MERSEYSIDE'S youngest troublemakers have been given the UK's first ever onthe-spot fines for children.

Young people aged from 10 to 15 have been issued with tickets by police for persistently misbehaving in the streets.

Officers have imposed 25 tickets since the scheme began in July, but police warned the figure will rise when children are caught breaking the law after being let off with warnings for earlier offences.

One top Merseyside officer today said it was vital police cracked down on youth crime before the region's young people turned "to the dark side".

Chief Superintendent Paul Forrester said: "Neighbourhood officers know kids in their area.

"They see them growing up and if they are turning to the dark side, hanging around street corners and causing trouble.

"We've told them to be sensible and only use these tickets when they need to be used.

"If kids come back with fines, their parents may tell them they can't go out if they can't behave. When more tickets are handed out, we should see the level of problems coming down."

Merseyside is one of seven forces in England and Wales taking part in the year-long pilot of fixed penalty notices for 10 to 15-year-olds.

Instead of offenders being arrested and taken into custody, they are taken home and given a £40 fine in front of parents or guardians.

If fines are not paid, the adults can be taken to court and jailed.

But if the youngsters deny they have broken the law and refuse to accept the fine, they can be prosecuted as normal.

Police hope the scheme will free up officers' time.

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VANDALS are causing more than £1,000 of damage a day to bus shelters in Liverpool.

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Merseytravel says taxpayers are footing the bill for the wrecking spree, which contributes to a £1m-a-year outlay across Merseyside each year.

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Oh, don't start me on that one too :lol:

Can we not have a tick list system on our payslips to channel our taxes to where we want them to go? Monthly, so we can say "I want my money to go.....bla bla" rather into the pockets of 'so and so' for a new quad bike or an expensive big dog on a lead?

Yes, I've always wondered how they afford these dogs.. and more to the point - how do they afford to feed them ?? I am a true and dedicated dog lover, and I'd never be able to afford to buy one of these big pedigree dogs you see being posed around the area.
I went shopping last week in Broadway Norris green - supposedly a run-down and poor area - I was amazed at the number of unusual an expensive pedigree breeds I saw being walked around. Among the usual Bull mastiffs, English Bull terriers, etc, I saw A Neopolitan Mastif (they cost hundreds to buy), and an American Bloodhound ! which are very expensive to buy in UK.
For Gods sake! why would anyone in Norris green want an American Bloodhound !! It's like a joke off 'Little Britain' ! I know I could never afford hundreds to buy one of these dogs, nor could I afford the feeding costs and vets fees etc.
We must be doing something wrong here Kev ! :question:

I know - tacky beyond belief.

.... I forgot to add that, one of the poor hapless hounds was being led along by a young pyjama clad 'Brittney' :lol: :lol: .. the pyjamas looked grubby like they needed a good wash :lol: They can't even keep themselves groomed - never mind a pedigree dog !! it is so tacky as you say.
Matt Lucas would have a field day !! If he came around here he'd find enough material for a new series.

Nice to see that despite the shortage of petrol, the kids can still afford to tear arse around on their quads and motorbikes at 4pm in the afternoon :confused:

You should have heard the motorbike screaming up and down our road last night - it went on all evening until 10 o'clock pm. The noise from it was incredible - absolutely deafening. God knows what speed it was doing. So much for the speed humps. :(

You know the police won't stop them becuase if they chase them and they fall off, well there's a claim there for compo :mad:.

So there is a whole generation moving through the system who are seemingly above the law. u think its bad now? They will always be protected some how.

Whilst we - law abiding citizens - have to put up with it.

Start up some neighbourhood watches, some one must know the offenders or their parents, then report it to the police till they get sick of hearing about it, here in Melbourne we have a "Dob in a yob policy", just hand over to the police the names of these yobs and make a clear point of informing your local Member of Parliament of the anti social goings on and a letter to the news papers would not go amiss, time the majority stood up to these yobs. :mad:

Can we use weapons on these watches? :badgrin:

You know the police won't stop them becuase if they chase them and they fall off, well there's a claim there for compo :mad:.


Surprised to hear that. The Police in Croxteth have been mounting a mini-campaign after loads of complaints. Have heard that 5 have been arrested, etc..

Still some riding around though. Don't mind quite as much when they're on the road, but I was driving along a couple of days ago doing about 20mph, and got overtaken by a little kid riding on the pavement. :(

Well, I'm glad at that Jock to see the police are targetting them. Maybe we should look forward to the massive expensive dogs instead of the quads.

In Garston its not that bad, only gripe is the cheekyness of the riders with no care for anyones safety. 3 of them last time I saw some, one on a quad, 2 on 1 bike! Breaking the speedlimit, on and off the pavement, u know the rest.

I used to be told off by adults for cycling slowly when I was a kid on the pavement :tear:

Start up some neighbourhood watches, some one must know the offenders or their parents, then report it to the police till they get sick of hearing about it, here in Melbourne we have a "Dob in a yob policy", just hand over to the police the names of these yobs and make a clear point of informing your local Member of Parliament of the anti social goings on and a letter to the news papers would not go amiss, time the majority stood up to these yobs. :mad:


We've done all that Jimmy. Over the years our neighbours have formed various groups and had talks with community policemen, but as I was ranting in the other thread .. the lowlife rule the streets I'm afraid, and decent residents have to 'put up and shut up'.
In the UK all the rights are on the side of the wrong-do'ers.

To give the police their due - they have caught some of the yobs around my area, but they can't always press charges as residents are often too afraid of reprisals and they won't give a statement.
One example is that a neighbour saw some well known local yobs commiting a crime, and she was too scared to give a statement. The police knew who the perpertrators were, but could do nothing about it.

my next door neighbour (a 6 year old handicapped girl ) was run over out side her own front door by one of those small bikes
we live in a completly paved street with no road running through so we always felt safe letting my daughter play out, now she is so scared to play out
when I gave my statement to the police I was told they cannot chase them because they go down streets where children are playing out

Mandy

The noises of them things are annoying. They sound like big farts and it doesn't makethem look hard. :lol:

my next door neighbour (a 6 year old handicapped girl ) was run over out side her own front door by one of those small bikes
we live in a completly paved street with no road running through so we always felt safe letting my daughter play out, now she is so scared to play out
when I gave my statement to the police I was told they cannot chase them because they go down streets where children are playing out

Mandy

Can understand the police stance there, in that they don't want some reckless lunatic riding even faster trying to get away when they're are innocent civilians around who are likely to get hurt.

I've had experience where a lad went into the side of my car (whilst parked) ,and did £800 worth of damage. Reported it to the police, and whilst I didn't see the incident, a neighbour did and took a photograph of it. Went to the police station, and the young lad behind the desk looked at the photo, and said 'Well I don't recognise him, don't think we can do anything'. Hmmm.. within 30 minutes I had one of the local schools phoning the police giving them his name and address.

Unfortunately they didn't decide to do anything, the lad looked about 8 and therefore couldn't be held to account for anything anyway. The police refused to even talk to his parents. Still, I lost my no claims and £250. And then 6 weeks later someone reversed into my car and drove off with no note. :crybaby: Another £250 excess! (although this time it was a more impresive £1600 worth of damage!).

Out of all of this, if the police can't be bothered to inform parents what their kids are up to, then nothings likely to change (the police will give them a ticking off, which they'll soon get bored and used to, and the parents won't be any the wiser.). Have seen some police schemes where the kids are taking back to the parents tho, so hopefully this will become common practise across the UK.

Tho saying that, I wonder if many parents would actually give two hoots?

Tho saying that, I wonder if many parents would actually give two hoots?

Thats basically the core of the problem Jock. You've hit it on the head there.

People reversing or knocking into the car and driving off is a pain in the butski. Very common problem and not confined to kids unfortunately

when the moron on the bike ran over my neighbours daughter he picked himself up & kept saying it was her fault because she ran into the bike
she is deaf but wears a hearing aid ,she heard the bike & went to run into the garden for safety when she was ran over
she had tyre marks right across her chest & cuts & grazes all over her body
the lad just got back on his bike & drove off
I usually don't blame the parents but in these cases I do as they must have bought these bikes ,I only hope no other innocent child gets ran over or even worse

Mandy

The fightback begins

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THE Liverpool ECHO today launches a unique campaign to restore yob-ridden communities to the people they belong to . . . YOU.

We are giving readers the chance to say enough is enough and drive out the low-life who think they are now beyond the law.

Every day on Merseyside people suffer from some form of anti-social behaviour.


It can vary from morons who hurl abuse and threats in the street, to those who roar around on quad bikes or throw stones through windows. :rolleyes:


Many have become resigned to living their lives in a community where families from hell and individual thugs have taken their neighbourhood away from them.


But from today there is a new weapon in the struggle by decent families to live their lives in peace.


It is the power of the ECHO. We are joining forces with Merseyside police to launch the Reclaim Our Neighbourhoods campaign.


Together we will fight to bring an end to those who laugh at the law and continue to ruin the lives of the majority.


From today you can report details of anti-social behaviour to our special new hotline.


Simply leave a detailed message on our telephone system and we will pass on those details to Merseyside police.


The campaign has the personal backing of Chief Constable Bernard Hogan-Howe who has set up a special team to deal with the calls you make.


The ECHO's massive reach across Merseyside means we can highlight the issues you are facing. And the powerful resources of the police will be used to act against the troublemakers.


It makes for a potent weapon against the thugs.


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Source - IC Liverpool

I can't understand parents who let their kids loose on the streets with these bikes. I wouldn't dream of letting my son have one of those things.

I can't understand parents who let their kids loose on the streets with these bikes. I wouldn't dream of letting my son have one of those things.

Me neither - good parenting skills and a positive role model are things to be proud of in this day and age :tear:

How would the Echo and Merseyside police stop them though? ASBO's etc didn't stop them and constant warnings and prison doesn't stop the even worse ones.


Fight them back if they give you crap though unless theres too many of there holding a gun.

THEY'VE caused mayhem in communities on both sides of the River Mersey - now neighboursfrom-hell the Bridges have a new home. (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16149315%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=a%2dhome%2dat%2dlast%2dfor%2danit%2dsoc ial%2dfamily-name_page.html)

We had lots of offers of properties but this is a three bedroomed house and it is lovely and really quiet. It's also got a big conservatory on the back.

Great that isnt it? I wish we could afford a conservatory :rolleyes:

Now they have been rehomed by a private landlord in a three bedroomed-house in Whiston.


Ah com'on Kev mate, they are only renting it.

Everyone has to live somewhere.

Lets hope while they have found somewhere, and it does sound nice, that they become "good neighbours", and learn from their past mistakes.

I for one, wish them success, and a better future.

Ah com'on Kev mate, they are only renting it.

Everyone has to live somewhere.

Lets hope while they have found somewhere, and it does sound nice, that they become "good neighbours", and learn from their past mistakes.

I for one, wish them success, and a better future.

suppose so, I just hope that they are paying their way.

I'm saying nothing.

I'm saying nothing.
Oh!... Why's that? :badgrin:

Its the antisocial bit that gets me angry. The asbos, moving about has given them many oportunities that the comminities they were originally thrown out from, can only dream of.

Result

A teenage boy suffered serious head injuries when he was thrown from his off-road motorcycle in Merseyside, police have said.

The 15-year-old collided with a metal gate in the accident, which occurred on Hazel Road in the Huyton area late on Monday afternoon.

He remained in a serious condition in hospital on Tuesday morning.

Merseyside Police, who are appealing for witnesses, said no other vehicles were involved.


Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4262802.stm)


:rolleyes:

An out-right ban is the only way!

Merseyside Police is calling on members of the public to become cyber snoops in the fight against vandals. The force is urging people to send text or e-mail photos of vandalism and its culprits to officers so they can act on the information immediately.

Police say residents know who is destroying their neighbourhood.

The initiative, to be launched on Wednesday, is the latest part of Merseyside Police's crackdown on anti-social behaviour.


Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4266116.stm)

Four teenagers have been arrested in connection with the brutal killing of a schoolboy found dead on a beach.

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DEDICATED yob squads will tackle neighbourhood thugs under new plans by Merseyside's police chief.


Two hundred officers will be drafted into an anti-social behaviour taskforce, to be sent into troubled communities to sort teen gangs.
The yob squads will:


* Step up patrols
* Issue asbos
* Set up no-go zones
* Break up gangs of yobs
* Arrest offenders


The plan by Merseyside chief constable Bernard Hogan-Howe comes as our joint Reclaim Our Neighbourhoods campaign notches up its first successes and wins praise from Prime Minister Tony Blair.


Neighbourhood officers currently deal with gangs but in some areas are outnumbered and struggle for control.


Residents are forced to hide in their homes while abandoned cars, graffiti and rubbish litter the streets where council workers are too afraid to work.

The yob squads would stay in an area for up to two months. Once satisfied they are in charge again, teams of council staff will move in and clean up.

Mr Hogan-Howe said: "The officers would reclaim the streets and allow other agencies to move in and work.


"Then we could hand the area back into the community and allow them to take responsibility for it with the help of the neighbourhood officers.


"Large gangs of what can be described as feral youths are roaming areas of Merseyside. This is a chance for us to tackle the problem."


The chief constable will discuss it with leaders of Merseyside's councils over the next month but hopes they will back him. The taskforce will start as a year-long trial.


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TWO brothers waged a campaign of terror against a Merseyside community. (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16189516%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=%2dthorns%2din%2dthe%2dside%2dof%2dsoci ety%2d%2dbanged%2dup-name_page.html)

I know I could never afford hundreds to buy one of these dogs, nor could I afford the feeding costs and vets fees etc.:question:
Vets fees will be paid courtesy of the PDSA,
a] If they are on benefits, or
b] If they borrow someone elses benefit book. :cry:

U know- I wonder about these so called deprived kids and the areas they come from. They are certainly deprived of a decent upbringing but never seem deprived of electronic goodies, dogs and things with engines :(

40-strong gang of yobs pelt firemen :mad:

FIREFIGHTERS were pelted with missiles as a 40-strong gang of hooded yobs attacked while they attended a 999 call.

The mob pelted nine firefighters and two of their £125,000 engines with stones, bottles and bricks while shouting abuse and taunting them.


Specialist firefighting equipment was stolen from the back of one engine.


The youths, aged 13 to 17, kicked the engines and lobbed missiles, leaving the vehicles covered in dents and puncture holes in an unrelenting 20-minute attack.

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What can u say?

Vets fees will be paid courtesy of the PDSA,
a] If they are on benefits, or
b] If they borrow someone elses benefit book. :cry:




oh yeah, I never thought of that. :angry:

U know- I wonder about these so called deprived kids and the areas they come from. They are certainly deprived of a decent upbringing but never seem deprived of electronic goodies, dogs and things with engines :(



Quite true Kev! :angry:

40-strong gang of yobs pelt firemen :mad:
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FIREFIGHTERS were pelted with missiles as a 40-strong gang of hooded yobs attacked while they attended a 999 call.

The mob pelted nine firefighters and two of their £125,000 engines with stones, bottles and bricks while shouting abuse and taunting them.
Why oh why aren't the appliances equipped with CCTV? The videos could be shown in local schools and the culprits identified. C'mon let's get tough with this scum.
Perhaps then, some of these young thugs could be caught and made to pay for the damage. :mad:

Rowdy students plague residents

ANTI-social behaviour isn't just about vandalism or gangs of yobs hanging round street corners.

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Rowdy students plague residents

ANTI-social behaviour isn't just about vandalism or gangs of yobs hanging round street corners.

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Students round here have been like that when drunk. On Greebank lane saw drunken ones throwing glass bottles on the road for cars to run over. :doubt:

My old fella worked in Mrytal Court for a few months and the reports about students were shocking, the things they get upto

TEENAGERS set a dog on a six-year-old's cat and used a mobile phone to film it being mauled to death.


They laughed as the dog killed the cat in front of a street of people.

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It's rife unfortunately :sad:

A GANG of youths were rescued from the roof of the disused Venue nightclub in Tuebrook.

Police were called to the old cinema and nightspot complex at 9 o'clock last night after reports that a group were on top of the building.

Firefighters went to the junction of Green Lane and West Derby Road where they used an extended ladder to reach them. The police helicopter was also deployed.

Caught before they could do serious damage by any chance?

:PDT33

A TEENAGER today admitted knifing his friend to death during a play fight.
Peter Hillman, 19, stabbed Alexandras Laou in the chest at a house in King Avenue, Bootle, on April 12 while he was playing with an ornamental knife, Liverpool crown court heard.

19? Play fight? :disgust:

YOBS will be cleared from the streets of a Merseyside estate at night after residents complained of their anti-social behaviour.


Police and Knowsley council have united to make Stockbridge Village safe again.

New powers will allow officers to remove troublemakers from a large part of the area from 6pm to 2am.

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Also........

A SQUAD set up to fight terrorism will help tackle yobs who attack firefighters.

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A TEENAGER today admitted knifing his friend to death during a play fight.
Peter Hillman, 19, stabbed Alexandras Laou in the chest at a house in King Avenue, Bootle, on April 12 while he was playing with an ornamental knife, Liverpool crown court heard.

19? Play fight? :disgust:





The lad who killed his friend while playing with a knife used to be known as "the Bootle Bully". *He was also given an anti-social behaviour order when he was 16 after wreaking havoc in his community. *He threw an axe at an eight-year-old girl and shot a 10-year-old boy with a ball-bearing gun. * He picked on a disabled boy, crashed a motorbike into a police car and threw a garden chair at an elderly couple.

Get onto this crap. David Turner QC, defending, told the court: "Although he may have been a pest, there's no indication this man is a violent man.

Some one is having a laugh

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The prospect of anti-social behaviour orders for the under 10s has been described as "deeply disturbing" by a children's charity.

The NSPCC spoke out after articles in Sunday newspapers suggested the Government's Respect Bill could include plans to introduce 'baby Asbos'.

The papers also suggested problem families may be segregated on guarded estates.

Transport Secretary Alistair Darling has said the Government is "looking at the options available to us" for dealing with disorder caused by children.

He said on ITV's Jonathan Dimbleby programme: "There are many parts of the country in many communities where a lot of problems have been caused by surprisingly young children and we have to ask ourselves how do we deal with that."

However, Downing Street has distanced itself from the reports.

A spokesman said the Government "did not recognise" the proposals and the bill was still being consulted on.

The Mail on Sunday claimed the proposals included a "sin bin" for "neighbours from hell". These would be residential units policed by security guards who could impose curfews and detain residents.

And the Sunday Telegraph suggested Prime Minister Tony Blair had asked for investigations into the 'baby Asbos' for under 10s who repeatedly misbehave.

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What do u think about that?

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The Croxteth Country Park area, a ‘hotspot’ location for anti-social behaviour, has been policed effectively, utilising both high visibility policing and plain clothed officers. A problem identified by the community was the inappropriate use of motorbikes by youths.
As a result, four motorbikes have been seized from the park and surrounding roads. The neighbourhood has implemented Go Karting and Citizenship diversionary activity for ten prominent individuals, six of whom have been issued Anti-Social Behaviour Contracts for this type of nuisance.

Excerpt from Merseyside Police website

...So this is how the yobboes are rewarded... 'Go Karting and Citizenship diversionary activity' -and this is supposed to stop 'em, eh? No way, I'll admit that there's been fewer kids on motor cycles and quad bikes recently, due no doubt to high visibility policing— But now they're back! Last week, two youths on brand new trail bikes roared out of the Park (unregistered, no doubt uninsured, no helmets but wearing masks}- these machines appeared to be more powerful than the police bikes.
Yesterday, two boys with an adult, presumably their father, were entertaining themselves on a full size quad bike and a high powered trail bike, with no consideration for the general public who were using the park at the time. Confiscate the bikes—yes, and let their reward be seeing their precious machines crushed at the local breakers yard. That'll stop 'em.

The police do crush'em I'm told, they warn you though first before they take it off the child/ yoof. Problem is, the warning is forr that particular bike and not against the owner. So what do they do? Put it up for sale and sell it, buy another one. I'm also told that the police are 'advising' kids/ yoofs of 'safe' places where they can go and ride 'legally', a certain number at a time though.

There are no place for these death traps - anyway, lets move onto these expensive dogs that they are all buying, and they say the Benefit System is rife with fraud? Would u believe it (*rolls eyes)

I was ready about this kids that had been riding arouns a park and had been seriously injured at 2am in the morning. The police have criticised the safety of the park, (*rolls eyes again)

I'm also told that the police are 'advising' kids/ yoofs of 'safe' places where they can go and ride 'legally'

Pray tell, how do they get the vehicle to the 'safe place'? Ride it on the roads? :disgust:

Any illegally ridden bike should be automatically crushed, that way, it's taken out of the loop! Unless of course, it is stolen in the first place.

ZERO tolerance, the only way!:unibrow:

Well they're back...Five O'Clock tonight.
What's needed are young, plain clothed cops on unmarked bikes- it's going to be the only way to catch 'em.

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where's that SM?

Where else, Kev? Croxteth park! Since the 'Merseyfest' the police seemed to be clamping down a bit, y'know regular patrols, even cops on trail bikes. But it's all high visibility stuff and as soon as the the scumbags see the the yellow vans or jackets, they're off out the gates and the police let 'em go, for fear that the b*ggers may hurt themselves. No matter that they could kill someone else! Me? I'd ride 'em into a wall.:disgust: :disgust:

It is criminal. The latest figures on young offenders indicate that nine out of ten who are given community punishments reoffend within two years. While admitting that this is “very high” — and higher than last year — the Youth Justice Board is at pains to emphasise that the average of seven offences committed by each youth in that period is an improvement, and that it has met its target for frequency of offending by a “significant margin”. When the main show is such a staggering flop, it takes some cheek to crow about the lighting. It was Rod Morgan, the youth justice chief, who said this summer that young offenders who help to clean up neighbourhoods should have their names commemorated on special plaques. Surely a little less congratulation and a little more discipline is in order.

That is not to deny the very real challenge that this group of persistent offenders poses. The intensive supervision and surveillance programme (ISSP) was created to deal with the hard cases: about 4,000 offenders a year under 19 who have committed at least four crimes in the previous 12 months, or one crime for which an adult could be jailed for 14 years or more. Their profile makes stark reading. Three in ten were allegedly abused as children. More than a quarter have “no main source of educational provision”, persistently playing truant or having been excluded from school. Only 19 per cent were attending a mainstream school before being sentenced. Of those who had already left school, 56 per cent were unemployed. Their joblessness surely has much to do with the fact that the average reading age of these teenagers is that of a ten-year-old.

Functional illiteracy is a form of imprisonment in itself. It is one of the greatest sources of alienation from society. Yet even when the impact on society is so evident, so damaging, it seems beyond the wit of the State to provide the remedy. Yesterday’s Youth Justice Board report portrays local education authorities as slow and often unwilling to provide educational provision for this difficult group of young people. Although such training is a primary objective of the ISSP, there is a struggle to find provision, and some offenders are waiting for six months to get teaching. With such a hole in the programme, ISSP staff admit they find it very hard to fill the required 25 hours a week.

So many of these youngsters will end up in prisons, which — with honourable exceptions such as Feltham Young Offender Institution, highly praised by Ofsted — are so overcrowded that they sacrifice education and rehabilitation in favour of security.

During the period that offenders are in the grip of the State, it is inexcusable not to provide them with basic skills and thus with real incentives to reform. Volunteer mentoring programmes such as Trail Blazers appear to reduce recidivism rates by about a third. The Shannon Trust charity is teaching 1,000 prisoners to read, through mentoring by fellow prisoners. But these bright patches of hope are far too isolated. Criminals should have a chance of continuous, high-quality learning. They should be rewarded for their efforts, and their sentences amended accordingly. It is not too late for society to pick up the pieces: but it needs a clear focus on skills, and the hard graft needed to acquire them.

Source: Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,542-1846376,00.html)

http://scumwatch.blogspot.com

A LIVERPOOL householder has launched an online diary after his home was targeted by yobs in a series of unprovoked attacks.

Security consultant Chris Boyd says he has suffered verbal abuse and had stones thrown at him by a gang of youths who congregate near his home in Croxteth.

He also says his home - and those of his neighbours - have been targeted on an almost nightly basis by youths throwing stones, rocks and eggs and smashing windows.

Now Mr Boyd, 27, has launched a blog (weblog) detailing his experiences and showing photographs of damage caused since the trouble started in September.

He says dozens of people from across the UK have contacted the website - http://scumwatch.blogspot.com - telling him of their similar experiences.

Don't prosecute our young thugs, say family 'experts'

CHILDREN under 16 should rarely be prosecuted for crimes, according to a Government-backed inquiry.

The Commission on Families also said that youngsters under 12 should never be held accountable for their actions, no matter how serious.

If implemented, the move would spare an estimated half a million young burglars, robbers and thugs from criminal prosecution.

Currently, the minimum age of criminal responsibility is 10.

The Commission, under the auspices of the Government's National Planning and Parenting Institute and the national children's home charity, decided that parents should never be allowed to smack their children as it goes against human rights.

The controversial plans were condemned by crime specialists across the country.

A spokesman for the Civitas think-tank claimed that most of those in the criminal justice system wanted to see the age of consent lowered, not raised.

Source: Daily Express

Don't prosecute our young thugs, say family 'experts'

CHILDREN under 16 should rarely be prosecuted for crimes, according to a Government-backed inquiry.

The Commission on Families also said that youngsters under 12 should never be held accountable for their actions, no matter how serious.

If implemented, the move would spare an estimated half a million young burglars, robbers and thugs from criminal prosecution.

Currently, the minimum age of criminal responsibility is 10.

The Commission, under the auspices of the Government's National Planning and Parenting Institute and the national children's home charity, decided that parents should never be allowed to smack their children as it goes against human rights.

The controversial plans were condemned by crime specialists across the country.

A spokesman for the Civitas think-tank claimed that most of those in the criminal justice system wanted to see the age of consent lowered, not raised.

Source: Daily Express
Well I hope THAT never gets implemented :rolleyes: How do they come to These conclusions anyway? Its mad, will they then take responsibility then for these ferrel kids then?

That http://scumwatch.blogspot.com (http://scumwatch.blogspot.com/) website has suddently gone down, I wonder what heppened there?

You get these kids, maybe 14 or 15, wearing hoodies and causing a nuisance

Read: Man killed by his own stolen car (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4465458.stm)

:sad:

That http://scumwatch.blogspot.com (http://scumwatch.blogspot.com/) website has suddently gone down, I wonder what heppened there?


Haha does he go watching scum?

A redistribution of wealth and the overthrow of the capitalist dictatorship we live in would be a start. We are fighting over the crumbs when we should be demanding the the whole cake. It is in the interest of the State to keep us all living in fear and turning working class people against each other. Same with racism, its classic divide and rule. Saying that, if I caught the little T*AT who is going round Liverpool slashing peoples tyres - I would divide his head from his body.
Maybe if they put as much effort into sorting out youth crime as they have done into catching speeding motorists and clamping down on illegal parking they might get somewhere. Then again, theres no money in it for them. Ramble over.

...so these arcade games...DO you reckon they can be fiddled??

Two youths from Netherton, aged 15 and 17, were arrested on Thursday evening. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4468512.stm)

A redistribution of wealth and the overthrow of the capitalist dictatorship we live in would be a start. We are fighting over the crumbs when we should be demanding the the whole cake. It is in the interest of the State to keep us all living in fear and turning working class people against each other. Same with racism, its classic divide and rule. Saying that, if I caught the little T*AT who is going round Liverpool slashing peoples tyres - I would divide his head from his body.
Maybe if they put as much effort into sorting out youth crime as they have done into catching speeding motorists and clamping down on illegal parking they might get somewhere. Then again, theres no money in it for them. Ramble over.

...so these arcade games...DO you reckon they can be fiddled??


Your not talking about communism in the first part of your sentence are you when your saying redistribution?:shock:

Your not talking about communism in the first part of your sentence are you when your saying redistribution?:shock:


The redistribution of wealth does not necessarily entail communism. Besides which, many people do not have a correct understanding of what communism actually is and associate it with the Stalinist regime that was prevalent in USSR after the death of Lenin (not John) which in no way is representative of a true communiist society.

Anyway, like Capitalism has really given us a great society to live in.

Forward to Revolution

The redistribution of wealth does not necessarily entail communism. Besides which, many people do not have a correct understanding of what communism actually is and associate it with the Stalinist regime that was prevalent in USSR after the death of Lenin (not John) which in no way is representative of a true communiist society.

Anyway, like Capitalism has really given us a great society to live in.

Forward to Revolution


Guys like Castro, Lenin, Stalin or that Romanian guy wern't real commies anyway.

Communism wouldn't give us a good society either.

Guys like Castro, Lenin, Stalin or that Romanian guy wern't real commies anyway.

Communism wouldn't give us a good society either.

I think most people would disagree with your statement regarding Lenin. Further, how would you know communism wouldnt give us a better, more just society if it has never truly been implemented? The answer isnt global capitalism obviously as the world is fcked. So what is your alternative?

PS are you worried that under communism game cheats would be executed?
:evil:

The redistribution of wealth does not necessarily entail communism.

Your name is'nt Derek is it by any chance? :unibrow:

:)

Your name is'nt Derek is it by any chance? :unibrow:

:)

:lol: :lol:

I think most people would disagree with your statement regarding Lenin. Further, how would you know communism wouldnt give us a better, more just society if it has never truly been implemented? The answer isnt global capitalism obviously as the world is fcked. So what is your alternative?

PS are you worried that under communism game cheats would be executed?
:evil:

No just that I would hate not to earn more than somebody else even if I worked harder.

No just that I would hate not to earn more than somebody else even if I worked harder.

:confused: That happens under this system NOW! Nurses work hard, so do cleaners, labourers, shop staff and millions of other workers, and yet still many struggle to get by - hard work is no guarantee of decent earnings.

If we were a communist state we'd all be earning the same.

Both have their good and bad points I guess.

Do you think young muggers should be spared jail?

The most senior judge in England and Wales has said young muggers must not automatically be sent to jail. The new Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers, advised that juvenile robbers who used "minimal force" to commit their crimes should never get a custodial sentence.....

Yeah kinda is a waste to throw them in jail for ages for somthing that small. Wastes the taxpayers money for small things like that, community service is better for crimes like that.

Taxpayers money only needs to go towards keeping people in jail who have commited much bigger crimes like Murder or Rape.

They should be made to repay their victims. In this country if you fail to pay your rates the bailiffs come round and take goods from your home.
What should happen to all persistent offenders including teenagers is that they are taken to court and fined and if they don't pay the fine then the bailiffs should turn up.

Eventually the parents of theses kids will soon learn to control them.

Then if they continue, jail them

They should be made to repay their victims. In this country if you fail to pay your rates the bailiffs come round and take goods from your home.
What should happen to all persistent offenders including teenagers is that they are taken to court and fined and if they don't pay the fine then the bailiffs should turn up.

Eventually the parents of theses kids will soon learn to control them.

Then if they continue, jail them

Here here.

Some years ago my wife's aunt, an elderly lady in her seventies had her handbag snatched by some young lowlife. This lady, independent all her life was devastated, not only did this scumbag steal her money and personal effects but he also stole the remaining years of her life because from that moment on she became a recluse, rarely leaving the house. Frightened and depressed, her health deteriorated and eventually she was admitted to hospital with dementia. This is the real cost of 'mugging'.

Most elderly women keep their life in their handbag, irreplaceable mementos, photographs, bus pass, keys - y'know the kind of thing that is of no use to these thugs - that ends up over a wall somewhere.

This is the scum of today's society. Yes, make them work then return them to prison where they belong. High visibility work gangs that's what is required. Let us stop p*ssyfooting around with this dross!

LOCK 'EM AWAY!

THE number of yobs being fined for bad behaviour has rocketed in a police crackdown.

Three months ago, four fixed penalty notices a week were made to under 16s - now it is more than 40.

But as fines increase, the number of calls to police about anti-social behaviour has fallen for the first time since the joint ECHO/ Merseyside police anti-yob campaign was launched six months ago.

Merseyside is one of seven forces in England and Wales in the year-long pilot scheme of fixed penalty notices for 10 to 15-year-olds.

Instead of being arrested and taken into custody offenders are taken home and given a £40 fine in front of their parents or guardians (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16501772%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=huge%2drise%2din%2dfines%2dfor%2dyobs-name_page.html)..........

:)

:confused: That happens under this system NOW! Nurses work hard, so do cleaners, labourers, shop staff and millions of other workers, and yet still many struggle to get by - hard work is no guarantee of decent earnings.

This is true.

But ..

How would communists deal with the work shy ?? How would they deal with those that are determined not to lift a finger to help themselves or the society they live in.

There are far too many of them. Shiftless, and out for all they can screw out of the welfare state. :angry:

ps,

as for 'divide and rule' .. well, you can divide me as far away from the worthles scum as possible. Please.

Re the other thread about standards at an all time low .. it doesn't require money or status to clean up after yourself. The low lifes drag us all down.

There are far too many of them. Shiftless, and out for all they can screw out of the welfare state. :angry:

ps,

as for 'divide and rule' .. well, you can divide me as far away from the worthles scum as possible. Please.

Re the other thread about standards at an all time low .. it doesn't require money or status to clean up after yourself. The low lifes drag us all down.

Oh, Jeez, Here we go again....Light the blue touchpaper and get yer 'ead down! :rolleyes: :)

Er, what DID happen to shelag, we must of frightened her off eh? :lol:

"there is no such thing as society" - Margaret Thatcher (1987) :slywink:

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/dec2005/1/4/000AD0FF-BFAA-13A7-93230C02AC1BF824.jpg


TWO brothers who terrorised a Merseyside community have been given a three-year extension to their Anti-Social Behaviour Order.


Jordan and Ashley Gelling, from Devonshire Road, Southport, became the first in Sefton to be given Asbos for their part in a drunken gang attack in 2002.


It followed a reign of terror from the two brothers - and their older brother James, now 17 - who between them committed a catalogue of offences including robbery, theft and assault.


But less than two weeks after the order was made the pair, aged 14 and 15, were back in court for stealing money from other children....... (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16504399%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=brothers%2din%2dreign%2dof%2dterror-name_page.html)

Evil :disgust:

I noticed this morning that by New Heys School, the shops by there...the lovely flower tubs that had been put there to tidy up the area have been thrown all over the show....:angry:

Oh, Jeez, Here we go again....Light the blue touchpaper and get yer 'ead down! :rolleyes: :)

Er, what DID happen to shelag, we must of frightened her off eh? :lol:


It's true though SM ;)

They are just wrecking everything. Anything they can destroy they do destroy. We have had vandalism before but nothing on this scale. People have just packed up because of this. We all worry what we are going to find when we come up here in the morning. I am not going anywhere, though. I will not give in to these vandals.

50 years looking after our allotments - but now yobs are making our lives hell.... (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16509437%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=50%2dyears%2dlooking%2dafter%2dour%2dal lotments%2d%2d%2dbut%2dnow%2dyobs%2dare%2dmaking%2 dour%2dlives%2dhell-name_page.html)

:sad:

I'm not gonna' read it Kev, it's just too depressing and it makes me SO MAD :angry:

Curfew plan to control unruly children

Tearaway children will be subject to tough control orders and night-time curfews even before they commit a criminal offence under a new drive against anti-social behaviour.

Schools and other authorities in England and Wales will be given the power to apply for parenting orders to control unruly children.

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Tony Blair: Tough

Parents of problem children under 10, who cannot be taken to court, or of older children who are at risk of offending, will face orders compelling them to attend behavioural classes.

Under measures to be introduced next month, the authorities would be able to intervene when they suspected a child was having problems, not once an offence had been committed.

Tony Blair wants action to be taken before an offence has been committed or a child excluded from school, as is currently the case.

If children are showing a "propensity" to get involved in anti-social behaviour, he wants parenting orders to be imposed before they go "off the rails".

Mr Blair is putting an intensified campaign against anti-social behaviour at the top of his domestic agenda for the coming year.

He believes that traditional courts are "too cumbersome" to tackle low-level disorder and he wants to see a major extension of the parenting order system.

The orders, which are backed up by a threat of a fine or even a jail sentence, require parents of troublesome children to attend parenting lessons, make their children attend school and ensure they obey curfews.

Parents will also be required to ensure that children attend literacy or numeracy clubs, or programmes dealing with anger management or drug or alcohol misuse.

Parenting orders can also stop children visiting areas such as shopping centres, or require them to stay at home at night under supervision.

Parents can be forced by the order to accept support and advice on how to bring discipline to their child's life. They can also be compelled to attend school meetings to deal with misbehaviour.

Mr Blair wants a wider range of authorities to be able to apply for parenting orders, including housing officers and anti-social behaviour teams. Schools will be allowed to apply under separate action to improve school discipline.

Such orders currently apply only to the parents of teenagers who have been subject to anti-social behaviour orders or have broken the law.

The "respect agenda" is expected to define anti-social behaviour as much more than just crime, stressing the need to tackle the root causes of problem behaviour before laws get broken.

Mr Blair will argue that it is about changing the culture of the country "to put the law-abiding majority back in charge of their communities". He acknowledges that anti-social behaviour blights the lives of many people.

He is also considering appointing a Cabinet minister in direct charge of the "respect agenda".

Hazel Blears, the Home Office minister currently dealing with anti-social behaviour, could be promoted to the Cabinet Office to fill a position that has been vacant since the mini-reshuffle that followed the second resignation of David Blunkett.

The Prime Minister has wanted for some time to remove responsibility for the anti-social behaviour unit, headed by Louise Casey, from the Home Office so that it can report directly to him.

He believes that the Home Office is too cautious and reluctant to embrace radical ideas to tackle anti-social behaviour.

David Davis, the Conservative home affairs spokesman, said Mr Blair's respect agenda was a series of "headline-grabbing crackdowns and gimmicks".

Source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/26/nasbo26.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/12/26/ixportaltop.html)...

SHOPS that sell alcohol to young people will be targeted by the Government after a record number of children were admitted to hospital with drink-related problems, The Times has learnt.

A 20-year restriction on sting operations is being lifted to help to catch retailers selling alcohol to under-18s after the introduction of round-the-clock opening.

There has been a 13.2 per cent increase in the number of children admitted to casualty in a year because of binge drinking, according to Department of Health figures seen by The Times. A record 4,501 were treated in hospital in 2004 for alcohol-related problems.

Concern is growing that more under-18s than ever will binge-drink over the new year weekend. Many shops are preparing to open for 36 hours and poorly paid workers on overnight shifts will be expected to enforce the age limit.

Supermarkets and off-licences have been identified as serial offenders, with 48 per cent of supermarkets found selling alcohol to under-18s in an undercover operation conducted before the licensing laws changed. The heads of Tesco and Sainsbury have been called to see Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, to explain their approach to the problem.

The increase in under-age drinking has put the Government on the defensive. It is to change sting operation rules to catch stores selling alcohol to under-18s by asking children to lie about their age when challenged by shop staff.

Trading standards officers who oversee “test purchasing” operations say that existing restrictions make such stings unrealistic and convictions harder to secure. No child trying to buy alcohol would freely admit to being under 18, they say.

A huge consultation exercise, approved by Government, has been started by the Local Authorities Co-ordinators of Regulatory Services (Lacors), which oversees the guidance banning minors in sting operations from lying about their age.

At the same time, Liverpool City Council has become the first local authority to break these guidelines openly, having consulted the Crown Prosecution Service, the Association of Chief Police Officers, Merseyside Police and child psychologists.

The result of the Lacors consultation seems in little doubt after the Department for Culture, Media and Sport praised Liverpool’s move.
The Home Office has also suggested that the Government is keen for the change, saying: “It’s all very well saying don’t lie about your age but it’s not realistic.”

This opens the way for thousands of supermarkets and off-licences to be prosecuted for flouting the law, with police extending the alcohol misuse enforcement campaign into the new year for the first time.

Tessa Jowell, the Culture secretary, told The Times: “The quid pro quo is flexible licensing hours means tougher protection for young and vulnerable people.”

Politicians from all parties have voiced concern about the effect of the new licensing laws before New Year’s Eve.

Andrew Lansley, the Shadow Health Minister, said: “The culture of under-age drinking is deeply concerning. The negative repercussions for families and public health are huge. More than 30,000 teenagers a year face criminal convictions for being drunk and disorderly on our streets.

Relaxed licensing laws will do nothing to improve the situation”. Don Foster, the Liberal Democrat culture spokesman, said: “People are serving alcohol without adequate training, without adequate support. We haven’t even got a uniform policy about when ID must be produced and what form it should take.”

Trading standards officers say that they have taken a number of precautions with the new approach. Legal advisers said that those involved in the sting must give the target “an unexceptional opportunity” to make a sale.

The Crown Prosecution Ser-vice said that the child would not be prosecuted for obtaining alcohol by criminal deception because there was no dis- honesty involved.

Shopowners are considering legal challenges in the event of a prosecution. David Rae, chief executive of the Association of Convenience Stores, said: “This sort of activity is clearly designed to entrap retailers and staff, and is not acceptable.”

Your comments are welcome

I had my first pub experience when I was 15 in the Paletine, Garston. Brought my mate down from Aigburth, we had about 4 pints under the watchful eye of Norman - The Landlord, then got off. My mate was sick on the train :p:$ik:

Then the drinking progressed to a regular saturday night down Old Swan when I was 16/17 years of age.

Its different these days though, even at the young age we were, we could still behave ourselves after a drink, we still had respect etc even on the train we were as quiet as mice...we never hung around anywhere causing grief. We did those things when we were about 10 lol.

I've been told of an offy on The High Sreet Wavertree that sells alcohol to kids, openly :disgust:

LIVERPOOL parks are being turned into no-go areas for animal lovers by gangs of troublemakers using savage dogs to attack pets. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16526034%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=fears%2dmount%2din%2dcity%2dparks%2dove r%2ddog%2dattacks%2don%2dpets%2d-name_page.html)

:sad::sad::angry:

UNDERCOVER police are being drafted in to end vandal attacks on buses.

CCTV cameras have been installed to catch vandals and record images that can be used to prosecute them.

more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16526838%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=undercover%2dcops%2d%2dwar%2don%2dbus%2 dthugs-name_page.html)...

Not just the parks either. It's been like this for a long time, but getting worse.
There are loads of these thugs hanging around with dogs runing loose with no lead on. I got attacked recently .. 'bout 3 or 4 weeks before Christmas. I wasn't actually 'set upon', but the dog in question was running loose - (on the main road), charged at me and my dog, there was a big dog fight, and of course no one in control of the other dog. A guy ran over and picked up my dog for me and held her up in the air until the idiots ran off with their dog (which nearly ran under a taxi).
I have a Staffie myself, she's a gorgeous dog - we got her from the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Rescue .. they are a marvellous rescue who pick up the pieces left by these gormless idiots who like to train these dogs for bad purposes. The breed is much maligned because of it. They are gorgeous dogs if treated right. The trouble now is that the idiots are cross breeding and producing these PitBull types. You should see the sad cases that end up in the Staffie rescue. It's a terrible shame that the scumbag classes have chosen this breed of dog to drag into the gutter along with themselves.
Anyway, because of the irresponsible lads hanging about with them, I try to get my dog out for her walks during the mornings (while the scumbags are still stinking in their beds) .. we can usually get around unmolested. Walking out later in the day you'll see them appearing from out of the woodwork after 1 or 2 o'clock'ish. Best to avoid them. I have my eyes peeled at all times when I'm out walking with my dog. If I see any lads with dogs I avoid them like the plague.

Okay, I can post threads/ reports of teen thuggish behaviour, assaults, harassment, antisocial behaviour all day. A country wide problem we all know about but when are the powers that be going to decide that enough's enough and act with a serious attempt to come down on 'em like 'tonne of bricks'?

I don't think it can get much worse. Any attempt to sort the violence etc out is only working to a limited extent. Meanwhile everyone can/ should consider themselves a fair game for these gangs.

What choices have the Government to sort it out? What should be done? Why isnt it being sorted? What ever it is, have your say.

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Too much namby pambying around these days.
You can't give em a belt for breaking into your car because they will sue you.

A copper cannot grab them in a rough manner or they will lodge a complaint of assault.

We are on the road to nowhere with our laws and lifestyles because we now answer to Europe, that great beacon of hope for trade and commerce. Taking on the might of the USA and other countries in business and world trade was the idea behind Europe, becoming one with our fellow neighbours and getting a better deal for Europe.

Now our neighbours tell us what we can and can't put into our laws while they do what the hell they want.

Sorry do i sound cynical here.

It makes me want to :$ik:

Sorry do i sound cynical here.
Nope! You're just stating what most people feel. (perhaps that should be No 'ope?)
:sad:

Enough's enough when almost a third of my hard earned wages are lost in Tax, Ni and pension and for what? What the point? :ninja:

Join the war to stop the yobs
Jan 5 2006
By Michelle Fiddler, Liverpool Echo

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MERSEYSIDERS are being urged to stand up and be counted in the fight against thugs.

The Home Office, in partnership with Crime Concern and the Co-op, has launched the Taking a Stand Awards 2006 to recognise courage in tackling yob behaviour.

Winners will be invited to an awards ceremony and be given £1,000 in prize money to spend on improvements to their local area.

James McLoughlin, 58, from Belle Vale, won an award last year after he tackled gangs of 12 to 20 youths who raced cars, set fire to bins, targeted the elderly, misused fireworks, smashed windows and vandalised cars.

The father of four said: "The estate has always had problems. But from about 2003 it got really bad. There were always cars racing up and down the street, then they started targeting pensioners.

"It got to a situation where there was nowhere for kids to go and they were hanging round the streets picking on vulnerable people. They used to put fireworks on the window sills of pensioners' homes and set fire to bins.

"It just got too much. I just thought enough was enough and I told them to cut it out, but I didn't deal with it on my own.

"We got people to come forward and gave them anti-social behaviour diaries."

Mr McLoughlin's campaign eventually saw 12 yobs sign up to acceptable behaviour contracts and five given asbos.

He said: "As a result of that it went quiet. There are still sporadic incidents and it is not 100%, but now as soon as something happens it is dealt with.

"I was surprised when I was nominated for the Take a Stand Award. I have been involved with community issues for 34 years and have experience of working with youths.

"I didn't want my area to turn into a ghetto but I realised that if someone did not take a stand, it would deteriorate."

RECLAIM THE STREETS - WHAT YOU CAN DO

* If you believe you, or your family or someone else are in imminent danger because of anti-social behaviour, ring 999.

* If you are prepared to talk in strictest confidence to the ECHO about your experiences of anti-social behaviour, contact our hotline on 0151-330 4975, leaving your name and contact details. Your personal details will not be shared with any third party without your consent.

* Alternatively, email your own personal stories to us at reclaim@liverpoolecho.co.uk

* If you want to give information about anti-social behaviour anonymously contact the Crimestoppers line on 0800 555 111.

* You can also send your mobile phone pictures or video footage to webmaster@merseyside.police.uk or text them to 07835 860 991.

* If you want to speak to a law enforcement officer from the Liverpool Anti Social Behaviour Unit contact their hotline on 0151-233 3018.

ECHO essentials

TO nominate someone for an award call 0800 0852980, email takingastand@crimeconcern.org.uk, or visit www.takingastand.org or pop into your local Co-op store to pick up a form.

The deadline for nominations is January 13, 2006.

Source: icLiverpool (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16550624%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26page=1%26headline=join%2dthe%2dwar%2dto%2dstop%2 dthe%2dyobs-name_page.html)

See here:

Yobs set terrier on livestock (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16589618%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=horror%2das%2dnew%2dborn%2dcalves%2dkil led%2dby%2ddog%2din%2dcity%2dpark-name_page.html) - and this is only the begining of what seems like a sickeningh 'craze'. Will the assault on our lives ever end?

I say yes, all under 18's should be banned from having these dogs. Or they should be licensed.

Be licensed will at least keep on eye on them and some can be trusted with them so a license might not be so bad.

Man last friday when I had to go out looking for my dog I had to be careful in Sefton park as there were tons of teenagers and they even brought there dogs with them.:shock:

Maybe they should have to compulsary muzzle their dogs in public, or face on the spot fines. And also is'nt it a local council bylaw that all dogs should be on a leash and under control in public spaces ?

ALL dogs should be kept on a lead.

If only there was a way to stop these thugs having these dogs. But it will never be possible though because the idiot parents must let them out with the dogs in the first place. Often the parents have bought the dogs for them.

I am a Staffie owner and I HATE these barbarians terrorising neighbourhoods with their dogs. It is sick and evil the way they are setting them onto other animals. No where is safe from them.
Not only that, but Bull breeds are getting penalised because of it. People are starting to despise the sight of a Staffie and other Bull breeds. It's not fair on the dogs. They are wonderful dogs in the RIGHT hands. They need firm training and reponsible ownership.
As I said before, the dog rescues have to pick up the pieces of this much maligned breed- the dogs are often cruelly treated by these thugs when 'training' them to fight and bait other animals - and often abandoned when the novelty wears off. It sickens me. I get so angry about it.
I got my dog from the Staffie rescue, they are tireless and dedicated to rescuing these dogs. I get their monthly mag and you should read some of the terrible cases. This breed of dog are suffering because of these mindless morons.

I don't even walk my own Staffie in certain places now because of these yobs. I walk my dog early in the morning before the lowlife are out of their beds.

I have a cross English myself, and have had Staffs since being a child, fantastic dogs, great temperment.

And your right Lindy, bad and cruel owners ruin dogs.


We need a HEAVY hand of justice to slap some sense into these lout and thug owners. :PDT_Armat

We need a HEAVY hand of justice to slap some sense into these lout and thug owners. :PDT_Armat
Its the only way, its gone way to far for *****footing around. Thats all thats happened for the last 15/20 years.

I makes me so sad when I drive around after 6pm in the dark from the shops and its like - gang of lads there, gang of lads over there and guess what? A nother gang there. I saw this group whilst out must have been about 12 years of age with a dog, just standing there, by a bus shelter.

No one gives a monkeys and all that happens is more and more people stay in, feel insecure, confused etc, etc whist they gangs think they can get away with behaving in anyway they want including criminal behaviour, because they can.

Please dont get me wrong or be offended if you own what these groups have in the way of possessions because I have my own material items and used to buy expensive clothes when I could afford them but theyve got the dogs, quads, bikes, mobile phones, £200 tracksuits, £100 trainees, the BB guns, the knives etc etc etc life must be one big laugh. Is there no end to their income? £££

Its been a while since my last post but what the hell....

QUAD biking hooligans in one of Liverpool's busiest parks have been chased down - by police on bikes including quads .

The police initiative has helped reduce thuggish and nuisance behaviour by 80% in the Mystery, off Prince Alfred Road in Wavertree, after a barrage of complaints from local residents. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16651798%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=quad%2dbiking%2dpolice%2dchase%2ddown%2 dhooligans%2din%2dpark-name_page.html)

GIVING teachers more power to discipline unruly children will heap more pressure on school staff, Liverpool education officials said today.

The government wants teachers to use "reasonable force" to stop teenagers behaving badly on public transport and in the street.

Ministers also want to give teach-ers the right to confiscate mobile phones and music players in class.

Cllr Paul Clein, Liverpool's executive member for education, said: "This is going to place yet another burden on teachers, who already have a stressful time.

"I think it would be more productive to encourage parents to teach good manners to their children, which is often missing these days."

Julie Lyon-Taylor from the National Union of Teachers' Liverpool branch said: "Most teachers will intervene if they see pupils misbehaving outside school.

"But I worry it will become an obligation, and teachers are quite fearful of being accused of doing something wrong.

"It's all very well telling teachers to confiscate things like mobiles and iPods if they're being used in class, but what happens if the child refuses to hand it over? Will it end up in an undignified tussle? "

Schools minister Jacqui Smith was due to set out more details of new legal rights for teachers today.

The statutory right to punish pupils will extend beyond the school gates under the plan.

This will ensure teachers have the power to deal with poor discipline on the way to school on buses and trains, officials say.

Ms Smith said: "It's easy to lose sight of the fact that pupil behaviour in the majority of schools is good for most of the time.

"But it takes only a handful of poorly-behaved pupils to make life difficult for teachers and disrupt the education of other pupils.

"Our proposals will send a strong message to parents and pupils that a culture of disrespect and failure to take responsibility won't be tolerated."

nick.coligan@liverpool.com

'More duties could put people off from teaching'

IT consultant Richard Simons, 29, said: "Inside school I think it's great if teachers have more power.

"But I don't agree with them arresting children outside the school gates."

Student Toni Clift, 19, from Bootle, said: "It's a bad thing for the teachers because it's putting more weight on their jobs.

"It's turning them into police officers."

IT consultant William Lee, 30, from Huyton, said: "It could put people off doing the job when it's difficult enough to recruit already.

"I think they should go back to being more strict."

Cashier Sam Clift, 21, from Bootle, said: "I had my phone confiscated at school because it was a disruption. It was fair, so why not give them the power to take phones away?"

I'm interested to get your views on this......

I think kids of today have no respect what so ever and I believe in a quick slap for offending kids... well more the cain or strap, and all you tree hugging lentil eating swampies want to try living in an area like belle vale, dodge or norris green for a week... you will soon change your attitude about giving kids the benefit of the doubt and not using corporal punnishment.

Ultimately I think teachers should have more power...

Society has gone soft on these thuggish little turds (the minority not the majority).

Teachers definately should be given more power. We should return to the cain or strap.

Ok, I wasn't an angel ... I giggled and talked in class ..... even hid in the toilets from PE !! (re other thread) ..... but still and all, we had some fear of authority and respect for teachers. We certainly did not challenge adults like they do now. We got caught bunking off PE - and boy was I quaking in my boots ! I was terrified of our deputy head .... and also of what my mum & dad would say when I got home ! We wouldn't dare to dish out abuse and cheek.

I think kids of today have no respect what so ever and I believe in a quick slap for offending kids... well more the cain or strap, and all you tree hugging lentil eating swampies want to try living in an area like belle vale, dodge or norris green for a week... you will soon change your attitude about giving kids the benefit of the doubt and not using corporal punnishment.

Ultimately I think teachers should have more power...

Society has gone soft on these thuggish little turds (the minority not the majority).

I agree ....... we've got plenty of these thuggish little so & so's around here in Anfield. If the do-gooders had to contend with what we have to, they wouldn't be so quick in their defence.

well said :D you two :)

Like a cain or slap is going to scare kids today!

What will you do if they strike back?

Teenagers are growing into mosnters these days as there huge some of them, they wouldn't be all small and defenceless like some think!

Some teachers in my experiance don't deserve respect as alot don't take their job seriously although it also the students fault.

Theirs the face of knifes too.

I think that teachers should be given more power to discipline kids.
Kids need to learn to respect their elders and this is taught at home!

Like Lindy I sagged off PE many times and would be terrified in case I was seen by any neighbours etc
I got caught smoking at school was terrified again at what would happen to me... with my teachers, my parents and my friends parents etc
That sort of fear needs to be instilled in these unruley kids again, there is just no respect.

My childless opinion for all it's worth.

Like a cain or slap is going to scare kids today!

What will you do if they strike back?

Leather them into next week!
Thats what scared me as a kid, getting a hiding off your parents when you got in. I was off the rails and very rebelious at times, I deserved a smacked arse.... ask bigmama on here, she will tell you :D

Take away the right to clip kids around the ear, great, let them run wild.
Sheesh, can't kids divorce their parents now for even so much as a dirty look.

Slapping your kids arse is not abuse.

Behaviour Improvement Programme
Under the Behaviour Improvement Programme (BIP) - a key part of the £470 million National Behaviour and Attendance Strategy - local education authorities (LEAs) will be granted funds to develop a package of measures to improve behaviour and attendance.....

Background: In July 2002, the Department for Education and Skills allocated £50 million under phase one of the Behaviour Improvement Programme to the 34 local education authorities with the highest levels of crime and truancy. Between two and four secondary schools together with their ‘feeder’ primary schools in each authority are participating in the programme, covering a total of 130 secondary schools, 555 primary schools and over 300,000 pupils.

Behaviour Education Support Teams (BEST) in Liverpool
Liverpool local education authority used the BIP money to fast track development of multi-agency links it was already making with its Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services (CAHMS). As a consequence of this relationship Liverpool BESTs include CAMHS workers – mental health provision was one of the gap areas that the schools and the LEA had identified as essential in tackling poor behaviour and attendance. Ofsted recently evaluated Liverpool’s programme and praised the strong multi agency working being carried out under the BIP’s auspices.

Source (http://www.governornet.co.uk/cropArticle.cfm?topicAreaId=3&contentId=561&mode=further)

As this was posted in September 2003, are we to assume that chucking money at the problem didn't work?

Aren't the children's parents responsible for their offspring's behaviour outside school?

If you were a teacher would you cane a kid for misbehaviour and risk being assaulted by some moronic parent (or 'child'), or even risk being prosecuted and possibly lose your livelihood?

There's no way I would! ...But then there's no way I'd be a teacher!

Slapping your kids arse is not abuse.:lol::evil:

Leather them into next week!
Thats what scared me as a kid, getting a hiding off your parents when you got in. I was off the rails and very rebelious at times, I deserved a smacked arse.... ask bigmama on here, she will tell you :D

Take away the right to clip kids around the ear, great, let them run wild.
Sheesh, can't kids divorce their parents now for even so much as a dirty look.

Slapping your kids arse is not abuse.


Kids are different though and it won't scare all of them.

Not abuse no but whatif they strike back is the problem of this.

Kids are different though and it won't scare all of them.

Not abuse no but whatif they strike back is the problem of this.

Then they get reprimanded.... do we have to make supernanny compulsary now??

Nope, just that being careful about this would be good.

Liverpool Teachers do a great job in managing children's unruly behavour in school for 6 hours a day and beyond, the problem is that as soon as they are outside the school gates, there are no boundaries, no expectations from some parents etc.

Never seen many Teachers do a great job.:disgust:

Throwing them in rooms gets them angrier like detentions or referal rooms etc.

Liverpool Teachers do a great job in managing children's unruly behavour in school for 6 hours a day and beyond, the problem is that as soon as they are outside the school gates, there are no boundaries, no expectations from some parents etc.

In my experience, all primary.

I don't know how the problem is ever going to be cured. The situation has gone too far to be rescued now.

In theory I would like to see punishment returned to our schools, but I can't see how that can ever be possible now with laws and so called 'human rights'.
It's true what Scousemouse says .. would you risk caning a pupil knowing the risks. (moronic parents etc). It's a lot to put on the shoulders of our teachers.

A friend of mine who is a music teacher in a senior school tells me how, at times, it's impossible to do his job and teach. The pupils are just so far out.
He tells me that it often gets him down - it can make his job pretty depressing sometimes.

There's no way I could be a teacher. Certainly not these days the way things are.

It'd be hard for primary kids to strike back but not the secondary school kids though so you'd need to be more careful.

Adults can't hear it at all, but to teenagers it sounds like the highpitched buzzing of a very annoying insect. Which makes a machine called the Mosquito the perfect weapon against anti-social yobs. Councils and businesses are mounting the hi-tech devices in shops and malls and seeing shoplifters and noisy gangs melt away, but is this ethical?...

Anyone who has ears can hear it.:doubt:

Well, I'm sure I would hear it :confused:

Well, I'm sure I would hear it :confused:

Can u not hear it?

Can u not hear it?

:lol:

WIRRAL Council and local politicians plan to "ask the audience" about how to deal with anti-social behaviour in a Who Wants to Be A Millionaire-style vote. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16724324%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=ask%2dthe%2daudience%2dplan%2dfor%2dfig ht%2don%2danti%2dsocial%2dmenace-name_page.html)

:rolleyes:

Is that your fianl answer?

But we don't want to give you that.

Parents of problem children under 10, who cannot be taken to court, or of older children who are at risk of offending, will face orders compelling them to attend behavioural classes.
So how does that proverb go?... You can take a horse to water, but you can't....
Don't they just make you :$ik:

No doubt the Human Rights crowd will be making very audible sounds soon. :sad:

No doubt the Human Rights crowd will be making very audible sounds soon. :sad:

yeah, they probably will too :disgust:

Can you imagine it... Kids with ipods, deaf as a post, claiming these sirens have damaged their hearing!
:unibrow: :)

Can you imagine it... Kids with ipods, deaf as a post, claiming these sirens have damaged their hearing!
:unibrow: :)


Could of a alot of claims going in because of hearing damage.

I have to say, I reckon over the past week youth crime in the Croccie area must have plumented.

There is at least 3 police cars out at all times at the moment, and everybody under the age of 25 seems to be being stopped and questions. Went out to Asda last night and saw some bloke being questioned by police. Came back and another 6 youths were being detained and questioned by another umpteen officiers.

If you want to see where you Council Tax is going, come and have a quick drive round Croccie!

I'm guessing its in response to all the shootings, but its made me a little happier. Although not looking forward to when they just up and leave, which can't be too far off....

The police did something similar in garston

it was on The bigger picture with graham norton, it didnt work that well

they could try installing a human size florescent fly killer for teenagers instead. have you ever noticed how teenagers are attracted to the light coming from an offy? it would definately work and remove the need for asbo's. that would see shoplifters and noisy gangs melt away in a much more spectacular style that I'd pay to see. :thumbsup:

NEARLY six months the ECHO launched the Reclaim our Neighbourhoods campaign to encourage the people of Merseyside to stand up and be counted against yobs. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16754095%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=i%2dam%2dvery%2dgrateful%2dfor%2dall%2d you%2dhave%2ddone-name_page.html) ;)

Exclusive By James Glover & Mike Hornby, Liverpool Echo

TWO gangs of teenagers hurl insults at one another across a city street - then a gunshot rings out. A teenage boy stands outside a city school, selling wraps of heroin.

Welcome to the world of the Croxteth Crew and the Strand Crew where casual violence is a way of life, guns can be hired from "lending libraries" to settle feuds, and drug dealing is a way of earning a wage.

The clashes that today cause bloodshed and fear trace their roots back to playground rivalry at gang members' old schools.

An historic turf war between youths has turned streets into battlegrounds and parks into no-go zones.

Croxteth and Norris Green have been the hub of the region's gun crime in the past year despite the efforts of Merseyside police's anti-gun Matrix unit and local officers.

Shootings are becoming all too common.

On average, since January last year, one teenager every month has been blasted with gunfire on the estates - 14 victims in 14 months.

Another 11 people have been shot in the area during the same period, but the real victims are those residents forced to stay in their homes for fear that they could be caught up in the bloodshed.

At the heart of the problem are the two teenage gangs, whose playground feuds have escalated into turf wars over drugs.

About 20 youngsters, all white and aged between 14 and 17, are involved, carrying firearms equipped with home-made bullets.

Detectives say their parents are encouraging the gang members to refuse to speak to police when they get shot.

Officers meet with a wall of silence from locals too frightened of repercussions to speak out.

Ask anyone in the neighbourhoods about the gangs and you're likely to be met with the same reaction: "I know nothing".

But locals do know the places to avoid after dark:

* The area outside St Teresa's primary school in Sedgemoor Road is a known pitch for young gang members to sell drugs. After the school closes and pupils and teachers have left, the entrance becomes an unofficial trading post for the teen dealers on bikes who take orders by phone and then ride off to get the amount of drugs wanted.

* Phone boxes in Lorenzo Drive, in Norris Green are used as a base for teenage drug dealers setting up scores for addicts.

* The phone box on the corner of the bustling Broadway shopping parade - just yards from busy Townsend Avenue - is the latest pick-up point for the heroin-selling youths.

What people living in Croxteth and Norris Green cannot predict is where the next drug-dealing pitch will be set up - it could be yards from their home or their child's school - or when the shootings between the gangs will spread to their doorsteps.

Local parks such as that off Swin-brook Green have been abandoned to the gangs.

Younger children are ordered by their parents to stay close to their homes rather than venture near where the gangs hang out, and where children as young as 12 have been seen smoking cannabis.

Adults keep themselves to themselves and maintain a silence when police visit homes investigating the latest shooting incident.

Being caught informing to police - or even being accused of informing - could cost them dearly.

That climate of fear, where even regular police patrols cannot coax residents into surrendering a snippet of information, allows the drug gangs to ride around the estate in relative freedom.

They feel secure there will never be a witness willing to go on-therecord to police or the ECHO.

One resident said: "I feel like going out and having a go at them but you know it will only lead to you having your windows done in.

"They smashed up all the cars in my road last year just because they felt like it. Just think what they'd do if they thought we were speaking to the police.

"Everyone knows who is involved in this war over drugs but no-one wants to get involved."

Another woman added: "They're on the corner, by the shop or in the garden of the empty house round the corner.

"They are always there, waiting to recruit some poor kid who is just bored and looking for excitement.

"That's how it starts, God knows where it will end."

The gang war is more about personalities than streets.

A former council housing officer, who worked in Croxteth for eight years, said: "Both gangs want to tie up the whole area and then move on to the next.

"Whoever comes out on top will be eyeing up the next expansion of their business, over Queens Drive or the East Lancs," he said.

"The only people who are safe are those at the top, who have made so much money they can move away and direct the business from afar."

Following the gangland wars, which have taken place on and off for the past 15 years, it's believed there are now just six key drugs gangs operating in and around the city.

Some areas remain in the hands of the same families which have dominated since the 1980s, other families have lost out.

james.glover@liverpool.com

Police determined to prevent bloodshed as firearms on rise

GUN CRIME in Merseyside is escalating towards the levels seen in London at the height of the capital's gang wars, police fear.

Senior officers are determined to prevent bloodshed in Croxteth and Norris Green, saying the situation has now come to mirror that in Hackney five years ago.

New assistant chief constable Patricia Gallan - who served for years on the streets of Hackney as a PC and later as a detective - said Liverpool's problems were worse as the troublemakers involved were so much younger. She has the task of tackling the issue head on - starting with finding the area's infamous gun libraries and closing them down.

She said: "It's more concerning in Liverpool even than it was in Hackney because the kids involved are that much younger here.

"The value of life when you are 14, 15 or 16 isn't as high as when you are an adult.

"These kids seem to think it is OK to carry a firearm when they go out.

It isn't.

"We need to get a grip of the situation now so that mothers on Merseyside don't suffer the pain of losing their sons the way mothers in Hackney did.

"In London people were being shot for no good reason. The thing that changed everything was when the community started to help us."

My third day in Liverpool was Saturday. While walking down Islington Road on Saturday night (7 pm), some stupid 10-year-oldish hoodlum at a bus stop decided to pelt the back of my head with a rock. This was after he finished impressing his mate by shouting out to him every obscenity he could think of as loud as his lungs could carry them. Of course there were no police there, or anywhere close nearby, to report the incident. The child's parents were missing, but considering how many problems this kid obviously has, it may have been a relief for them to have been away from him on a Saturday night.

If this is what happened on my third day in city centre, I can hardly imagine what people living here have to go through on a daily and weekly basis. I feel I got off lucky, since the rock did no damage.

What the heck do you guys do when this short of juvenile delinquent behaviour befalls you? You can't talk to these kids like they're rationale adults (They are obviously irrational and childish morons) and often there are no responsible adults nearby to reprimand. :angry:

Sorry you experienced this vile behaviour first hand.
What can be said ?? It's terrible and it makes you feel ashamed of your city.

It's not our wonderful city of Liverpool that is to blame, but the low- lifes that drag our name through the mud. :disgust: Unfortunately it is a nationwide problem across the UK form what I see and hear on the news programs. The kids are just totally out of control.

Sorry you experienced this vile behaviour first hand.
What can be said ?? It's terrible and it makes you feel ashamed of your city.

It's not our wonderful city of Liverpool that is to blame, but the low- lifes that drag our name through the mud. :disgust: Unfortunately it is a nationwide problem across the UK form what I see and hear on the news programs. The kids are just totally out of control.

It is very much a nation wide problem and needs a heavy handed approach to deal with it.

I heard on the way to work that the gov are going to reward children with vouchers for being good. Eeek! Alarm bells ringing already :rolleyes:

If this is a scheme to reward the good kids in schools with the vouchers then Im all for it. its been a case for far too long that the disruptive, aggresive kids get the special attention and days out and the good kids just get left to plod along. It even happens in classes every day. The disruptive kids get rewarded with the teachers attention while the decent kids that want to learn are just left sitting there while the teacher deals with the ones causing the trouble. No wonder standards are going down in our schools, its all the time the teachers spend sending kids out and keeping them out that is wasted when it could have been spent teaching willing kids.

POLICE have a new weapon in the war on Merseyside's yobs.

All the passengers on an ordinary looking bus are plain-clothes police officers targeting yobs who throw bricks at traffic.

The Trojan bus, a mobile police station named after the legendary wooden horse carrying Greeks in to attack Troy, went on first patrol in Liverpool last night.

The officers' main targets were gangs who throw paving slabs, concrete and bricks at vehicles in Scotland and Stanley Roads.

Among other incidents last night were: [25cf] Seizure of a motorbike.

* Five arrests for possession of a controlled drug.

* Four fixed penalties for disorder.

* Seizure of £200 of cannabis.

* 20 stop forms issued to people officers questioned.

* 12 Section 30 warnings.

Officers posed as passengers as the bus did a loop of the worst affected areas.

Behind a safety screen of toughened glass, police watched for known trouble-makers, with a video camera to catch them in the act.

A CCTV van, street CCTV cameras and officers on the ground were also in the area.

Inspector Nick Mills said: "The aim is to find the people who smash windows and catch them in the act"

Parts of Scotland Road have been designated a Section 30 zone, which gives police the power to disperse groups of youths. If they return within 24 hours they can be arrested.

POLICE have a new weapon in the war on Merseyside's yobs.

All the passengers on an ordinary looking bus are plain-clothes police officers targeting yobs who throw bricks at traffic.

The Trojan bus, a mobile police station named after the legendary wooden horse carrying Greeks in to attack Troy, went on first patrol in Liverpool last night.

The officers' main targets were gangs who throw paving slabs, concrete and bricks at vehicles in Scotland and Stanley Roads.

Among other incidents last night were: [25cf] Seizure of a motorbike.

* Five arrests for possession of a controlled drug.

* Four fixed penalties for disorder.

* Seizure of £200 of cannabis.

* 20 stop forms issued to people officers questioned.

* 12 Section 30 warnings.

Officers posed as passengers as the bus did a loop of the worst affected areas.

Behind a safety screen of toughened glass, police watched for known trouble-makers, with a video camera to catch them in the act.

A CCTV van, street CCTV cameras and officers on the ground were also in the area.

Inspector Nick Mills said: "The aim is to find the people who smash windows and catch them in the act"

Parts of Scotland Road have been designated a Section 30 zone, which gives police the power to disperse groups of youths. If they return within 24 hours they can be arrested.

This sounds more like it...

Have to say I'm very impressed with the response in Croccie at the minute, and they still haven't left yet. I'm hoping it'll be a permanent solution, but I'm guessing the council tax money probably can't stretch that far!

This sounds more like it...

Have to say I'm very impressed with the response in Croccie at the minute, and they still haven't left yet. I'm hoping it'll be a permanent solution, but I'm guessing the council tax money probably can't stretch that far!

Great to hear about the positive effect in Croccy. Maybe the cat population will increase again and the culprits will be caught and dealt with.

I heard the tail end of a discussion on the radio last week about something similar. A teacher was on the phone-in's and he was saying how, in his school they were trying out a new way to encourage the disruptive pupils by getting them to come indoors (presumably before registration) for hot coffee and toast !! (This teacher wasn't in favour of this by the way.) He said he didn't agree that the good kids should have to stay outside in the freezing cold while the bad ones were given hot drinks !
I only caught half of the story, but I got the gist of it.

It's all wrong. I don't think the bad ones should be 'rewarded' this way. :angry:

Things move fast....Discount cards for all city teenagers (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=16788538%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=discount%2dcards%2dfor%2dall%2dcity%2dt eenagers-name_page.html)

.....should rename the thread :ninja: Liverpool is one of 10 pilot areas chosen by the government for the Youth Opportunity Card.

Teen gun wars: cops swoop on 13 homes

THE fightback against North Liverpool's teen gun gangs began today.

Police stormed homes in Croxteth and Norris Green, seizing suspected gang members, drugs and airguns.

Within seconds of collecting samples from one home, officers discovered TNT explosive had been handled by people inside.

At another address, detectives discovered photographs of guns pinned to a wall along with a list of nam