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THE biggest-ever private housing development in the heart of Liverpool will provide more than 850 homes, the Daily Post can reveal today.
London-based developers The Windsor Group will this week deliver a massive vote of confidence in Liverpool's continuing renaissance by submitting a planning application for their £270m project within the Baltic Triangle area.
The company wants to attract families back into the heart of the city by building three-bedroomed homes, which will stand opposite the dockside Wapping Warehouse development.
The scheme for the site - between Blundell Street, Jamaica Street and Wapping - envisages the creation of eight new buildings, comprising 851 mainly two and three bed apartments. There will also be 70,000 sq ft of leisure, retail and office space.
The project is the latest phase in the Windsor Group's L1 development, which proposes to transform an inner-city industrial area into a new vibrant city centre quarter.
Work is already well under way on Windsor's first phase - three residential buildings which are taking shape on the site once occupied by ships' chandlers Joseph T Lamb.
Windsor Group director Roger Darwin said last night: "This application demonstrates our confidence in Liverpool's future.
"We are proposing a £270m investment to create a series of stunning buildings and linked spaces on a key site between The Paradise Street Project and King's Waterfront development areas, supporting the aims of Liverpool Vision's emerging masterplan for the area.
"I believe that each of these developments, including our own, adds to and enhances the others, and together they will totally transform this southern area of the city centre into an area bustling with an attractive retail offer, commercial facilities, high quality apartments and hotels which will vastly improve visitor options."
Mr Darwin added: "We are not seeking to replicate what is already on offer in abundance in Liverpool city centre, nor are we interested in building single-bed boxes for the investor market.
"We believe that by providing higher quality and more spacious apartments we will attract a new and more diverse residential population.
"We believe that The Baltic Triangle is the right place to build a new kind of residential community and the L1 development is offering the right product."
Phil Furlong, from property specialists Venmore Thomas & Jones, said last night: "This is going to have a tremendous impact on the city as we are almost building a new location. It will attract a different type of buyer, the sort of buyer who hasn't been particularly attracted to Liverpool before.
"The apartments are for the discerning purchaser who can afford to buy the best. This is an exciting addition to the Liverpool property market."
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PLANS to build the biggest-ever private housing development in the heart of Liverpool would be disastrous for the city, regeneration experts warned last night.
The £270m Baltic Triangle scheme would see more than 850 homes built opposite the dockside Wapping Warehouse site.
But yesterday it was claimed the eight apartment blocks harked back to 1960s tower blocks and would soon become a blot on the city's landscape.
Cllr Steve Munby, Labour spokesman for regeneration, said: "This would be disastrous for the city. We would be left with the 21st century of 1960s tower blocks, which would blight the city for generations to come.
"We are in real danger of repeating the mistakes made 40 years ago.
"We need something much more sophisticated than this. It should be used for a mixture of green space and retail, not just flats. "
"This is a very important site. It is the fulcrum of the Kings Dock, Paradise Street, the Ropewalks, the cathedrals and the regeneration to the south of the city.
"We don't need vast numbers of characterless blocks forming an impermeable obstacle on that land."
London-based developers the Windsor Group has submitted a planning application for the scheme, which spans the area between Blundell Street, Jamaica Street and Wapping. Although it has been billed by the company as a development of family homes, it is made up mainly of two and three bed apartments.
Work has already started on phase one of the scheme, three residential buildings on the site once occupied by ships' chandlers Joseph T Lamb..
The scheme also includes 70,000 sq ft of leisure, retail and office space.
Liverpool's city centre population is expected to grow by 57% over the next decade
But a recent Centre for Cities report, by the Institute for Public Policy Research, found that students would still form the largest proportion of those moving in and out of the L1 postcode.
Liverpool University civic design senior lecturer Sue Kidd said: "There are developments coming in to the city, but one of the biggest criticisms from people is that there are not the services they would expect for a residential environment."
Roger Darwin, Windsor group director, said: "Cllr Munby's response to a £270m investment that will create 600 new jobs and bring in 2,000 residents is incomprehensible.
"We believe we can attract new people into the city centre by offering a new product within a new, residential development.
"It is not feasible or desirable to propose low-density suburban dwelling in a city centre area like the Baltic Triangle."
samlister@dailypost.co.uk
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Currently a huge building site next to the Paradise Street development, right in front of the Formule 1 hotel
They have got going on this:
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A.D.Williams
04-13-2006, 09:06 PM
Ohhhhh! How did you get in there, Kev?
:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13
Dave, behind the Baltic Fleet. It is exposed there apart from a 6ft metal fence and I just climbed up.
THE £60m plan to transform one of Liverpool's oldest dockside buildings, Heap's Rice Mill, into luxury apartments moved a stage closer yesterday.
Plans for a residential complex have been lodged with city council planners by US developers Apollo Bannertown.
Heap's Rice Mill development, situated within the city's Baltic Triangle and bordered by Rope Works, the Paradise Street Development Area and King's Waterfront, will consist of 355 one and two-bed apartments.
There will also be 200 car parking spaces available and a new public square and gardens.
The old warehouse, overlooking the Albert Dock, will be converted and there are proposals for two new buildings on the site in a scheme entirely funded by private money and cost around £60m.
The scheme will create 200 construction jobs for local workers, as well as preserving and refurbishing the historic Heap's Rice Mill.
The scheme will now be assessed by planning officers before being put to the council's planning committee later this year.
If the go-ahead is given by councillors, the aim is to start work later this year and complete the project in 2008.
Meanwhile, in a separate scheme a few hundred yards away, Channel Islands-based Lotta Properties want to build a 22-storey residential tower.
Jason Gray, from the Liverpool office of chartered surveyors Gerald Eve, brought the Heap's site to Apollo Bannertown's attention.
He said: "Its enviable position between King's Waterfront, Albert Dock and Paradise Street means it always offered the potential for a prestigious landmark development.
It's within walking distance of some of Liverpool's key commercial and leisure destinations and close to a number of major development sites that will transform Liverpool over the next five years.
"The mill's architectural heritage meant we needed a developer with flair and imagination as well as financial muscle. This development is particularly in tune with the growing demands of city living and the images show just how well Apollo Bannertown has responded to this unique development opportunity."
Developers Apollo Bannertown is a collaboration of Surrey-based property group Bannertown and Apollo Real Estate Advisors, an international company based in America.
Lotta Properties, based in St Helier, Jersey, have hired Manchester architects Chapman Robinson to design a new residential scheme at Queens Dock, close to Leo's Casino.
As well as the 22-storey tower, there will be a three storey block housing duplex apartments along with garden decks overlooking the dock.
There will also be a health club for residents' use.
Paul D
07-14-2006, 04:33 PM
This is a massive scheme this I remember seeing the pictures on skyscraper city and I'd love to see it win approval,that story is taking a positive slant on things so that's usually a good sign.:PDT_Piratz_26:
What about the Baltic Fleet pub? Will that be saved?!
Be gutted if not, it's one of the best pubs in town! :PDT_Aliboronz_24:
bazzacat
07-14-2006, 05:05 PM
Its staying as far as I know, it appears in the foreground of one of the renders
Paul D
07-14-2006, 05:44 PM
What about the Baltic Fleet pub? Will that be saved?!
Be gutted if not, it's one of the best pubs in town! :PDT_Aliboronz_24:
The baltic Fleet is defo going nowhere.:)
Paul D
07-14-2006, 05:45 PM
I hope the colour scheme is toned down a bit it's like something they'd build in Leeds.
A.D.Williams
07-21-2006, 06:38 PM
Friday 21st July 2006.
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/sdock/bigbaltic210706.jpg
Queens Dock Tower
Queens Dock Tower is a £15m mixed development with flats, health club with swimming pool some shops and bars. The architect explored 3 options with regard to the position of the tower and chose the southerly position because it had less visual impact from Parliament St, Chaloner St & Sefton St.
The building is clad with a smooth skin of varied coloured glazed panels and sheet zinc cladding.
The height to the roofline was given as 67.m and 68.5m to the top of a fin.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/5778/queensdocktowerimage1hw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2083/queensdocktowerimage2yp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/6827/queensdocktowerimage3az4.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/259/queensdocktowerimage4gx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/8703/queensdocktowerimage5wn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
(c) Doug Roberts
Paul D
08-03-2006, 06:52 PM
I really like this I'd love the Waterfront to continue as far as Otterspool with unusual classy buildings like this I hope it gets approved.
I really like this I'd love the Waterfront to continue as far as Otterspool with unusual classy buildings like this I hope it gets approved.
Anything is better than whats there at the moment. The Vermont Tower opposite should compliment the area quite well.
Paul D
08-03-2006, 07:06 PM
Anything is better than whats there at the moment. The Vermont Tower opposite should compliment the area quite well.
I know the potential for the Baltic Triangle area is unbelievable so let's hope these projects get approved and give us a bit of balance with our skyline,the south end at the moment is sadly lacking but I've a feeling that's about to change.
ALMOST 200 building workers have been laid off after work stopped again at a £50m luxury flats scheme in Liverpool.
Construction group Laing O'Rourke said it suspended building work at the L1 development on the Baltic Triangle after talks with its client, Liverpool based Windsor Developments.
Negotiations between the two companies took place in London on Wednesday and will resume again today, but both sides declined to comment on reasons for the latest suspension, which follows another hold-up in June when builders were withdrawn from the job.
A Laing O'Rourke spokesman would only say: "Laing O'Rourke can confirm that on Monday, July 31, after discussions with its client, it suspended work on the L1 project in Liverpool."
A Windsor statement added: "We are in detailed discussions with Laing O'Rourke regarding the next phase."
But builders at the site told the ECHO, during their mid-morning break, that 40 staff were laid off a fortnight ago, 50 went last week and 100 more will be laid off this week.
"We're just stripping out the job now before we leave," said one, who asked not to be named.
Laing O'Rourke said they try to find alternative work for staff in such situations: "Some of the workers have moved off-site.
Laing O'Rourke always investigates opportunities to relocate staff to other projects and this process is underway," the spokesman said.
The L1 project comprises three blocks of luxury apartments. The first phase is worth £50m and the second phase is valued at £270m.
In early June, Laing O'Rourke with-drew 60 staff from the L1 scheme while Windsor held talks with its bankers about a "wider funding package" for the project as a whole.
L1 is completely separate to the £920m Liverpool One scheme by Grosvenor on nearby Paradise Street.
wallasey
08-07-2006, 10:56 PM
Sorry but those Artist's impressions don't do the Queens Dock tower any justice. Hopefully the building will be more pleasing to look at in the flesh!
But it's great to see some development comming further down the Dock Road, I know that the Marina and everything is down here but hopefully the skyline will have more to boast about rather than the gasometer from Bread!
Paul D
09-27-2006, 06:21 AM
Both the Heaps Rice mill and Queens Dock Tower developments were approved by council yesterday.:celb (23):
The tower will be visible to traffic heading down Upper Parliament Street towards the river front, and will form one of what is expected to be a cluster of tall buildings with an even bigger scheme planned for the site opposite on the former Norton scrap yard at the junction of Parliament Street and Sefton Street.
The committee unanimously backed the scheme.
Source (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17825979%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=green%2dlight%2dfor%2dhigh%2drise%2dblo cks-name_page.html)....
Both the Heaps Rice mill:celb (23):
Paul, have we got a thread for the Heaps Mill Tower Scheme, 3 towers isnt it?
snappel
09-27-2006, 10:07 AM
Would be interesting to see what they plan to do to it, if anyone's got any more info? Also, does anyone have any history on the place - I couldn't find much.
Paul D
09-27-2006, 03:23 PM
The tower will be visible to traffic heading down Upper Parliament Street towards the river front, and will form one of what is expected to be a cluster of tall buildings with an even bigger scheme planned for the site opposite on the former Norton scrap yard at the junction of Parliament Street and Sefton Street.
The committee unanimously backed the scheme.
Source (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_objectid=17825979%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=green%2dlight%2dfor%2dhigh%2drise%2dblo cks-name_page.html)....
I noticed that myself hopefully we'll hear more soon.
Paul D
09-27-2006, 03:24 PM
Paul, have we got a thread for the Heaps Mill Tower Scheme, 3 towers isnt it?
I think it's a mix of warehouse conversions and new build.
kenotoole123@msn.com
09-27-2006, 04:29 PM
Three 'Six Storey' Blocks I seem to remember....
snappel
09-28-2006, 11:20 AM
Are they planning to demolish the mill buildings? :angry:
Paul D
09-28-2006, 03:03 PM
Are they planning to demolish the mill buildings? :angry:
No they'll be incorporated into this scheme.:)
Heaps Rice
Mill
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scouserdave
11-02-2006, 09:29 PM
A few shots taken earlier
today.
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/baltic2006001.jpg
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/baltic2006002.jpg
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Paul D
11-03-2006, 11:51 AM
I'd love to live there...
scouserdave
11-13-2006, 10:28 PM
Some more shots fom the Baltic area.
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/baltic2006004.jpg
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/baltic2006005.jpg
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/baltic2006006.jpg
Great pics Dave, hows the L1 developemnt going along, there hasn't been any action for months. Feels like months anyways.
snappel
11-14-2006, 12:38 PM
Looking good... anything moving in the rice mill yet?
scouserdave
11-14-2006, 12:41 PM
Looking good... anything moving in the rice mill yet?
Nah. The place is dead.
Paul D
12-02-2006, 07:05 PM
Looking good... anything moving in the rice mill yet?
The warehouses facing Norton's scrap yard were being demolished the other week to make way for the Vermont tower,this junction will look great when this is built.
I was that Paul, didn't get a pic unfortunately but good too see it going, once it happens there's no stopping them!
The Santa Dash tomorrow should take runners past it, I'll try and grab a pic then.
Paul D
12-02-2006, 07:07 PM
I was that Paul, didn't get a pic unfortunately but good too see it going, once it happens there's no stopping them!
The Santa Dash tomorrow should take runners past it, I'll try and grab a pic then.
Nice one Kev hopefully it's gone now.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
marky
12-02-2006, 11:23 PM
Sefton street/Coburg dock area:
I only managed to get a couple of pics...probably gone now. This was how they looked Friday. Further up the road, Harry Ramsdens is having some clearing out...workmen were smashing-up the kids play area/removing some stuff into skips. Could well go sometime in the near future.
christy
12-03-2006, 02:17 AM
Mad to see Park lane without Greenbergs!
Made up that whole area is now seeing some decent development. Hopefully it will be well planned and fit into the whole plan for the city. Love seeing all the development but sometimes I worry at the scale of so much speculative investment happening side by side at the same time without any reference to any sort of city masterplan. Hopefully they will all mesh together ok. Having said that, the same things that worries me give an amazing buzz of anticipation. An exciting time to be living in our city. (hopefully someone will now have the bottle to plan for the replacement of those nasty out of place (but well meaning) suburban estates built off Park Lane and on the other side of town by Clarence street and Holy Cross with something more in keeping with a city centre)
The Teardrop Explodes
12-03-2006, 02:25 AM
Mad to see Park lane without Greenbergs!
Made up that whole area is now seeing some decent development. Hopefully it will be well planned and fit into the whole plan for the city. Love seeing all the development but sometimes I worry at the scale of so much speculative investment happening side by side at the same time without any reference to any sort of city masterplan. Hopefully they will all mesh together ok. Having said that, the same things that worries me give an amazing buzz of anticipation. An exciting time to be living in our city. (hopefully someone will now have the bottle to plan for the replacement of those nasty out of place (but well meaning) suburban estates built off Park Lane and on the other side of town by Vlarence street and Holy Cross with something more in keeping with a city centre)
Totally right about the need to address the lifeless 'low-density' residential 'anywheresville' sludge which over the past couple of decades have incurred to within 1-2.5 of the city centre.
Thanks for the pics Christy :PDT_Piratz_26:
A.D.W
12-03-2006, 04:10 PM
Er....sorry! I only lent on the barrier and the whole bloody lot went down, officer!
:shock:
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/seftonst/bseft0312061.jpg
A.D.W
12-03-2006, 04:11 PM
Liverpool! Liverpool! Liverpool!
Hurrah!
:)
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/seftonst/bseft0312063.jpg
I wondered who was responsible for that mess :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:
DEVELOPERS behind the city's biggest private residential scheme are being told they must make 15% of the homes family-sized.
Restrictions on how the Baltic Triangle can be used have been drawn up, and include conditions about creating a public area and limits on the scale of the buildings.
Windsor Group, the main developer in the area, has submitted two planning applications but will now submit revised plans early next year.
Windsor's scheme is part of a massive redevelopment of an area of land immediately adjacent to Kings Dock and the Baltic Fleet pub.
The L1 project comprises three blocks of luxury apartments. First phase is worth £50m and the second £270m.
IC Liverpol
snappel
01-21-2007, 07:13 PM
Wanted to climb one of the L1 cranes, but they're all locked! The bottom of the building site is flooded, so obviously nobody's been doing any work in there recently.
http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/l1/Dsc_0124.jpg
http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/l1/Dsc_0127.jpg
http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/l1/Dsc_0134.jpg
^^ Still excellent photees ^^ :handclap:
DEVELOPERS behind the city's biggest private residential scheme are being told they must make 15% of the homes family-sized.
Restrictions on how the Baltic Triangle can be used have been drawn up, and include conditions about creating a public area and limits on the scale of the buildings.
Windsor Group, the main developer in the area, has submitted two planning applications but will now submit revised plans early next year.
Windsor's scheme is part of a massive redevelopment of an area of land immediately adjacent to Kings Dock and the Baltic Fleet pub.
The L1 project comprises three blocks of luxury apartments. First phase is worth £50m and the second £270m.
IC Liverpol
What would count as family size? Council Houses aren't family sized.
Er....sorry! I only lent on the barrier and the whole bloody lot went down, officer!
:shock:
http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/seftonst/bseft0312061.jpg
I want to know what were you eating to have put enough force to knock them down like dominoes!:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24: :eek:
A.D.W
01-22-2007, 12:25 AM
Six weetabix with cold milk, Max!
Yum.
:)
Been years since I ate a nice weetabix.
I mostly have bacon for Breakfast or sometimes eggs.
Paul D
02-03-2007, 04:59 PM
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5381/qduy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
This is the approved 22 storey Queens Dock tower,it should look good next to the Vermont tower.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5381/qduy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
This is the approved 22 storey Queens Dock tower,it should look good next to the Vermont tower.
Are you sure? It looks like the Vermont Tower to me which you just posted on another thread.
Paul D
02-04-2007, 04:52 AM
Are you sure? It looks like the Vermont Tower to me which you just posted on another thread.
You might have a point there.:rolleyes:
THE future of a £50m luxury Liverpool flats scheme is in doubt after almost six months of inactivity at the Baltic triangle site.
Known as L1, the Windsor Group development was hit by two stoppages last year due to contract disputes between Windsor and its builder, Laing O’Rourke.
In August Laing O’Rourke removed almost 200 builders from the site in the latest row, believed to have been over the timing of payments by the developer.
Last September Windsor part-owner Roger Darwin said he was confident a deal could be worked out and work could recommence.
But the site has been in limbo since then with no prospect of a return to normal construction work. continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_method=full%26objectid=18641375%26siteid=50061-name_page.html)....
I've often wondered whats going on (or not) there when I driven past lately, had thought things hadnt got any higher
At my desk in work I sit facing those cranes and for the past ?? months (been so long I can't remember), apart from getting blown by the wind, they've not moved. In the last couple of days, two of the four cranes have been taken down. Not a good sign :Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13
marky
04-07-2007, 01:26 AM
I heard some tittle-tattle about the Baltic site...though who knows if it's true or not. Anyway I heard Laing were owed a few million, so rather than take a big loss in unpaid fees, they bought the site. It's rumoured the cranes have been taken down to be moved to the new Anfield ground. I've been told that Anfield is the top priority, so I'd expect the Baltic area to be in limbo for a while.
Apr 11 2007
Neil Hodgson
ADMINISTRATORS have been called in at a £50m development site on Liverpool’s Baltic Triangle which has been at a standstill since last year.
London-based developer Windsor Group has been in dispute with builder Laing O’Rourke who last week began dismantling cranes on the housing development site.
A Windsor Group spokesman said their interests in the Baltic Triangle area are at an “advanced stage of being restructured and to this end we are bringing in additional partners.”
He admitted: “In the interim, by agreement with our bankers, an administrator has been appointed."
The company said it is still committed to its Baltic Triangle plans.
Laing O’Rourke declined to comment.
Source: icLiverpool (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/breakingnews/tm_headline=administrators-called-in-to--50m-building-site%26method=full%26objectid=18890629%26siteid=50 061-name_page.html)
:shock::rolleyes::PDT_Xtremez_42: That's bad but at least things are moving forward. Such an important area of land that.
snappel
04-11-2007, 08:20 PM
Must've been fun - two of the cranes have their bases submerged in the lake that has formed in the basement of the development...
There's a short term idea, fill it in with water and open it as Liverpool's newest public baths! We had one years ago on the sea front. :unibrow:
Cover it all over, and then we've got artifical underwater caving :unibrow:
snappel
04-11-2007, 09:10 PM
And naturally here are a couple of exclusive photos...
http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/l1a/Dsc_0127.jpg
http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/l1a/Dsc_0126.jpg
Cheers Snappel, I never realised it was this far advanced behind the hoardings. I wonder what'll happen with this now - if they'll rip it all down and start again
snappel
04-11-2007, 10:11 PM
Hopefully the problems will be resolved and they'll continue. Would be a shame to rip it all out so early...
scouserdave
04-11-2007, 10:38 PM
And naturally here are a couple of exclusive photos...
LOL! Behave yerself smug one:)
Here's a few eggslusives from November 2006:)
http://www.promspics.co.uk/lol/image0001.jpg
http://www.promspics.co.uk/lol/image002.jpg
http://www.promspics.co.uk/lol/image003.jpg
snappel
04-11-2007, 11:03 PM
I'll get my coat... :disgust:
Howie
04-12-2007, 09:35 AM
£1bn Baltic Triangle project collapses
Apr 12 2007
by Larry Neild, Liverpool Daily Post
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/apr2007/8/5/E47C65E2-E47B-3B0A-69B36359CCB01DEB.jpg
A BILLION-POUND project to transform Liverpool’s Baltic Triangle appeared to be in tatters last night, after contractors finally abandoned a development site.
An administrator has been appointed to determine the future of a partially-completed tower block following a lengthy legal wrangle between developers, the Windsor Group and contractors Laing O’Rourke. The site, spanning The Strand and Hurst Street, was destined to be the first part of the development, a £50m high-rise apartment scheme, boasting one of the finest addresses in the city.
The three blocks of apartments would have seen the start of an influx of 4,000 people to live in the Baltic Triangle.
Last night, three skyscraper cranes and building equipment had been removed, giving the site a “ghost town” appearance, with no signs of activity.
Story continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=%2Dpound%2D1bn-baltic-triangle-project-collapses%26method=full%26objectid=18891794%26site id=50061-name_page.html#story_continue)...
Howie
04-12-2007, 09:44 AM
Site must not be left an eyesore
Apr 12 2007
by Alan Weston, Liverpool Daily Post
AT SUCH an important juncture in the city’s history, the last thing it needs is another flagship development site being left as an eyesore.
Yet that is precisely the danger facing Liverpool’s Baltic Triangle, after contractors finally abandoned a £1bn project to transform the site.
An administrator has now been appointed to determine the future of a partially completed tower block following a lengthy legal wrangle between developers, the Windsor Group and contractors Laing O’Rourke.
The site, spanning waterfront The Strand and Hurst Street, was destined to be a £50m high-rise apartment block
It now has a “ghost town” appearance, with skyscraper cranes and building equipment removed from the site and no signs of activity. Local councillor Steve Munby is correct to point out that the area cannot be allowed to remain an eyesore in such a prominent location.
Story continues (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=site-must-not-be-left-an-eyesore%26method=full%26objectid=18891747%26siteid =50061-name_page.html#story_continue)...
Hopefully a new developer and/or contractor will be found who can continue with the project. This site cannot be left untouched for too long and I have a funny feeling it won't be.
:034:
ONE of the co-founders of the development firm set up to transform Liverpool’s Baltic Triangle is set to assure city council leader Warren Bradley that the regeneration will go-ahead. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpooldailypost/news/regionalnews/tm_headline=baltic-triangle-project-%2D%2D8216%2Dto-go-ahead-despite-setback%2D%2D8217%2D%26method=full%26objectid=1889 7322%26siteid=50061-name_page.html)
marky
04-21-2007, 09:36 AM
Isn't there a certain length of time, after which the site gets condemned?
GOOD NEWS:
New investors and developers are keen to snap up the site and restart work on the luxury housing development.
Matt Dunham, of accountants BDO Stoy Hayward, who was appointed joint administrator for the site said: “There has already been considerable interest from a range of developers.
“We are not marketing it at the moment because we have to clear some legal points, but hopefully we will get that cleared up in the near future to get the site sold or moved on.”
He said the inquiries he has already received include approaches from “major developers.”
“It is a great site and just right for 2008. An opportunity like that doesn’t come along every day.”
source (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=baltic-bonanza%26method=full%26objectid=18937980%26siteid =50061-name_page.html)....
snappel
06-10-2007, 06:57 AM
Despite a lack of cranes, I revisited the site to climb the service core. Tricky, but do-able...
http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/l1b/DSC_0026.jpg
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scouserdave
06-17-2007, 12:13 PM
Weather wasn't good for piccie taking, I'm afraid....well that's my excuse!:unibrow:
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/baltic001.jpg
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Ernie
06-17-2007, 12:58 PM
Sad to see Corn Hill, the way it is. I signed on a good few ships there at the
shipping office.
Ernie.
PLANS to build dozens more apartments in Liverpool’s Baltic Triangle are set for approval. Developer Ergo wants to demolish industrial buildings off Jamaica Street.
THE emergence of the Baltic Tri- angle as a city centre fringe development zone has been given a major boost with the go-ahead for a series of multi-million pound projects.
The triangular-shaped area – stretching from Parliament Street to Wapping is a collection of Georgian and Victorian brick warehouses and modern industrial units.
But it has become a prime development area because of its closeness to Grosvenor’s adjoining £1bn Paradise Street development area.
The city council’s planning committee has approved a project that creates a homes scheme designed to look like a traditional warehouse.
Local developers Ergo plan to refurbish an old stable block, once used as a livery for dockland shire horses, and build 72 self-contained apartments once a series of modern warehouses are cleared. There will also be five commercial units and a basement car park for 46 vehicles. It is hoped work on the site – bounded by Brick Street, Jamaica Street, Jordan Street and Flint Street – will start next year.
The plan was devised by Duke Street-based architects A2, whose principal, Dylan Jones, said: “We have devised a scheme that is in keeping with the area. Instead of one big block, we decided to break it up into smaller units. Ergo is a local developer and we are delighted to be given the chance to work on such an impressive project.”
Ergo has also won permission for a mixed-use development on a site in Jamaica Street. The scheme will see the development of 127 self-contained live/work units, as well as a number of commercial units.
A second developer, LAG Prichard, has been given permission to build a 151-bedroom hotel on another Baltic Triangle site in Shaws Alley.
The site, known as Kings Dock Mill, falls within the World Heritage buffer zone, and is part of a so-called zone of opportunity where development is being encouraged.
larryneild
marky
11-23-2007, 01:42 AM
Brick Street August 2007. Toxteth.net has a good selection of pics from the area...
http://www.toxteth.net/maps/liverpool/lpool1a.htm
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2217/2056204354_88b059a2cf.jpg
Diane
11-24-2007, 11:00 AM
Is the Baltic Fleet pub still there? I always remember it stood on its own?
It is, still standing proud :PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Diane
11-24-2007, 11:15 AM
nice one Kev ! i used to go out with a lad from Liverpool and i used to drive past that pub and i always thought it was such an unusual building ! im so glad theyve not knocked it down - YET !
I remember a pub further down from there, on the way out of liverpool, it stood on its own also, the name had something to do with the sea? I cant remember what it was called but we used to go in there a lot !
Waterways
11-24-2007, 10:19 PM
Is the Baltic Fleet pub still there? I always remember it stood on its own?
When the docks were in full swing it didn't - surrounded by buildings. It always looks forlorn to me.
kenotoole123@msn.com
11-25-2007, 02:16 PM
I was in this Pub last Summer and it was quite busy...They sold a selection of their own 'Home Brewed' beers...Yummy:PDT_Aliboronz_24:...http://www.quaffale.org.uk/php/brewery/714
woody
11-25-2007, 08:57 PM
I was in this Pub last Summer and it was quite busy...They sold a selection of their own 'Home Brewed' beers...Yummy:PDT_Aliboronz_24:...http://www.quaffale.org.uk/php/brewery/714
A number of SSC guys, always seem to end up at the Baltic, it was in need of extra custom to keep it a-float. When ACC open next January , its trade should increase, long may it continue to pull:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
DaisyChains
02-09-2008, 07:45 PM
Despite a lack of cranes, I revisited the site to climb the service core. Tricky, but do-able...
http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/l1b/DSC_0026.jpg
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does anyone have any updates on this story at all?
A KEY gateway site over-looking Liverpool’s historic waterfront is likely to be left semi-derelict for years, after a marketing campaign to 800 developers failed to find a buyer.
Administrators were brought in to determine the future of the Baltic Triangle site last spring, after a legal wrangle between developers, Windsor Developments (Liverpool) and contractors Laing O’Rourke.
The site, spanning The Strand and Hurst Street, was destined to be the first part of the development, a £50m high-rise apartment scheme, boast-ing one of the finest addresses in the city. The three apart-ments blocks would have seen the start of an influx of 4,000 people to live in the Baltic Triangle, and would have been sited on the former premises of chandlers Joseph Lamb and Sons, owned by veteran politician Sir Trevor Jones.
Since March last year, BDO Stoy Haywood, which has offices in Manchester and London, has been overseeing the administration of Windsor Developments Liverpool.
According to documents lodged at Companies House, the company collapsed owing £25.5m to Barclays, while Laing are seeking to recover £19.8m, and more than £1m is owed to other service providers.
A letter to creditors states the site was placed on the market by property agents Savills in August last year.
“This campaign targeted 800 dev-elopers, from which a number of for-mal offers were received,” states the letter. It adds: “These offers were given careful consideration by my agents, but it was felt that no accept-able offers were made. We are now considering alternative strategies to maximise the return to creditors.”
BDO have been given permission by Barclays to extend the administr-ation until September, and last night the company said it was still looking at the options for the site.
It is understood there has been a dispute over the value of the site, and the book value of £48m placed on it by Windsor director Stephen Ives.
He said that figure was based on valuations received by Savills and another property consultancy.
Mr Ives said: “That was a long time back at the peak of the market, since then everything else I have heard is speculation. I imagine it is very diffi-cult for anyone to fund it in the curr-ent market. This is one of the first ones (projects) to be hit by the credit crunch.”
It is believed the site is only worth around £10m today, although it is un-derstood that during marketing, a £15m offer was turned down.
A source said the use for the site had to be reconsidered, given the economic conditions. “Even if some-one bought it tomorrow, they would wait two or three years to do any-thing with it, given today’s market,” the source added.
It is possible the building’s foot-print would have to be used in any plan, given the money already spent on steel and concrete at the site.
Riverside Labour Cllr Steve Munby, who represents the area including the Baltic Triangle, said: “I am not surprised they have not found a pur-chaser for the site. This case perfectly captures the hysteria which gripped Liverpool at the peak of the property boom. I hate to say ‘I told you so’.
“This is still a key site that is pot-entially worth a lot. I think the city needs to bring forward clear ideas on what we would like to see here.”
Liverpool council leader Warren Bradley expressed concern, adding: “Liverpool is bucking the trend, but there is a slowdown and it is biting in the residential development market.
“Speaking to developers, they are sitting on their hands until they can see an upturn in the market.”
Windsor Developments Liverpool, run by three partners, burst onto the Liverpool scene in 2005 with ambi-tious plans to create a billion-pound urban village on the fringe of Gros-venor’s Liverpool 1 project. They bought ship chandlers Joseph Lamb and Sons and demolished the premis-es to make way for an apartment block fronting Strand Street.
davidbartlett
jimmy
07-24-2008, 12:31 PM
Bid to sell off Baltic Triangle site fails
Jul 24 2008 David Bartlett
A KEY gateway site overlooking Liverpool’s historic waterfront is likely to be left semi-derelict for years, after a marketing campaign to 800 developers failed to find a buyer.
Administrators were brought in to determine the future of the Baltic Triangle site last spring, after a legal wrangle between developers, Windsor Developments (Liverpool) and contractors Laing O’Rourke.
The site, spanning The Strand and Hurst Street, was destined to be the first part of the development, a £50m high- rise apartment scheme, boasting one of the finest addresses in the city. The three apartments blocks would have seen the start of an influx of 4,000 people to live in the Baltic Triangle, and would have been sited on the former premises of chandlers Joseph Lamb and Sons, owned by veteran politician Sir Trevor Jones.
Since March last year, BDO Stoy Haywood, which has offices in Manchester and London, has been overseeing the administration of Windsor Developments Liverpool.
According to documents lodged at Companies House, the company collapsed owing £25.5m to Barclays, while Laing are seeking to recover £19.8m, and more than £1m is owed to other service providers.
A letter to creditors states the site was placed on the market by property agents Savills in August last year.
“This campaign targeted 800 developers, from which a number of formal offers were received,” states the letter. It adds: “These offers were given careful consideration by my agents, but it was felt that no acceptable offers were made. We are now considering alternative strategies to maximise the return to creditors.”
BDO have been given permission by Barclays to extend the administration until September, and last night the company said it was still looking at the options for the site.
It is understood there has been a dispute over the value of the site, and the book value of £48m which was placed on it by Windsor director Stephen Ives.
He said that figure was based on valuations received by Savills and another property consultancy.
Last night, Mr Ives said: “That was a long time back at the peak of the market, since then everything else I have heard is speculation. I imagine it is very difficult for anyone to fund it in the current market. This is one of the first ones (projects) to be hit by the credit crunch.”
It is believed the site is only worth around £10m today, in today’s market, although it is understood that during marketing, exercise a £15m offer was turned down.
A source familiar with the situation said the future use for the site had to be reconsidered, given the economic conditions. “Even if someone bought it tomorrow, they would wait two or three years to do anything with it, given today’s market,” the source added.
It is possible the building’s footprint would have to be used in any future plan, given the amount of money already spent on steel and concrete at the site.
Riverside Labour Cllr Steve Munby, who represents the area including the Baltic Triangle, said: “I am not surprised they have not found a purchaser for the site. This case perfectly captures the hysteria which gripped Liverpool at the peak of the property boom. I hate to say ‘I told you so’.
“This is still a key site that is potentially worth a lot. I think the city needs to bring forward clear ideas on what we would like to see here.”
Liverpool council leader Warren Bradley expressed concern, adding: “Liverpool is bucking the trend, but there is a slowdown and it is biting in the residential development market.
“Speaking to developers, they are sitting on their hands until such a time they can see an upturn in the market.”
Windsor Developments Liverpool, run by three partners, burst onto the Liverpool scene in 2005 with ambitious plans to create a billion-pound urban village on the fringe of Gros- venor’s Liverpool 1 project. They bought premises of ship chandlers Joseph Lamb and Sons.
The store, dating back to the 1700s, and demolished the premises to make way for an apartment block fronting Strand Street.
To celebrate the Manhattan feel of the blocks, they were even given New York names, Lexington, Liberty and Lincoln.
The first signs of trouble at the Wapping site emerged in June, 2006, when work on the scheme was halted by Laing.
Two months later, Laing removed almost 200 builders from the project, believed to have been over the timing of payments by the developer.
In April, 2007, three skyscraper cranes and site equipment, which had been idle for months, were removed from the site by Laing’s own crane company.
arrr_bob
07-24-2008, 01:05 PM
A KEY gateway site over-looking Liverpool’s historic waterfront is likely to be left semi-derelict for years, after a marketing campaign to 800 developers failed to find a buyer.
...
Riverside Labour Cllr Steve Munby, who represents the area including the Baltic Triangle, said: ... “This is still a key site that is pot-entially worth a lot. I think the city needs to bring forward clear ideas on what we would like to see here.”
As long as the Baltic keeps brewing beer they can build a morgue for all I care :PDT_Aliboronz_24:
LIVERPOOL?S second Hilton Hotel is to anchor a ?47m development in the Baltic Triangle, which yesterday secured significant funding.
The Kings Dock Mill development will also include 188 apartments and 3,600 sq ft of office space.
Lloyds TSB Corporate Markets confirmed yesterday it had agreed to provide ?22.5m to architect-developer LAG Prichard despite the ongoing economic uncertainty.
The scheme has already received ?5m mezzanine funding from Investec Private Bank.
Jonathon Prichard, of Liverpool-based LAG Prichard, believes this agreement shows the confidence and strength within the city.
?This development is another sign of Liverpool?s continued renaissance ? the fact that we secured funding for this scheme and can now start on site in the current market place shows its quality and the confidence we have in the city. We?ve worked closely with the city council and Liverpool Vision to ensure that the scheme is in keeping with the existing architecture in this area of Liverpool.?
The 151-bedroom hotel will be operated under the Hampton by Hilton brand, which is the firm?s vehicle to enter the economy hotel market. Hampton by Hilton Liverpool City is only the third to be commissioned in the UK, with others planned for Corby and Birmingham.
A Hilton spokesperson said: ?Liverpool is a key location as we seek to introduce the Hilton family of hotels in the UK.?
It is part of Hilton?s ambition to double the number of hotels it has in the UK to 150 within a decade. It will be run as a franchise by Somerston Hotels.
The hotel is due to open at the end of 2009. The 1.5-acre Kings Dock Mill development, which is on the former site of flag manufacturers Porter Bros, is due to be completed in January 2010. more >> (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2008/09/11/second-city-hilton-for-baltic-triangle-64375-21793504/2/)
FOUNDATION work has started at the ?47m Kings Dock Mill development in the Baltic Triangle.
The project includes a 150-room Hampton by Hilton luxury hotel and 190 one and two-bedroomed flats.
Work began after the scheme recently received ?22.5m of funding from financial backer Lloyds TSB Corporate Markets.
Liverpool architect LAG Pritchard is behind the development at the back of the Baltic Fleet pub.
Director Jonathon Pritchard said: ?This scheme will transform an old warehousing site into a vibrant mixed use development, anchored by a new hotel.?
He praised the input of regeneration agency Liverpool Vision: ?It is a great example of the public and private sector working together to ensure the delivery of quality schemes.?
Vision development manager Barry McGorry said: ?This hotel development will enhance Liverpool?s status as an international visitor destination.?
Source: LDP
skgogosfan
11-12-2008, 10:37 PM
That *is* good news. Hopefully another notch in expanding the city centre and bringing some life back into Park Lane.
Dave.
OVER-LOOKING Liverpool?s waterfront, it was destined to be one of the finest addresses in Liverpool.
The ?50m high-rise apartment scheme in the Baltic Triangle was also supposed to be the start of an influx of 4,000 people to live in the area and attract ?1bn of investment.
But, almost three years ago, the L1 scheme by Windsor Developments on the site spanning The Strand and Hurst Street, came to a halt.
At the time, director Roger Darwin said his company was finalising a funding package with his bankers, but that work would resume.
The scheme had been dreamt up in 2005 at the height of the property boom, with prices ranging from ?248,950 for a study bedroom apartment to ?572,950 for a two-bedroom duplex.
In March, 2007, administrators BDO Stoy Haywood were called in by Barclays, which had issued a ?25.5m mortgage for the site, following a dispute between Windsor and construction giant Laing O?Rourke.
BDO has marketed the site to more than 800 companies since then and been unable to find a buyer.
The administrators are now starting the formal process of liquidating the company to wind it up.
It can also be revealed that Barclays now has an interested party and new plans are being talked of.
Officials from the bank are meeting Paul Rice, chief executive of Liverpool Commercial District Partnership, today.
?We are proposing to set up a working party, this is just the initial meeting to see what will happen with the site,? said a spokesman for Barclays.
He said he did not want to pre- empt the meeting by discussing what use the site might now be given over to.
Mr Rice said: ?They have asked me for a bit of advice, as they have got somebody interested in the site.
?The reason they have come to me is to find out how to engage other partners around the area to make it work.?
He was hopeful a solution could be found for the key landmark site.
Jim Gill, chief executive of regeneration agency Liverpool Vision, said: ?It?s an important site. If you drive along The Strand, you can see it as something that?s not finished and therefore it is a problem in that sense.
?But, if you go to any UK city, you would see schemes that have stopped.
?In the current market, I am not sure there is a residential solution in the short term.
?It is important, though, that there?s a medium-term solution for it.
?I don?t think one should get excited and think it can be solved quickly.?
According to documents lodged at Companies House, Laing is seeking to recover ?19.8m, and directors Roger Darwin, Stephen Ives and Anthony Robson claim to be owed ?3.5m.
The majority of the money spent with Laing went into steel and cement for the high-rise apartment scheme.
Regeneration experts believe that, given the tonnes of concrete and steel already there, the likelihood is that any new building would have to be on the same footprint.
Valuing the site could also prove problematic, as it is understood there had been a book value of ?48m placed on it. Previously, the site was thought to be worth around only ?10m, although an offer for ?15m is believed to been rejected.
Last night, Riverside Labour Cllr Steve Munby, who represents the area, including the Baltic Triangle, said: ?I am glad we are finally seeing some action on this site, as it is of such importance to the city.
?It is an eyesore and looks like a symbol of a city in decay.
?I can see no realistic prospect of the private sector delivering in the short term on this site, and I think there are other priorities for public spending on regeneration schemes and housing.
?In my view, the priority should be to remove the symbols of dereliction and manage the site for now as public open space.
?I think it could be done relatively cheaply, and would be an attractive link between the Echo Arena, the waterfront, Liverpool One and the rest of the city.
?That might not make a quick buck for Barclays, but we are not in the business of being a benefit line for bankers.?
Simon Holt, owner of the Baltic Fleet pub, which sits adjacent to the site, said he was supportive of Cllr Munby?s park idea.
?Our biggest gripe is about the hoardings around the site because they obscure the view of our pub.?
The Grade II-listed 19th century pub is the only listed building remaining on The Strand.
?I would support the park idea, no question. Or any business that would bring people in, actually anything that is done quickly, quite frankly.?
The Windsor Group burst on to the Liverpool scene in 2005 with ambitious plans to create a billion-pound urban village on the fringe of Grosvenor?s Liverpool One project. They bought, for their flagship scheme, the premises of ship chandlers Joseph Lamb and Sons, owned by veteran politician Sir Trevor Jones.
The store, dating back to the 1700s, was demolished to pave the way for an apartment block fronting Strand Street.
To celebrate the Manhattan feel of the blocks, they were even given New York names.
LDP
Further Discussion:
Baltic Triangle and Queens Dock Areas (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/city-centre-outer-zones/1062-baltic-triangle-queens-dock-areas.html)
The Baltic Triangle - what's Baltic about it? (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/streets-areas/10890-baltic-triangle-whats-baltic-about.html)
Sell off Baltic Triangle site fails (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/city-centre-inner-zones/10121-sell-off-baltic-triangle-site-fails.html)
BARCLAYS bank is now set to meet key figures in Liverpool to decide how to develop an abandoned key gateway site overlooking the city?s waterfront. Read (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2009/04/08/bank-s-baltic-talks-92534-23337662/)
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