Liverpool alleys and passage ways

[gregs dad]

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This is between Tower Buildings and St Nicks

[Ged]

I have some photos of Liverpool back passages, i'll post them later.

[edwardo]

I hope your not going to post a pic of my back pasage.you swore you'd never tell.

[Kev]

love the thread :handclap:

[Samp]

DO you have to be a member?

[Broliv]

Do you have a point to make?

[Ged]

There seems to be hole lot of innuendo on here!

[Kev]

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[wallasey]

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If they were too narrow...Birkenhead's got a good few that are of that width!

[gregs dad]

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This is Tyrer Street,it is at the side of the Tesco Metro in the city

[Ged]

Maddox Street. Home to my great grandad according to the 1911 census. Maddox Street ran off Scotland Road alongside the original St. Martin's market. This alley belongs to No.3 court, he lived in No.7. The whitewashed walls added a bit of reflected light and the walls are braced with wood. A chap is seen standing at the far end, probably a council worker given his attire.

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[ItsaZappathing]

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There can't of been many fat people around in those days!!!:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[taffy]

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This is Tyrer Street,it is at the side of the Tesco Metro in the city

Nice photo Joe. My lot had offices and warehouse in this street from about 1810 to 1840

[gregs dad]

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Off Harrington St by the Crocidile Bar
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From the other side
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Princes St
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Temple Lane

[gregs dad]

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Brooks Alley
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Roe Alley

[Spike]

once again great pics Joe :handclap:

[Kev]

Love 'em cheers, the buildings on the first pic on the left are fab :handclap:

[Mollie]

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the entries round the back of both my nan's houses in the Dingle were like that. I always have memories of loads of stray dogs hanging around in those days.

[Paddy]

Down the back streets we called them jiggers. I hated wild dogs and there was a few about. We taught a parrot in Bootle to say Liverpool instead of Everton while his owner was at work. Sat on the backyard wall everyday for hours telling it to say Liverpool. The ownwer went mad when the parrot changed colours. The jiggers smelled and people threw all kinds of stuff in them. Still growing up you don't think about it so much. At night the cats would cry, awfull noise they made.

[gregs dad]

Anyone remember the art of "berrying" or "bellying" as some peoople called it .
You had to leap from one wall to the other in the back entries. The easy ones were the two walls were of the same height and it was possible to jump
on your feet.Then there was the ones with the opposite wall being higher which you leapt and hung on with you hands before pulling yourself up onto the wall. The next one the opposite wall was lower which if you had good balance you jumped with you feet if not you leapt down to hit it with your belly and hands. Some were wider and higher and were classed as difficult.
There was always a few of us with plaster of paris on our bones.
When the Flash Gordon films were on the kids matinee,sacks were used as cloaks as we attempted to fly off the the back entry walls like Flash.

[gregs dad]

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Passageway to Bold St
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Back Bold Street

[Kev]

I love all these nooks and crannies :PDT11

[ItsaZappathing]

Great pics GD once again.
Wouldn't you think they would of done something with that ugly graffitti'd walkway.?.A lick of paint would of been a start:PDT10

[gregs dad]

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Hockenhall Alley
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Hockenhall Alley
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Davies Street
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From the top of Progress Place
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From the bottom of Progress Place, notice the small rubber traffic humps

[Kev]

Cracking views Joe, You've given me a bit of inspiration to get out and find these largely unseen parts of our city.

Kev

[18stanley]

Thanks for the pics, Greg's Dad - as always something untoward and
interesting.
And even the alleyways are in the sunshine!
Stan H.

[wsteve55]

Hi all,
does anyone here know when the use of the word WEINT,went out of use? Apparently, some of the alleyways,and small streets,down near the riverfront/town centre, were so named. i.e. Dawson's weint. These were still in existance in the 60's/70's!
Thanks Steve.

[Ged]

Yes, there was Ogden's Weint off Litherland Alley near to Benn's Gardens and Prison Weint near Tower Buildings. They seem to stem from the second lot of street naming after the original 7 streets in the 'H' shape.

[Davec]

There's a Grange Weint off Grange Lane in Childwall, you can enter it by car but the far end is just a footpath.
Doesn't look very 'weinty'.

Dave.

[wsteve55]

Thanks Ged,Davec,
I wondered where the term came from,as I'd certainly never heard of it, before I saw a mention of it, on here! Dave, your mention of Grange weint,reminded me, that I had recently passed by this,not far from the site of Childwall hall,I think? And yeh, I agree,not even slightly weinty.:nod:

[gregs dad]

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Lower Castle Street
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Union Court
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and Union Court again
The models fees were a pastie and a drink

[Kev]

Love 'em Joe, some hidden gems there.

Kev

[18stanley]

Well, at least that one is being kept clean, neat and tidy. Still, however big
they make those 'wheelybins' it's amazing how we always manage to see
them full up to the top with late arrivals clustered round the bottom.
Nice homely pics, Greg's Dad, always a pleasure to see them.
Stan H.

[scouse smurf]

I'm surprised they've not got them big black gates on yet !!

[gregs dad]

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This is off Tithebarn St

[gregs dad]

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Button Street, leading to the Beatles quarter,there are a few revamped old warehouses here.
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Peter Street ,this is behind the Conservation Centre which was the old Midland Railway depot

[ChrisGeorge]

Wonderful photographs once again, Joe! :handclap:

Chris :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Ged]

I went into that top blue gate just last monday for a little tour. I expected to find the old tram lines and cobbles that once existed in there but the place was ripped out and sanitised. Some good models and statues being restored though.

[George]

Do you have a point to make?

He lost hise knife.:rolleyes:

[George]

Maddox Street. Home to my great grandad according to the 1911 census. Maddox Street ran off Scotland Road alongside the original St. Martin's market. This alley belongs to No.3 court, he lived in No.7. The whitewashed walls added a bit of reflected light and the walls are braced with wood. A chap is seen standing at the far end, probably a council worker given his attire.

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St Martins Market? my thats a posh word for it Ged,as far as I recollect it was called Paddys Market :) that geezer up the enny was the local debt collector doing his rounds as some housies did'nt like the nieghbours knowing they were on the never never wagon so asked the detty to knock on the back door,yep you could leave teh backy open in those days:shock:

[gregs dad]

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This is in the Beatle`s quarter.

[Ged]

The Bears Paw/Swiss Chalet was the pub on the riater the Harrington Bar.

What's all those criss cross lines overhead. Has La Princess been weaving a web or is a tramcar due?

[gregs dad]

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Believe it or not this is Everton View off Derby Road. It leads to a footbridge over the canal onto Canal St. The old Bootle Borough hospital can just be seen at the end.

[gregs dad]

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This can`t make up it`s mind if it is a street or a lane

[taffy]

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This is in the Beatle`s quarter.

Nice one Joe. I believe this street was named after the Liverpool Slave Trader, Felix Dorans of Everton.

[gregs dad]

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looking up Preston Street
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looking down Preston Street
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Shaw Hill Street

[ItsaZappathing]

Only just noticed these recent pics....Cracker pics once again all.:handclap::handclap:

[gregs dad]

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Back Bridport Street,with a magnificent mural on a building
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A close up of the mural, looks as if it was done some years ago by the growth in the front. At first look it could be Liverpool cathedral,or some church.Anybody seen it all ?

[Kev]

No mate but a huge thanks for the views :)

[gregs dad]

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Pudsey St,with Ma Egertons pub at the end,the blank wall is the rear of the Empire Theatre

[scouse smurf]

Excellent pics, GD but I am starting to get worried about the amount of time u're spending down alleyways lol

[gregs dad]

There`s not many public toilets around these days Smurf

[scouse smurf]

There`s not many public toilets around these days Smurf

lol, so true and u've gotta spend at least 20p in the ones that are still about !!!

[gregs dad]

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Passing through Back Bridport St today and a door was open so I was able to see the rest of the mural. It looks like the construction of the Cathedral.

[scouse smurf]

Passing through Back Bridport St today and a door was open so I was able to see the rest of the mural. It looks like the construction of the Cathedral.

u sure u didn't climb over the wall ?

[naked lilac]

Thats' some fine artwork.. ta for finding it and sharing.. Nice...:handclap:

[Tippo]

Hi Kev,
How abt Leather's Lane, I used to go there often to
Dwerryhouses the clock people with racing pigeon clocks
in the fifties to have the round spindles in the toulet clocks
changed to sqaure spindles to stop fiddling.

Cheer's,
Tippo.:034:


Cracking views Joe, You've given me a bit of inspiration to get out and find these largely unseen parts of our city.

Kev

[gregs dad]

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Ryleys Gardens,this is a single building off Moorfields on waste ground
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Eberle Street with Garlands and the Artist`s Club
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Leather Lane leading to Rigbby`s Pub

[gregs dad]

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Back Knight Street

[wsteve55]

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Back Knight Street

Is this up from Renshaw st,Joe?

[gregs dad]

Is this up from Renshaw st,Joe?

Off Berry Street,Steve

[wsteve55]

Nearly right!

[wsteve55]

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This is in the Beatle`s quarter.

Hi Joe,
wondered if you,(or Ged) knew anything of the history of a "gentlemans" club,that apparently existed,at the far,right, end of this alley,in the19th century? There were tales of various strange goings-on,by the members,but I can't remember where,or what I read it in,or even if it's the same building,which was recently a cafe!
Thanks Steve

[wsteve55]

The above "club" had some sort of name like "Rotters"club,where members had to perform initiation challenges,and the like!I'm sure there were several well known local businessmen,and politicians,involved!

P.S. I've just thought on,that it's name might have been the original "Bears Paw"?

[Ged]

It was the bears paw.

[Ged]

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[Ged]

This posting somehow repeated twice more. :shock:

[wsteve55]

It was the bears paw.

Any info' on it Ged?

[gregs dad]

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Davies Street,off Dale Street

[pablo42]

Great pic Joe. Nice and moody.

[knowhowe]

Hi all,
does anyone here know when the use of the word WEINT,went out of use? Apparently, some of the alleyways,and small streets,down near the riverfront/town centre, were so named. i.e. Dawson's weint. These were still in existance in the 60's/70's!
Thanks Steve.

I found these interesting bits on a Neston website-

http://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/Cheshire/Neston/CH64/Who-When-Why/Answers-to-Correspondents/132920-Why-Pykes-Weint

"You write about Pyke's Weint in the news letter. I would like to know the meaning and origin of the word Weint and its relationship to Pyke's in Pyke's Weint. I have tried various reference books, all to no avail in the quest to find an answer. Your assistance or your readers, would be appreciated.
Les Walker, Neston".

The article below has just appeared in Neston Civic Society's Newsletter. It's a place to find out about Neston and the area! Membership is ?5 per household a year -contact is Janet Griffiths (janet.griffiths@nestoncivicsociety.org.uk or phone 0151 336 5478)

"What?s a weint?
In Neston we have Poplar Weint, a narrow path between Liverpool Road and Leighton Road, and Penningtons Weint, a passage from High Street to the Chester Road car park, between Goulbourne?s greengrocer and Phillip Bates Financial Services. In Parkgate we have Mealors Weint, a short road off the Parade.
None of my dictionaries defines weint. An internet search (confused by the large number of songs in German about weeping!) shows that other places in the North West have a weint.

In Cumbria, Ulverston propose to upgrade The Weint, a small yard linking Buxton Place Car Park to Ulverston town centre ? which sounds very like our Penningtons Weint. Great Urswick, also in Cumbria, has a long footpath called Weint Lane, which becomes a walled lane.

In Liverpool, East of Georges Dock Basin, Prison Weint is an ancient passage off Water Street, and was formerly called Stringers-alley. Liverpool also has Ogden Weint, which is described as having been opened out so it was no longer an alley, but an open space. Gatacre has Grange Weint.

In Wigan, The Weind used to be spelt Weint, and in 1825 three residents were listed.

Rixton, Warrington, also has The Weint.

Nearer home we have a Wiend in Rock Ferry, and another in Bebington. Is that the same word?

I suppose weint is a synonym for alley, and perhaps some members of the Civic Society know the history of the word.

Meanwhile it would be good to preserve the word. Maybe other alleys could be named. For example, a little alley leads from West Drive to a footpath along the old colliery railway branch line, and then to Old Quay Lane. A tiny alley joins Manorial Road South with Manorial Road North, and from there a little alley leads to the southern end of The Parade. As far as I know, none of these has a name. Neston is full of such alleys/ weints, and it would be good to have a map that showed them.

In January 2009 Ellesmere Port and Neston Borough Council voted to improve Pennington?s Weint and Pyke?s Weint. Staff in Neston Town Hall didn?t know where Pyke?s Weint was, but helpfully got me a map. This shows in handwriting Pyke?s Weint running from High Street between Galen Pharmacy and the closed camera shop, which is used for vehicles part of the way, and then becomes a footpath to the Chester Road car park. So far, it has no sign, but I?ve suggested to the council that the improvements should include a sign.

In Neston 1840 ? 1940 (published by Burton and South Wirral Local History Society 1996) p 142 says that the Wirral hundred court, sometimes called the Wirral Wapentake was held at Neston (then the largest township in Wirral) in a building at the northern corner of Pykes Weint from 1829 to 1853.

Page 181 of Neston 1840 ? 1940 says that in1902 a woman and her two daughters were convicted of keeping a brothel in Pyke's Weint. These three were commemorated in a Neston rhyme: "Talk about Pyke's Weint, We have the best of any, We have got the best three girls, Et, Kit and Nelly."

After I wrote this, I found that Clive Edwards wrote an article on Pennington?s Weint for the Neston Civic Society Newsletter no. 54, Autumn/ Winter 1997. His ancestors were Penningtons and he paid for the street name. He comments that the word weint appears around Newcastle-on-Tyne, and that it is a Scandinavian word".
"Weint (alternative Waint) is defined in the 'Chambers Scots Dialect Dictionary' complied by Alexander Warrick, M A and originally published in 1911.

There are a number of definitions including 'a moment', 'a transient sight', or 'the bend of a fishing line when not cast in one stretch'.

With regard to the usage as in 'Pyke Weint', the definition of 'Weint' is either 'a narrow passage' or 'an alley'.
Phil McGinty, Neston".

So now we know.

[wsteve55]

Hi k',Thanks for the info'! The weint in gateacre is a modern development,but I dont know if this was an original name,or a developers novelty! Just seems odd,that the name disappeared,almost overnight!

[gregs dad]

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Fazakerley Street

[ChrisGeorge]

What a fabulous photograph, Joe. Could win a prize I think. Good work.

C