Alcohol expert calls for Liverpool pubs to be replaced with cafes

[Liverpool Daily Post]

BARS should be replaced by cafes and restaurants in Liverpool city centre to tackle a binge-drinking crisis, MPs were told.

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[kevin]

Yeah, right - like those making a profit out of the system will be keen on this idea.

As an aside, while driving into town yesterday I was passing the Royal, and saw a pub opposite that somebody had obviously spent a few bob doing up - The Fort. I was impressed and it was good to see investment happening in the area. The image was somewhat spoilt by a 30-something man comatose and resting his head on his coat on next door's doorstep. The dark patch on his jeans - an extensive dark patch - indicating he'd been caught rather short.

I genuinely hope he was pi55ed, and not ill. Pedestrians were walking around him and ignoring his plight, and I guess I was no better. It only occurred to me later that he might have collapsed and not been drunk.

[Waterways]

I genuinely hope he was pi55ed, and not ill. Pedestrians were walking around him and ignoring his plight, and I guess I was no better. It only occurred to me later that he might have collapsed and not been drunk.

That happened to me once at Stockholm airport. I was laying on bench outside very sick and no one stopped. People in the travel agents behind were looking through the window and did nothing. After an hour I manged to grab a cab and he took me to a hotel.

I did not pee myself though. :)

[Waterways]

Blair was right in getting the UK into a longer opening cafe society instead of beer halls. It just needed better implementation at the local level.

[Paddy]

You want to see this town Fridays and Saturdays. 18 Thousand shirts and skirts looking for a good time in an area not as big as London Road. Nasty security and police vans Kebabs and Chicken boxes strewn everywhere and lines of taxis. We have had Murders, assaults, rapes, gang fights and the sight of people stumbling around is common place. Venues charge extortionate prices for entrance and drinks and being thrown out is normal. I was attacked by security for having a railway vest on. I had been watching football and drinking a cheaper pint. When the karaoke started they wanted me out I was brutally assaulted for trying to retrieve my pint. This happens in the Watford Caf? quarter it is usual. I think Caf? quarters should be Caf? quarters

[Ged]

BARS should be replaced by cafes and restaurants in Liverpool city centre to tackle a binge-drinking crisis, MPs were told.

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The Temperance Society of course had this idea way back and formed Cocoa Rooms that you see on old photographs. It was to steer people away from the ills of alcohol and the dirty dens it wasserved in so what happened.

Large ornate gin palaces such as the philharmonic, Crown, Central Commercial and Vines were built in town to keep the massed hoards happy :)

[Ged]

I did not pee myself though. :)


And I bet you wouldn't have told us if you had :)

[kevin]

And I bet you wouldn't have told us if you had :)

Exactly - just how did he get the nickname Waterways?
Very suspicious.
:rolleyes:

[Waterways]

You want to see this town Fridays and Saturdays. 18 Thousand shirts and skirts looking for a good time in an area not as big as London Road. Nasty security and police vans Kebabs and Chicken boxes strewn everywhere and lines of taxis. We have had Murders, assaults, rapes, gang fights and the sight of people stumbling around is common place. Venues charge extortionate prices for entrance and drinks and being thrown out is normal. I was attacked by security for having a railway vest on. I had been watching football and drinking a cheaper pint. When the karaoke started they wanted me out I was brutally assaulted for trying to retrieve my pint. This happens in the Watford Caf? quarter it is usual. I think Caf? quarters should be Caf? quarters

Watford is full of Chavs and Pikeys.

[Ged]

You want to see this town Fridays and Saturdays. 18 Thousand shirts and skirts looking for a good time in an area not as big as London Road.

I was attacked by security for having a railway vest on.


Perhaps if you'd had your kecks and undies on as well they'd have let you stay Paddy.

[naked lilac]

Binge drinking..? At least people have money to go out and buy a few laughs.. and if they drink themselves silly.. Lets' hope they learn a lesson the next day.... :snf (41):

Quess your economy is keeping the pubs going.. LUCKY you folks..:handclap:It gives England atmosphere.. and better than a gas station on every corner...

Managers just have to know when to tell someone TIME TO GO MATE.... and thats that...

If someone gets hurt when leaving an establishment in USA..the bar owner is responsible for supplying too much alchol to them.. Law suit!! Maybe license of premises revoked..

Many CAFES here are closing.. no money for a drink out..

I think your pubs are grand.. (and I am not a big drinker at all...),in fact, don't care for alcoholic problems, people have created for themselves..

I found Pubs there, a peaceful retreat, most of the time.. for a good eat and a pint ..cheaper than a CAFE.. or wine bar...:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Its about proper Management.. responsible proprietorship.. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Waterways]

I couldn't get into a pub last night near me. They were full of Cricket fans, England v West Indies, all night, packed in like sardines, right out onto the pavements. One pub hired security men to keep people off the road and onto the pavement. Well I did eventually get served and we stocked up drinks to avoid the 4 deep at the bar and sat outside. Cricket fans are so civilized.

Talking to the pub managers, all have said takings are more this year than in the same weeks last year. People keep reading of a recession, yet it does not appear that way in the streets. I know of no pub that business is down or closed down. I'm sure some have, but not a lot.

[Waterways]

The Temperance Society of course had this idea way back and formed Cocoa Rooms that you see on old photographs.

The split in Everton FC that created Liverpool FC, was partly due to the Temperance influence of the Everton FC Committee. Once Everton were rid of Houlding, a brewer, who created Liverpool FC, no alcohol was served at Goodison Park - I believe that was the case until the late 1960s.

I did more research on it - tried to keep it to a minimum:
The split creating LFC (http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/History_of_Everton_FC#head-1148ff6cd173370bebb63dc736c560e1b37496e5)

[Ged]

Well done WW.

[gregs dad]

The last thing Liverpool needs is any more eating places,there are to many now.witness all the closures.

[Waterways]

The last thing Liverpool needs is any more eating places,there are to many now.witness all the closures.

Continental cafes are drink and easting places. You can sit and have a coffee, a win, a beer, a sandwich, etc, inside or out. Very civilized. What I like about many Paris cafes is that in winter they close them off with all glass doors and conservatory type of roof over the pavement - it is still like being outside.
http://euro-quest.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/2bcc-cafe-de-flore.jpg

[Paddy]

To be fair Gregs Dad you could argue that there are too many theme pubs and bars. Thing with the continental model it does not reduce your activity. It needs a cultrual shift, and a glimmer of light towards seeing this down turn out.

[scouse smurf]

I think it would be a total waste of time, coz those that wanna drink aren't suddenly gonna say.... hmmm, all these cafes make me want to have coffee and a cake rather than going and getting pi55ed.

Anyone that wants to will just go the pubs that are still open.

I'm probably totally in the minority here, but I just wish they'd allow smoking in pubs again coz I'm sick of having to walk through the smokers when I'm just walking past a pub

[Waterways]

Well done WW.

The real deep reason for the split was the views on how the club should be run - politically and morally.

The flashpoint was when Orrel next door wanted to run a road through the new main stand - he legally could.

Rent had little to do with the split.

Religion had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

So many myths were spread over the last 116 years. If I find more info I will add and let people know. I think I have covered the prime points. Got to keep it short and concise, emphasizing main points that matter.

The timeline makes it more understandable. Everton did receive a notice to quit, but that was far down the road in the dispute and they were virtually on their way out anyhow. An option to acquire the Goodison Park site was already in place. Knowing how events unfolded makes more sense.

[anonymouse]

..the bar owner is responsible for supplying too much alchol to them.. ...Maybe license of premises revoked..

We have a similar law over here, trouble is it's not enforced!

Years ago, a police sergeant and a couple of bobbies would do a regular 'walk through' of pubs and any under age drinkers would be turfed out and the management would receive a stern warning! Maybe that's one answer.

As for 'alcohol experts', I know many of 'em that can get 'blotto' and still get home without causing trouble to anyone - including themselves.
;):D:D:rolleyes:

[gregs dad]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2533875913_6d4bda8c24_o.jpg
We do have continental type bars around the city

[Paddy]

Okay let's look at the source

Dr Lynn Owens called for the city centre to be ?redesigned? to tempt a wider range of people than simply ?young people binge drinking?.

Dr Owens, a nurse consultant with Liverpool primary care trust (PCT), specialising in alcohol, told the health select committee: ?We need to redesign the city centre so it is a mixed economy and not just for young people binge-drinking.?

Speaking after the meeting, she added: ?There is nothing wrong with a vibrant pub culture, but we also need cafes, so a 40-year-old woman going to the theatre feels safe to have a drink afterwards.

?If we could mix that cafe culture with the drinking culture, then maybe the behaviour of young people would be moderated.

?If you were an 18-year-old out drinking, and your mum and dad were across the street in a Tapas bar, then I think you would be a bit more careful.?

During the evidence session, Dr Owens warned that as few as 5% of patients requiring treatment for an alcohol problem were able to get that help when they needed it.

This young woman is echoing my sentiments. Everyone has certain tastes and most people do find drunken violence distressing. Take Watford High Street in the day time it is a fantastic place to come and do your shopping have a coffee and relax. Go there at night Thursday onwards and sometimes during the week. It is a vision of hell 'Dantes 'inferno'. When walking through the feeling of alienation is overwhelming. Most of the Watford adult population avoid the area. It is just for Shirts and Skirts and the atmosphere is one of unbridled exploitation. Why? well it's the pub chains innit! and the hard fact of the rise of security culture. Who is now the law of this land? At night here it seems to have been franchised out. God help me! I have been labeled a potential gunman for protesting about their bullying and violent nature. Yet they have the full cooperaton of the police on the basis that they are licensed doormen.:002:

[Waterways]

We have a similar law over here, trouble is it's not enforced!

Years ago, a police sergeant and a couple of bobbies would do a regular 'walk through' of pubs and any under age drinkers would be turfed out and the management would receive a stern warning! Maybe that's one answer.


If the manager thinks someone is of age they can leave them alone and no law can touch them. Conversely they can ask for ID if anyone looks under age, but the may be over age.

[Waterways]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2533875913_6d4bda8c24_o.jpg
We do have continental type bars around the city

Need more.

[scouse smurf]

Isn't there a few like that at Liverpool one ?

[Ged]

If someone gets hurt when leaving an establishment in USA..the bar owner is responsible for supplying too much alchol to them.. Law suit!! Maybe license of premises revoked..

The trouble is though.

Whose licence gets revoked? Imagine a bloke goes to 2 pubs and only has one in the last pub then causes trouble. Is that landlord responsible or the landlord that sold him 10 in the hours leading up to it.