Anti Social behaviour, gun crime, taxes, expensive everything, offenders let out of jail early only to kill people, gangs, drugs etc etc and now this:

More than 1,000 foreign prisoners - including three murderers and nine rapists - have been "accidentally" released into the community. Charles Clarke has admitted the prisoners should have been considered for deportation at the end of their sentences. more (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1219816,00.html)

We have become a ruddy free for all!! :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

I'm moving to Spain :037:

I'm moving to Spain :037:

me too:celb (23):

lets go KEV:celb (6):

YO LIVERPOOL FORO :cool:

It is getting worse here

I'm moving to Spain :037:

me too:celb (23):

lets go KEV:celb (6):

YO LIVERPOOL FORO :cool:

It is getting worse here

There's a great expat community there I've heard :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I believe that there is a substantial Islamic community in Spain, tho. I don't know what their outlook is.:celb (23):

My friend Juan lives in Sevilla. maybe i should ask him to find me work

But i would fry in Sevilla:013:

My Aunt is out in Malaga... me and Brenda are off to toast ourselves there in 3 weeks :D

My Aunt is out in Malaga... me and Brenda are off to toast ourselves there in 3 weeks :D

My bags are packed, I'm comming with ya!!! :celb (23)::037:

My bags are packed, I'm comming with ya!!! :celb (23)::037:


I asked Brenda last week. said yes if i can fit in a suitcase. hope they got big cases:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

My bags are packed, I'm comming with ya!!! :celb (23)::037:

Come on then lar..... £127 for the airfair and a handful of Euros for the villa.... I am gonna toast myself with several books by the poolside :037: I can't wait! :D

Seriously though, is it me or our major cities going nuts?

I asked Brenda last week. said yes if i can fit in a suitcase. hope they got big cases:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Aaaaww, my suitcase is a little spotty one with wheels from the Avon, I am sure one of Kevs babies may fit in there... defo no Gnomie or Kev though.... us girls have to fit in the kitchen sink and stuff :D

Well have a good one anyway:037: :wynar: :cool:

Seriously though, is it me or our major cities going nuts?

No Kev, they are all going nuts.... The whole world is... more bombs in Egypt.... :disgust:

Well have a good one anyway:037: :wynar: :cool:

Hopefully we will be able to flood the gallery with pictures of our redness tans :D

Anti Social behaviour, gun crime, taxes, expensive everything, offenders let out of jail early only to kill people, gangs, drugs etc etc and now this:

More than 1,000 foreign prisoners - including three murderers and nine rapists - have been "accidentally" released into the community. Charles Clarke has admitted the prisoners should have been considered for deportation at the end of their sentences. more (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1219816,00.html)

We have become a ruddy free!! :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

I'm moving to Spain :037:

Too many Brits overate Spain in my opinion.

Too many old ones there too.

I'd rather go to France again.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

Cheap there, plus my surnames French.:PDT_Xtremez_28:

Its about time you placed your Francais heritage in the Cultures of Liverpool thread den :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:


Viva Le France :unibrow: , or is Le, La, Lar? :unibrow:

Its about time you placed your Francais heritage in the Cultures of Liverpool thread den :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:


Viva Le France :unibrow: , or is Le, La, Lar? :unibrow:

Its Bonsiour Lar

I've already had my holiday and I feel like I need another already,that's what I get for going in March I suppose.:(

I've already had my holiday and I feel like I need another already,that's what I get for going in March I suppose.:(

Were did u go mate?

I took the kids to disney world Florida,my oldest isn't six until June and its her third time there and my youngest has been twice already,I don't think they realise how lucky they are because I had to settle for Wales all the time so I'm making up for lost time.:)

Its Bonsiour Lar

Oooh you contential yer ;)

Hahah I don't know my French background that much anyway and I forgot most of the French I found easy to learn.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

I knew how to read their directions though in Paris and did a bet with my dad and won.:celb (23):

Apparently Max Liverpool was home to French prisoners of war during the hundred years war... you have a rich heritage in your home time lar, or should that be le ? :unibrow:

You know those 1023 criminals will never be deported will they?

I agree Kev, it is not just in the UK. I dont know what is the matter with people here,( USA) just this last few years the majority of people seem to be more rude, nasty and twice as ignorant. :disgust:

Seriously though, is it me or our major cities going nuts?
I do believe they are! Whole areas of this country are reminicent of the 'Village of the ****ed,' with our little hoody friends ruling the roost.

Actually a better analogy would be that old film Bugsy Malone, except these days they don't just fire ice cream and cakes!

Britain has the worst record for anti-social behaviour in Europe.

According to a new report, Britons feel our booze culture and a lack of discipline are the key causes of an escalating problem.

I'm so proud :PDT_Xtremez_12:

Source (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13522797,00.html)

Apparently Max Liverpool was home to French prisoners of war during the hundred years war... you have a rich heritage in your home time lar, or should that be le ? :unibrow:

Neither Le or Lar.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

A YOUNG boy who saved three swallow chicks from the clutches of yobs was punished for trespassing on school property.

Tony Jones grabbed the helpless chicks after they were knocked out of their nest in the grounds of Caernarfon's Ysgol Maesincla. A group of children were trying to dislodge the nest from the roof of the single-storey building.

The shocked 10-year-old saw them stamping on the tiny birds and several were thought to have been killed.

He fled home with the three chicks and is continuing to care for Lucky - the one chick which survived the ordeal just over a week ago.

The other two died of shock. He assumed staff at his school would praise his public-spirited actions.

But headmistress Elizabeth Roberts gave him the same punishment as the yobs suspected of carrying out the sickening attack.

Tony and the other children must stay indoors each break and lunchtimes writing out two A4 pages of lines stating in Welsh: "I must not trespass on school property."

His dad Paul last night told how his son came home from school earlier this week and burst into tears.

"He hasn't been allowed out at break time since the incident," he said..

"But if he hadn't trespassed all the nests would have been destroyed." "This has broken his heart. He just breaks down and cries.

"It has brought a lump to my throat to see him. I'm really disgusted."

Ysgol Maesincla head Mrs Elizabeth Roberts said the matter had been dealt with and refused to comment further.

A spokeswoman for North Wales Police said officers investigated the incident and spoke to a youngster.

No further action was taken or charges brought.

Sadness at osprey loss

BIRD conservation bosses yesterday said a rare osprey chick being raised in a North Wales nest watched by a hidden camera has died.

The cause of the baby bird's death was still unclear.

Now their hopes are pinned on two more chicks at the Glaslyn osprey project which are still fit and well.

The public can follow their progress via a nest-cam at Pont Croesor near Porthmadog. Yesterday a project worker said after flapping

vigorously in the middle of the nest, the chick collapsed on to its back, struggled for a few moments and then lay still. RSPB Cymru osprey officer Emyr Evans said: "It is sad to lose one of the chicks at this stage but it is the way nature works.

"We will continue to show nest-cam footage at the viewing site and explain the situation openly to our visitors."

More than 34,000 visitors have already visited the site since April.

Only in the UK do we punish the good whilst letting the bad get away with murder :rolleyes:

But you would all miss being in or close to our great city!

Please don't go! the Big Dig would never be the same without you :neutral:

Britain has the worst record for anti-social behaviour in Europe.

According to a new report, Britons feel our booze culture and a lack of discipline are the key causes of an escalating problem.

I'm so proud :PDT_Xtremez_12:

Source (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13522797,00.html) "You Said it Kev"! I watched a Sky TV program last night called 'Booze Britain' it showed young men! (more like idiot's!) binge boozing, and drinking each other urine and vomit!!! this was in Newquay. Some years ago, these people would be classed as insane! and institutionalised, Whats wrong with Britain today? I felt ashamed to admit that I was British! and pleased to be far enough away from it!

A YOUNG boy who saved three swallow chicks from the clutches of yobs was punished for trespassing on school property.

Tony Jones grabbed the helpless chicks after they were knocked out of their nest in the grounds of Caernarfon's Ysgol Maesincla. A group of children were trying to dislodge the nest from the roof of the single-storey building.

The shocked 10-year-old saw them stamping on the tiny birds and several were thought to have been killed.

He fled home with the three chicks and is continuing to care for Lucky - the one chick which survived the ordeal just over a week ago.

The other two died of shock. He assumed staff at his school would praise his public-spirited actions.

But headmistress Elizabeth Roberts gave him the same punishment as the yobs suspected of carrying out the sickening attack.

Tony and the other children must stay indoors each break and lunchtimes writing out two A4 pages of lines stating in Welsh: "I must not trespass on school property."

His dad Paul last night told how his son came home from school earlier this week and burst into tears.

"He hasn't been allowed out at break time since the incident," he said..

"But if he hadn't trespassed all the nests would have been destroyed." "This has broken his heart. He just breaks down and cries.

"It has brought a lump to my throat to see him. I'm really disgusted."

Ysgol Maesincla head Mrs Elizabeth Roberts said the matter had been dealt with and refused to comment further.

A spokeswoman for North Wales Police said officers investigated the incident and spoke to a youngster.

No further action was taken or charges brought.

Sadness at osprey loss

BIRD conservation bosses yesterday said a rare osprey chick being raised in a North Wales nest watched by a hidden camera has died.

The cause of the baby bird's death was still unclear.

Now their hopes are pinned on two more chicks at the Glaslyn osprey project which are still fit and well.

The public can follow their progress via a nest-cam at Pont Croesor near Porthmadog. Yesterday a project worker said after flapping

vigorously in the middle of the nest, the chick collapsed on to its back, struggled for a few moments and then lay still. RSPB Cymru osprey officer Emyr Evans said: "It is sad to lose one of the chicks at this stage but it is the way nature works.

"We will continue to show nest-cam footage at the viewing site and explain the situation openly to our visitors."

More than 34,000 visitors have already visited the site since April.

Only in the UK do we punish the good whilst letting the bad get away with murder :rolleyes:


Crazy school!

Maybe Spain ain't a bad idea, they have a new Middleweight champI could cheer on.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

The Sunday Times reports on a poll claiming a fifth of Britons are considering leaving the UK because political parties have failed to deliver tax cuts.....

don't know about tax cuts, but I'd consider leaving Britain because of breakdown of our society, ie; as discussed in 'youth of today' & 'crime & punishment' threads.

The thought of leaving is often at the back of my mind.

The Sunday Times reports on a poll claiming a fifth of Britons are considering leaving the UK because political parties have failed to deliver tax cuts.....
I'll come down and wave the selfish b*stards goodbye! What they should be arguing for is fairer taxes. :disgust:

PS. Kev, do you have a link? - I can't find the article on the Sunday Times web pages. :retard:

don't know about tax cuts, but I'd consider leaving Britain because of breakdown of our society, ie; as discussed in 'youth of today' & 'crime & punishment' threads.

The thought of leaving is often at the back of my mind.
You've got to wonder why any of us want to stay in a country where a 4-yr old gets tied to a tree and has his head smashed in with a brick. :$ik:

"A four-year-old boy has suffered horrible injuries after being smashed over the head with a brick. Charlie Davis was found near his home in Hull in a pool of blood with a fractured skull and part of his ear hanging off. Police are investigating claims the boy was dragged 200 yards to the wasteland where the assault took place by a local youth who tied him to a tree before battering him." - ITN News

Brings back memories of the James Bulger killing. :sad:

I'd miss Britain too much to leave and live elsewhere.

I'll come down and wave the selfish b*stards goodbye! What they should be arguing for is fairer taxes. :disgust:

PS. Kev, do you have a link? - I can't find the article on the Sunday Times web pages. :retard:

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1441437.jpg

Article, click here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2330678,00.html)

an overwhelming majority of voters do want to see cuts in income and inheritance tax
So they want to see the poor pay more tax and the rich pay less. I think I want to leave because these people disgust me. :disgust:

So they want to see the poor pay more tax and the rich pay less. I think I want to leave because these people disgust me. :disgust:

There thinking like Tories. :mad:

Britain has the worst record for anti-social behaviour in Europe.

According to a new report, Britons feel our booze culture and a lack of discipline are the key causes of an escalating problem.

I'm so proud :PDT_Xtremez_12:

Source (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13522797,00.html)

drinking has little to do with it. The older generation had a deeper booze culture. In the 1800s drunkeness was rampant.

So they want to see the poor pay more tax and the rich pay less. I think I want to leave because these people disgust me. :disgust:

The UK is one of the least taxed countries in the EU. Only Murdoch rags can come up with that.

So they want to see the poor pay more tax and the rich pay less. I think I want to leave because these people disgust me. :disgust:

All very well saying make the 'rich' pay more, but what defines rich, Howie. As you should know taxing the 'rich' till the pips squeek only makes them take their money out of the country with the poorer sections of society making up the short fall.

In my opinion too many people are paying too much tax. Considering Income Tax was a temporary measure introduced in the late 1700's when we fought the French I think the joke has gone too far.

Where does all this tax money go by the way?

Where does all this tax money go by the way?


The NHS, The Armed Forces, The Police, The Civil Service, The Fire Brigade, The EU, Education, etc, etc ...


Did you think we were just wasting tax payers money on Burearocracy AD?

:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

I'd miss Britain too much to leave and live elsewhere.

I know for sure I would be homesick as hell. I love my own country and especially Liverpool. I wouldn't have been born anywhere else. I always teach my son about our great city and tell him it's a privilege to be born a Scouser -or Liverpudlian whatever you prefer.

.... but, I've got to the point now where I just want to live somewhere away from the anti-social stuff we've all been talking about, and to live somewhere half decent where people clean up after themselves and have pride in their surroundings.
I've truly had enough of the slovenly couldn't care less brigade.

When I go on holiday the clean streets and houses are as astonishing to me as the normal tourist attractions ! I find myself taking photos of places just to show how it can look to have a back alley with no binbags or fly tipping, or pavements with no chewie and filth. Like the picture I posted in the gallery of the phone box! WHY can't we live like that! Just CLEAN ! It's NORMAL to live like that.
It can be depressing to return back home.
I don't want anything posh, just somewhere reasonably clean, with civilised people.

Apart from the unpleasant environment, you have the added unpleasantness of yob rule (for want of a better description). Quality of life is now quite low for the normal law abiding population. Good people are rapidly becoming a minority in some areas.

Sadly there's not a lot to want to make you stay !

lindyloo,
Move to Coronation St., you never see any yobs there.:)

Seriously, I have seen the situation go from bad to worse, I only visit every couple of years so I probably notice the change more than you. I wouldn't go back to live in the U.K. for anything, not that I don't like it, just for the reasons you stated.

I always tell my children "work had, get a good higher education (which I will have to pay for) and then take yourself off somewhere else in the world" - the States or Australia, Canada - doesn't matter which. Somewhere where there are prospects and a future. There is nothing in this country for our children - I've told them "don't worry, me and your Dad will come and stay with you". We could do the rounds for four months a piece and never have to come home - hee hee!

Sounds like I'm all doom and gloom ... but I have YET another tale of woe ;

Today I met up with some relatives who don't live in L'pool. We went on the 'Magical Mystery Tour' which was good. Done the Beatles trail and all that stuff. A nice time was had by all. We bid them farewell at Lime st station and headed for home.
We were on the 14c bus for literally minutes when bother with yobs erupted.
3 lads smoking; a young mum with a little girl asked them politely would they stop blowing smoke over the head of her 4 year old. Of course they didn't stop. The young mum was in her 20s - so even young people are getting fed up with this behaviour. She went down to the driver who then told the lads to put out their smokes ... well you can imagine the reply.
The lads bounced down to the front of the bus hurling abuse. The driver stopped the bus right in the middle of St John's lane and after more vile abuse the lads eventually got off. Not before spitting at the driver and then hurling a missile at the window (don't know what it was that they threw, but it banged very loudly on the window frightening people).
All this was in front of young children and pensioners. THERE IS NO RESPECT.
The vile swear words were disgusting - and to spit on the driver ! no one should have to put up with this during the course of their work. :disgust:
I was glad that my relatives hadn't wittnessed this.

sorry if I'm posting some negative stuff here, but it's what I actually see in my everyday life. :disgust:

Our fantastic city is blighted, and it's also in most other places around UK.

No wonder people are losing heart.

I know how you feel Lindylou :disgust:. But the fact is these are the way they are because they have been allowed to for many many years. This learnt behaviour comes from years of reinforcement by peers and poor role models without challenge from authority figures, parents and other adults.

All down to upbringing again. It's just very sad that it's gone too far and it appears there's nothing now any one can do about it.

I tell you what.. I prefer todays anti-social behaviour, to 19th century anti-social behaviour.


Where there is a will there is a way... ;)

you give me a grain of hope there FKoE :)


.... I like that - were's there's a will there's a way. :)
It's true. But how can we turn things around ?? It seems impossible.

I'm not asking you to answer that ! I'm just thinking aloud. :)

Hey Lindy, you with your cattle prod and me with me birch.. sheesh, we can change the whole world girl :D

:D :celb (6):

I agree with most of the above something needs to be done.

What I have noticed though about anti social behaviour or crime is that when it happens in Liverpool the locals or visitors blame Liverpool.

Why is this? Because these things do happen in other cities across the UK but if a car gets broken into in London we dont blame London and all of the people who live there we blame the particular thief who committed the act.

It's a similar situation to a certain extent in other cities, we don't automatically blame the whole city.

Why is this?

I agree with most of the above something needs to be done.

What I have noticed though about anti social behaviour or crime is that when it happens in Liverpool the locals or visitors blame Liverpool.

Why is this? Because these things do happen in other cities across the UK but if a car gets broken into in London we dont blame London and all of the people who live there we blame the particular thief who committed the act.

It's a similar situation to a certain extent in other cities, we don't automatically blame the whole city.

Why is this?

Poor stereotypes, reinforced over a very long period of time.

Poor stereotypes, reinforced over a very long period of time.

I agree mate, what I would like to add is that whilst any crime terrible as it is for the victim, there is no evidence to prove that the crime rate in Liverpool is higher than the national average.


I'm not disputing that anti social behaviour or violent crime is rising (or seems to be), but it's not higher here than any other British city.

Us Liverpudlians are the first to blame our own city when we here of crime, no wonder visitors do it.

I can think of no end of times that I have read letters to the Echo or Post going on 'I'll never visit Liverpool again because so and so, but these things happen elsewhere too.'

Us Liverpudlians are the first to blame our own city when we here of crime, no wonder visitors do it.



I have my thoughts on why that happens though. It's like a kind of 'self fulfilling prophercy', and many of our wonderfully passionate residents have lived through the 80's believing themselves the poor stereotypes that have been so heavily thrown at us from every direction.

Funny that Urban lad.... Us scousers tend to blame the theft on the thief. :rolleyes:

All very well saying make the 'rich' pay more, but what defines rich, Howie. As you should know taxing the 'rich' till the pips squeek only makes them take their money out of the country with the poorer sections of society making up the short fall.

In my opinion too many people are paying too much tax. Considering Income Tax was a temporary measure introduced in the late 1700's when we fought the French I think the joke has gone too far.

Where does all this tax money go by the way?

Poorest 'worse off under Labour'
Sep 3 2006

Britain's poorest are paying a higher share of the total tax burden but getting a lower proportion of Government benefits than when Labour came to power, according to a study.

The worst-off fifth of households contributed 6.8% of the total tax take in 1996-7, but by 2004-5 that had risen to 6.9%, the Centre for Policy Studies found. Their share of benefits also dropped from 28.1% to 27.1% over the same period.

Overall, they would have been £531 a year better off if the systems had remained the way they were before Gordon Brown became Chancellor.

Researchers from the right-leaning think tank divided the population into five groups based on household income, and compared how they would have fared in the different years.

They found changes in tax and benefits had a negative financial impact on three of the classes. Apart from these on the lowest income, the second-poorest would have been £427 better off in 1996-7, and the richest would have gained £465.

The winners have apparently been middle income households - £613 wealthier in 2004-5 - and the second-richest - up by £847.

The study's lead author Charlie Elphicke said: "Almost five million households have an average pre-tax-and-benefit income of just £4,280.

"These households are now paying over £1,000 a year in income and council taxes. The impact of the Government's policies resembles those of the Sheriff of Nottingham, not Robin Hood."

Liberal Democrat economic spokesman Vince Cable said the report clearly highlighted "the source of sustained inequality in Britain".

"Labour have done nothing to close the huge gap between the richest and poorest in this country." Lib Dem tax proposals would lift two million of the lowest-paid people out of income tax altogether, he added.

Source: icLiverpool (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0300nationalnews/tm_objectid=17669955&method=full&siteid=50061&headline=poorest--worse-off-under-labour--name_page.html)

So apparently we (GB) are Europe's capital of Shop Lifting, have the most personal debt per person and the most anti social

So apparently we (GB) are Europe's capital of Shop Lifting,


We catch more because of more CCTV.


have the most personal debt per person


Because most of the debt in the UK is motgages., because we pay too much for houses.


and the most anti social

I would go along with that.

Because most of the debt in the UK is motgages., because we pay too much or houses.I would agree with that statement. I don't think I could afford even a terraced house in the UK but, then again, I find the UK one of the most expensive places, for almost everything, on the planet. It is only Japan that is more expensive but at least in Japan you get the service you pay for. Britons still need to learn how to treat paying customers and not act as though they are doing the customer a favour by serving them.

I would agree with that statement.


80% of debt is mortgaes to pit a small cheap and nasty roof over your head. Go to the web site in tnhe signature and to the land article


I don't think I could afford even a terraced house in the UK but, then again, I find the UK one of the most expensive places, for almost everything, on the planet. It is only Japan that is more expensive but at least in Japan you get the service you pay for. Britons still needs to learn how to treat paying customers and not act as though they are doing the customer a favour by serving them.

I would go along with that.

The European Capital of Obeseness :celb (23): :037: We Rock!!

Lord help us if we ever get invaded - we'lll never be able to defend ourselves. We won't be able to get off the couch quick enough...don't get me wrong - I'm a bit of a salad-dodger meself - but even young kids are getting fatter and fatter - and it can't be just down to junk food. We - as a nation - (big speech coming up) need to get off our botties and walk a bit more, eat a few less pies, make our nation the great, lean machine it once was!:celb (23):

I'm a bit of a salad-dodger meself

hahaha,, yer my kinda o girl pootie :D

Britons are the most spied on people anywhere on the globe.

continues (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13550044,00.html)....

and another one:

Britain's youths are some of the worst behaved in

Europe, research by a leading think-tank suggests.

continues (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13550050,00.html)....

think i would go to ireland....there's no one there lol

think i would go to ireland....there's no one there lol

I can't believe how patriotic the Irish are, yet they all leave and in New York the Plastic Paddys think their Irish when they were born in New York.

Funny to argue with on the internet though lol, when it comes to passports. Or calling what they call Derry Londonderry. :evil:

I can't believe how patriotic the Irish are, yet they all leave and in New York the Plastic Paddys think their Irish when they were born in New York.

Funny to argue with on the internet though lol, when it comes to passports. Or calling what they call Derry Londonderry. :evil:

Max, it's not just the Irish Americans, it's lots of Americans, I have no idea why they deny being American, but lots of them will tell you they are polish, german, etc., when they have never even been there. Must be some kind of insecure feeling they have.
Millions of them claim to be descendants of the people who came on the Mayflower too, so many they had me thinking the Mayflower must be a bridge, no boat could hold that many!

The year is 1907.....but the speaker knew what he was talking about



Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

*So the biggest news of the day? WAGS, WAGS and more WAGS! You would have thought they were royalty the exposure these weddings have had.

*Another news (http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/0,,30100-1270643,00.html) story? 2/3's of our teen girls want to become glamor models because of the quick route to riches, celebrity and all its rewards. Girls who have no problem wanting to look like a Barbie Doll as long as they make money and try and catch the footballer boyfriend.

I reckon the same applies to young lads who would rather be gangsters than anything else.

I'm not that old am I? :eek:

Honestly, madness the lot of it.

*So the biggest news of the day? WAGS, WAGS and more WAGS! You would have thought they were royalty the exposure these weddings have had.

*Another news (http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/0,,30100-1270643,00.html) story? 2/3's of our teen girls want to become glamor models because of the quick route to riches, celebrity and all its rewards. Girls who have no problem wanting to look like a Barbie Doll as long as they make money and try and catch the footballer boyfriend.

I reckon the same applies to young lads who would rather be gangsters than anything else.

I'm not that old am I? :eek:

Honestly, madness the lot of it.

I think its a sad fact that if you were to ask many young lads in Toxteth who they aspire to be its either Robbie Fowler or Curtis Warren.

I reckon the same applies to young lads who would rather be gangsters than anything else.

Well I do have urges to shout YEAH and do some drive by homie.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Also wear some gang colours too.

Too much GTA San Andreas.

Well I do have urges to shout YEAH and do some drive by homie.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Also wear some gang colours too.

Too much GTA San Andreas.

Is right Max, as an enthusiastic GTA player myself and an adult, I'm aware of the potentially harmful scenarios that are played out in that game mate, especially kids in their primary years sadly.

Our Uk kids indulging in American Ghetto is/ has been extremely damaging. We have 'created' American Hip Hop themed ghettos on our very own streets.

Fair play to Mr Warren though - during the 80's it was bad. This current crop of wannabes live quite reasonable lives anyway which can't be blamed on living in poverty/ deprivation etc...

The blame lies with the media.

I meant myself when playing GTA really.

Kids at a certain age are old enough to know the difference and I don't think the games/Hip hop should be blamed enough they might Influence teens/kids to copy them.

That said though GROVE IS BAAACK!

As an enthusiastic GTA player you know that line.

Trouble is, there is no punishment. Unless someone has been killed, punishments for other crimes don't even warrant a prison sentence, unless your a pensioner unable to pay council tax.

I have been on a bus and teenage scum were causing murder. When the driver stopped, the darlings exact words were 'i wanna get arrested, its my birthday, only going to get a £80 fine the most'. So why should they worry about being part of a gang, when the chances of being caught is very low and if they do they will only get a caution anyway and a badge of homour if they get a ASBO to impress the other rats. The do gooding liberals will make excuses for them as well.

And the girls, well i know a few whos ambition is to be a WAG, dating a footballer. So they can sit in salons all day polishing there nails. So when they do bag one and theWAG gets to 40 and the retired celeb husband runs off with a younger model, they will have bugger all to fall back on. Serve the lazy shallow cows right.

*Floods

Why when there have been floods do us Brits end up in our cars slap bang in the middle of 6ft of water? What do they do? Does it not occur to them to not drive into it in the first place?

Did any one see the pic of the lads standing in the floods up to their knees still at the bus stop? Made me laugh. 'Only in the UK'.

*Floods

Why when there have been floods do us Brits end up in our cars slap bang in the middle of 6ft of water? What do they do? Does it not occur to them to not drive into it in the first place?

Did any one see the pic of the lads standing in the floods up to their knees still at the bus stop? Made me laugh. 'Only in the UK'.

did you notice that a lot of the places under water were called ''Riverside Road'' or ''Water Street'' or even ''Streamford''? So why are they suprised???

Did any one see the pic of the lads standing in the floods up to their knees still at the bus stop? Made me laugh. 'Only in the UK'.

Wasn't it that spirit though that got Britain through the war? :unibrow:

See, this is where our country is all wrong:
Prisoners released early from prison are to receive a cash payout of up to £172 to compensate them for loss of bed and board. Some 25,500 prisoners are expected to be released up to 18 days early to ease the prisons overcrowding crisis. continues (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1271913,00.html)....

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Here's another one - The predatory paedophile described as a persistent threat to young boys who is allowed back into the country, whilst a Gurkha hero wounded while fighting in the Falklands War, can't get a proper pension to fund medical treatment in Nepal – or even NHS care he deserves for the horrendous injuries that nearly killed him.

Here's another one: Being in jail is 'just like a holiday camp' prisoner tells Jack Straw (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=540788&in_page_id=1770)

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Posted in another thread. Thought it might fit here as well.

Britain after Tony Blair? :PDT_Xtremez_12:


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Bin taxes arrive... with a £40 charge for families ON TOP of their council tax bill (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=543148&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

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Mother who stood up to foul-mouthed teens finds SHE is the one thrown in the cells by police (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=544012&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

Have-a-go hero has home pelted by thugs after police take four hours to answer 999 call (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=544608&in_page_id=1770)

Mother who stood up to foul-mouthed teens finds SHE is the one thrown in the cells by police (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=544012&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

Have-a-go hero has home pelted by thugs after police take four hours to answer 999 call (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=544608&in_page_id=1770)

The trouble is scum like this make other peoples lives a misery but know their rights to a tee. They know exactly what to say in a call to police or in a statement to make sure anyway who speaks out against them gets arrested.

Regarding that mother.

How come such a flimsy case can come before the courts when the CPS often refuse more worthy causes and the police (as in the case of the Rhys Jones murder have to *****foot around making sure first before even approaching the CPS)

What a waste of tax payers money. What should happen here to avoid other bogus attempts at turning the tables on decent people by scum is that the police now arrest the original complainant for wasting police and court time.

The CPS also want sorting out for this episode too.

Another thing for NOT SO GREAT Britain is Bernard Hogan Howe, our police chief says that the government say the 5 year minimum sentence for handling a gun is being ignored by dickhead judges who give a lot less, the average being 3 years and 10 months or something, not sure without checking? Then some tit who is high up says it's ok because some are higher and some are lower - errr, if the average is only 3 years and 10 months, it means there must be some that are even lower than this figure - never mind 5 years.

What I find concerning is how now our country has ben considered Developed for so long, the powers that be seem intent on wrecking all this progress in favour of the UK being this fake, tollerant, embracing, all inclusive, sensitive etc, etc country. In fact we have now become so politically correct, weak and without firm guidance and nothing to be proud of, the only thing we can cling to are the steps made by significant people from our past.

What we now have are a society of people without any core values, there fore lacking any guidance and goals in life. Those of us that do will find ourselves loosing out at the end of the day whether that be through higher taxes, having yourself attacked by a gang of teens [just because they can], having to act diplomatically without trying to offend anyone etc......

People have lost the will/ desire to protest havn't they?

Something will 'give' sooner or later.

A story in the echo last night was how Liverpool gangs were trying to infiltrate the Isle of Man with drugs. They've been warned of long sentences, they won't know what's hit them if they think they'll get away with a slapped wrist over there - unless they've gone soft as well.

Remember that Victorian values speech by - was it Blair pfft.

We need to take a good look at what worked back then and re-implement some of those things. Sure, progress has been made on a lot of things but common courtesy and respect isn't one of them.

Seriously though, is it me or our major cities going nuts?Hiya Kev, no your not going nuts lad,It's the Spineless Government and all the do gooder's who
have f...., up every thing,there's so many rules, and too many people doing the job, that one department thinks another department is doing that job, etc,etc. The more people there is,the more likely things will go haywire, theres no communication. I for one am sick of trying to watch my P's and Q's, so as not to offend anybody.this government is digging a big hole, and how big is it going to get before they slam the Door shut.:snf (41):

Regarding that mother.

How come such a flimsy case can come before the courts when the CPS often refuse more worthy causes

The police have a points system. They will nick anyone to run the points up. The easier the nick the more points.

When speaking policemen. Just be quiet. If they think they can get you, and you are trying help, they will get you.

The police have to present the case to the CPS who decide if a case is forthcoming. This is to prevent willy nilly arrests and often why cautions are now issued or spot fines etc etc. If an assualt case like this, which is not treated as minor got as far as court costing the taxpayers money, the CPS should be held to account. The police have to act on a person making an accusation, then witnesses and other back up evidence like hospital treatment would be sought.

Hiya Kev, no your not going nuts lad,It's the Spineless Government

The government is not spineless - the government has been accused of being too hard. It passed all sorts of anti-social laws, even 5 years for handling a gun. If the police and courts don't use the laws then that is a different matter.

What we need now is proper community policing and social lessons for children at schools......and the authorities to use the laws properly.

A story in the echo last night was how Liverpool gangs were trying to infiltrate the Isle of Man with drugs. They've been warned of long sentences, they won't know what's hit them if they think they'll get away with a slapped wrist over there - unless they've gone soft as well.


Liverpool drug gangs took over Western Europe. Infiltrating the Isle of Man is no big thing for them.



We need to take a good look at what worked back then and re-implement some of those things. Sure, progress has been made on a lot of things but common courtesy and respect isn't one of them.

That mainly comes from the home.

What we now have are a society of people without any core values, there fore lacking any guidance and goals in life.

The kids are now the children of the Thatcher Children - she said me, me, me, "there is no such thing as society", the idiot said. Respect for society dropped from that point on. A whole generation or two will take some turning around.

Western Europe - governed by spineless beauracrats in Brussels. Isn't the IOM independant?

Respect should be and was taught at home in your and my day - school too. What's happened then?

As has been said, kids now know their rights, were we soft or didn't we have any? You wouldn't give cheek around your locality as everyone knew your mam and dad, older kids kept you in some sort of check too - too many anonymous strangers lurking now - not even from the area.

What about this then for a load of balls. Why should a single complaint be given the time of day?

http://entertainment.aol.co.uk/tea-advert-cleared-of-racism-claim/article/20080326014909990003


Evil, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. It's ok to complain about something that upsets YOU but you shouldn't consider you're doing the deed on behalf of others who themselves may see no harm in it.

Here's how time magazine see us:

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_04/timeL2803_468x624.jpg (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_04/timeL2803_468x624.jpg)

British youth are violent, drunken and out of control, a leading American magazine concludes today.

The front cover of renowned publication Time Magazine depicts a young man in a "hoodie" with mugshots of others across a Union Jack.

Its headline reads: "Unhappy, Unloved and Out of Control - An epidemic of violence, crime and drunkenness has made Britain scared of its young."

It also pours scorn upon the parenting abilities of the British, claiming they do not spend enough time with their children and cannot cope.

The magazine criticises our class-riven society, education system and binge-drinking culture.

The weekly magazine, which goes on sale across the world today, cites a survey by the children's charity TS Rebel which found last year that more than a fifth of Britons avoided going out at night rather than risk encountering groups of intimidating youths.

A 3,200 word article states: "It's easy to see why.

"The boys and girls who casually pick fights, have sex and keep the emergency services fully occupied are often fuelled by cheap booze."

It says that British youngsters drink far more than their European counterparts, are more frequently involved in violence and are more likely to try drugs, adding that English girls are the most sexually active in Europe.

"Small wonder then, that a 2007 Unicef study of child well-being in 21 industrialised countries placed Britain firmly at the bottom of the table," the article states.

The magazine, which has a circulation of four million, has put the story on its international front cover. It will also feature the article in its US editions, providing further embarrassment to the Government.

Time also says that Labour's ambitious target of halving child poverty by 2010, set by Tony Blair, is unlikely to be achieved.

It states: "The British have a long propensity to recoil in horror from their children - whether they be Teddy boys in the 1950s, mods and rockers in the Sixties, skinheads in the Seventies or just a bunch of boisterous teens making a lot of noise but little real mischief.

"But it is also true that for what Bob Reitemeier, chief executive of the Children's Society, call a 'significant minority' of British children, unhappiness - and the criminality, excessive drinking and drug-taking and promiscuity that is its expression - really have created a crisis.

"All over the world, teenagers give their parents headaches.

"Why are the migraines induced by British kids felt across a whole society?

"Part of the reason may be that parents aren't always around to help socialise their children - or even just to show them affection.

"Compared to other cultures, British kids are less integrated into the adult world and spend more time with their peers.

"Add to the mix a class structure and an education system that rewards the advantaged, and some children are bound to be left in the cold."

The article expresses particular concern at Britain's binge-drinking culture.

"Alcohol Concern noted that one in three British men and one in five women drink double the amount considered safe at least once a week," it says, citing pictures of Princes William and Harry leaving nightclubs.

Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=547930&in_page_id=1770)

How very noble of a country that has been shooting each other to bits since time imemorial.

I'd rather look to the likes of France or Greece who are known to have close tight knit and family orientated communities - hey, rather like Britain just a few decades ago.

That's true Ged. People I know who live in Spain, tell me that everyday life there is a bit like how it used to be in UK 30 years ago.

This is going a bit off topic .. but they commented on how commercialism in UK has made Christmas like a rat race ( which we well know - - and Easter is going the same way) - and they say that Christmas in Spain is like how it used to be in Britain during the 1970s. people in their own homes, very family orientated, with some good food and some modest gifts - not all spending and boozing like here.

London 2008 and Harriet Harman wears a stab-proof vest ... to tour her own constituency!

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How sad

more (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=552428&in_page_id=1770)

London 2008 and Harriet Harman wears a stab-proof vest ... to tour her own constituency!

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_01/harmanDM3103_468x529.jpg

How sad

more (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=552428&in_page_id=1770)

exactly...it just doesn't go with that top!
fashion disaster...don't look http://www.cybersalt.org/cl_images/1zzzzxa/cats/catdogshock.jpg

Ha ha - very sharp - ooops :)

Our wonderful society:

Bullet-Proof Hoodies To Hit The Streets

Updated:07:24, Friday April 04, 2008

A new bullet-proof hoodie to protect against street violence is due to go on sale later this month.

more (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30400-1311754,00.html)

Words escape me :PDT_Xtremez_12::disgust:

Drug addicts are being handed free tickets to Premier League football matches as an incentive to beat their habit.




Repeat offenders seeking treatment for their alcohol and drug addictions have gained sought-after tickets to games including this weekend's Newcastle United vs Sunderland derby clash.
Community workers said the incentive helped reintegrate addicts into society.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=560128&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

Free tickets for football matches lets them have more to spend on thier addiction.

Just another item to the list of freebies they already get.

Phredd

britain is screwed because there are some great people ther but some time in the 60's / 70's you just forgot how to treat or accept eachother regardless of who they are , in NZ kids are still scallies ( smoke pot, drink piss, fight etc... )but they dont smash or break anything that they need or can use, I find the same in Aus and parts of the states,

I think its all down to the community and not just the family. There has been a distinct lack of a (local)community or (local)community cohesion for as long as i remember. Kids don't appreciate things because they are seldom included in anything, their families arn't included or don't get involved. If all people started being more involved in their local community then i think that it would be more manageable to deal with problem kids.

Even if people do get involved in certain aspects of the community, most groups work seperatly and not together, theres no link between them all.

Police have appealed for a man who witnessed the killing of a teenager at a London bakery to come forward.

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Jimmy Mizen had just turned 16

The white, middle-aged man holds "vital information" about the death of Jimmy Mizen, police said.

The 16-year-old was found with serious neck injuries in Lee, south east London on Saturday.

DCI Cliff Lyons said Jimmy was a teenager of "immaculate character" who was the victim of an "unprovoked and vicious attack".

Sky (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1315630,00.html)

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Gang of girls 'blew up house with home-made bomb over row about boy' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=565024&in_page_id=1770)

confront the father of a youth who stole your bike, spend a month in hospital being treated after 40 cowards attack you, yet this Huyton man finds nobody will be charged as the crown prosecution service dont think theres enough evidence.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/05/14/battered-senseless-for-making-a-stand-100252-20907452/

When was the last time we had an occasion that united us in happiness?
When both the family,the neighbours ,school and church got together to organise a party in celebration of some great thing?
I can remember the spirit engendered by the celebration of the Festival Of Britain(missed the actual festivities),the even more lavish celebrations organised for the Queens coronation brought us all together ,uniting in the act of happiness.We were not cash rich,but we were proud and respectful. The Queens Jubilee was the last occasion that we organised our neighbourhoods into street parties and fetes. When a certain politician announced that there was no such thing as Society,she was telling a truth that has become evident with every act of murder and violence that happens in our midst. We can get angry over someones tragedy,rage against the inability of good to prevail over evil,but until we get our political masters to do our bidding instead of them foisting their weird acts of legislation upon us,I cannot see any hope for our future. If we could get back to basics, follow the laws of Truth,Virtue and Justice,if we could instil in our young the ethics of a society that is for the common good and teach them difference between
right and wrong, we could give them the building blocks for the future.
I love my country, I have no hatred for any group or creed that offers me and mine no harm, I would rather offer the hand of friendship than the fist of violence. We are only on this planet for such a brief moment of time,a bit more love would make that time so much richer,
Pax Vobiscum,
BrianD (of no religious grouping)

did anyone see that road police programme on tv last night?

aparently prisoners have a key to their own cells, tv etc in Walton J.

The fella who was caught driving whilst disqualified couldn't wait to get back inside....a break from his girlfriend he quipped. :disgust:

did anyone see that road police programme on tv last night?

aparently prisoners have a key to their own cells, tv etc in Walton J.

The fella who was caught driving whilst disqualified couldn't wait to get back inside....a break from his girlfriend he quipped. :disgust:

Incredible! What's the world coming to??? :PDT_Xtremez_12:

No 'full-time' workers in 4.6 million British households - Tories
Published by Jon Land on Friday 16th May 2008

There are more than 4.5 million households in the UK where no one works full-time, according to research released by the Conservatives today.

The figure of 4.66 million households - which does not include homes occupied by pensioners - is up by more than 200,000 since 1997, when Labour came to power, said shadow work and pensions secretary Chris Grayling.

It means that some 10.9 million people live in households where there are working-age adults but no full-time workers.

Areas where half or more of households had no one working full-time include Liverpool Riverside (51%), North Hull (50%) and Rochdale (50%), said the Tories.

Worst affected region is the North East, where 29% of households have no full-time worker, compared to a national average of 25% and 21% in the South-East.

Mr Grayling said: "These figures show the true picture of the failure of welfare reform under Gordon Brown.

"It is unbelievable that this Government thinks it has achieved full employment when a quarter of households have no one in full-time work."

Other areas with high proportions of households with no full-time workers include Edmonton in north London, Birmingham Ladywood and Regents Park & Kensington North (all 46%), and Birmingham Hodge Hill, Vauxhall in south London and Manchester Blackley (45%).

Source: 24dash.com (http://www.24dash.com/news/Housing/2008-05-16-No-full-time-workers-in-4-5-million-British-households-Tories)

Conservatives accused of "stigmatising" Merseyside parents
May 16 2008
Liverpool Daily Post

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THE Tories were accused of “stigmatising” poor Merseyside parents last night, after claiming many resembled the feckless star of the TV show, Shameless.

Chris Grayling, the “shadow minister for Liverpool”, attacked irresponsible mothers and fathers who – like the anti-hero Frank Gallagher on the Channel 4 programme – failed to teach basic skills such as talking and eating, or a need to work.

Mr Grayling, the Conservative work spokesman, said such parents were concentrated in pockets of Merseyside, where up to half of households had no-one in full-time work.

He highlighted the parliamentary constituencies of Liverpool Riverside (51%), Birkenhead (43%), Bootle (41%), Liverpool West Derby (40%) and Halton (39%) as problem areas let down by Labour.

And he said: “Many parts of our society no longer know how to bring up children. We live in a country where, in many places, Frank Gallagher-style parenting has become the norm and not the exception.

“Frank’s kids might have turned out all right, but that was more luck than good judgment – and no thanks to him. There are too many communities where parents no longer know what good parenting is.”

But the Tory spokesman was quickly condemned by a children’s charity, which said his comments mirrored the party’s past attacks on lone parents – an attitude Mr Grayling has now apologised for.

Clare Tickell, of the NCH, said: “Any use of negative labels to describe vulnerable parents risks stigmatising and isolating those most in need.

“The fear of being labelled a bad parent deters adults from seeking help – perpetuating the problem of repeating bad parenting skills across the generations. It is time to move on from labelling and punishing parents to providing proper support.”

Speaking to the Daily Post, Mr Grayling said he spotted the resemblance on a recent walk through Toxteth, where he bumped into a little girl who had fallen off a huge bicycle.

He said: “She was clutching a bag of coins, having been sent to the shops on her own to buy cigarettes.”

Mr Grayling also highlighted a road, off Warwick Street, where a charity worker pointed to just three homes out of 50-odd where a parent was in work.

Insisting work was available, he added: “Just a mile away in central Liverpool, there is huge building work on a massive new shopping centre.”

The interview came as the Conservatives prepared to step up their plans to tackle the long-term unemployed.

Mr Grayling plans New York-style “back to work” centres, where private firms will be paid by results to get people into jobs.

Source: Liverpool Daily Post (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2008/05/16/conservatives-accused-of-stigmatising-merseyside-parents-64375-20919366/)