust:

I believe so, over here there have been dog thefts of Staffordshire Bulls. People reckon these are stolen for training the fighting dogs. Disgusting people, who do such things.

[Mark R]

My two penneth worth.

If a country pest has to be controlled then do it by culling to reduce numbers. The foxhunters defence during the banning issue was that many get away. If that's the case then they're contradicting the very fact that they're controlling the situation.

As for horse racing, I was always told, you watch a horse that's lost it's jockey - what does it do. It still jumps the fences. It's a horses natural instinct.

You're right regarding the contradiction by foxhunters - but the ironic thing is an extremely high number of foxes are killed by vehicles...It has nothing to do with pest control. There are many rural people who abhor foxhunting. It is a complete myth to suggest it is a 'town v country' thing. This is a smokescreen for a desperate group who are scraping the barrel.

Ah yes Ged, the unseated jockey argument...It is a horses instinct to run - it could be argued that they have had it driven into them. I tend to look at the fact that when you travel through the countryside, how many horses do you see 'running?' None whatsoever...They have been driven to it by us humans in the name of warfare and so-called sport. Admittedly, I'm sure the majority of people like your good self who watch and bet on horse racing don't want to see the animal dead unlike foxhunting.

As this thread is about fox-hunting, and foxhunting is BANNED there should be no more debate about it...;)

[Mark R]

Genie?en... :)

http://www.keepcrueltyhistory.com/

HAPPY HUNTING, NOT !!!!!

[pablo42]

I think if you don't like fox hunting, might I suggest that you don't go to one.

[Mark R]

I think if you don't like fox hunting, might I suggest that you don't go to one.

I don't go to them. But they are outlawed and anybody who does take part in one is a criminal.

[pablo42]

I don't go to them. But they are outlawed and anybody who does take part in one is a criminal.

I don't think this law is being enforced though is it. To be honest, don't get too many of 'em in Wallasey.

[Mark R]

I don't think this law is being enforced though is it. To be honest, don't get too many of 'em in Wallasey.

You're not wrong there Pablo...Clarissa Dickson-Wright and Sir Mark Prescott pleaded guilty to hare coursing fairly recently and walked out of court...

[pablo42]

You're not wrong there Pablo...Clarissa Dickson-Wright and Sir Mark Prescott pleaded guilty to hare coursing fairly recently and walked out of court...

I don't really agree with Hare Coursing, reckon that's why I don't go. What do they do with the dead hares. Spose there wouldn't be much left of 'em.

[lindylou]

...It is a horses instinct to run - it could be argued that they have had it driven into them. I tend to look at the fact that when you travel through the countryside, how many horses do you see 'running?' None whatsoever...They have been driven to it by us humans in the name of warfare and so-called sport.


yes, you'd never see horses scrambling to clear ridiculously high jumps like those in the G. National. They wouldn't do that instinctively for fun !

[lindylou]

You're not wrong there Pablo...Clarissa Dickson-Wright and Sir Mark Prescott pleaded guilty to hare coursing fairly recently and walked out of court...

yeah, I've gone right off her :disgust:

[ItsaZappathing]

Mark R.... Sorry but I love to hunt.
It's hunting season now...Yippee!!

Hare coursing is good. Most of the hares escape.
As for hunting foxes....I'm all for that and I like most country sports.
You can be an animal lover and hunt.

[hmtmaj]

You can be an animal lover and hunt.

Sorry Zappa, I have to ask...
That's not an intended spelling mistake is it :ninja:

[ItsaZappathing]

And hunt Mart:PDT_Xtremez_42: not and A hunt:eek:

[wsteve55]

Isn't that known as schizophrenia!!!!

[ItsaZappathing]

Isn't that known as schizophrenia!!!!

Who said that ?

[scouse smurf]

another species to add to ur list, Zappa

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217403/Open-season-parakeets-Exotic-birds-shot-licence-new-regulations.html

[ItsaZappathing]

If that's the case then so be it. Why not ? Because they have colours and look p p pretty (polly) ?

I had some Parrakeet type birds living by me. Nightmare. The noise is bad.
There was talk of shooting the European Eagle owls we have here because they're munching on hedgehogs and other birds of prey.
I would hate them being shot but conservation is conservation. Could I do it. Yes, if there was a need.

[Mark R]

Sorry Zappa, I have to ask...
That's not an intended spelling mistake is it :ninja:

:handclap::handclap:

[Mark R]

As for hunting foxes....I'm all for that and I like most country sports.
You can be an animal lover and hunt.

Sorry - you're wrong. that is a contradiction I'm afraid. You might like some animal species but it doesn't make you an animal lover:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[Ged]

I am against the blood sport killing of defenceless animals as much as the next decent man but the next time you see all those lovely sheep on the hills or cows mulling around a field, or even horses in the paddock. Remember they are only there and being bred for one thing or they'd be extinct altogether. Food or Sport.

[Mark R]

I am against the blood sport killing of defenceless animals as much as the next decent man but the next time you see all those lovely sheep on the hills or cows mulling around a field, or even horses in the paddock. Remember they are only there and being bred for one thing or they'd be extinct altogether. Food or Sport.

I can gladly say Ged that it won't be because of me :)

[Ged]

So then, they would become extinct anyway so no thread ;)

[ItsaZappathing]

Sorry - you're wrong. that is a contradiction I'm afraid. You might like some animal species but it doesn't make you an animal lover:PDT_Xtremez_42:

No sorry needed as you are wrong (again). And don't be afraid, I wont bite :unibrow:
I like all animal species and find the majority of them interesting. That goes for rats,squirrels and magpies. However,because I hunt a certain animal which by law is legal to hunt then that doesn't mean I don't like the animal.
If magpies where to become rare then I would try and help increase the species.

I have owned many stuffed animals including,foxes,owls,birds of prey,kayman,badger,red squirrel and a 9ft brown bear. All of which were very old or had papers for proof from DEFRA.:PDT11
I would never buy any new stuffed animals. The reason- you don't know if they where killed legally and if they where stuffed legally.:PDT10

[wsteve55]

I am against the blood sport killing of defenceless animals as much as the next decent man but the next time you see all those lovely sheep on the hills or cows mulling around a field, or even horses in the paddock. Remember they are only there and being bred for one thing or they'd be extinct altogether. Food or Sport.

I have to agree to a point Ged,but as I said,quite early on,what a sad indictment on us,if that's, all, they're here for?

[ItsaZappathing]

I have to agree to a point Ged,but as I said,quite early on,what a sad indictment on us,if that's, all, they're here for?

Horses that race are bred for racing,horses that jump are bred for jumping.
No problem !!:PDT10

[ChrisGeorge]

The only country sport (how can you call killing anything,a sport?) I'd like to partake in,would be knobhead hunting,where you chase appropriate people across the country,till exhausted,then ask them how much "fun" it's been!:disgust:


I'm all for Yobbo hunting, tracking down the sort of people who would do that to a fox. Ugh!!!! :PDT_Xtremez_42:

Chris

[ItsaZappathing]

I'm all for Yobbo hunting, tracking down the sort of people who would do that to a fox. Ugh!!!! :PDT_Xtremez_42:

Chris

And I would gladly lead the way:PDT11

[wsteve55]

Horses that race are bred for racing,horses that jump are bred for jumping.
No problem !!:PDT10

You managed to figure that then!

[ItsaZappathing]

You managed to figure that then!

I don't mean to be rude but you'd be better sticking to your a-z's.
You do say some daft things,sorry but so true.:PDT10
Go on,go play.

[wsteve55]

I'm all for Yobbo hunting, tracking down the sort of people who would do that to a fox. Ugh!!!! :PDT_Xtremez_42:

Chris

It's the schizophrenic adherants,that are the worst Chris!:nod::retard:

[wsteve55]

I don't mean to be rude but you'd be better sticking to your a-z's.
You do say some daft things,sorry but so true.:PDT10
Go on,go play.

I know you dont want to be rude...it's just your nature!

[ItsaZappathing]

You managed to figure that then!

Oh by the way,that's about the forth bit of crap/abuse you've given me. But who's counting. Try not to resort to name calling etc. It will get you nowhere!

[scouse smurf]

be nice, both of ya !!!!

I'm sure I've said that before :PDT_Xtremez_42:

[wsteve55]

You,are obviously counting something! As for name calling,any I may have,are for me, to decide when to use,so you just keep your own counsel!(By the way,it's fourth,yeh!)

[wsteve55]

be nice, both of ya !!!!

I'm sure I've said that before :PDT_Xtremez_42:

I am nice,just dont like killing things,much!

[ItsaZappathing]

Well then I shall not stoop as low as yourself.
I am just going to say...You're a *****!! (Begins with a P and ends with a K.)
I hope Kev takes some action now without closing the thread.

[scouse smurf]

u know, it's threads like this that make some of us wonder why the f*ck we stay on this site. If u 2 can't get on then don't make comments to each other that don't need to be said in public

now incase u missed it

be nice, both of ya !!!!

[ItsaZappathing]

u know, it's threads like this that make some of us wonder why the f*ck we stay on this site. If u 2 can't get on then don't make comments to each other that don't need to be said in public



And if you notice the ****ging came from a-z wsteve. Just letting you be aware KEV!!

[ItsaZappathing]

I've just pm'd the nugget to ask what his/her problem is? And if there's one with me then tell me. Don't be shy:PDT11

[scouse smurf]

I've just pm'd the nugget to ask what his/her problem is? And if there's one with me then tell me. Don't be shy:PDT11

there's no need for u to tell us that. That's between u and Steve and please keep it that way

[ItsaZappathing]

there's no need for u to tell us that. That's between u and Steve and please keep it that way

Why quote it. Lol:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[wsteve55]

And if you notice the ****ging came from a-z wsteve. Just letting you be aware KEV!!

As I've said before,if you can't take it,DONT,give it out! Keep out of my way,and I'll quite happily reciprocate you l***e s**t.(run along and tell mumsy:retard:)

[ItsaZappathing]

Silly boy!!

[wsteve55]

Silly boy!!

Just keeping you real!

[ItsaZappathing]

Shhhhhhhhh. Go a bobo :PDT_Xtremez_42:

[wsteve55]

Stop sending me pm's zappa, I'm not that way inclined!




Just keeping you real!

[ItsaZappathing]

Stop sending me pm's zappa, I'm not that way inclined!




Just keeping you real!

I sent 2. One to ask your problem. And you replied. I told you that you where boring.FACT!!!
I reckon this thread will be locked soon. All because some boring one decided to cause upset .FACT!
Sad that some people join in when they clearly are not intelligent enough to have a debate.
Am done here. Beyond the joke.:PDT10

[wsteve55]

I sent 2. One to ask your problem. And you replied. I told you that you where boring.FACT!!!
I reckon this thread will be locked soon. All because some boring one decided to cause upset .FACT!
Sad that some people join in when they clearly are not intelligent enough to have a debate.
Am done here. Beyond the joke.:PDT10

Well, shut it then!

[ItsaZappathing]

What a pratt!!!

[wsteve55]

What a pratt!!!

Like I said,just shut it!

[ItsaZappathing]

Like I said...PRATT!!
As for telling me to "shut it"... I would gladly let you try and make me. Anytime anyplace anywhere.
Now go play A-Z. This thread (and forum) is for adults.!!!

[ItsaZappathing]

Well, shut it then!

Very nice . Make me you pratt of little intelligence!! :PDT10

[scouse smurf]

God, I come home to the same sh*t as last night.

Grow up will ya's

Kev, any chance of closing this thread ???

[ItsaZappathing]

God, I come home to the same sh*t as last night.

Grow up will ya's

Kev, any chance of closing this thread ???


Now now Smurf. Let's not forget what PRATT spoiled this thread and started the abuse.!!

[scouse smurf]

In my best headmasters voice....

I don't care who started it but it stops now

hmmmm, now where did I put my cane

[Bernie]

Every time a thread is spoiled by childish nonsense, the same person is involved. He seems to have some sort of magic protection the Admin. never do anything but close threads .
Recently I made a post about him and the whole thread was deleted within half an hour.
Anytime the shoutbox has been removed, he has been involved in insulting behaviour on it.
He has harassed women by email and lost us some valuable contributing members who will never return.
He even complained there is no free speech here on another Liverpool forum.
Going on past actions I am sure this post will be removed too.

[ItsaZappathing]

Every time a thread is spoiled by childish nonsense, the same person is involved. He seems to have some sort of magic protection the Admin. never do anything but close threads .
Recently I made a post about him and the whole thread was deleted within half an hour.
Anytime the shoutbox has been removed, he has been involved in insulting behaviour on it.
He has harassed women by email and lost us some valuable contributing members who will never return.
He even complained there is no free speech here on another Liverpool forum.
Going on past actions I am sure this post will be removed too.

I didn't know he did that!!
Sad. I hope Kev sorts him out once and for all:PDT10

[ItsaZappathing]

Lets look at the evidence......
A decent thread going.Then I get Norris Green thrown at me for some reason ?
I then get pulled up on my spelling and then I got some abuse.
I pm'd the Pratt to ask his/her problem with me as they seemed to have one . I got a silly pm back asking me to look at something ???
Then the abuse continued towards myself so I did reciprocate.
Jobs a good un' :PDT_Piratz_26:and stupidity is obvious:PDT10

[Diane Louise]

Lets look at the evidence......
A decent thread going.Then I get Norris Green thrown at me for some reason ?
I then get pulled up on my spelling and then I got some abuse.
I pm'd the Pratt to ask his/her problem with me as they seemed to have one . I got a silly pm back asking me to look at something ???
Then the abuse continued towards myself so I did reciprocate.
Jobs a good un' :PDT_Piratz_26:and stupidity is obvious:PDT10

These people who abuse others should be stopped in their tracks before the situation escalates. They are very childish and need to ask themselves why they do it? There is really no reason why everyone can't be civil to one another even when disagreeing!

Who is this silly person?

[ItsaZappathing]

These people who abuse others should be stopped in their tracks before the situation escalates. They are very childish and need to ask themselves why they do it? There is really no reason why everyone can't be civil to one another even when disagreeing!

Who is this silly person?

Well said Diane.
You only after read back to see who spoilt things (again). Sad really.

[Bernie]

Who is this silly person?

He is the person who is expert at causing trouble then acting as if he was the offended person.

[ItsaZappathing]

Diane knows who HE is:PDT11

[ItsaZappathing]

Oh Diane I better tell you that I usually get the blame. Not this time though.:PDT10

[wsteve55]

Like I said...PRATT!!
As for telling me to "shut it"... I would gladly let you try and make me. Anytime anyplace anywhere.
Now go play A-Z. This thread (and forum) is for adults.!!!

Well,Hilda,you say,I do......day,time,and place,I'll be there,but will you?? Now will you give everyone here a rest,from your arrogant,conceited,tosh? You mighty "King of the Sh*tbox", just go away,and find something to cull!

[ItsaZappathing]

Ohh you still here nobby ?
You've been told. Go play a-z. Pratt!! I will cull you. LOL:handclap:

PS. You really are boring. Too boring.
I won't be playing your boring game so I consider this thread and YOU(pratt),closed. Hope to see you soon:PDT10

[wsteve55]

Every time a thread is spoiled by childish nonsense, the same person is involved. He seems to have some sort of magic protection the Admin. never do anything but close threads .
Recently I made a post about him and the whole thread was deleted within half an hour.
Anytime the shoutbox has been removed, he has been involved in insulting behaviour on it.
He has harassed women by email and lost us some valuable contributing members who will never return.
He even complained there is no free speech here on another Liverpool forum.
Going on past actions I am sure this post will be removed too.

Well Bernie, let's see what happens when he tries to harass me:D

[ItsaZappathing]

Well Bernie, let's see what happens when he tries to harass me:D

Ha, I was thinking the same thing. Pratt!!

[wsteve55]

Ohh you still here nobby ?
You've been told. Go play a-z. Pratt!! I will cull you. LOL:handclap:

PS. You really are boring. Too boring.
I won't be playing your boring game so I consider this thread and YOU(pratt),closed. Hope to see you soon:PDT10

Heard that before!Heard that before!Heard that before! Heard that before!:D

You can consider what you want,this thread ain't yours to close,that power rests with the site owner!! And dont you worry,It's taking a bit longer than I thought,but we'll definitely be meeting,somehow,someway,some sunny day!:nod: