Princes Dock Area

[Kev]

LUXURY flats developer City Lofts is to build a second apartments block on the Liverpool waterfront.

The London-based property company is currently building a 162-apartments block, worth £38m, on Princes Dock.

The council has now given planning permission for a second 121 one and two-bedroom apartment development on the adjacent Princes Half Tide plot.

Building work will start on the nine-storey project later this year and City Lofts development director Tony Brooks said: "The transformation of brownfield sites alongside Liverpool's waterfront will benefit the whole city.

"We are proud to play our part in the transformation of this prime location into a desirable residential address."

The land belongs to Princes Dock Development Company, part of Mersey Docks and Harbour Company which was bought last year by the Peel Group, owner of John Lennon airport.

[Kev]

DEVELOPER City Lofts yesterday won planning permission for a £24m nine-storey residential development at Liverpool's Princes Dock.

The news comes as it is revealed that full construction work on another residential scheme at the dock - a 26-storey tower - will begin next month.

Work on the foundations of Alexandra Tower has already been carried out but now the main contractor, Laing O'Rourke, will begin building the Millennium Estates scheme on March 6.

The glass tower will rise 288ft, offering views of the River Mersey and the city's Pier Head. The building will house 201 one, two and three-bedroom apartments.

Construction on the latest City Lofts development, a nine-storey structure comprising 121 apartments, will start later this year. It is the firm's second project at the site. The latest scheme, for which a high level of interest is also anticipated, will see City Lofts build on a site overlooking the waters of Princes Half Tide Dock. Like the first scheme, the apartments will be designed by internationally recognised architectural and design practice, Conran & Partners.

The firm's development director, Tony Brooks, said: "The transformation of brownfield sites alongside Liverpool's waterfront will benefit the whole city. We are proud to play our part in the transformation of this prime location into a desirable residential address."

[Kev]

Floors: 27 above ground 2 below
Height: 88m 288ft

Here's a render:

http://www.ajplus.co.uk/Images/Articles/AJ240205Alex-Tower4.jpg

And now.....

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexmay001.jpg

[Paul D]

A stunning tower Kev,this will do wonders for our skyline.:celb (23):

[Kev]

A stunning tower Kev,this will do wonders for our skyline.:celb (23):

'Tiss a very nice tower indeed :PDT_Piratz_26:

[Kev]

Some pics from around the area:

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6503/15hp1.jpg

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2689/23hn2.jpg

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3503/30ql2.jpg

[Max]

MORE TOWA= MORE POWA!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Kev]

A STRETCH of Liverpool's historic dock wall is to be breached for the first time since it was built 200 years ago by French prisoners during the Napoleonic War.

The city's planning committee has agreed to allow the Princes Dock Development Company permission to remove a 20ft stretch of the brick wall fronting Bath Street.

The aim is to create a new pedestrian access point to Princes Dock and the waterfront. Detailed talks had to take place with the government conservation agency, English Heritage, because the wall is part of the Unesco World Heritage Site.

Committee chairman Cllr Lady Doreen Jones did not take part in the decision making, but she launched a fierce attack on the proposal, saying the wall should remain intact.

She told the committee: "When we gave permission, against my better judgment, for the 40-storey Beetham West tower, I warned that a plan would emerge to knock a hole in the dock wall to give easier access to the new multi-storey car park at Princes Dock.

"The tower will only have 19 parking spaces, which is insufficient. I also predicted that a plan would come forward to completely block off Bath Street to road traffic, and I am sure that will come next.

"I warned about the hole in the wall and I was correct. I am usually right on these things. Several years ago I had a meeting with the council planning manager and I was told the wall could not be touched because it is part of our heritage. For some reason, English Heritage are now allowing this to happen, and I am surprised at them. If we keeping chopping down parts of the wall, we might as well tear it down completely and forget all about our heritage.

"I know the dock wall is like a prison wall and some may think it is not very attractive, but it is part of our maritime history. The principles should be consistent - we should protect our heritage or not bother at all."

The committee's deputy chairman, Cllr Dave Irving, said: "I take on board the comments of Lady Doreen when she says the wall is part of our heritage. But the whole area is changing in character and I feel we should try to open up the area for the people of Liverpool. This scheme will open up the waterfront to the public."

Planning officer Barbara Kirk-bride said the council planning department believed the opening of the dock wall was an acceptable intervention. "The scheme has been planned sympathetically and English Heritage has raised no objection."

Liverpool architects KKA have devised a scheme that will see modern gateposts at either end of the opening to create a new link to the docks for people in Old Hall Street and Brook Street.

Ian Pollitt, chief executive of Princes Dock Development Company, now part of Peel Holdings, said: "We have designed the scheme in a way that fully respects the important heritage of the wall."

larryneild@dailypost.co.uk

[Waterways]

A STRETCH of Liverpool's historic dock wall is to be breached for the first time since it was built 200 years ago by French prisoners during the Napoleonic War.

"I know the dock wall is like a prison wall and some may think it is not very attractive, but it is part of our maritime history. The principles should be consistent - we should protect our heritage or not bother at all."


Then why didn't she kick up over the Kings Dock Project, which is built on in-filled Kings Dock, parts of Queens Dock and Dukes Dock. They are far more important to our history and heritage, than a 20 foot hole in the wall.

Is she going to get Herculaneum, Harington, Toxteth, West Waterloo and Clarence Docks excavated? I hear nothing from her about these historic in-filled docks. Excavating is pretty easy to do with these docks to re-instate them.

[wallasey]

Great new development! It seems that the Princes Dock is the place to live at the moment! It is certainly popular!

[Kev]

Malmaison Liverpool (http://www.malmaison-liverpool.com/main.asp)

Being honest can you tell which is the Boutique Hotel and which is the car park?

http://static.flickr.com/44/184915533_9fe332f29c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/184915533/)

There's been planning permission submitted for another tower structure within Princess Dock, Plot 3A. (The middle tower) Looks very interesting.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/4582/plot3a1gq4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
Courtesy of Doug Roberts

[Paul D]

Fingers crossed for this one it will fill a gap in our skyline perfectly.:celb (23):

[wallasey]

Looks brilliant! Will look even better when viewed from the Egremont Ferry Pub with Everton Ridge rising above it!

[Kev]

The evolution of the Liverpool waterfront into one of the most impressive skylines in the United Kingdom, if not Europe, looks set to continue apace with plans for yet another couple of towers around Princes Dock.

Located at Plot 3a, architects RMJM plan a 36 floor mixed use tower consisting of 183 new apartments and a 135 bedroom hotel. The 112.50 metre tall building has been designed for the Mersey Property Company to stand on a strategically important site marking the edge of the dock area leading towards the likes of the Beetham Towers a little further inland.

The architect had a series of six options for the site ranging from a couple of blocks of about 10 floors to taller towers. Opting for this one, the project is conceived as "a series of shifted planes that express its verticality". This is carried on with façade overruns going past the roof level creating outer glass faces that make the tower look even more slender than it is whilst providing a softer termination of the top with the sky.

The high-rise element is attached with a lower-rise block with a grand entrance separating the two creating a visual border between them.

Residential development in Liverpool doesn't hang around and this area is already something of a boom town. The City Lofts Tower that will stand almost next door is being fitted out whilst Beetham are building a second tower and the nearby Alexandra Tower is also under construction.

Interestingly, the planning application for this development shows a master-planned image of various developments for the docks including a second tower next to Alexandra Tower of a similar height to the one being built there now. Whether these plans are still on remains to be seen as it also shows the now defunct designs for New World Square.

The scale of the development at 3a, and in particular the slim-line bravado on display by RMJM shows that the Princes Dock may just be rebuilt as majestic as it's name suggests.

Source (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=682)....

[Kev]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41978000/jpg/_41978666_princess_dock203.jpg (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41978000/jpg/_41978666_princess_dock203.jpg)

Developers are planning to build a 36-storey apartment block and hotel on Liverpool's Princes Dock.

The centrepiece of the plan is a 135-bedroom hotel near a semi-enclosed square, housing cafes and public areas with views over the dock basin.

The Mersey Property Company has worked with Liverpool City Council and a number of other agencies to put together the design.

It says it will be "a development of genuine landmark quality".

A spokesman for the Mersey Property Company said: "We are conscious of the heritage that surrounds the site and have been committed to extensive and thorough consultation with all the main parties who, like us, have Liverpool's best interests at heart.

"We aim to deliver an iconic, high quality development for the city's Capital of Culture which will add to the vibrancy already being created."

The project has been designed by London-based architects, RMJM, who were behind the planning of Leith Docks in Edinburgh.

Roger Whiteman of RMJM said the buildings had been carefully planned to make the most of the views to Liverpool landmarks, such as the Liver Building.

Other agencies involved in the plans are Liverpool Vision and the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment (CABE).

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/5256496.stm)....

[Paul D]

I'm loving this it's a decent size and it's perfect for that location.:celb (23):

[Max]

Yeah baby!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[richie1878]

Really hoping this one flys through the planning stage, it's a must for the area. The people in charge of making the decision would have to be blind to refuse, but then we are talking about Liverpool.

No, I am not going to be pessimistic on this one, thinko positivo and all that bollocks.:celb (6): :celb (23):

[Max]

If I was in charge of Liverpool those buildings would be taller.

[Kev]

LIVERPOOL'S own mini-Manhattan could be on the rise if the latest city skyscraper gets the green light.

Plans have been put forward by the Mersey Property Company fora 377ft-tall tower at Princes Dock as part of an £80m scheme.

It includes the 36-storey tower housing a luxury 135-room hotel and 183 apart-ments.

Offices, a 330 space car park and a semi-enclosed plaza are also planned.

The scheme could be part of a cluster of high-rise offices and apartments, including Beetham Tower in Old Hall Street, West Tower (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=930), under construction on neighbouring Brook Street, and the City Lofts (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1180) and Alexandra apartment towers in Princes Dock.

Property firm Knight Frank's Liverpool office is steering the development through the planning stage.

Head of planning, Andy Frost, said: "This is an extremely exciting development forthe city. It will send out a very positive signal about the city centre as a place to live, work and visit - underlining its economic and cultural importance in 2008 and beyond.

"The combination of its height and stunning design will create a development of genuine landmarkquality. It will lend kudos to Princes Dock and reinforce the growing identity of the city centre's commercial quarter."

Mersey Property Company is a partnership of Stoke-based developer Trine Ltd and the Worcester Property Company.

It has worked closelywith planners and regeneration and architecture experts at Liverpool council, Liverpool Vision, English Heritage and CABE (Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment) in abid to get planning permission by this October and start work immediately after.

A spokesman for Mersey Property Company said: "We are conscious of the heritage that surrounds the site. We aim to deliver an iconic, high quality development for the city's Capital of Culture."

The development has been designed by the London office of award-winning architects RMJM, renowned for its work on Leith Docks in Edinburgh, the Beijing Olympic Green convention centreand the 80-storey Dubai Tower in Qatar.

neilhodgson@liverpoolecho.co.uk

[Max]

Why is it called Beetham west when it's more east?

[Paul D]

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7149/princesdock3alj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here's a clearer picture of the Princes Dock tower that you may want for the development summary,I think it looks brilliant and it seems to be getting a lot of positive comments so far so fingers crossed.

[Kev]

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7149/princesdock3alj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here's a better picture of the Princes Dock tower that you may want for the development summary,I think it looks brilliant and it seems to be getting a lot of positive comments so far so fingers crossed.

It does look nice, as for the development summary, which others should be incuded?

[Paul D]

It does look nice, as for the development summary, which others should be incuded?

We had a very good picture of the tower at Queens Dock that should definitely be on it,I'll keep my eye out for some others.

[kenotoole123@msn.com]

Hi,I took these Photos a few weeks ago and thought you may be interested.I was 'Apprehended' by a Security Man....said I shouldn't be taking Photos of a Government Building (Child Support Thingy!!!)....I Said that was the only Building I hadn't photographed....Right !!! be on your way then.....Yes Sir !!!

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/tokman/LPoolMay2006006.jpg

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http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/tokman/LPoolMay2006004.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/tokman/LPoolMay2006003.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/tokman/LPoolMay2006002.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l274/tokman/LPoolMay2006001.jpg

[Max]

Hi,I took these Photos a few weeks ago and thought you may be interested.I was 'Apprehended' by a Security Man....said I shouldn't be taking Photos of a Government Building (Child Support Thingy!!!)....I Said that was the only Building I hadn't photographed....Right !!! be on your way then.....Yes Sir !!!


What would of been wrong with taking a picture of the government building?

[Paul D]

Welcome to the forum and great photos.:)

[lindylou]

Great pictures. :)

[lindylou]

Here's one I took in July.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rubinda/misc/tn_037a.jpg

[Paul D]

Another beautiful picture well done.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Bunnyman]

What would of been wrong with taking a picture of the government building?

It's stupid isn't it? I wonder if there's an identical jobsworth outside the Palace of Westminster chasing away all those Japanese and American tourists? :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

[lindylou]

yeah, surely they wouldn't chase away tourists ??

[Kev]

@kenotoole123@msn.com - welcome to the forum and thanks for the great pics :PDT_Piratz_26:

[kenotoole123@msn.com]

Many Thanks,Glad you all liked them....I was 'Told-Off' by my Son for not reducing them in 'Photo-Shop'....Quick Smack around the 'Ear-Hole' showed him who was Boss !!!...Great finding your Site...Very Informative & Interesting...Cheers for Now...Ken.

[Kev]

Many Thanks,Glad you all liked them....I was 'Told-Off' by my Son for not reducing them in 'Photo-Shop'....Quick Smack around the 'Ear-Hole' showed him who was Boss !!!...Great finding your Site...Very Informative & Interesting...Cheers for Now...Ken.

Thanks Ken :celb (23):Need to keep those kids in check every now and again lol

[A.D.Williams]

Many Thanks,Glad you all liked them....I was 'Told-Off' by my Son for not reducing them in 'Photo-Shop'....Quick Smack around the 'Ear-Hole' showed him who was Boss !!!...Great finding your Site...Very Informative & Interesting...Cheers for Now...Ken.

Personally I find it best not to reduce the size too much. It makes for a better picture. Vey fine photos you took, Ken.

:snf (41):

[Max]

Speaking of not being able to take pics of certain places. A policeman told me it's against regulations to take any of the tunnel.

Strange though as on Thursday, I took some of the tunnel and police never came up to me then.

Ah well he thought it was a stupid regulation.

[Max]

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/stgeorges/william/queens.html

I did the same one as this accept at night so did you get told about this Dave?

[Kev]

Alexandra Tower - 31st August 2006

http://static.flickr.com/84/230169074_0941b62181.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/230169074/)

http://static.flickr.com/94/230168783_2850027cb0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/230168783/)

City Lofts Two Towers - 31st August 2006

http://static.flickr.com/92/230169014_76f4daf287.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/230169014/)

http://static.flickr.com/92/230168951_a4a3421a18.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/230168951/)

http://static.flickr.com/62/230168849_1e455113ca.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/230168849/)

[Howie]

Waterfront tower 'joyless and weak'
Sep 19 2006
Exclusive By Kate Mansey Daily Post Staff

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/aug2006/8/8/F3303022-EEB7-A3B1-7996E3432FBE8983.jpg

PLANS for Liverpool's tallest waterfront tower appeared in tatters last night after a government review condemned them as "joyless" and "weak".

Designs for Princes Dock outline an £80m, 36-storey glass-fronted building, near to the World Heritage Site, housing a large hotel and more than 180 apartments. But the body which advises the Government on architecture and design has found little to be impressed with in the proposals for the land, north of the Crowne Plaza hotel.

The Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment (CABE) has raised concerns about the tower's proximity to Liverpool's historic dock wall, warned of its weak architectural base, and criticised the size of the 330-space car park, when the development would only include 183 flats and 135 hotel rooms.

And last night English Heritage suggested the tower should be split into two smaller buildings. The CABE review said: "We find little to admire in the architectural form of the scheme, which appears to us to be joyless.

More (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17777927%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=waterfront%2dtower%2d%2djoyless%2dand%2 dweak%2d-name_page.html)...

[Harry]

What the hell does joyless and weak mean?
Can anyone name a building that brings to mind joy?
This can't be knocked back just because its next to a minging 12 foot, ugly brick wall wrongly described in this article as "historic".
These people don't understand the meaning of the word.
It seems that the only thing to come from the phoney World Heritage status is the excuse for every backwards lunatic group to try and restrict Liverpool's regeneration by any means necessary.
Well its got to stop.
Where were they when the Beetham tower was built in Manc?
Why are our politicians not telling these outsiders to mind their own business?
I feel like knocking the dock wall down with a JCB to put a stop to this cr*p.
Rant over (for now!).

[Bunnyman]

I had to laugh at English Heretics remarks that the tower could be split into two smaller buildings. Opportunistic *******s. They're the sole reason that WHS should be kicked into touch. You only need look at the site next door to view a compromised graceless stump designed to be 'in keeping' with the area. Bunch of vultures.

If this is considered joyless and weak, then what the hell is Beetham in Manc?

[Waterways]

I had to laugh at English Heretics remarks that the tower could be split into two smaller buildings. Opportunistic *******s. They're the sole reason that WHS should be kicked into touch. You only need look at the site next door to view a compromised graceless stump designed to be 'in keeping' with the area. Bunch of vultures.

If this is considered joyless and weak, then what the hell is Beetham in Manc?

I think they want everything to be in basements and nothing above ground.

Beetham Manc is not an attractive building at all.

[Waterways]

What the hell does joyless and weak mean?
Can anyone name a building that brings to mind joy?
This can't be knocked back just because its next to a minging 12 foot, ugly brick wall wrongly described in this article as "historic".
These people don't understand the meaning of the word.
It seems that the only thing to come from the phoney World Heritage status is the excuse for every backwards lunatic group to try and restrict Liverpool's regeneration by any means necessary.
Well its got to stop.
Where were they when the Beetham tower was built in Manc?


Beetham Manc is not in a World Heritage Zone. And they have a point about the multi-floor car park. One shoul not be allowed on any WHS or a buffer zone.

Where are they now there is a proposal to fill in West Waterloo Dock? I don't hear them shouting from the rooftops.

[Paul D]

When English Heritage and CABE get together to condemn a tower it's usually it's death knell in its present form,the best case senario is they'll come back with a better design and the worst is English Heritage will get their way like they did at Central Village and we will end up with 2 smaller towers that do little for the skyline,my money's on the latter.:disgust:

[Sloyne]

And last night English Heritage suggested the tower should be split into two smaller buildings.Of course they would unless of course it was in Manchester, then it would be suggested they add a few more storeys to the height. English Heritage in Englands North West is Manchester based and Mancunians predominate in that organization. Funny, don't you think, that English Heritage had little problem giving the thumbs up to the abominations of the Crowne Plaza Hotel and the student accomodation on Skelhorne Street? Both of these developments wouldn't be out of place in a Russian Soviet era development.

Imagine what Liverpool would have looked like today if there had been a Manchester based English Heritage at the time William Brown Street, St. Georges Hall, Pier Head and the Anglican Cathedral had been proposed.

[Bunnyman]

Also, John, it's not the height of the car park they have issue with, it's the number of spaces! Pathetic!

[Harry]

Waterways, you seem to know a lot about the dock area.
I think they're wrong when they describe this section by princess dock as being built by French Napoleonic War prisoners.
I think they've mixed it up with the white stone wall further down the dock road that looks like crazy paving, very intricate.
This part is just red brick, ugly and like a Berlin Wall on Liverpool's business district.
Can you clear this up?

[Waterways]

Waterways, you seem to know a lot about the dock area.
I think they're wrong when they describe this section by princess dock as being built by French Napoleonic War prisoners.
I think they've mixed it up with the white stone wall further down the dock road that looks like crazy paving, very intricate.
This part is just red brick, ugly and like a Berlin Wall on Liverpool's business district.
Can you clear this up?

You are right. It is not that attractive while the white stone further up is. The French also built the walls around Wapping Docks too, if my memory is correct - lots of this was demolished.

[Waterways]

Also, John, it's not the height of the car park they have issue with, it's the number of spaces! Pathetic!

The spaces appear excessive. the volume alone will make a car park big building. I can't see the need for car parks, unless they dig down which mean it will be wet.

[kenotoole123@msn.com]

It seems strange but all this 'Hooh-Haa'...should have arisen 5 or 6 Weeks ago as the 'CABE' Report on this building was issued 2nd.August 2006.....See Here...http://www.cabe.org.uk/default.aspx?contentitemid=1456&refid=0&sl=:ninja:

[Harry]

Reading CABE's synopsis of this proposal, it does seem that their main reason for not liking it is, indeed, the dock wall.
They say that it is not part of a tall buildings cluster because it is seperated from the others by the wall-my reason exactly for wanting it bulldozed.
I don't think this part is listed, in fact I'm going to check.
This madness of keeping us back to the benefit of Manchester has got to be stopped.

[scouserdave]

Taken from the top of Laing O'Rourke's site office yesterday
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexaug.jpg

[Kev]

Nice pic :)

[scouserdave]

Taken yesterday:disgust:
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.com/princessept001.jpg

[FKoE]

:D

[Waterways]

Reading CABE's synopsis of this proposal, it does seem that their main reason for not liking it is, indeed, the dock wall.
They say that it is not part of a tall buildings cluster because it is seperated from the others by the wall-my reason exactly for wanting it bulldozed.
I don't think this part is listed, in fact I'm going to check.
This madness of keeping us back to the benefit of Manchester has got to be stopped.

The Dock wall is potected at this point. Developments can go around it. The odd hole in it here and there will not be so much of a problem.

Forget Manchester, concentrate on Liverpool and the Wirral.

[Harry]

Most of the people involved in CABE and English Heritage who are sabotaging almost every major scheme in Liverpool with their pathetic, petty sniping are based in Manchester.
This fact can't be ignored. Its time for everyone to take their head out of the sand on this. we are losing massive investment to that city's benefit thanks to a very small group of people with dodgy agendas.
I'm certain the vast majority of Liverpool people want all of these projects to go ahead but the embarrassing list of schemes that are collapsing due to interferening busybodies grows longer by the week.
Why are the majority who want to drag the city forward constantly ignored by our planners who only seem to listen to the backwards brigade?

[Gazzab]

Most of the people involved in CABE and English Heritage who are sabotaging almost every major scheme in Liverpool with their pathetic, petty sniping are based in Manchester.
This fact can't be ignored. Its time for everyone to take their head out of the sand on this. we are losing massive investment to that city's benefit thanks to a very small group of people with dodgy agendas.
I'm certain the vast majority of Liverpool people want all of these projects to go ahead but the embarrassing list of schemes that are collapsing due to interferening busybodies grows longer by the week.
Why are the majority who want to drag the city forward constantly ignored by our planners who only seem to listen to the backwards brigade?

Well said Harry :celb (6):

[Waterways]

Reading CABE's synopsis of this proposal, it does seem that their main reason for not liking it is, indeed, the dock wall.
They say that it is not part of a tall buildings cluster because it is seperated from the others by the wall-my reason exactly for wanting it bulldozed.
I don't think this part is listed, in fact I'm going to check.
This madness of keeping us back to the benefit of Manchester has got to be stopped.

The dock wall at Princes Dock was the first Dock wall dating from 1821. For over 100 years the docks were open to the public and they could walk the quays - like at parts of Birkenhead. This meant there could be theft from the warehouses on the quays, of which there was plenty. The warehouses were privately owned. The Dock wall offered a sealed secutre dock estate. Eventualy the dock warehouse became owned by the MDHB with most being transit sheds and all Liverpool docks had policed exits and entrances.

[Paul D]

Riverside flats in great demand


MORE than £1m worth of flats

have been sold in a month for Liverpool's latest riverside apartments block.

Construction on the 27-storey Alexandra Tower is set to be complete by

May 2008.

But sales have been going strong and property expert Knight Frank's Liverpool office said demand for homes at the 201-apartment development

on Princes Dock shows the strength of the market for waterfront

living.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=riverside-flats-in-great-demand%26method=full%26objectid=17926

451%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

[Kev]

Great news Paul

[scouserdave]

A few shots taken yesterday from Alexandra

Tower.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006001.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006002.jpg


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http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006003.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006004.jpg

[Kev]

Nice snaps

SD, cheers :PDT_Aliboronz_24: .

[scouserdave]

Nice snaps SD, cheers :PDT_Aliboronz_24: .
All the thanks should go to my Canny Farm

mate who got me up there. BTW if anyone is in the slightest bit related to Canny Farm, get down to the Sandon Pub on Saturday. There's a big get together in

the back room which is basically owned by them. I've made my excuses. **** that! They've been known to disappear for a couple of weeks after a meet up.

Living daaaarn Sarf! has softened me.

[snappel]

Excellent photos Dave - I

especially like the last one, quite a unique view, that. The north docks seem to look so different from up there!

[A.D.Williams]

Splendid pictures, Dave. I have

pictures of that dock to put up, but just haven't had the time.

:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

[scouserdave]

Splendid pictures, Dave. I have pictures of that dock to put up,

but just haven't had the time.

:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:
Thanks Dave, looking forward to them. When did you get up there? Lying Canny Farm tw*t

told me I was the first photographerbore up there. Ditto Baltic Triangle. I'll have to have a word with him next week:unibrow:

[A.D.Williams]

Oh sorry, Dave! I keep my feet firmly on t'ground. So you

are the first up that tower.

:)

[Paul D]

Loving the views those lucky sods are going to have,fantastic set of pictures Dave.:celb (23):

[Kev]

13th Nov 2006

City Lofts:

http://static.flickr.com/109/296455922_810a523abd.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/296455922/)

Alexandra Tower:

http://static.flickr.com/100/296456052_e46bae6b64.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/296456052/)

What's this?

http://static.flickr.com/115/296456101_447a29b372.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/296456101/)

[Waterways]

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006003.jpg


Why don't we ever see imaginative architecture around the docks? Look at this. Imagine two block on opposite quays. About 6 floors up then join them across the dock. The block need to look the same, neither the interconnecting part. Then have visiting ships berth in the dock.

To easy isn't it.

[scouserdave]

A few more shots from the Alexandra Development

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006007.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006005.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006006.jpg

[The Teardrop Explodes]

Why don't we ever see imaginative architecture around the docks? Look at this. Image two block on opposite quays. About 6 floors up then join them across the dock. The block need to look the same, neither the interconnecting part. Then have visiting ships berth in the dock.

To easy isn't it.

The original spec NWS was original didn't you think?

Just had my head in a new town-planning book showcasing the evolving port cities of the world. It's quite inspiring. I'll get the title of it for you. We get a footnote.

[snappel]

You get a good view of the old railway lines that went to Riverside Station in this one...

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006003.jpg

Kev, I think there was once a travelling crane there on the end of the landing stage, and that hut was probably to do with it, or with other equipment on the landing stage.

I've posted these before in the exploration section, but they're interesting nonetheless... this is the old tunnel that lead from the Prince's Half Tide dockside into the landing stage lower level, I assume for maintenance/loading? The tunnel has since been backfilled and the tower block built on top of it.

http://www.level-two.co.uk/reports/images/princesdock/2005_0123Liverpool40006.jpg

http://www.level-two.co.uk/reports/images/princesdock/2005_0123Liverpool40008.jpg

http://www.level-two.co.uk/reports/images/princesdock/2005_0123Liverpool40007.jpg

Needless to say, I didn't try walking out across the boards!!

[scouserdave]

Great pics Snappel. I think it's a gatekeeper's hut.
Here's a shot from above.
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006008.jpg

[snappel]

That's excellent - I can see it properly now! Yes, you're probably right... I wonder what will happen to that lot...

[Louis]

it should be rejuvinated into a boardwalk

[scouserdave]

I forgot this pic was on my site. It's from that excellent set by Brian Saville (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/brian/index.html). You can see the hut at the top of the pic.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/brian/images/landingstage001.jpg

[Waterways]

I forgot this pic was on my site. It's from that excellent set by Brian Saville (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/brian/index.html). You can see the hut at the top of the pic.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/brian/images/landingstage001.jpg

Oh! A man in a gas man's mack! The landing stage moved uop and down besides this structure. I always assumed this was to stop the stage from breaking away in storms. How did they get to the stage without waiting for the right time of the tide?

[snappel]

There appears to be ramps inside the landing stage, probably also connecting to the intermediate level I photographed...

[Kev]

You get a good view of the old railway lines that went to Riverside Station in this one...

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006003.jpg



Riverside:

[AK1]

Does anyone know how RMJM's planning application for plot 3a is getting on. I know that CABE ****ged it off, but I have heard nothing since! They hoped to have it approved by october, but it was delayed because of CABES' recommendations.

[kenotoole123@msn.com]

Hi AK1, I had a look here http://www.rmjm.com/....The Architects...but they had the same info....Maybe the 'Mersey Property Co Ltd.' could tell you more?.....Cheers..Ken.

[Kev]

Hi AK1, I had a look here http://www.rmjm.com/....The Architects...but they had the same info....Maybe the 'Mersey Property Co Ltd.' could tell you more?.....Cheers..Ken.

Check the link.......

[Kev]

25th November 2006

http://static.flickr.com/113/305950477_f02dd10463.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/305950477/)

[scouserdave]

Here's one at dusk, taken a couple of days ago with the Mersey Mammoth (http://www.merseymammoth.com/) in the foreground

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/prinnov2006.jpg

[Paul D]

Top pictures lads I'm lovin' our emerging cluster.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[AK1]

Any news on plot 3a yet?

[scouserdave]

A decision should be coming out shortly. All the consultation stuff has been completed.

[AK1]

A decision should be coming out shortly. All the consultation stuff has been completed.

Thanks!!!

[scouserdave]

Taken yesterday p.m.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/prinnov3_001.jpg

[Kev]

.....nice pic Dave

[Waterways]

Taken yesterday p.m.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/prinnov3_001.jpg

Yep, that water space in the foreground Peel and British Waterways wanted filled in. Philistines the lot of them.
.

[MissInformed]

I work in Princes Dock, and there has been quite a bit of activity this week.
There has been a strange looking raft type thing with 4 columns at each corner, it is now stationed in front of the CRB.

[Waterways]

I work in Princes Dock, and there has been quite a bit of activity this week.
There has been a strange looking raft type thing with 4 columns at each corner, it is now stationed in front of the CRB.

Compactor? Raises up and drops flattening earth before filling to duck pond depths?

[MissInformed]

hmmm maybe!
i took some pics on my phone, but i dont have bluetooth, so i shall have to try and get em on here later.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

what's that building under construction on the far right of the frame?

[AK1]

what's that building under construction on the far right of the frame?

Alexandra tower.

[scouserdave]

hmmm maybe!
i took some pics on my phone, but i dont have bluetooth, so i shall have to try and get em on here later.
Do you mean the ship on the river? I saw it last night when I drove past. Wished I took a shot of it now!:disgust:

[MissInformed]

hi dave
i dont think it is a ship.
it is more like a platform...although it has moved along the river!

[Waterways]

hi dave
i dont think it is a ship.
it is more like a platform...although it has moved along the river!

Is this in the river or in the dock?

[MissInformed]

Sorry they are the worst pics ever!
but they were taken on my crappy phone!

[scouserdave]

Sorry they are the worst pics ever!
but they were taken on my crappy phone!
That's the one! Thanks:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Kev]

Sorry they are the worst pics ever!
but they were taken on my crappy phone!

Thanks Missy I :PDT_Piratz_26:

[marky]

Maybe a drilling rig...there's been one around test drilling for a couple of years around that area. I don't know how these are transported on water. See if it looks anything like this:

[Kev]

Thanks Marky :037::PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Paul D]

Here's a render of plot 3a with the Beethams in the background,go to portfolio and then mixed use.It looks brilliant but CABE critisised it and EH said maybe it should be split into two smaller towers what's up with these people it's fantastic?

http://www.rmjm.com/launcher.html

[scouserdave]

Alexandra Tower last week.
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov.jpg

[twiz]

Alexandra Tower last week.
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov.jpg

:shock: Was armageddon last week? I must have missed it.

Amazing pic.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

Here's a render of plot 3a with the Beethams in the background,go to portfolio and then mixed use.It looks brilliant but CABE critisised it and EH said maybe it should be split into two smaller towers what's up with these people it's fantastic?

http://www.rmjm.com/launcher.html

...so what happens? Will they have to modify it? In the render, what's happened to the stuff that's already there??

[Paul D]

...so what happens? Will they have to modify it? In the render, what's happened to the stuff that's already there??

Your guess is as good as mine but when these people speak out negatively about something they usually get their way.

[Waterways]

Here's a render of plot 3a with the Beethams in the background,go to portfolio and then mixed use.It looks brilliant but CABE critisised it and EH said maybe it should be split into two smaller towers what's up with these people it's fantastic?

http://www.rmjm.com/launcher.html

Apart from Brunswick Tower at a bend in the river, no real talls should be on the river front or docks. The buildings should step up with the very tall way behind. It is too tall crowding out those behind.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/PrincesDock-3A.jpg

[scouserdave]

:shock: Was armageddon last week? I must have missed it.

Amazing pic.
LOL! Thanks. It does look a bit mean and moody. I think that was due to the time it was taken. The sun was starting to go down. Probably about 15:30ish

[Kev]

LIVERPOOL’S Malmaison is set to be stylish and sumptuous but designers have also paid tribute to the city’s three most important icons - The Beatles, The Liver Birds and football. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=city-style-in-new-hotel%26method=full%26objectid=18264883%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html)

[AK1]

I think the Malmaison Hotel looks great! A really unique design of the highest quality. A great addition to our waterfront! The number of unique buildings going up in Liverpool is amazing. Many other cities have similair looking buildings but Liverpool has a truly amazing selection of buildings that you really want to look at such as Unity, Beethams, Malmaison, Alexandra etc etc. Liverpool has always been a unique city and these new developments are keeping us unique, not making us look like just another city. Long may it continue!!!:celb (23):

[Kev]

^^:PDT_Piratz_26: ^^

[Waterways]

I think the Malmaison Hotel looks great! A really unique design of the highest quality. A great addition to our waterfront! The number of unique buildings going up in Liverpool is amazing. Many other cities have similair looking buildings but Liverpool has a truly amazing selection of buildings that you really want to look at such as Unity, Beethams, Malmaison, Alexandra etc etc.


There is nothing special about any of them. None are iconic. Unity is about the best. Beethams are plain. The only decent building planned was Brunswick Quay, the rest are anywhere buildings



Liverpool has always been a unique city and these new developments are keeping us unique, not making us look like just another city. Long may it continue!!!:celb (23):

I wish I shared your view. I wish that was the case.

[scouserdave]

How it looked about 8 years ago

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/prinold.jpg

[MissInformed]

that's a great pic.
Right behind my work

[AK1]

There is nothing special about any of them. None are iconic. Unity is about the best. Beethams are plain. The only decent building planned was Brunswick Quay, the rest are anywhere buildings



I wish I shared your view. I wish that was the case.

As usual Waterways, soooo negative! These are iconic in their own right and together. Buildings don't have to be tall to be great. These projects are of the highest quality! Most cities in the world don't have really tall buildings, only major financial ones like London or New york. New york is a typical example of a city without character or uniqueness. It has a few iconic buildings, but most are dull, boring boxes of no architectural merit. Most american cities are like this, Liverpool is not. There is nowhere in the world that compares to Liverpool and I think these projects are helping to keep us unique.
I know this won't change your opinion, but I thought I'd try anyway!

[The Teardrop Explodes]

...!!! C'mon New York's great. Shame on you!

Anyway, like you AKI I share that optimism for the future. What we're seeing now is only the FIRST wave of concerted contemporary Liverpool city-making. This isn't the end. What we're doing right now is putting in the BASICS. This was a city which after 70 years of decline was barely a city at all, so that now the ship's started to turn it's hard to know where to start.

The stuff going up now, as good as some of it is, will facilitate the real iconic buildings of the future.

[Waterways]

As usual Waterways, soooo negative!


I am realistic.



These are iconic in their own right and together.


They are not. They are bland anywhere buildings, like you see in Croydon.



Buildings don't have to be tall to be great. These projects are of the highest quality! Most cities in the world don't have really tall buildings, only major financial ones like London or New york. New york is a typical example of a city without character or uniqueness. It has a few iconic buildings, but most are dull, boring boxes of no architectural merit. Most american cities are like this, Liverpool is not


I can't believe anyone would write that.



There is nowhere in the world that compares to Liverpool and I think these projects are helping to keep us unique.


Liverpool has no icon new buildings, apart from the Catholic cathedral. There are no iconic buldings proposed - none.

[AK1]

I am realistic.



They are not. They are bland anywhere buildings, like you see in Croydon.



I can't believe anyone would write that.



Liverpool has no icon new buildings, apart from the Catholic cathedral. There are no iconic buldings proposed - none.

OK, thats your opinion, but I look at Liverpool from across the river and see a city like no other, in terms of both new and old buildings. Ofcourse there are buildings similair to ones in other cities, but on the whole the buildings are unique. You keep talking about iconic buildings. There are some proposed like the King Edward tower, possibly princess dock and Brunswisk Tower ( It could still go ahead), but Liverpool suffered years of massive decline and has only started regenerating within the past ten years, so to start talking about iconic buildings is premature. Over the years to come, people and companies' faith in Liverpool with grow, and the projects will get more and more iconic. Our regeneration is still in the very early stages, just wait and see what happens. Don't forget that Peel are planning Wirral Waters and something similair for Liverpool's north docks spread out over the next 30 years. This will be a project with truly iconic architecture.
I do agree that Liverpool doesn't have many new iconic buildings, mainly old iconic buildings like the cathederals and the graces, but buildings don't have to be iconic to be well designed and interesting to look at. I feel that over the next couple of years, after 2008, Liverpool will see another surge in building projects of which more and more will be ' iconic'.
That's my view.

[Waterways]

OK, thats your opinion, but I look at Liverpool from across the river and see a city like no other, in terms of both new and old buildings.


The new buildings are pathetic. Note the word iconic and its meaning.



Of course there are buildings similair to ones in other cities, but on the whole the buildings are unique.


Name me one apart from the Catholic Cathedral.



You keep talking about iconic buildings. There are some proposed like the King Edward tower, possibly princess dock


Iconic? Please?



and Brunswisk Tower ( It could still go ahead),


I hope, but I think I will see pigs flying over a renovated Royal Iris first.



but Liverpool suffered years of massive decline and has only started regenerating within the past ten years, so to start talking about iconic buildings is premature.


We are in a construction boom that will not last. The most has to made of it. Grabbing any half cocked raw concrete slab is not the way.



Over the years to come, people and companies' faith in Liverpool with grow, and the projects will get more and more iconic.


A nice prediction, however I don't have your faith. As I say, apart from the Brunswick Quay which was rejected by the city, nothing is iconic at all.



Our regeneration is still in the very early stages, just wait and see what happens. Don't forget that Peel are planning Wirral Waters and something similair for Liverpool's north docks spread out over the next 30 years. This will be a project with truly iconic architecture.


Let's wait and see. I hope you are right.



I do agree that Liverpool doesn't have many new iconic buildings, mainly old iconic buildings like the cathederals and the graces, but buildings don't have to be iconic to be well designed and interesting to look at. I feel that over the next couple of years, after 2008, Liverpool will see another surge in building projects of which more and more will be ' iconic'.
That's my view.


At the current rate all of them will be stumped because of the obsession about views of the Liver and the cathedrals - people in Rock Ferry have first choice of views it seems.

[AK1]

The new buildings are pathetic. Note the word iconic and its meaning.



Name me one apart from the Catholic Cathedral.



Iconic? Please?



I hope, but I think I will see pigs flying over a renovated Royal Iris first.



We are in a construction boom that will not last. The most has to made of it. Grabbing any half cocked raw concrete slab is not the way.



A nice prediction, however I don't have your faith. As I say, apart from the Brunswick Quay which was rejected by the city, nothing is iconic at all.



Let's wait and see. I hope you are right.



At the current rate all of them will be stumped because of the obsession about views of the Liver and the cathedrals - people in Rock Ferry have first choice of views it seems.

I agree with you about the buildings being cut down. I really don't see any problem with tall buildings and I am fed up with people who have nothing to do with Liverpool making huge decisions that are going to effect us for years to come i.e. Ruth Kelly!
I like tall buildings and Brunswick Dock is an ideal site for talls. Her decision is rediculous and the reason I still have hope for the tower is that so many people and organisations disagree with her. As for this Rockferry thing, they don't pay Liverpool taxes therefore they have no say in what goes on here. I could understand if it was on their doorstep but it isn't. The way I see it, instead of an amazing cathederal to look at, they would have an amazing 21st Century skyscraper instead.
I agree with alot of what you say, but I wish you and others would be a little less pesimistic. Yes there have been disappointments, but there have also been alot more successes. I believe if people are more optimistic about planned projects and really get behind them, then they will go ahead. If people just s##g things off from the get-go, and don't have faith in them being approved, then the projects will never materialise. Just try and be a bit more positive, especially about projects like the north docks etc.:)

B.T.W. Buildings I think are iconic : Both cathederals, Graces, St Georges Hall and surrounding buildings all of which are unique. Oh and Radio City Tower, only joking! Liverpool had alot more iconic buildings, most of which where destroyed in WW2. There are numerous books showing these buildings.

[lindylou]

I agree with all those you listed as being iconic.

.. don't mind the Radio City tower. It gets a lot of stick sometimes (no pun intended) :) but I think it's doing no harm. It's there and it's ok.
I couldn't imagine it not being there. It's part of the furniture now.

[Kev]

RE: Radio City Tower. They should build from the base of the tower around the lift shaft to fatten the building up so the top doesn't stick out, so it becomes a big cylinder shape full of offices and a glass frontage to the top.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

RE: Radio City Tower. They should build from the base of the tower around the lift shaft to fatten the building up so the top doesn't stick out, so it becomes a big cylinder shape full of offices and a glass frontage to the top.

Behave yourself Kev, make it into a borin cylinder?? it's a great shape- it says 'Liverpool.' I wouldn't mind another one, just loads taller.

Iconic, to me anyway, is the fountain at the back of office buildings of The Goree. The 60's one where the buckets fill up and hiss and tip over. I think it's a wonderful piece, and again IS Liverpool.

[Kev]

Behave yourself Kev, make it into a borin cylinder?? it's a great shape- it says 'Liverpool.' I wouldn't mind another one, just loads taller.

Iconic, to me anyway, is the fountain at the back of office buildings of The Goree. The 60's one where the buckets fill up and hiss and tip over. I think it's a wonderful piece, and again IS Liverpool.

:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16: just a thought TDE :PDT_Piratz_26:

[scouserdave]

RE: Radio City Tower. They should build from the base of the tower around the lift shaft to fatten the building up so the top doesn't stick out, so it becomes a big cylinder shape full of offices and a glass frontage to the top.
Great idea for a new development Kev, but leave the Holy Cross of St John's Precinct alone:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24: :unibrow:

[AK1]

I don't know about anyone else, but I see Liverpool itself as iconic. It is known the world over by millions of people. Our history, people, architecture, river, uniqueness, music and the general feeling you get whilst walking around make Liverpool an iconic city. Places like Manchester, Leeds etc have many positive aspects, but are not iconic. I believe that Liverpool is up there with places like London. There is nowhere else in the world like Liverpool.

[The Teardrop Explodes]

Agreed.

[Waterways]

:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16: just a thought TDE :PDT_Piratz_26:

I very good thought as well. One way to get a substantial tall in there, as it is already tall. A nice well clad cylinder would be far superior to the concrete pole that is there now. It could be a tapering cylinder, from top to bottom or bottom to top.

I like it.

[MissInformed]

i found this pic of an old 1960s postcard on scousehouse forum, and since you have to be a member to see it, I thought I would post it here..

[Waterways]

i found this pic of an old 1960s postcard on scousehouse forum, and since you have to be a member to see it, I thought I would post it here..

Nice pic.

[christy]

Great picture but makes me a bit sad. How could they just demolish a whole area like that around the north of Canning place and around South Castle street. Full of interesting and original warehouses and comercial buildings and swept away for the QE11 law courts...........

[Waterways]

Great picture but makes me a bit sad. How could they just demolish a whole area like that around the north of Canning place and around South Castle street. Full of interesting and original warehouses and comercial buildings and swept away for the QE11 law courts...........

A total disgrace to do such a thing. The yellow sand hoppers of Abels are still there on the south quay of Canning Dock. On the east quay at Canning Dock can be seen some yellow items. These were tower cranes made in Ireland. They would be unloaded here and left on the quays until collection.

Some sort of cement hopper was on the Canning Graving Dock. The ship used the graving dock as the berth.

A coaster is using the Canning Dock. The transit sheds are still there. I saw a ship berth there and unload about 5 to 10 years ago. The only part of the south end docks commercially used.

[christy]

Interesting to see the cranes. How good would they have looked if they were still there!?! Give a bit of life to that dock area which is pretty empty for some reason, at least having some boats/ships in there would make the Albert dock look less isolated and far away. These bits of heritage should always be kept to remind people of what areas were actually for. At least Glasgow have kept the Finiston crane which is a great landmark.
Didn't know the other warehouse at Waterloo dock survived until the 60's. Always thought it went just after the war!

[MissInformed]

found some others on the scouse house forum too...

one from the 1970's and the other from 1965

[PhilipG]

found some others on the scouse house forum too...

one from the 1970's and the other from 1965

They're lovely.

Haven't seen either before.

[MissInformed]

it's a pretty good forum for pics sometimes!

some others i found on there, a man took in the 60's.

[Waterways]

it's a pretty good forum for pics sometimes!

some others i found on there, a man took in the 60's.

Ah that bell. They rang it when there was fog. The liner. What name and line? Nice looking ship - green funnel.

[scouserdave]

it's a pretty good forum for pics sometimes!

some others i found on there, a man took in the 60's.
Can you find who this "man" is who took the photies and provide us with at the very least a username? Link? I'd like to thank him. Can you have a look again and let us know? It's only fair if you post his photies. Thanks for posting this person's cracking pics, by the way. Never seen them before:PDT_Piratz_26:

[MissInformed]

i only posted them here cos you have to be a member to see them on www.scousehouse.net

I did say that, and in no way am claiming credit for them.
the pics are postcards, and not photos.
the man's username is springy.

[Paul D]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5197/plot3avc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Some images from the revised planning application, there is a double height foyer at ground level and a plant room on top of the 32nd level. The revised tower doesn't seem to have lost too much height and it is a bit slimmer. It looks like there are balconies on this building a bit different from the other residential towers.

[scouserdave]

Nice one Paul. Beetham West looks absolutely gigantic, viewed from Everton Brow by the way.

[Kev]

Plot 3a Princes Dock Reduced in Height (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=823) - in case you're interested for more details.

[AK1]

Plot 3a Princes Dock Reduced in Height (http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=823) - in case you're interested for more details.

I hate it when projects are reduced in height for seemingly poor reasons, but in this case I agree with the council. I think that 36 floors was too big for the site in front of Beetham west. Any buildings along that stretch of waterfront should be smaller than the buildings behind it so they aren't blocked out of view. I think that anything bigger than West Tower should go behind it or alongside it such as the King Edward Tower which could possibly be up to 50 floors. I think that the real supertalls will be built by Peel in central docks.

[SteH]

I hate it when projects are reduced in height for seemingly poor reasons, but in this case I agree with the council. I think that 36 floors was too big for the site in front of Beetham west. Any buildings along that stretch of waterfront should be smaller than the buildings behind it so they aren't blocked out of view. I think that anything bigger than West Tower should go behind it or alongside it such as the King Edward Tower which could possibly be up to 50 floors. I think that the real supertalls will be built by Peel in central docks.

I can see the point about tall buildings being built further from the river so they go back in steps, but in this case will a 7 metre difference between the original plans and the revised ones really make any difference?

[scouserdave]

I can see the point about tall buildings being built further from the river so they go back in steps, but in this case will a 7 metre difference between the original plans and the revised ones really make any
difference?

But the waterfront goes up on a steep hill all the way to Everton. Sorry, I can't see the point.

[SteH]

I dont mean all the way back to Everton, just in the immediate vicinity of the river. Looking at the picture the original Beetham would be better at the front and what's proposed for plot 3a just behind although its easy to say that now we're thinking bolder and taller than when beetham was proposed/built.

This picture of New York (http://www.atpm.com/7.01/new-york-ii/images/manhattan.jpg)is the point I'm trying to make about taller buildings at the back

[scouserdave]

I dont mean all the way back to Everton, just in the immediate vicinity of the river.
I know that. Why suck up to Wirral?

[twiz]

Why not 'suck up' to the wirral and the river when it's the best view of the city? If you have a strength you should exploit it imo.

[SteH]

I know that. Why suck up to Wirral?

Whats Wirral got to do with it?

[scouserdave]

Whats Wirral got to do with it?
I'll leave this question open. Twiz answered the question well:handclap:

[Ged]

I bet the people paying good money for River views are a wee bit miffed when another, taller tower comes along in front of it, reminds me of when I used to get to the match fifteen minutes early for a great speck only to be foiled by that 6'6'' giant walking in at the last minute with his chips, but at least I could try and move.

[Kev]

I bet the people paying good money for River views are a wee bit miffed when another, taller tower comes along in front of it, reminds me of when I used to get to the match fifteen minutes early for a great speck only to be foiled by that 6'6'' giant walking in at the last minute with his chips, but at least I could try and move.

Same fella who stood in front of me Ged. Always stunk of beer too and accompanied by 2/3 mates.

[Ged]

That's the one Kev. Wouldn't have been so bad if he wasn't 6'6'' wide too :)

[AK1]

I think that taking 3 floors off coupled with the lower level of the ground will make quite a big difference in making sure that the buildings behind aren't blocked from view. I agree that this is the best view of Liverpool therefore it should be exploited and preserved as much as possible. Most of Liverpool can't see the city centre as Liverpool is built on a hill, with the centre on one side and the rest of the city on the other.

[Paul D]

If it wasn't for the Wirral Brunswick Quay would have been built.:PDT_Xtremez_12:

[PhilipG]

I dont mean all the way back to Everton, just in the immediate vicinity of the river. Looking at the picture the original Beetham would be better at the front and what's proposed for plot 3a just behind although its easy to say that now we're thinking bolder and taller than when beetham was proposed/built.

This picture of New York (http://www.atpm.com/7.01/new-york-ii/images/manhattan.jpg)is the point I'm trying to make about taller buildings at the back

The World Trade Centre was built near the edge of the river.
The excavations were used as landfill for the buildings in front of it.

[twiz]

If it wasn't for the Wirral Brunswick Quay would have been built.:PDT_Xtremez_12:

If it wasn't for the Wirral Liverpool wouldn't be what it is today. WHS and preserving views IMO had nothing to do with this scheme being rejected, the fact that ruth kelly made the decision was the reason alone. Her adviser told her to give it the go ahead but she is just anti-tall. Look at what she's up to in London, it's pathetically backward.

[Max]

London don't want no tall building rivals. :mad:

They have this 1002 feet tower approved to be finished by 2010.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=46

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/46LondonBridgeTower_pic1.jpg

[Kev]

.....and from The Echo yesterday:


A SKYSCRAPER planned for Liverpool's waterfront will be reduced from 37 to 30 storeys, following scathing criticism in a report by the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment (CABE). more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/thebusinessweek/regionalnews/tm_headline=%2Djoyless%2D-tower-block-to-be-scaled-back%26method=full%26objectid=18527659%26siteid=50 061-name_page.html)

[Max]

http://files.myopera.com/Mathilda/albums/76306/angry.gif

[Paul D]

A SKYSCRAPER planned for Liverpool's waterfront will be reduced from 37 to 30 storeys, following scathing criticism in a report by the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment (CABE).

That's a result Kev because they originally suggested two stumpy towers,it will still come in at around 32/33 stories which will have a massive impact if it's approved.

[scouserdave]

Taken from Princes Dock a couple of days ago.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/prinjan001.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/prinjan.jpg

[Kev]

V. Nice :handclap::handclap:

[kenotoole123@msn.com]

I took these last Week-End....couple of them make nice Wallpaper....

[snappel]

It's strange, I remember about 3 years back when we used to ride our bikes on the dockside around there, and Prince's Half-tide Dock was totally derelict and the place was just left. Now it's virtually unrecognisable! A shame in many ways, as some interesting features have been lost, but I suppose it's just part of the land's lifecycle.

[shytalk]

Can anyone tell me where the Cockle Hole is?

I have seen a photo' of it but can't recognise it.

[scouserdave]

It's strange, I remember about 3 years back when we used to ride our bikes on the dockside around there, and Prince's Half-tide Dock was totally derelict and the place was just left. Now it's virtually unrecognisable! A shame in many ways, as some interesting features have been lost, but I suppose it's just part of the land's lifecycle.
I agree. There's still some interesting stuff to explore a little further north from here, but I'm sure that'll be gobbled up in the end.
Here's a pre City Lofts and Unity pic taken about three years ago. A few more over here (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/docks/index.html)
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/docks/images/princes10.jpg

[scouserdave]

Can anyone tell me where the Cockle Hole is?

I have seen a photo' of it but can't recognise it.

It's next to the Coburg Dock

[shytalk]

It's next to the Coburg Dock


TA.

[AntiPathos]

It's strange, I remember about 3 years back when we used to ride our bikes on the dockside around there, and Prince's Half-tide Dock was totally derelict and the place was just left. Now it's virtually unrecognisable! A shame in many ways, as some interesting features have been lost, but I suppose it's just part of the land's lifecycle.

Snappel,

I hate having to do this but can you clear your PM box out ? Have been trying to send you a message for two days mate.

Cheers,
AP.

[snappel]

Sorry! Try now!

[Paul D]

You've made Princes dock look amazing there Dave,I wouldn't mind seeing a similar picture in a few years time.:handclap:

[AntiPathos]

Sorry! Try now!

Done :)

[Paul D]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/641/thealexgo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The rising Alexandra tower taken from outside Costco.

[scouserdave]

Paul, that is a class pic! What time was it taken? I want to do one of them. Thanks:handclap:

[A.D.W]

Princes Dock - 4th February 2007

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/ssc/bpd0402071.jpg

[A.D.W]

Princes Dock - 4th February 2007

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/ssc/bpd0402072.jpg

[A.D.W]

Princes Dock - 4th February 2007 (last one)

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/ssc/bpd0402073.jpg

[ChrisGeorge]

Great photographs. Thanks, Cissie. :celb (23):

Chris

[scouserdave]

Stunning!
It was my birthday on the 4th. Much prefer viewing Dave's class pics than my poxy bday cards:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Kev]

^^Happy Birthday Dave^^

[A.D.W]

Happy 21st Birthday, Dave. Again!

:)

[scouserdave]

<grouch>Fluck off, the pair of yiz</grouch>

[scouserdave]

<sulk>Yeah thanks</thanks>:PDT_Xtremez_12:



:)

[PhilipG]

Great photos.
I took quite a lot in 1992 when all the derelict buildings were there.

[A.D.W]

Great photos.
I took quite a lot in 1992 when all the derelict buildings were there.

Well post them my good man and we can then see the difference between the years.

:celb (23):

[petecarr]

Cissie I have almost the same shots. Sunday was a great day for photography :) Nice work.

[PhilipG]

Feb 1992.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/381124355_f701f08b53_o.jpg

[Paul D]

Paul, that is a class pic! What time was it taken? I want to do one of them. Thanks:handclap:

Thanks Dave it was taken about 2:30,Sunday was a lovely day.:)

[MissInformed]

hey guys
took a pic on my phone of the snow on the landing stage this morning.
It's only turned out smal though...oops! but you get the idea!!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/landingstageinsnow.jpg

[ScouseLad]

[QUOTE=MissInformed;38273]hey guys
took a pic on my phone of the snow on the landing stage this morning.
It's only turned out smal though...oops! but you get the idea!!

Shouldn't you have been working!! :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

[MissInformed]

[QUOTE=MissInformed;38273]hey guys
took a pic on my phone of the snow on the landing stage this morning.
It's only turned out smal though...oops! but you get the idea!!

Shouldn't you have been working!! :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

maybe... :)

[petecarr]

http://petemc.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/IMG_4689_90_91.jpg
I remember visiting Princess Dock as a kid. They had a museum there in one of the large warehouses. Sunday was the first time I’ve walked that far down and I was blown away by the development there. The view reminded me of Toronto. Its strange really as I’ve seen the construction many times from the road side and from Wirral but there was just something different about it from this angle. Maybe it was the reflections. I can’t wait for the buildings to be finished, it should look fantastic.

HDR from 3 RAW’s handheld // Camera: Canon 30D // ISO: 100 // Shutter Speed: 1/250 // Aperture: f5.6 // Focal Length: 10mm // Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6

[Paul D]

That's special thanks Pete.:handclap:

[Ged]

That's a great pic Pete, great colours too, just a slight pity it wasn't the full Liver though.

[petecarr]

From that angle thats all you can see. There's another building blocking the view annoyingly.

[PhilipG]

Clarence Dock chimneys (3 Ugly Sisters) and the Waterloo Warehouse.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/107/382624780_dbe0ca8c9f_o.jpg

[Ged]

and you red car. Well done, keep em coming.

[PhilipG]

As it is today.
07-02-07
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/144/383066327_87ed4ad44c_o.jpg

[PhilipG]

Feb 1992.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/383113331_c24508eb9f_o.jpg

Feb 2007.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/171/383113334_97f1b43c41_o.jpg

[A.D.W]

Ahhhh! It's good to see how Liverpool has changed for the better over the years. Keep it up Philip.

[Kev]

^^Phil, they are brilliant!^^ :handclap:

[scouserdave]

Beetham West last night

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/westjan001.jpg

[taffy]

http://petemc.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/IMG_4689_90_91.jpg
I remember visiting Princess Dock as a kid. They had a museum there in one of the large warehouses. Sunday was the first time I’ve walked that far down and I was blown away by the development there. The view reminded me of Toronto. Its strange really as I’ve seen the construction many times from the road side and from Wirral but there was just something different about it from this angle. Maybe it was the reflections. I can’t wait for the buildings to be finished, it should look fantastic.



Great Photo Pete though I find the new multistorey car park overlooking Prince's Dock a monstrous carbuncle on the face of Liverpool. Having got rid of one hideous car park on Paradise St, the City's planners allowed this monstrosity to be built.

[Kev]

Excellent pics people :handclap: :handclap:

[petecarr]

Great Photo Pete though I find the new multistorey car park overlooking Prince's Dock a monstrous carbuncle on the face of Liverpool. Having got rid of one hideous car park on Paradise St, the City's planners allowed this monstrosity to be built.

Yeah its just a block of concrete. Nasty building. I've been escorted off it for taking pics too :D

[AK1]

Yeah its just a block of concrete. Nasty building. I've been escorted off it for taking pics too :D

It would be nice to see some sort of glass cladding on it such as the multi-storey on kings dock.

[Paul D]

Great shot of West Tower there I can't wait until it's finished.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Ged]

Great then and now shots Phil. Great pics from the other guys too.

[PhilipG]

Feb 1992.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/384617624_140679ac8c_o.jpg

Feb 2007.
Not the same viewpoint, but I wanted to include the sign.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/384617626_8793971df7_o.jpg

[MissInformed]

Brilliant pics Philip
That little hut is one of my fave things about that area!
I have a little look at that everyday out of my work window!

[PhilipG]

Thank you, Carrie.
Is this the building you work in?
I love the reflections.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/384638992_d963883e9c_o.jpg

[MissInformed]

Thank you, Carrie.
Is this the building you work in?
I love the reflections.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/384638992_d963883e9c_o.jpg

sure is philip
it is a really nice building inside too...

[Paul D]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3204/malmaisonsa8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[AK1]

I absolutely love that building. It's so unique and modern, and fits in really well!:)

[Kev]

10th Feb 2007

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/385814928_3a334cda68.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/385814928/)

[scouserdave]

Nice one Kev. Here's a view from behind.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/prin20071.jpg

[Kev]

They are beautiful Dave :)

[PhilipG]

Nice one Kev. Here's a view from behind.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/prin20071.jpg

OMG, Dave.
I was going to post a couple of views, but yours is FAB!

[A.D.W]

Nice one Kev. Here's a view from behind.

Is that one of those HD pictures, Dave? Very nice all the same.

[snappel]

Dave in HDR shocker?! I never thought I'd see the day...

Nice picture - crazy when you think that most of those buildings are only a few years old.

[scouserdave]

Thanks folks. AD, it does look kind of HDR. Not too keen on overblown HDR pics. I have a load of HDR generated pics on my HD, but none on my site. I just do them for fun and for the odd print. If I shoot in RAW, I can save the same pic with different exposures and combine them to generate a HDR copy.

Oh well, great fun tonight, but I'm off to bed. Early start:)

[Gerard]

Top Banana Dave....Sh** hot Lad..


Nice one Kev. Here's a view from behind.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/prin20071.jpg

[Gazzab]

Absolutely cracking photo Dave - once again. :handclap:

[snappel]

Been meaning to get up here for a while, and finally got round to it. Stairs up to the highest floor, and then ladders inside the central column going up into the Doka. Views were pretty amazing, as you can see right the way to Albert Dock and beyond.


http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/alex/DSC_0111.JPG

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/alex/DSC_0096.JPG

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/alex/DSC_0107.JPG

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/alex/DSC_0077.JPG

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/alex/DSC_0072.JPG

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/alex/DSC_0076.JPG

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/alex/DSC_0058.JPG

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/alex/DSC_0050.JPG

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/alex/DSC_0034.JPG

[petecarr]

Love that last one. You've got balls of steel. :)

[Bunnyman]

Does anybody know why they still use those old wooden ladders instead of lightweight aluminium ones?

Well done Snappel. If you're ever arrested for trespassing, I'm sure the folks here will chip in to help pay your bail. :)

[Kev]

OMG Snappel, what can one say? Are you Top Gear's The Stig?

AMAZING!!!

[snappel]

Well done Snappel. If you're ever arrested for trespassing, I'm sure the folks here will chip in to help pay your bail. :)Trespass is unarrestable unless you steal/smash or make a nuisance of yourself. Besides, if I ever was arrested I'd have a **** good go at escaping. Just read Papillon!!

[Gazzab]

It's only arrestable if you gain unauthorised entry / trespass on a nuclear establishment.:ninja:

[scouserdave]

Brilliant pics Snappel mate! You don't get a sense of height when you're looking at the development, but you certainly do looking at these brill pics:handclap:

[scouserdave]

Snappel and his mate caught in the act:unibrow:

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/snappel.jpg

[snappel]

Nice! Me and a mate from work were talking about doing rope access training, although it's not cheap. I'd love to do that for a job...

[scouserdave]

Alex from Seacombe. St George's Church and Everton library are in the background.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexfeb001.jpg

[AK1]

I would like to see Everton park restored and made safer for the public. It has great potential and has some of the best views of the city centre.:)

[lindylou]

Lovely clear pics. :handclap:

[Gerard]

Lovely clear pics. :handclap:

Ta Lindy ..

[Kev]

Nice pics Gerard :)

[Gerard]

Nice pics Gerard :)

Ta Kev..Kev..Got some new piccies of the filled in Movin' Bridge at the Pier Head..Cant remember where they go !!..Help ~!!

[Ged]

Hey Gerard, you're turning into a bit of a photographer lad!!!

[Gerard]

Hey Gerard, you're turning into a bit of a photographer lad!!!


Thanks Ged..Im made up with that Compliment mate.

[Paul D]

Second bid to build £80m dock tower


MORE than 120,000 sq ft of office space will be created as part of a new £80m mixed-use development at Liverpool's Princes Dock.

The scheme, being proposed by the Mersey Property Company (MPC), will feature a 32-storey tower, 122,000 sq ft of grade-A office space, 133 apartments, a 129-bed hotel pre-let to Golden Tulip, 5,000 sq ft of leisure/retail space and 150 car parking spaces.

It is the second proposal put forward by MPC for the site, plot 3a, which is right on the waterfront. Its original plans were heavily criticised in a report last year by the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment (CABE) which branded them "joyless" and "weak".

Now after working with CABE, English Heritage, the city council and Liverpool Vision, the company believes it has come up with a design that will please all parties.

Internationally renowned architects, RMJM, has drawn up the new plans which MPC hopes will win planning approval in March.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/thebusinessweek/regionalnews/tm_headline=second-bid-to-build-%2D80m-dock-tower%26method=full%26objectid=18664857%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html

[petecarr]

http://www.vanilladays.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/img_4674_5_6.jpg

Another from a few weeks back. I was there yesterday exploring more so I should have some newer shots in the next few days.

[scouserdave]

Gerard,
Fluck me!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/DSC00258.jpg