Shaun Woodward comes to Gordon Brown's defence

[Dale Street Blues]

I've just finished watching BBC News 24 and heard St Helens South MP Shaun Woodward giving a spirited defence of Gordon Brown after James Purnell's resignation. No doubt there will be others like Woodward who come out and say Purnell...

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[Waterways]

A non-issue as Brown is staying and being strong people will get the message.

Why should Brown go?
Why should Labour go when they such a winning team?

I am only interested in facts:

I always find it amazing when I read this sort of stuff. I always think, where were they in the past 12 years? Selective amnesia clearly set in about anything pre-1997. And where were they in the years from 1997 to now.

FACTS.....

The city of Liverpool has changed immeasurably in the past 12 years - but maybe those buildings are all cardboard cutouts.
Maybe the strongest economy in the world for 12 years, was a figment of our imaginations.
Maybe the strongest currency in the world for around 12 years was a figment of our imaginations.
Maybe the super low interest rates were a figment of our imaginations.
Maybe the super low inflation rates were a figment of our imaginations.
Maybe the longest ever economic growth in British history, under Blair/Brown was a figment of our imaginations.
Maybe the boom and bust of the Thatcher/Major years, and absent under Labour were a figment of our imaginations.
Maybe the near zero unemployment was a figment of our imaginations.
Maybe the economy so strong that we could absorb 1 million eastern Europeans was a lie - who were all those Polish fellas then?
Maybe the Brown G20 world-wide rescue plan was a lie - it is now being reported by a number of economists in a few countries, that the recession is now over.
In many respects a worse financial crash than 1929, but no soup lines, so well plugged, and no massive unemployment as was predicated 18 months ago.


Look at the facts that matter to a country at large. The Labour government over the past 12 years has been the best in modern times. They plugged the Credit Crunch too - G20, etc, did anyone read the papers and watch TV?

The history over the past 100 years is enough to give the Tory Party a wide berth and cast to oblivion. In 1918 only 10% of men had the vote. The Lab and Lib enfranchised the working classes and full voting ensued. Then look at it over that past 30 years - disaster. Yet one generation does not learn from the previous and makes the same mistakes.

The Labour party introduced the housing policy for the soldiers coming back from the war, Homes for Heroes. The Liberal government however was a bit backwards, however brought in the national insurance act, employment, education and the first seeds of the NHS, with Labour fully implementing post WW2. People just forget the great achievement from the past. The Conservative Party, well what they have done during the past was clearly disastrous and giving them another chance to do so again? Grow up please. Don't you people learn from history.

The Tories have opposed most social reform, brought in little to none of it themselves, having repealed some of it at times. Most people in the UK are Lab or Lib and of total eligible to votes only about 20% go to the Tories, yet they get in far too regularly and ruin matters

The Tory Party has a naive Eton old school boy shadow cabinet. All old school chums - how cosy for them - all with silly those arrrcents. The sort of thing you see in third world countries. Mainly from the same school and unis and always have been. Only two unis matter to them, as the other 97 are dismissed as not being "the right type", so all the rest are capable of ruling. Trust the economy with them? Are you serious?

World-wide, Liberal/Social Democrats improved the living standards and quality of life of people. In the 1950/60 the country was supposed to be economically contracting, yet living standards for the masses were rising. The poorer, the vast majority of the people, were getting more of the share. The rich were not as rich and said the country was going to the dogs. My Dad didn't give a toss about shedding an empire, all he was concerned about was the standard of living for his family, which was rising because of social justice.

Tory PM, McMillan said in 1958, "you have never had it so good". What tripe!!! The country was full of slum housing with millions without running hot water or inside toilets. I wonder who he was talking about? Many slum dwellers actually believed him as well.

Do not tell yourself lies and believe them. Look at facts.

[Ged]

Ha ha - wicked...

You forgot to read the rest of it..........


Woodward (tipped as a possible contender to be next Home Secretary) was in full damage limitation mode and raised the much used argument of the recession not being a time to change leader (GB lead the G20 so on and on). But the truth is that is a bit of a smokescreen, because the leadership saga is now a real distraction. How much has Gordon Brown really been thinking about the recession in the last few days?

Purnell has just said what most of the cabinet is thinking. But, at least tonight, the Labour party seems to be shooting the messenger. But how things will pan out in the next few days remains to be seen.

Maybe Labour doesn't realise just how badly Gordon Brown is damaged in the eyes of the electorate. Each day that passes he sees more authority ebb away from him. His reshuffle is not in his hands anymore. The reshuffle was supposed to be yet another relaunch of his premiership, now he's in the position of having to rescue what he can and try to survive. Like a Premier League team hovering just inside the relegation zone on the last day of the season and needing other teams to lose, Gordon Brown's fate is no longer in his hands.


Stop telling yourself lies and believing them. If he survives, it's not through any great job done on his part but because the tories have a smarmy get in their ranks as well. They're all as bad as one another.

The facts are, unless you're already a fat cat, you get no richer, you said yourself that like me, we've seen our wealth dwindle with stock and shares having value wiped off the market and it's taken years to build them back up to nearly where they once were. Pffft.

[Waterways]

Stop telling yourself lies and believing them.

What you gave was all opinion.

[captain kong]

Is`nt Shaun Woodward the wealthiest MP out of the whole Criminal bunch of gangsters in Parliament.? Good Socialist being a multi millionaire.
He never lived in a slum, no hot water, no inside toilet just an ash pit at the bottom of the yard. never qued up at the dole office, I have.!!!
Yes Good Socialist these NU- LABOUR con men. From Blair who charged ?266 to the tax payer to shred the evidence of his expences to all the other criminals occupying the Houses of Parliament.
I do not vote Nu-Labour or Conservative or Lib Dem . No difference.
I once voted for Screaming Lord Sutche`s Monster Raving Loonie Party.
WHY???
Because they were the only Party who told the Truth.

[Ged]

What you gave was all opinion.

Was it? Well i'm looking at my bank statement in front of my like now and unless it's a mirage, it looks pretty factual to me.

Just been on the news that the new CEO of the RBS stands to net nearly 10m this year as the leader of a bank that is 70% owned by the tax payer. He is paid an annual salary of 1.2m just to turn up, I could do that.

[Waterways]

Is`nt Shaun Woodward the wealthiest MP out of the whole Criminal bunch of gangsters in Parliament.? Good Socialist being a multi millionaire.
He never lived in a slum, no hot water, no inside toilet just an ash pit at the bottom of the yard. never qued up at the dole office, I have.!!!


I haven't.



Yes Good Socialist these NU- LABOUR con men. From Blair who charged ?266 to the tax payer to shred the evidence of his expences to all the other criminals occupying the Houses of Parliament.


Expenses again...how trivial!



I do not vote Nu-Labour or Conservative or Lib Dem . No difference.
I once voted for Screaming Lord Sutche`s Monster Raving Loonie Party.
WHY???
Because they were the only Party who told the Truth.

I do like them too. I liked their economic policy. Dig tunnel all the way to Switzerland and up into the banks. All sorted.

[Waterways]

Was it? Well i'm looking at my bank statement in front of my like now and unless it's a mirage, it looks pretty factual to me.


Wayward again Ged. You bank account is irrelevant to the topic in focus.



Just been on the news that the new CEO of the RBS stands to net nearly 10m this year as the leader of a bank that is 70% owned by the tax payer. He is paid an annual salary of 1.2m just to turn up, I could do that.

What is the average salary for someone doing that sort of job? If the same, which is about right, then what is the fuss. If the gvmt is to curb salaries then it has to be across the board.

[Howie]

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[Famous Scouser]

Is`nt Shaun Woodward the wealthiest MP out of the whole Criminal bunch of gangsters in Parliament.? Good Socialist being a multi millionaire.
He never lived in a slum, no hot water, no inside toilet just an ash pit at the bottom of the yard. never qued up at the dole office, I have.!!!
Yes Good Socialist these NU- LABOUR con men. From Blair who charged ?266 to the tax payer to shred the evidence of his expences to all the other criminals occupying the Houses of Parliament.
I do not vote Nu-Labour or Conservative or Lib Dem . No difference.
I once voted for Screaming Lord Sutche`s Monster Raving Loonie Party.
WHY???
Because they were the only Party who told the Truth.

Is right! Roll on the General Election, hopefully in the meantime a party will spring up that's worth voting for but i'm not holding my breath.

[Waterways]

Is right! Roll on the General Election, hopefully in the meantime a party will spring up that's worth voting for but i'm not holding my breath.

I am very happy with the current one as their record in dragging the country from the depths and maintaining it is highly impressive - I go on fact, not media frenzy.

Look at this post:
Factual Post (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177274&postcount=2)

I like the Greens because they have Land Value Tax on the agenda.

[A.D.W]

New speaker, same old, same old!

Home flipper John Bercow (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5364847/MPs-expenses-John-Bercow-claims-maximum-allowance-for-540000-flat.html).

[Ged]

Yes, another one who gained 40k from house flipping.

WW is p1ssing in the wind trying to convince us these are really a nice little bunch of folk. He still hasn't replied to me that he'd like to pay my council tax yet he'll pay for mortgages that don't exist or houses 100 miles away from Westminster or constituancies - strange bloke!!!

[Waterways]

Yes, another one who gained 40k from house flipping.

WW is p1ssing in the wind trying to convince us these are really a nice little bunch of folk. He still hasn't replied to me that he'd like to pay my council tax yet he'll pay for mortgages that don't exist or houses 100 miles away from Westminster or constituancies - strange bloke!!!

The MPs who commit fraud should be done. Simple. Still a minor issue though and why people keep carping on about it.....

I am telling you the current govmt has a great track record in delivering and should be kept - they even put together the world rescue plan at the G20. We can't afford to give the economics of the country to the other old school boys lot - all from one school, like they have in third world countries. And the sycophants will vote for them. Depressing isn't it?

[captain kong]

"other old school boys lot - all from one school"

Didnt Blair, Brown , Darling, `Lord`Falkander[sik] and many others in the Cabinet including the women go to the same University????
They all came from wealthy families,
SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. they are all liars , cheats and Con men and women, so why is Waterways trying to tell us somehow the NU-LABOUR lot are any different than the Conservatives, There is NO difference.
I remember the last time Labour was in, three day week , no electicity, the dead stacked up in mortuarys un buried, garbage stacked up in the streets, the economy in complete chaos, it is all heading that way again. so dont Kid yourself Waterways, there is no difference in the parties apart from an unelected Prime Minister and an unelected `Lord` Mandelson who tells Brown when to jump and how high, This is DEMOCRACY????? WHEN THEY BOMB OTHER COUNTRIES [ Iraq and Afghanistan ] AND KILL THEIR CITIZENS AND SAY WE ARE BRINGING YOU DEMOCRACY. And a few hundred of our men and women dying as well for their cause.
I am still waiting for Phony Bliar to be charged.

[Ged]

I suppose a corrupt labour are marginally better than a corrupt tory alternative as at least you'd like to think they will meet your aspirations somewhere along the line but I also wonder why some of Maggies policies weren't overturned when Labour got in? Like the crushing of the unions for instance, after all, they pay Labour.

[Spike]

http://usera.imagecave.com/markyannone2/LightRail/Guillotine.jpg

Bravo :handclap:

[captain kong]

AFTER HAVING ALL FOUR HOOVES AND SNOUTS IN THE TROUGH, THEY HAVE JUST VOTED THEMSELVES A ?10,000 PAY RISE AND INCREASE IN THEIR PENSIONS.
WHAT NICE PEOPLE, I MUST VOTE FOR THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN.

EXCUSE ME, I MUST GO AND VOMIT.

[Spike]

Poor things. How do they cope :disgust:

[Waterways]

"other old school boys lot - all from one school"

Didnt Blair, Brown , Darling, `Lord`Falkander[sik] and many others in the Cabinet including the women go to the same University????
They all came from wealthy families,
SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.


A big one.Those want to change the system, irrespective of what uni they went to. The Tories do not.



they are all liars , cheats and Con men and women,


Do they eat children as well?



so why is Waterways trying to tell us somehow the NU-LABOUR lot are any different than the Conservatives,


Because there is a large difference.



I remember the last time Labour was in, three day week , no electicity,


That was the Tories with Ted Heath. Pat attention at the back!



the dead stacked up in mortuarys un buried, garbage stacked up in the streets, the economy in complete chaos,


This is a case of typical media indoctrination. The economy was sound Thatcher screwed it up. Read some of my posts.



it is all heading that way again.


You made that up.



WHEN THEY BOMB OTHER COUNTRIES [ Iraq and Afghanistan ] AND KILL THEIR CITIZENS AND SAY WE ARE BRINGING YOU DEMOCRACY. And a few hundred of our men and women dying as well for their cause.
I am still waiting for Phony Bliar to be charged.

You really do not know. That is sad.

[Waterways]

AFTER HAVING ALL FOUR HOOVES AND SNOUTS IN THE TROUGH, THEY HAVE JUST VOTED THEMSELVES A ?10,000 PAY RISE AND INCREASE IN THEIR PENSIONS.


They get paid a lot less than MPs in Germany, France and half as much as Italy.

[captain kong]

Your writings show that you are very juvenile and immature and show a lack of experience of life. I will come back to this when you have a little more maturity and I can talk to someone who is a man of experience.
Sayonara.

[Waterways]

Your writings show that you are very juvenile and immature and show a lack of experience of life.

Yours show clear senility backed by lack of knowledge of how the UK is run, who owns most of it and basic facts. A sycophantic tendency does not help either. That is sad. That means you are easily led.

Look at this post:
Look at this Post - click here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177274&postcount=2)

[captain kong]

NOW NOW, WW, who is showing a little senility now, have you FORGOTTEN that you have posted that before? THREE TIMES.! Go on do it again so we can all have a bloody good laugh.

I think everyone should ignore your mail, it is the same old rhetoric, maybe one day you will get wise to yourself.
Sayonara.

[Famous Scouser]

Your wasting your time Kong. He's always telling somebody off about something or trying to browbeat us with his politics. Same old crap from him. Take no notice.

[Spike]

Reminds me of someone.

[Ged]

They get paid a lot less than MPs in Germany, France and half as much as Italy.

Which is still too much.

Our pensioners also get paid less etc - so snap.

[Ged]

NOW NOW, WW, who is showing a little senility now, have you FORGOTTEN that you have posted that before? THREE TIMES.! Go on do it again so we can all have a bloody good laugh.

I think everyone should ignore your mail, it is the same old rhetoric, maybe one day you will get wise to yourself.
Sayonara.


He's just been banned from Skyscraper City and the concensus on there too in his aftermath is that he has a OCD regarding multiple postings and although sensible on some things is underwhelming in his knowledge of others.

[Bernie]

Waterways, please behave or you will have to pick up your toys and go home. Please stop winding up your clockwork mice, they are driving the cat nuts.

[Waterways]

I think everyone should ignore your mail, it is the same old rhetoric,

No. I am sticking fact.

[Waterways]

He's just been banned from Skyscraper City and the concensus on there too in his aftermath is that he has a OCD regarding multiple postings and although sensible on some things is underwhelming in his knowledge of others.

Skyscrapercity is full nutters who gorp at tall lumps of concrete. The hate the World Heritage Site. They all wanted tall glass buildings on the World Heritage Site.